Kink Night at Club Eden: Our First BDSM Club Experience

0:07 All right, y'all. Before we dive in, a quick heads-up This show is raw, real, and definitely not rated PG We're talking about adult themes, sexual content, and the kinda stuff you probably don't want blasting through your speakers at work or around your kids So grab some headphones, pour your drink of choice, and get comfy Oh, and just so we're clear, we are not licensed therapists, counselors, or sex couches. Sex coaches. Sex coaches Not sex couches We're just a couple of people sharing our lives, experiences, and sexy adventures in ethical non-monogamy. So with that, pull up a chair and enjoy the show Hello, and welcome to another episode of Beyond Monogamy.

0:52 I'm Adam. And I'm Pris, and on today's Wednesday quickie, we are gonna be discussing our night at the club. It was Kink Night. It was Kink Night. That was a very long title. Yeah. I'm sorry. You know, when we discussed it earlier, I thought you were just gonna say, "Kink Night," but- Like, literally a second before we turned it on. Yeah, but, uh- My bad … I could see the gears moving- Everyone's used to- … and I was like, "Oh, wow" … everyone's used to my- ADHD? Yeah. Yeah. Um- Well … but, yes. So for many who do know, we obviously go to Club Eden in San Antonio. Yes. That's one of our favorite clubs. That's our home club. That is our home club. Um, and on Thursday nights they have what they call Kink Night. Yes. Uh, now I've been hearing about Kink Night for a while now, uh, and, and I've been told, "Well, you know, it's not that packed," because, you know, it, it gets packed over the weekends.

1:41 Yeah. Uh, so it's not as big of a crowd. Yeah. There's more single guys. You know, I, I'm kinda given, like, this negative spiel- Yeah … every time. And, and, and it… You know, "Are y'all really into that?" And it's like, I always tell you, "Mm, I'm not really into, into that," but- And it, and it's worth saying that kink and swinging are not the same. They're not the same, and- They're not in the same realms I'm gonna tell you, we had a, we had our show last, last Sunday that aired with the Kinky Bros. Yeah. And talking to them, and then talking to you and everybody else, it kind of made me feel like, girl, go and… go check it out.

2:25 Keep an open mind. Go check it out. Keep an open mind. Be- and, you know, I, I think that's one of the biggest, uh, claims when it comes to people from kink- Mm-hmm uh, trying to cross over into- Mm-hmm … swinging, is the level of judgment, uh, that is- Yes … that is held. Yes. There's judgment that's held towards bisexual men- Yes … and things that they wanna do. Yeah. There's, there's, uh, judgment that's held towards people in the kink community- Yeah … and things that they wanna do, towards pegging, towards certain clothing, things like that. Mm-hmm. Uh, and it just doesn't make much sense to judge others in different communities when we're in a community that we don't wanna be judged. This is a non-judgment area. We do not judge around here.

3:06 We only judge the assholes and the bitches. That judge That's judge Yeah. There you go. That's what we do. But- There you go … um, yeah, so it was our, um, we went for a reason. Now, guys, this was planned about a month ahead because- Yeah … we are super busy, and we had a friend that was, um, wanting to come who is in the dominatrix. Yeah, she's been a dom for about two to three years now. Mm-hmm. Uh, something that, that her and I first talked about when she started getting into it, and that's when she started, uh, scoping out some of our content- Mm-hmm and some of our, uh, podcasts and that sort of thing. Just because it, it was, it was a realm that was parallel to the- Yeah … community that she was getting involved in.

3:51 Yeah. And she felt like it was interesting to, to learn different aspects of the- Yeah … communities out there. Um, and so she, we planned this out a month ahead, and the day came. The day came. We were pl- we were really looking forward to it, just because, uh, it's, it's so different. You know? Yeah. What I realize now is over the years, even the kink party that we went to the very first time- Yeah … when we first started in the, the community, um, a lot of that stuff was relatively light compared to some of the stuff that we, uh, saw- Yes uh, at kink night this past time.

