Swinger Education Matters: Inside Forbidden Fruit’s Workshops

0:07 Alright y'all, before we dive in, a quick heads up. This show is raw, real, and definitely not rated pg. We're talking about adult themes, sexual content, and the kind of stuff you probably don't want blasting through your speakers at work or around your kits. So grab some headphones, pour your drink of choice and get comfy. Oh, and just so we're clear, we are not licensed therapists, counselors, or sex. Couches. Sex coaches. Sex coaches, not sex couches or just a couple of people sharing our lives, experiences and sexy adventures. An ethical non-monogamy.

0:47 So with that, pull up a chair and enjoy the show. And. Hello and welcome to another episode of Beyond Monogamy. I'm Adam. And I'm Pris. Today we are not in the studio. We are actually live on location at one of our favorite spots. Forbidden Fruit, hanging out with some amazing people, incredible energy, and honestly, probably the best classroom you'll ever find for learning about pleasure, communication, and connection. Yeah. And if you've ever been curious about the lifestyle education or just becoming more confident in yourself and your sexuality, this is the whole experience. And today's episode is extra special because we're talking about education in the lifestyle and why learning matters way more than people think.

1:32 Exactly. People think swinging is just show up and figure it out. Mm-hmm. And honestly, the people who have the best experiences are the one who learn. Uh, they communicate, they grow. And that's where workshops like these ones come into play. Yep. And speaking of that, we're also excited because we're gonna be hosting our very own Swinger 1 0 1 workshop in March. Wait, is it March? Did we reschedule? It is in March. Okay. March 20. March. I wasn't paying attention. I know that there was, I know there was some rescheduling going on, so I was like, hold on. Did we, did we, did we get the 29th? March 9th. March 29th. And we're very excited about that. Insanely excited, for sure. Insane. Sure, excited. Now before we dive in, quick reminder, if you love what we do, please like, subscribe, share this episode with someone who's curious about ethical non-monogamy, and leave us a review, because one, that's awesome.

2:22 We love that. And two, it helps us, uh, you know, get discovered in this space. Grow. We, we, we do grow. Yes, we grow a little bit. Anyhow, today we are sitting down with someone who has helped educate and guide so many people stepping into this new experience here. He runs and he leads a lot of the workshops here at Forbid and Fruit, including things like Fellatio 1 0 1, BDSM 1 0 1, and other education focused classes that help people learn in safe, fun, and judgment-free environments. He's basically the guy helping turn curiosity into confidence. There you go. So please welcome Johnny. Yes. Hi everyone. Thank you for joining us on the show. We appreciate it.

3:02 Plus, we always look forward to, uh, you know, getting to hang out in a room full of dildos. I feel like I've been in a room full of dildos. I feel like I, I feel like you're in a room. I feel like you work in a room full of dildos. I pretty much work with a guy who's probably a dil. He's a walk and talk dildo. Good for you. It is what it is, right? That is literally my when I go to the corner store, they're like, Hey, how's it going? And I say another day, another dildo, another day of working with dildos all day long. It is what? It's, Hey, guess what? There's a, that's actually something that a lot of our listeners can relate to. Mm-hmm. I'm sure a lot of them work with dildos. Yep. Now I've gotten to explore the history of forbidden fruit. I've gotten to explore the Lynn's history with forbidden fruit.

3:45 Mm-hmm. But Johnny, I gotta know. So how did you get involved with Forbidden Fruit? Short and quick. I've known Lynn for multiple years. We used to do shows together and at one show, which is, uh, extravaga acid. Okay. Uh, which was the fetish ball here many, many moons ago. We're on the last day. We're all tired. We're closing out. I look at Lynn and I'm like, are you hiring? I mean, that's easy enough, right? It's easy enough. I, I learned, just looked over it like it's me, Lynn, and Jerry in the box office counting out money. And I just looked over at her and like, are you hiring? By All means, means?

4:26 And she was like, yeah. Wow. And the rest was history. And the rest was history. I mean, how long have you been with, how long have you been with Forbidden Fruit? Since 2010. Wow. 15. 15, yeah. 16 years. It was 15. It was 15 years in December. That Troga used to be in November. Okay. And so I started on December 10th, 2010. All right. Wow. I mean, that's cool. What's Extravaga? What is it, did you say? It was the Austin Fetish Ball. And it's no longer around. It's no longer around. When was the last one? Long story tell you later, but someone else took it over.

5:07 Okay. And it no longer exists. Damn. Looking forward to hearing that story. We can't publish, I can't tell You'all that story. Got it. Now, you're, uh, one of the first things that we were introduced when we were introduced to you was that you are the master of ceremonies. You are the person who handles the workshops. Yeah. Uh, here. And so what made you wanna focus on education? What made you get involved in these workshops? I'm gonna tell you it was Charla Hathaway, Charla Hathaway. She was the, she's the founder of the Body Joy School here in Austin. Okay. She is currently on her world tour. She will be in town, uh.

5:51 Early April, the second third. So Charlotte taught the blowjob class. Okay. Okay. So Charlotte taught the class before I did. Okay. And Charlotte turned to me and I was a facilitator. I was the one that like, you know, did all the background stuff. Charlotte turned to me and said, Johnny as a penis haver. And a penis lover, what do you think? I mean, and afterwards she was like, Johnny, you're here. You know, all of this. Why do I have to keep, keep coming over here? And that made me think. Good boy. And so literally Charlotte Hathaway and the woman that got me into teaching, and I learned more and more because I was curious.