4:31 Now, from, from what I'm told, and, uh, understand that a lot of the stuff that we saw at kink night- Yeah … that took place, came from our friend. Now, uh, my friend Ronnie, we've, we've known her for quite some time now. She goes by the name Mistress Vampirella. I wasn't gonna try to say that, girl. It's, it's it's a lot. It's a mouthful. Yeah. Uh, but, uh, this is what she does. And, you know, uh, she showed up to the place dressed in a smoking hot l- what is it, like a latex- This woman- … suit? Yeah. This woman had like, she had the skirt, the, the short little miniskirt, and I, I wanna say maybe latex or pleather.

5:13 Yeah, it was shiny, whatever it was. It was, it was awesome, and um, she has big boobies, so she had a little corset. Um, it was pushing up the girl. Sh- beautiful hair, like- She looked hot … hot. Yeah. Um, shoes, like, to, dressed to the nine as a beautiful dom. And- Should I paint the picture of what exactly everything that we saw? Like our homie came and she brought her sub with her. Yeah. And two other friends, and so they were on new to Club Eden. Um, and so of course we talk about Club Eden all the time, and they really wanted to come to this, um, to this, this night. So we're parked there and she gets out, the other two ladies get out, and then her sub gets out, and he's in a robe.

6:02 Yeah, he showed up in a robe. Yeah. And, and I was like, "Okay, cool." I had to run Andy's bathroom. They came into the club. Yeah, we got to meet everybody. Mm-hmm. They came in. Uh, they immediately were met with, uh, management who gave them a tour- Yeah of the whole facility. Broke down every area. Mm-hmm. Now, kink night is different in the fact that- Yes … a lot of things are set up there- Mm-hmm … where the dance floor is, my understanding. Yeah, so they did end up bringing a Is it a spanking s- chair? Spanking saddle? You were in the back. They brought one out for the- Yeah, I didn't really see- Yeah the front area- Okay, so- … until we were leaving.

6:44 Okay, so they brought, they brought a spanking saddle out. Oh, okay. Yeah. So a- around the dance floor, there's, uh, little, there's chains that are hanging from the ceiling- Mm-hmm … that can be utilized, I guess, when they have shibari and things like that- Mm … the different things that they need to hang from the ceiling. Yeah. Um, but we didn't see any of that. Uh, after our friends got a tour of the facility- Mm-hmm … they came to the couches that we were at, and they all hung out, you know? And that, understand that we were there early. Yes. Guys, it's a Thursday night. It opens at 8:00. They open at 8:00. We were there at 8:30. Yes. Um, and by the time we were sitting at the couch, it was about 9:00.

7:25 Yeah. A little after 9:00. And, you know, it, it was, there was a good little crowd there. Mm-hmm. Like, like they told, told us before, it wasn't like Saturday when it's really packed. Yeah. Um, but considering what we were expecting- Yeah … which was hardly anything- Yeah there was a good little crowd- Yeah … that showed. I mean, we got to shout out. Shout out to our buddy Jordy because- Ugh … Jordy came through. They, um, they knew that we were gonna be there, and so they made sure we had people there. And you- Yeah … if you've never been to our club, it is the most welcoming club. Accepting, yeah. An accepting club. The people are amazing.

8:07 And so we had a, we had a few of our friends there. Yeah, yeah. And, uh, you know, the, they're all, all types. Yes. All types. Um, and so we hung out there for a while out in the front. Um, and then after a while… Well, you and I, you know, we did- We- … our thing. Yeah. So we had to go to the back- … and have our fun. Uh, but time went on and we were like, "You know, probably gonna leave around 10:30. We've been here since 8:30. Probably gonna leave about 10:30." Nothing had happened yet. Yeah. Because this place, it, you know, oftentimes a lot of the people don't start coming out till about 10:00. Yeah. 10:30. Uh, that's when more people start coming in. Things don't really start getting busy until around 11:00, is my understanding, and after.

8:51 Mm-hmm. And I was like, "Dude, we're gonna be gone by then. We're gonna miss- Yeah … everything." Uh, so my lovely friend, uh, the mistress- Mm-hmm … basically said, "Look, I want you guys to scope out what we got going on, so let's go to the back." Yeah. And i- in the very back by the play rooms. She tried teaching me how to flog. Yeah, so- And I gotta say, that was kind of cool. I gotta get better at it. I'm not very good at the whipping because- I want to be a dom. Like, I would love to do that. You've expressed interest in it. Yeah, I've expressed that. And so she was, like, teaching me how to do it, and I was like… That was before we… Yeah. Yeah. I'm jumping ahead because, uh- My- … it was before we went to the bath … before we went out there. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, herself was dressed.

9:33 I have never seen this up close and personal. It was fantastic. It was amazing. Yeah. Like, he was wearing… I'm sure there's better names for these, but so I don't know what, what this is all called, but he had a full-blown mask. It was a leather mask. It had- It was almost like a sensory mask … he, I- … wasn't it? Like, the, it was, I… It's my understanding, like, he couldn't really talk through it. He couldn't really see- Because there's something in his mouth or hear too much. It's not so much a ball. She said it's more like, um- Like a plug … like a plug or like a- Yeah … like a… Yeah, like a plug. And so it's in his mouth, and then he had it wrapped. Yeah. And he had his eyes kind of covered, I must… I- Yeah, yeah. Right? Everything was- And his, and his ears. Yeah. Yeah. And his ears. So everything on, around the head was sensory clothes.

10:14 He had leather, like, mittens. His hands were covered. They were cute. Um, he had a collar. He had, um, a harness. He was pretty much naked except for wearing these little, like, harness things that were going all around his body. Yeah. He had nipple clamps on. He, nipple clamps on. He had- The cage. He had the cage on. The cage I'm familiar because- The cock cage. The cock cage. I find that super, super intriguing because I know of a gentleman that I talk to, and he wears a cage. Yeah. And I find it so freaking cool. My, my husband would bust that cage in a second.

10:55 Like, it would go bam. Like- I- … there's no way. I don't know, man. Um, so he had a cage. He also had… That cage goes around, like, your balls and, and then your… It goes around your penis. He had, um… His shoes were like… Imagine Doc Martens, very strappy Docs. Yeah. With, like, like, little round circles that you can, like, connect, like, maybe laces or rope, right? And on his toes, on his big toes- Yeah … he had rings. Like- Those are really cool … metal rings that had, like, um… It was It was just, and it was so cool.

11:36 Like- Because you can tie, you can basically tie rope to those rings- To every… Yeah … and, and affix, uh, him to not move essentially. Yeah. Yeah. And, like, there's no movement. So there's, um… She was showing me there was this hook, and his hands are tied behind his back, and his ankles were, were tied as well. And there's this hook that has, like… You can put in your- It's got, like, a ball attached to it … It has a ball that go, like… It's like a butt plug. And so it goes in your, in your ass. Yeah. And it hook- And you connect it. It, it's almost like it reminds me of fishing- Yeah … 'cause, you know, we- Yeah … we come from a bay town. Yeah. And yeah, it, the hook part goes in your ass, then it kinda comes out, and there's a, an area where you can tie a rope to it.

12:20 Yeah. So I was told also that women tie it to their ponytails. And so, like, when the guy hog-ties women, the woman, if she's moving, it goes- Oh, wow. Yeah. I mean, this was- Probably maybe 10 years earlier, I probably would've been like, "What the fuck?" Yeah. But I was so intrigued. I was like, "Tell me. What, what else?" And she was like, "Yeah, we have these vibrating," um, like… What did she ca- soundbars. And I was like, "I don't even know any of that stuff, but okay." Yeah, she was getting into that. So she's teaching us how to, how to flog. Yeah, so she… You know, before we went to the back, uh, she was kind of lightly flogging him- Wow … while he, uh, sat there with us, and she was giving us lessons, light lessons on, on the technique of flogging.

13:11 Yeah. Um, and so she was showing you and, and you were able to practice on him a little bit. Yeah, my brain couldn't… I couldn't do it. My brain- And I… 'Cause- … does not like to give pain … she was having me do it to you. Yeah. And I don't know what it is. And you were like this. I was like, "Uh." Like I could- I… There was no- Like, literally, he was like- flick of the wrist or nothing. Like, like it was- Like, it wasn't even… The guy next to us- I felt like such a pussy … the guy next to us was like, "No, like this." And I was like, "Dude, I will punch you." And, um, but he… Yeah, it was, um… I, I couldn't. I couldn't, like, do it. No, I, I, I struggled with it too, and I, I think because y- you know, she made a, a… She made a great, um, I guess comparison.