6:39 I mean, I, I've always been curious about everything in the world, but but I was like, yeah, why does Charlotte have to come down here? Yeah, I can talk about blow jobs, blow jobs all day. I could talk about cuddling is not my expertise, but I guess I could take that class. I dunno, I think we could double team that class. We could double team that class. Please do. But yeah, so, uh, yeah, that's how I got into education is another educator brought me in because she is like, you already know this. Why are you, yeah. Not, not saying wasting my time. Yeah, but why do I have to come down to why? To teach a class where you're literally standing.

7:22 Right? I, yeah. That's a really smart, I've never taken a class on like fellatio or No, she just has it naturally. Cu is it cunnilingis Lingus, CUNN. cunnilingis. Not cunnilingis. No, no, no. It can be if wanted be Thought so. I thought itus. Okay. Yeah. I've never taken a class. I could definitely give a class on that though. I, I feel like a lot of people could benefit from that. I mean, be like, okay guys, give it a shot. I'm gonna be right here. Everybody take your turns line forms to the left short story we used to have. So Fellatio 1 0 1.

8:03 That class sells out every single time I go and do in-home parties to teach that class Lingus. Three people. Really? Because now, because guys don't care about that. Come on man. I'm very, I'm very curious. Guys, just want to get nut, I know something else, but I'm very curious. When you have your fellatio class, is it more men to women? It's more women. It's a lot of so if it's at home, it's always a bachelorette party. Okay. If it's in store, I'm gonna say it's actually about a 60 40. Okay. And so you, and so it's mostly women, but then there's also guys that come right, like partners, right?

8:47 That will come with the cuntalingus. It was like one couple and one guy. Then we combined them and we created cunnilingis. Oh, that's so sweet. Which is combined fellatio and Kaus. Yeah. And so if a guy think that he's gonna get something out of it, then yeah. And uh, the cunnilingis class, I would say is pretty 50 50. Okay. It so more guys will come to a class that also includes blow jobs. Yeah. Uh, and I'm just gonna give it away now. My cunnilingis class is about 70% cunnilingis.

9:33 Okay. 70% cunnilingis, period. I do, I, I talk about fellatio, but no, that class is. Okay. More education toward pleasuring those who have vaginas. Yeah. Because otherwise I feel like that needs to be taught. I, I think that there's a woman, there's, well, yeah. I mean, even women as well as men. Yeah. Everybody likes to think that, oh, I'm, I got this. I could do this. No problem. And a lot of times they don't know what they're doing. So as, as a bisexual, I totally thought that, I thought, yeah. She thought that I can do exactly what a woman wants. Like, I'm a woman, I know what I, I know what I want and I know what they want.

10:16 No, but I ask. Yeah. So I ask the woman, I'm like, okay, so how do you like it? Like, what is your preferred? Because a lot of people, a lot of women don't ask their partners. Like, they just let their partners do what they want. And I always like. Even now I tell Adam and I'm like I like it this way than she's always that way. And we've been together for 15 years. I know I got changing moods, so, so I gotta be like a DJ and, you know, do that. See, that's one of those things about working with Moderna. Okay. So I love that sentence alone. I don't wanna say, I don't wanna say that penises are easy, but easy to command. Yeah.

10:57 Yeah. No, you're right. Working with vaginas, you, yeah. You have to know your partner. And some people like more in, uh, more G-spot interior. Yes. Some people like, uh, yes. More clitoral external. Yeah. They're you guys can't see it on camera, but we have like toys that will, but. If they like that cervical. Yeah. They like that deep penetration. Yeah. You have to know what your partner is looking for. Yeah. Yeah. And so, yeah, working, uh, working with vagina, it's harder. No pun there. I mean, it's, you have to put, I mean, there's not a whole lot to guys.

11:40 I mean, if, if you wanna get us off, like just, just put it in your mouth. Yeah. Like, you know, I mean, I don't need a style. No, you don't have to do all this magic stuff. This is literally the quote that, and within the sex industry, the sex toy, whatnot insert someplace warm, preferably moist, thrust, repeat. Simple enough. Did you get that? That's right. And you know, the similar instructions when you brush your teeth. Yeah. Yeah. So if you brush your teeth before you, you're probably halfway there. That's right. Very true. Yes. But I do have a three hour CIO 1 0 1 workshop. Wow. So I have more teach, but that's where you start.

12:20 I mean, I think people, I just in general, people, is it still cunnilingis, like you still doing the oralus one, or do you have it divided now to No, I, I have cunnilingis, which includes conus. Mm-hmm. And then I just have fio. I gotcha, I gotcha. Okay. I'm gonna go to the Licious class. Licious 1 0 1. Yeah, that's right. I like that. I mean, I think people just in general, I feel education. Yeah. Smart. We all need to learn something. And if you wanna be good in bed and good with your partner, I have something that, that I've noticed as swingers because you've been very, I don't know, you're open about what you like and what you don't like When you're with other people and you're like, look, mm-hmm.

13:02 You're gonna want do this. You don't wanna do that. When it comes to giving instruction, have you noticed that people take up on it or do they still do what they're gonna do and they like, don't really listen? I think you've mentioned this before. They still do what they're gonna do and then I just have to tell them like, I have to repeatedly like. Smack 'em in the head and be like, not like that. I mean, it's like, no. I literally tell people not to smack them in the head. My bad. I haven't taken classes. Well, we haven't taken course yet, so we'll be taking it. You see education guys in the, in, in, in my oral assist class, I literally tell people, okay, you can like gently redirect them.