13:56 Uh-huh. She, she said, "Remember Indiana Jones? You know how he does with the whip?" Yeah. "You wanna do it the same way." And I was like, "Okay, well, that makes sense." Yeah. But then I still had to do it to you, and I was looking to have a good night, and I didn't wanna upset you, so I just was like, "Uh," you know. Like I… It was light. It was light. I was horny. You could never hurt me, baby. Um, well, hey, I've never had to do that before, so I don't know. Yeah. Um, but once we got that under her belt, she was like, "Yeah, let's, uh, you know, let's go scope out the back area." Because his kink is, um, he likes to be em- Humiliated hu- humiliated. Yeah. Um. In front of people. In front of people. So that I couldn't even wrap around my head.

14:37 You hear about these things. Like, you, you know. Well, it's same as, as cuckolding. I mean, uh, the… it's the, the- Uh, let me tell you guys. I was- … the humiliation- Yeah … aspect of it. Yeah. And they always say it's a, it's a power exchange, and a lot of this is a, it, it involves the power exchange, consented power exchange. Yeah. Um, and so that was something that he was digging about that whole thing. Yes. Uh, so we, we went to the back. Hey, so we wanna talk about something that actually is kind of important before we move any further Yeah. ProDX Health, and here's why we love them They do at-home testing. Like, you get a kit, you do it at home, you mail it back STIs, hormones, real stuff that you should really actually know about Yeah, and there's no waiting room, there's no awkward conversations, none of that You just get your results, and if you need next steps, they help you with that, too Look, knowing what's going on with your body is just part of taking care of yourself and the people that you're with Very true.

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16:28 And it's already busy back there. Like, there's somebody, there's two people on the St. Andrew's cross. Yeah. There's people sitting down- On the s- … watching … on the spanking bench. Somebody on the spanking bench. Um, and then she'll, she hops him on this table, and she proceeds to start tying him to the table. Yeah, so picture this, if you will. It's, uh, there's a cage, and on top of the cage is basically a bed. Mm-hmm. And it, four corners of posts kinda go up. Yeah. And there's a ceiling to this bed area, and you can basically… There's areas where you can tie. Like a canopy kind of.

17:09 Yeah. Those canopy beds? Yeah, almost like a, like a- But all metal. Yeah, all metal. Mm-hmm. And so, uh, she laid him in the bed and she proceeded to start, uh, tying him off in s- as much as she could. They had- So- They had, they had a bunch of rope … they have a bunch of rope, so she's tying his feet. Um, but she had to take off the, the locks that were on his toes. And she's tying him, and then she's tying his hands and- He's telling her, like, he's mumbling to her what to do because she says, "This is usually always done before I even get here." Yeah, he normally already has it set up- Yeah … wherever they go. Yeah. So this was, uh, her, her doing.

17:51 She had to- Yeah. She had to set everything up, so she wasn't normally used to that. Yeah. Uh, but once he was set up, uh, she busted out with the electric wand. Yes. Now tell me, what, what is the electric wand? So I, I do facials on myself, and it's like a little zap- like, a little machine of electricity, and it kinda gives you a little zappy feeling. So, uh, it was- Like- … told to me before we actually did it. Uh, y- you remember those, those big crystal ball things if you grew up in the '80s and the early '90s? Yeah, like you would touch and it has static. Yeah, and, and you could touch it and, and- Yeah … the little elec- electricity goes to your fingers.

18:32 Mm-hmm. That it's basically a wand of that. Okay. And when you have it on its lowest setting, the, the sensation that you get is about the same. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Um- I was like, "Ooh, I could… I do that on my face." And she's like, "No, it's different." I was like, "No, it's, I, it looks exactly the same." Um, and so she, she, she's like, "We're looking for a plug." So we found a plug, and she's, like, turning it on, and she's rubbing it on his body. Yeah. All I can think of is this man is wearing metal. Oh my God. I mean- Is something gonna happen? Yeah. But, but no. There's- And other people started, like, looking to see what she was doing, and they were… She- Yeah, so- She was really com- she was comfortable with- Once she started her show- Yeah she, she did a real good job of involving others- Yeah … uh, to where it's like, "Hey, d- did you wanna see what this feels like? I can, I can test it on you," that sort of… Which I thought was excellent, 'cause she's not only giving a show, but she's educating people about what she has and what she's doing.

19:31 Yes. Um, which in and of itself, it's my understanding the people at, at kink night at our home club have never seen anything as hardcore- Yeah uh, a- at kink night- As, as- … as, as that … as that. Um- Because we do see a lot of spanking. Yeah, and so that's why I said there's a lo- we've seen a lot of the light stuff. Yeah. There's a lot of flogging, a lot of spanking. Yeah. Uh, and things like that. You get tied to the St. Andrew's Cross and, a- and, and different aspects of that. But what she was doing with her sub apparently is not often seen there. And so she proceeds to shock him in, in, with the wands- He loves it on his- … on his nipples- He loves it on his balls … and down his, down his stomach.

20:14 Mm-hmm. And then she started zapping his, his balls- Yeah … and his dick. Yeah. Um, which, you know, I, I really, I was fascinated by the whole thing. Pris and I are very different on our reactions. So we're standing there with a front row seat, like, we're s- literally standing right there. Yeah. And I can't stop watching. I'm like, "Oh, wow," and she's like, "I can't look," and she looks the other way. And as he's groaning or making noises, she's like, "Ugh." You know, she's making these noises. I'm like, ugh. And I had to, like, slap your leg and go, "Hey, stop it." I know. I was like, "Oh, my goodness." Um, 'cause I was… You just weren't used to it. I wasn't used to it. After a while, um- You seem to have gotten fascinated all of a sudden.

20:57 You, like, ma- I'm, I don't know, like, you made yourself watch instead of look away, and then you were like, "What? Okay." Yeah. "Let me see this." Yeah, so I was like, "Okay, I wanna look at this." Um- So she had you, uh- She had me … take that vibrator. Yeah, and kind of… So she has a, um- The Hitachi, right? Yeah. That's called the wands. Those, those big vibrating wands. Yeah, I want one so bad. Um, and I was rubbing it on his leg, and he likes it, and just, you know, she, she rubs it all over him and whatnot. And then she says, "Okay, we're gonna do the soundbar." And I was like, "Okay." So- In my head- I don't, I, I didn't know what that was … in my head, I thought… She was like… I was like, "What is that?" 'Cause in my head I was just thinking she was gonna get two bars and kinda tap them- I thought it was a tuning fork.

21:47 Yeah. I, I initially thought it was gonna be- Mm-hmm, yeah … like a tuning fork where… And, and they did something, uh, kinky with a tuning fork. Yeah. 'Cause, 'cause that's what it sounded like. The sound, sounding rods or sounding bars. Um- Um, and so we didn't really understand that. And she, yeah. But she proceeded to take out these, uh, different size, and I'm talking these, these things are, these are girthy. They have to be as- They're weighty … as, as thick as your pinky. Yeah. Like- Ish. Yeah. There's different diameters, uh, different sizes, and she shows us these different bars and she says- And she says … "These sounding rods actually go in your pee hole." They're what breaks up kidney stones. Yeah. And so I got a great education on that, because I had no idea what they were- Yeah used for.

22:31 But initially, they're used to break up kidney stones. Yeah. And, and that's where they came out. And they vibrate, but the ones that she had needed a battery, so she just used, like, the regular ones, and we made it vibrate. Yes, yes. So guys. Oof. This man, he is ta- Ooh … they've taken out his little cage, and he's laying there. And she proceeds to lube the little bar. holds his penis and inserts these into his- Yeah … pee hole. Yeah. And she's gotta inch it little bit by little bit to make sure. As you twist it and it goes, she's up and down, up and down. And she's like, "You can feel it at the bottom. Like, you can't go any further."

23:14 You know, once it reaches the base. Once it reaches a certain area, you can't go. And so she's doing that and I… She's like, "Here, hold the, hold the wand and, and put it right here so it can vibrate." So I put that Hitachi thing right at his balls and I have it on high. She goes, "Does it go any higher?" And I was like, "No. No, it does not." And so I put it there and she's inserting these little rods. Incredible. And I was so fascinated I don't know what sensation he got from it You know, we didn't get to, we didn't stick around- We didn't, yeah … too much longer unfortunately, 'cause it was, it was getting late.