13:44 Oh, but don't hit your partner. Oh, don't hit your partner with a rolled up newspaper. Sorry, honey. Oh, hey, I following Instruc and go. It works. It works. Doesn't make me, I mean, do I, I will push you away and I will tell you not like that. Not like that. But if I have to tell you more than three times, I'll say, what's up? We're done. Well, so, you know, I've, I've never taken a class. I am relatively good at. At at Eaton, the box. But the primary reason is because, and this is something that we've talked about on past shows, is that I never thought I was a very attractive person. And so I didn't do all that well with the ladies. And so because of that I was like, I gotta be good at something like to keep these ladies in.

14:27 Now, I was not always good. I remember a very specific time, I don't think I ever told you about this. Uh oh. But there was, this was when I was a swinging young bachelor. I had my own place. There was this girl I used to talk to on the online, uh, and uh, and she invited herself over to my house one day and I was like, okay this is gonna, I, I made her dinner and she came in. She ended up not eating the dinner, but we had like this make out session on the couch, and I ended up going down on her. I did not know what the fuck I was doing. And I remember she stopped me at one point and she was like, you just bit my clit. That did not feel good. And I was like, oh, is that what that was? So like, and she wouldn't, she wouldn't shut up about it.

15:10 Oh my God. I was like, get over it. No, I'm just kidding. No, but she, she did, she, she kind of ruined the moment and I was like, oh man, I'm so sorry. And she's like, yeah, that, that didn't feel good at all. And it put a stipend on it. And so after that I was just like, was that the first time? That was, uh, the third time I think. Wow. So the other two didn't care. They were like GNA on it, The other two were just like, let's get to the sex. Let's get to the sex. So it was, let's go from, but it was that, it was that reaction. Yeah. That had me stop and go, I need to figure this out. 'cause whatever it is that I'm doing, apparently is not working. Yeah. Uh, so I did, I, I read, I did everything that I could to kind of learn. Okay. I watched a lot of Real sex.

15:50 You remember that show on HBO? Oh God. Real sex. Yeah. I loved it. Yeah. I watched a lot of that show and I learned a lot from that show. It's a shame it's not on, because I think a lot of people could benefit from Yeah. To an extent. Well, this was back how long ago This was? This was back in high school. Do y'all remember Su Jo Hansen? I do actually. I remember that name. She was, this was like Canadian PBS after Dark. Okay. And SU Johansen, she would, she had dolls and she would, she would answer people's sex questions and like I, and it was like Saturday night at like 11:00 PM and.

16:32 My friends and I, again, in high school, we would all like, make fake name go to Sam's House, Uhhuh, and we'd be like watching Su Jo Hansen. And she like describes and like answers questions and like how to do this, how to do that. And she was literally like the sex grandma think she was like 80 years old when she was, uh, when she was doing that show. Wow. Yeah. Like Dr. Ruth man. Yeah. I used, used to watch a lot of, and she used to have that in that show, you know, it was just like, yeah. And again, this was in high school, so this was back in the nineties. Yeah. But yeah, SU Jo Hansen. And that was the thing is like, she's the one that actually she taught us a she taught us a lot of things.

17:17 'cause a lot of us were. Exploring our sexuality mm-hmm. In the late nineties before the internet. Yeah, yeah. I couldn't just Google something. It's like, how's that feel? We were doing wrong. Belly button. Belly button. Stop ringing my doorbell. But yeah, you have to hit it once before or, uh, have someone tell you Yeah. That they gotta call you out. Yeah. Unfortunately. Yeah. You gotta learn from your mistakes. Take that and move on. You can't. Yeah, you can't. So what I've noticed is whenever you tell, sometimes when you've told guys what you want. Some guys get upset if you correct them. Yeah. Like, I know what I'm doing and they, it's like a pride thing and it's like, no, I've never, I've never had that.

18:02 I've seen it before. I, I, if I, if I ignored it, if that's ever happened, but I have never been told, oh, I know what I'm doing. I, oh wait, I get messages of, oh, I can do this. I saw that video. I can do that way better. And I'm like, yeah, no, you can't. You can't. I'm probably gonna have to smack you a few times in the head so that you can get it. I mean, that's, I it's a really good thing that y'all offer classes like that because education, like a little guidance really goes a long way. And if somebody, if your partner's not gonna tell you and somebody else is gonna tell you, I feel like take that and go with it and see what, what helps. Yeah. And it's not like something that you can YouTube the, you know, there's a lot of YouTube, this guy, no, there's a lot of stuff like that's instructional that you can't have on mainstream media like that.

18:49 I've actually tried YouTubing. How to give a proper blow job or how to give a proper hand job or just any of that. I've, I've tried And you there's nothing like that really. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Proper education. It's actually one of the things I kind of want to get into. Mm-hmm. We just aren't at that point right now. Yeah. Uh, with the store to just set up a whole, and this is our video education section. Yeah. Because Yeah. It what platform are, are we gonna host? Yeah. I mean, because, I'm sorry.

19:30 Especially with Texas right now. Yeah. Can't put it on. Porn hub or, yeah, yeah, yeah. So are we gonna, we're, yeah. So I would love to just record classes during the pandemic. Uh, we actually did do Zoom classes. Yeah. But I was, I was trying to think of what it was. That's cool. I was like, uh, it, it wasn't Instagram. What was it? What, yeah. Yeah. But no, it was, uh, we actually did Zoom classes during the pandemic, but that's also like, I have to send you a code. You have to log in. Yes. And this is just like, if you were coming into the store, this was a safe space.

20:14 Yeah. Yeah. And I also told people, if you want to have your cameras off, have your cameras off and everyone has to have their mic muted. Yeah. Yeah. Uh. That was the idea. And it worked during the pandemic. We tried to do it one time post pandemic. It was my class. I'm the facilitator, I am the general manager of the store. I'm here, I'm in charge, and I give I two minutes before I'm like, okay, you need to mute. You need to mute your microphone. Oh, yeah, you need to mute your mic.

20:55 I mean, don't get me wrong. I do think I'm a very handsome lamp, but you need to mute your mic. Yeah. Now, when you do your, your workshops here. How do you, like, do you have props that you use to let's say on the, uh, with the fellatio 1 0 1 or do you have rubber vaginas that you use for really Yes. So, uh, have, uh, for my classes this, uh, they're outside educators that we bring in, that we love to bring in. I love to bring in another educator to get that introduced to more people. But for my classes I always have a PowerPoint and I have demos.

21:40 Okay. One of my favorite demos I use is in the drawer back there. His name is Justin and he is my demo dick. Okay. He demo dick. For vaginas, I use Fleshlight not sponsored, uh, yet. Not yet. Uh, but we've known them for decades. Yeah. Uh, but yeah, so, I have a Fleshlight vagina, which actually does have a clit on it, and it has labial lips. Oh, wow, okay. So it's not just like a soft, smooth vagina, it's not just a hole. No. Yeah, it has labial lips like that one.

22:20 Yeah. Like, oh yeah, like that one over there. Yeah. We can't show you guys. I, yeah, again, not on camera. Not on camera. You can come into the store, but yeah. Yeah, it has a clip, it has a leg, lips, and so when I'm talking about, uh, kaus, I can actually point out. What goes here? What feels good here? Yes. Here's good for pressure. Here's good for just give it a flick. Yeah. Here's good for giving it for the different erogenous zones. Exactly. Yeah. And so same thing with Justin, here's good for a flick. Here's good for a lick, here's good for a suck pressure versus suction pressure, blah, blah, blah.

23:03 But also I have a PowerPoint Yeah. Going behind me. Yeah. That's explaining Yeah. Details. Okay. That is showing the details. The PowerPoint is all of my PowerPoints are funny. You gonna see, obviously in my PowerPoints, you're gonna see a lot of memes. And a lot of like drooling, Homer Simpson, like just weird things like that. So I have a drooling Adam, if you want it. He has a picture of him and he's just drooling. Do you really? Are you taking pictures of me when I sleep? This shit just got weird. Okay. So PowerPoint and, and, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that makes sense.

23:44 Yeah. ' cause and I'll literally tell people like, all right, so this is my tongue. What you can do with your tongue is you can curl it up. You can go pin. We're coming in, coming. If you're squeezing down, you're sucking in your cheeks. That's gonna add pressure, that's going to add extra stimulation. It's different when I have toys. Yeah. But yeah, no, I just, I'm not just like standing up there, do this, and you're done. Yeah. Because believe me, if it was that easy, this store will be a lot smaller. I mean, that's true. Well, so I find, here's what I find fascinating. How, how long are your workshops on average?

24:26 Time-wise, I can, uh, so the workshop in and of itself, I can usually get that done in about an hour and a half. Okay. Wow. So this is what I, I, I kind of was wondering about that. So you're, you're talking about a workshop that's an hour and a half. Say it's, it's Fellatio 1 0 1. You can stretch that out for an hour and a half. Yeah. Wow. We not working with the real guys. No, no, no. I know that. But so I, yeah, because that would be a too minute class. This is, this is where it's, it's kind of amazing to me because I didn't realize that there was so much that goes into that. Yeah. Just in my experience alone, I, I don't know, maybe I can, maybe I can benefit from having a woman, uh, that maybe I'm married to take a course like that Yeah.

25:07 To show me some new stuff because Yeah. I've had, I, pretty much, anytime I've gotten oral, it's pretty much been the same moves and they work just fine. Yeah. But I it's just kind of like, lemme put it in BBBB. Let me use my hand a little bit. I mean, I feel like I do a lot of different things every now yours is very seductive. Yeah. Uh, which I enjoy. Yeah. You know, you go very slow. You know how I'm Yeah. But I ask, so I'm like, do you like that? She'll ask sometimes. So one of the things I do teach in that class and in both oral sex classes, uh, Lingus and, sorry, oralus and fellatio 1 0 1, 1 of the things I do emphasize in those classes is there is a performative aspect.

25:54 Yes. It makes, your partner is looking down, they're looking at you. I'll go ahead and say it. In both those workshops, when I get to Deep Throat, if somebody is inexperienced and they're, you know, trying it for the first time, trying to, all right, let's, we're trying to get the whole thing. I, I teach how to give a deep throat now if it hits your gag reflex and you're like, yeah, pull back. Breathe in deep and throw in, oh my God, you're so big. Ha ha, hait. I've heard that before. I'm not feeling so good about myself. I keep it real. That's true. It's, I mean, for me, I love, it's seduction.

26:35 It's seduction. I love, um. I love like no hands. And then looking up at him. Yeah. Because I know that right there is gonna be like, oh my God, I wanna hear the, oh my God, you're, you look so hot. And oh my God, that looks so sexy. I wanna hear it as much as I'm sure he wants to see it. So what I, what I just found out though, after all these years, she only recently told me like maybe months ago, uh, but she said that one thing that she likes when she's going down on me is if I get her hair, like if I move the hair out of her face and I just kind of put it behind her and I hold, I hold it back like that, that she likes that. Like it makes her feel very sexy. Yeah. And this and that. And I've never ever, and that took me to a new, a new, whole new level because I never thought about doing stuff for you while I'm getting oral.