23:56 Right. It was, it was- I think we're gonna have to have the part two on this show- Yeah because I don't know what that is. Like Well, y- you know, she's, she's gonna be coming back to the club. Yeah. And I, I would like to maybe take the next day off and just- Yeah … be able to stay there late and watch the entire show- Yeah … and be able to talk to them afterwards, because I'm really curious about the sensations that are involved and, and how it, how it feels and that sort of thing. Yeah. Um, I, I'm not interested enough to do it, but I'm interested enough to ask them and, a- and find out- Yeah … from, from the person who actually enjoys it. And she said, "He's taking this too easily. I think I need to go a size up." Cool. I was like, "Oh, okay." Oh. Yeah. No. S- and she did. She tried. That was- Um, but it only went a very- It was, it was- It only went like halfway she was like, "You know, we haven't, we haven't worked him up to this size yet-" Yeah.

24:42 "… so we're gonna ha- that's something we're gonna have to work on." And I was like, "Wow, that's incredible." I was very impressed. Here's the thing about it, is we, and I mean you and me, along with many others who are not in the kink world, we're kind of fed some bullshit- Oh, for sure about the kink world. For sure. Uh, just the same way as vanilla people are fed bullshit about, uh- Swinging … the swinging world. Yeah. Uh, w- we, we were fed bullshit growing up and throughout the years from television, online, people just who aren't familiar, who just assume things. Uh, they, they say all sorts of things, and until you're there and you're watching it in person and you're actually seeing that this person's not being tortured.

25:29 I mean, it, it- Yes … would appear, I- if you're, if, if you're hearing us right now, holy shit, that sounds like torture. Mm-hmm. But you have to understand, this person really gets off to that. They get a sense of satisfaction- Yeah … from what they're doing. I, I'm not gonna lie to you, I left there and I was like, "I would love to do this." So I, I actually got to watch you, uh, work with Mistress Vampirella. Yeah. She was teaching you a few things. Yeah. And I saw the light go off in you, and you were like, "I like this." I was like, ooh, because I, I mean, I have, I have a friend who would totally be down for… Now, I don't know about the humiliation, but the whole aspect of the You know, I, I mean, I don't know how far, but I'm assuming, like, the flogging and all that.

26:25 And the pain. And I was like, yeah. Yeah. I was like, kinda hot. See, I… It's my understanding that a lot of the pain, um, is kind of equalized with the aftercare. Mm, mm-hmm. That the aftercare is a good portion, but it's also headspace. Mm-hmm. So headspace has a lot to do with the, uh, the kink world. Yeah. And where your headspace is during, during and after. Yeah. Um, those are all very, very big. Now, you say that you can't do hu- the humiliation aspect, but I think that if you- I mean- … had a person that you were working with- Yeah … and you knew that this was something that they really are satisfied from- I could do it … I think you could do it.

27:06 Yeah. Knowing that it was consented. Yeah. Knowing that you weren't just trying to be an asshole. Yes. Yeah. Like, you're doing something that- It, it- … they really enjoy. I, I could. And I, and that's what I had to, like, really think about. 'Cause I was like, I, you know, doesn't mean, like, I have to, like, spit on them or- Unless they ask for it … you know, unless they ask for it. But, like, or, like, I would never, like, throw my fecal matter at them. That's, those are the things that I always, like, used to come up with. Like- Yeah … oh, humiliation would be like, oh, I'm gonna pee on them, or I'm going to… You know, they're gonna want me to, to take a deuce on them or something. Like, that's what I thought of. Seriously, like, I'm so damaged. Well, it, and- I'm- But, you know, we're also fed this through television. Exactly. And years of- Exactly … of just- Yeah … false advertising.

27:49 Yeah. You know? And, you know, she was not… He loves to be humiliated, but she was not saying humiliating things to him. She wasn't very- She was very kind. You know, she was like, "Are you okay? How are you doing?" She was constantly checking in on him. Yeah. Um- She was constantly making sure he was okay … which I was- She would do a little bit of humiliating, you know, to, to- Do what he likes … because he likes that. Yeah. Um, but for the most part, she was very professional, and you don't see that side oftentimes- I know when you look at porn or whatever. Yeah. You get caught in whatever bullshit that you see. But that's really what makes this so great. Mm-hmm. Is, is y- I really got to sit back and go, "Holy shit, this is a very, very safe space-" Yes … for him." Yeah.