27:26 That makes a difference in and of itself because that, that makes the Yeah. Like, pleasure. Don't grab me even more that bob me. That's not what I'm here for. Been there, done that. I'm not in my twenties like this is, like I said, you know, like I said, there is the, there's the polite way of bam moving their hair. You can do a, yeah, or you can give my hair net beforehand and just kind of say, here to tie this back, my, where's my bonnet? Where's my bonnet? My pearls. Oh my gosh. Yeah. No, I would literally rather say, okay, when I put on my bonnet, you know, then, you know, she puts on her bonnet and I'm like.

28:08 We're not having sexy ladies. Do not do the OnlyFans while wearing your bonnet. It is not hot. It's not a sexy look. Not sexy, sexy look of those that we pass through. We're like, no. Oh no. Pass the bonnet. No. Yeah. You know, it's, it's, it's nuanced. But there's certain things, like even still to this day, depending on when, what position she's in and that sort of thing, if she's going down on me from the side angle mm-hmm. Um, something happens where her teeth will end up getting involved. I'm like, oh no, don't do that. You know? And so then she has to get in front of me. Like there's just different things. Uh, she, she tried the Deep Throat thing at one point. Uh, 'cause we watched a movie about, uh, I was just watching it Loveless about, yeah.

28:49 Linda Loveless. Linda Loveless, uh, called Loveless. Great movie actually. I mean, I'm great at that. But I've finally figured out what I need to do in order to be really good and continually deep throat. It's really position, yeah. It's position on where, how you're bent over, where he's at. Work, work. You have to work with your body mm-hmm. And your partner's body. Yeah. And this is also one of the things I emphasize in when I talk about fellatio, is if you ask him to move, he will move. He can position himself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you ask him to. I mean, if you're putting my dick in your mouth Yeah. I'll, you want move, I'm a whip.

29:30 That's all good. If a guy is getting a blow job and you ask him to move, he will move. Yeah. It's true. Short point period. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Are you kidding me? You could ask me to play checkers, I'd be like, whatever. Whatever you need me to do. Yeah. Just, yeah. You wanna mow the lawn? Sure. Just put it in your mouth. Alright. We're simple creatures. I think there's a song that says that. Just put it in your mouth. Yeah, yeah. Put it in your mouth. Yeah. Know. There you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's a, it's, yeah, it's just really smart. I mean, it is good to ask your partner, get classes, figure it all out, because you wanna be good at it. Yeah. Yeah. And of course, practice makes perfect. Yeah. That's the other thing I always say is, Hey, I wanna try this.

30:14 Your partner's not gonna say no. Yeah, exactly. If he's gonna say, or if they are gonna say No, get yourself a new partner, period. They're not, they're not gonna say, no, no. Trust me. Yeah. Hey I will watch this OnlyFans video. Mm-hmm. It no longer exists, but. Y'all are as about as old as I am. So we're all on the same page. Do y'all remember the grapefruit? Yes. So I tell people you can like, be as ladylike as you wanna be, or you can go full grapefruit. I mean, it's really up to you. Yeah. Your body's gonna respond however it wants to respond.

30:56 And you can make things happen, though. I have for Colonel Lingus, there's a very like, pointed tongue. Like Yeah. Like very, yeah. And then I also have a picture of a woman who is like, yeah, where's her mouth? She's in there. And I'm like, girl, okay. You're ha you're having a good time. Hopefully your partners also having a good time. Yeah. And so. Find out what your partner wants, find out what your partner likes and go from there. Yeah. That's so interesting. Yeah. Now, as far as your work workshops are concerned have you I, I'm, I'm so curious. I can't wait to really scope these things out, but Sure. Have you, since you've been doing these, have you had like any drama op have there been, I I'm sure there's all different kinds of characters that come in, and I'm pretty sure that not every one of these things have gone perfectly to plan.

31:47 Uh, you have different personalities that come in. Mm-hmm. And, and maybe some people don't wanna be there, but they're being dragged along to learn something new. Or maybe you got some really horny ass people in that, that are just like, we cannot wait to try this. Can we try it right now? You know, stuff like that. You gotta have the stories, man. Spill the tea. Spill the tea. Spill the tea. Two of my favorite stories. One, uh, okay. My first story, this was at an in-home workshop. Mm-hmm. They're paying me hundreds of dollars to come to their house. It's a bachelorette party. We're doing fellatio 1 0 1, blah, blah, blah. They decided that they wanted to practice during the workshop.

32:31 Okay. And so they bought cucumbers. I don't know what whole foods they went to, but they Oh my god. The biggest fucking cucumbers I had ever seen. And I was like, if dude's like, probably like 12 of, I was like, if all 12 of y'all, y'all men are like this. Okay. What NFL team are you on? What did their moms feed them? So anyways, I was like, okay I understand that's what you wanna do. Let's trim 'em down. Yeah, let's get something. And so, uh, when the kitchen, they let's trim 'em down. They chopped them up. They did. They they made it more average.

33:12 They brought them down to what would be I would consider to be average. Okay. Average being about like five to seven inches. Yeah. And about only about an inch and a half wide. So they redid them. Alright. One girl did not, that girl was at least one sheet to the wind when I walked. She was definitely three sheets to the wind by the time I left. And so, uh. I get to the point about Deep Throat again. Mm-hmm. And she was like, oh, I already know you do that. Oh my God. Again, already drunk, gagged herself so bad that she ran to the bathroom to throw up.

33:56 Oh my gosh. And I was like, oh my God. And so part of me is like, should we go check on her? And like one person got just like got up and like walked off and everybody else is just still sitting there like, okay, keep going, keep going as you were. And I'm like, okay. So apparently Stacey does this. Yeah. Like nobody moved. They did not everybody's got that friend. Everybody's got that friend. It's like, oh, this, it is crazy. A cucumber. And then in, I wish that in front of me, but here's a kicker is in section C, it says, with or without constraint.

34:38 With without consent. Oh shit. So even if they have consent, and that's why I always say you don't do BDSM with someone you don't know. Mm-hmm. This is not a tender date. This is not the first time we met because if y'all, we all consented, we having fun. Yay. They go to a PD, so y'all have fun on Saturday, they go to a PD on Monday with bruises and ligature marks. Mm-hmm. Your ass is going to jail. Wow. Wow, wow. With or without consent. That's good to know. Yeah. I mean, and that's why, that's why I mentioned it in my class. Yeah. Yeah, it is.

35:19 Yeah. That is important to know. Mm-hmm. For sure. Mm-hmm. If you thought y'all were having a good time until like two days later. They changed their mind. Wow. So never do BDSM with someone you do not know. Or you do not. Oh man. I'm so glad that you said that because I was like, man, I'm gonna start getting into different experiences and I wanna learn different things. Uh, but never thought to have that in the back of my head. So, I say that to say this literally, and this doesn't happen in two different classes. I've had people just like stand up and walk out really? Well, I would say in the class we're all adults here. Yeah. Yeah. And so yeah, they'll just stand up and walk out.

35:59 Wow. And that's, that has happened in two different classes. Holy shit. Wow. That's interesting. That is interesting. Why? It's like, why, like, is it they weren't ready to hear that they were just, or it was a, a reality that, that maybe they weren't ready for? I don't trust my partner that that's, that's how I read it mm-hmm. Is that I don't trust my partner. Yeah. Realize no point in finishing this up, I realize that what I'm about to do is gonna, could possibly get me arrested. Possibly. Now if you, if the restraints are edible. I wonder if that still holds up. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, it's worth it. I mean, if we tie 'em up with, get a bunch of Red vines Yeah.

36:40 A bunch of Twizzlers and, and Red Vines, and we tie you up and you can still eat your way out. It's okay. Don't destroy the evidence. That's, you can't prove, yeah. You can't prove that it was me. Yeah. But no, that it is, it is. I, in my workshop, I literally tell people what I'm about to teach you is illegal in the state of Texas. Okay. In the state of Texas, it is illegal. If somebody comes back and says that you kidnap me. And held me hostage. Yeah, Those is, the police have to act and your only proof is text messages that say no, they consented to it. Texas law says even wit consent.

37:24 That's crazy. That is crazy. That is nuts. Now, I, I know that your, your workshops you said that you guys actually like give snacks and stuff like that. Is that right? Did I hear that? I'm sorry. Anytime somebody mentions snacks, my ears perk up. It really doesn't matter what the setting is, so, so, I wanna know the setting. Yeah, I, I'd love to know about, so they come in, they've already taken care of a class fee, the fee, whatever, like you have your PowerPoint with all your memes. Mm-hmm. Right? Your flashlight. Your. What was his name? Justin. Justin. Justin. Is there demo dick? Yeah, demo dick. Demo dick. And you have snacks. Yeah, so we'll have, so I tailor my snacks depending on the class.

38:09 So if it's fellatio, it's a lot of phallic stuff like popsicles and bananas and things like that. She would your smartness. Oh, that's the way I would do it. So. I'm not doing cheese and crackers at that workshop. Damn. That workshop is going to be strawberries. Mm. Chocolate. If I'm going to do like a cracker or a snack, it's going to be like like garlic and herb or something that literally makes your mouth water. Mm-hmm. Not something that'll dry your mouth out like saltines. Yeah. Because too many souls and forget it. You can't even whistle. You just pretzels spitting out a bunch of Yeah. Petzel. That's right. Make me thirsty. We don't do pretzels at Okay.

38:50 For, uh, like for the BDSM workshop, since we're talking about a lot of body work I usually try to go for something that's gonna have more protein. Mm-hmm. Something that's gonna build up your muscles, something else going to make you a bit stronger. Mm-hmm. Either to give it or take it. Rotisserie chickens, Turkey eggs get like a couple of chicken legs. Er going, we haven't had breakfast. Yeah. Sorry. We're talking a lot of food here. Sorry. It's right next to the, uh, demo dick. You gotta ask Justin for it. Well, and but you know, it's, it's those kind of details that are, are really, you know, that, that we were kind of curious about. Yeah. Yeah. It so I have been running the workshops here for 15 years.

39:35 Wow. I've been teaching for 12 years. Mm-hmm. Okay. And even just running the workshops as a facilitator for other educators, I want it to be the best experience possible. Mm-hmm. Sure. And so. Even when Charlotte was teaching the blowjob class before me That was a deal. It was like, I'm the one that's gonna be setting up the class and whatnot. Charlotte doesn't know what snacks. Yeah. She like, she doesn't work here. She is a person. Like she's out there in the world. She's coming here to teach a class. And so that's kind of where it started was with Charla was uh, 'cause before it was just like generic, like cheap.

40:20 Yeah. Like, yeah, just get, just get snacks in here. And it was like cheese crackers and some grapes. We always have wine. Alright. Always have wine. There you go. Okay. And your classes are an hour and a half? Yeah. All right. Now there is, I, I know that. I know a lot of people that would have this question because our groups, people who listen to us, oftentimes they go to a lot of these lifestyle clubs and they're BYOB. Is there any, like, are, is it allowed to bring maybe something that they want to drink or can they bring their own snacks as well? Is that, is that allowed? You can bring anything that's non-alcoholic. Okay. We are not TABC certified.

41:03 Mm-hmm. Gotcha. As a business uhhuh, I am T-B-A-T-A-B-C certified because of my life in Austin and mm-hmm. Being around, so I am TABC certified and so I can check your ID and allow you to drink the wine. Gotcha. You better bring one. I I, I tend to travel with an emergency rotisserie chicken from time to time. You just never know. It might be a little awkward. We're sitting here in a workshop of 25 people and, and one person just like bust out. Yes. A cheeseburger. That might be a little awkward. Yeah. But our only rule is no outside alcohol. I, everything else, I feel like that's a fair rule. Yeah, that's a fair rule. Not to mention there's a bar across the street, so if you really, really, there's quick bars.

41:46 Yeah. If you really absolutely have to, you can show up early, have a few drinks and then come on in and Very true. Yeah. Yeah. I think it works. So one of my one of my jokes during the workshop half joke is, uh, when it's break time 'cause we don't just sit here for 90 minutes of me talking kind continuously. Right. We only have one bathroom. Sorry. Uh, if there's a line, I always say there's a bar of one and a gas station on the other and the bar is cleaner. There you go. But if you really have to go, I mean, you'll go wherever you got to. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is what it is, right? Yeah. Now, what is it that you'd like for anybody who's interested in signing up beginners what would you like them to know before attending one of your workshops?

42:35 Like I is there anything that they need to prepare themselves for beforehand? Even if it. Not my workshop or any of our workshops. Mm-hmm. One thing you have to be prepared for is we are going to be frank and honest. Mm-hmm. If you have any delusions, again, like the folks who got up and walked out. Yeah. You gotta, you have to leave everything at the door. Because you are going to see explicit pictures. Right. Right. Okay. I have, I have a rolling PowerPoint going behind me. Mm-hmm. You are going to see explicit images. Mm-hmm. Uh, if you are a guy, Hey, you know what?

43:20 You might see two dudes going down on each other. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Why? Because it's about. Fellatio. Yeah. And if that's the kind of thing that bothers you, then this is not the spot for you. Exactly. Yeah. If it's one of our rote classes, we explicitly put it right there in bold on our website, on the flyers, on the, uh, on our Chronicle ads. Wear comfortable clothing. Mm-hmm. Because it, this is a rope cla, like you can't, I mean, you can just do a slideshow on ropes. Yeah. Yeah. What is anyone gonna get at? Yeah. So on our rope classes, like no, you will be tying or be tied by somebody, bring a partner that's a great partner CL class.

44:08 So whatever whatever hangups or imaginary. I say imaginary. Whatever you think in your mind that might get you stuck. You gotta leave that at the door. I gotcha. Okay. Because we don't fool our punches here. We're gonna, we're gonna teach you. Yeah. And it's a safe space. 100% space. Hundred percent. Mm-hmm. Safe space. We've been, uh, constantly. No, I'm just trying to like, not sound like offensive or whatnot. Yeah. It's really difficult trying, like doing advertising online. Oh yeah. Yeah. You have to hard, you have to really walk the line. Yeah. I, yeah, I, my account has been blocked from Facebook so many times.

44:50 But we do, we sell body affirming gear. We also, yeah. That's awesome. You walk in here wearing skirt and heels and you're asking about this, that, and the other. I'm gonna talk to you, like I talk to everybody else. Nobody's gonna bat an eye. Nope. Yeah. Well, you know, we're, we're excited to, to talk about these workshops that you have here because you know, as we said at the beginning of the show, we have a workshop that we're gonna be doing here, uh, swingers 1 0 1. A lot of our listeners, a lot of newer people, a lot of stuff people that are considering. We will be here from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM doing the swingers 1 0 1. Mm-hmm. Workshop. And that should, should be a lot of fun. We're gonna come to all the workshops.

45:31 That should be a lot of fun. Yeah. I'm gonna come to all the workshops. I'm sure you're gonna find 'em all our events, our little event tech. Oh yeah. No, no, no. We're gonna, we're gonna put it out. Now. I, I, I, and I don't know if I, if I had asked you this yet or not, but I know the workshops are, are here in person now, is there, is there at all like hybrid where you can do Zoom and in person, or is it strictly in person, or is that anything that you, you, I'm sure I, I'm gonna get that question. Fortunately. No. For y'all's workshop, if y'all wanna set up a camera mm-hmm. Since y'all also have the podcast, they're all, and you'll, you have an online presence that's up to you. But generally, no.

46:13 Okay. Uh, again, like I said, we tried it and it was like I said, about two minutes in before I had to start screaming and mute your mic. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So that's why we abandoned the online. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah. It is hard because I mean, I have Zoom meetings and I have everybody focused. But we're gonna talk more about that because there are ways that you can set that up and not have anybody have a microphone. Yeah. But we got you. And so even for, for our, you know, for our swingers 1 0 1, what we may do is we may just record it. Yeah. Um, and then put it out for our Patreon community. Yeah, yeah. And our OnlyFans community.

46:54 Yeah. Exactly. Uh, so we, we may make that available to them. Uh, I'm excited just as a kind of a, hey, yeah. This is available. We have listeners all over that are outside of this region, so it would be nice to be able to, to offer that to others. So that'd be pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. I have no problem with that. The only rule is only you on camera. Yes. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes. No, no audience. Yeah, Yeah. Of course. Well, you know, that's just good. Uh, that's just a good rule all around when it comes to the swingers lifestyle. I think There's so many that are discreet Yeah. About that. And it's like, you cannot, and that's something that once we started doing content creation and we started doing the podcast and stuff, that's where we really, really learned. Not a lot of people like to be on camera.

47:34 Not a lot of people loan their voices out and that sort of thing. Like they really, really are discreet. So that's, yeah. When we do our lives, yeah. It's just us. Yeah. Whenever we have outside educators, I like to snap a few pictures for like Instagram and whatnot. It's always from the back. I mean, that's, yeah. And I let everybody know and not to like interrupt the class, but I, yeah. I let everybody know. It's like, Hey, I'm going to be taking a few pictures. 'cause sometimes they really are doing like, something interesting, especially for like the body ones where, right. Uh, Melissa did just did a glass and it was interesting. He was under a sheet. You couldn't see anything.

48:16 But I liked the image and I wanted to take a picture of it. And so I was just like, Melissa, hold up real quick. I just wanna take a picture. Everybody just everybody face forward, look full. Don't like, if you have a very distinctive Yeah. Like if you have like a flaming red mohawk. Yeah. I'm sorry. I, I, I can't anything move out on the way, anything about Yeah. But Yeah. White lady with brown hair. Yeah. Chances are you're not gonna be seen. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, as, uh, as we start coming to a wrap, I always like to, uh, have a little fun with our guests here. I have a few questions. What is the biggest misconception that people have walking in on average?

48:57 About the store or about, about the workshops, I'd say Okay. The workshop. Yeah. About our workshops. I would say, yeah. The biggest misconception is that it's gonna be, I try to keep it entertaining, but a lot of people come in thinking like he, he ha, pee that kind of thing where we're like. No. All right. Grab your rope and you're gonna pull it to three feet. Or if you're going to do anal, you have to make sure to express the piece. Uh, the prostate also the prostate and the g bar. The same thing. Okay. I didn't need to know all of that. No, you did. You did actually. Yeah. This is why you came to this work.

49:38 Be an adult. Yeah. Be an adult. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Be an adult. The biggest misconception are people who don't, don't expect an adult conversation. Okay. An adult. Yeah. Which is, which is kind of strange. Yeah. Kind of strange. But I guess, you know, it's, it's a diverse crowd. What are you gonna do now? What is one piece of advice that you'd give for nervous beginners coming into your workshops? If you're nervous you can always talk to me. I'm here for every single workshop. Mm-hmm. But also talk to the other people who are here. Like, and it doesn't have to be about, so what got you into butt? You could literally just, first of all, the way you said, that was great.

50:18 Awesome. What got you into butt stuff? Just saying hi. Been in the store before. Uh, it doesn't have to be something directly sexual or directly related to the workshop. Literally just talk to, yeah, because all of y'all are here for the same reason. Make some friends. Make some friends. Yeah. It doesn't get some tips. It doesn't have to be awkward if you don't wanna make it awkward. Chip share. Lots of tips. And finally, what's one thing that people never seem to expect, but always seem to love by the time they leave? I'm gonna say this is just about the store in general. Open and friendly. We are, oh man. Y'all are the first time we met you guys.

51:00 Like we fell in love. Like we, we were hugging you guys. I felt like y'all had been a part of the family for years. I know. Yeah, yeah. We are. We are a safe space. You can talk to us about anything. One of my rules is if somebody can ask me a question that I haven't heard before, you'll get it for free. Oh, that's interesting. Duly noted. That's, that's a hard one though. I'm sure, honey, I've worked in the industry. Turn it on. Bring it on. If I haven't heard it, I please. My rule is everything's a thing. Okay. But yeah, so, I think that's one of the things I was like, yeah, I'll just, alright. Yeah. Welcome to Forbidden Fruit. Now I just, I have one last question I saw those frigging eggs the last time that we were here and I have been dying to know what the hell do you do with those frigging eggs?

51:47 Where do those go? So those are super stretchy. Those are masturbator. Okay. Uh, they are super stretchy and so it goes over the head and as you pull down and get out, the thing is the text or the design on the outside is the texture on the inside. Oh wow. Okay. Gotcha. Holy crap. And so different textures and you. Put some lube on there. And so since most of the nerve endings are going to be in the head it works great. Those actually work really great with folks who, uh, are are uncircumcised.

52:29 Ah-huh. Because it pulls back the, uh, foreskin while exposing the head, adding lube instantly. Oh my gosh. That is just way too much. No, that sounds just right. That sounds just right. Johnny, thank you so much for sitting down with us today, and honestly for everything that you do to help people learn, grow, and feel more confidence, uh, in, in stepping into this world. Seriously, education like this makes so much difference and we love being part of it. So thank you very much and the community that we focus on learning and the connection instead of just assumptions. Yeah. So if you enjoyed this episode, make sure that you like, subscribe, share it with somebody who's curious about ethical non-monogamy, and please leave us a review.

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