28:37 And she's in control, and she's going to ensure that nothing bad is gonna happen. Yeah. That things are gonna get taken only so far, that you're gonna constantly be checked in on, that, that if there's a problem, everything stops. Yeah. You know, that sort of thing. And I just thought that was incredible. And he ta- he told her how to do those things. Yeah. Which I thought was- so amazing because I wouldn't know where to start. So I would meet- Well, and you know, they've only been working for t- for a few years together. Yeah. But he's been doing this for decades. For decades. Yeah. I think, yeah, he's had a lot of different doms, she said. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, that's so cool. So I, and that's so when, when she told me that, I was like, "Oh, okay, well, I don't have to come with my own playbook.

29:24 Like, they're gonna ex- tell me what they want and what they like. Like, I know what I wanna do, but they're also going to help me." Yeah, and that's the aspect that you don't think about whenever- I, yeah, no … you're thinking about, "Oh, I'm gonna be a dom," and, and you're not really certain about that world, and you've never really- Yeah fooled around with it. You don't think about the fact that- No … "Hey, I'm gonna sit here with the person that I'm going to be doing this with." Mm-hmm. "And I'm gonna talk to them about what it is you like- Mm-hmm … what it is you don't like. What's the, where are the boundaries? What, you know, where, what are we consented to do? What is it that you really, really want done?" Mm-hmm. "How far can we go?" You know, you, you gotta take down all of this data, and you have to take it in, and you have to keep that in mind- Yeah … while you're doing it.

30:10 Yeah. And there is just so much more to it- Oh my God, I- … than just going back there and beating the shit out of someone. I was, y- exactly. Yeah. I was so fascinated. I have been googling and doing so many things. Mm. I'm like, I would totally- I- … be down for that … definitely see a little, a little idea growing inside of you. I would rather do that than do porn. Really? Yeah. I could see m- I mean, I would do porn, but I could see myself doing that and really enjoying myself in that As, you know, and porn just be something I do.

30:52 Yeah. For sure. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. So I guess you're gonna be a, a, a dom as well as a porn star? I mean, I could be a dom porn star. I've seen weirder things before. Yeah. Uh, you know, all in all, I would give it, uh, you know, the, the kink night, I have never been to, uh, a kink night at a club before. Mm-hmm. Uh, I, I know that they have some, some other kink, uh, conventions out there- Yes, that we will be attending … uh, that we haven't been to before- … but we most likely will at some point. Yeah. Um- Because there's so many different categories. There's a lot. Like, there's so many different- There's a lot … like, I seriously have been so close-minded.

31:34 I did not think of all the things that… The possibilities are endless, guys. And, you know, it's stuff that maybe isn't our cup of tea. Yeah. But it doesn't turn me off to it. Like, I, I, I am down to wa- Yeah … we're people watchers. Yeah. 100%. And I'm always down to scope out that experience and see what it's like from, from a, a, an audience perspective. And if it looks like something that, uh, maybe is within my realm of interest, I'd give it a try. I have a, I have a question, because I know that you've said, "You know, I, I would try this because I'm a, I'm a pleaser." Would you?

32:17 Would you, would y- if I said, "I want you to, to start, like, spanking me and I want the little flogging thing," would that be- It would, it would definitely… I don't know if I would get pleasure from doing that to you- Yeah … but I might. Yeah. See, that's the thing. I can't really say for sure- Yeah … 'cause I've never done it before. Yeah. But if, if you were legit saying, "I'm getting pleasure off of this, and this is how we need to do it," and I could see that you're getting pleasure off of what I'm doing- Yeah I think, yeah. Yeah? Yeah. I think so. I think so, too. Yeah, because that's what I get off to, is getting you there. Yeah. You know? And then afterwards, you bang it out a few times, you know what I mean? That kinda turned me on.

32:58 Uh, now, I will say that experiences for me, I'm trying to keep an open mind because, uh, y- you know, it's tough to enter the kink world when you've spent so many years in a toxic masculine type of environment. Yes. Yes. Uh, there's a lot of stuff in the kink environment that you can tell a lot of people would sit back and go, "Huh, I ain't doing that. I ain't gay." Oh, for sure. You know? For sure. Stuff like that, and it's like- Yeah … dude, it ain't even like that. Yeah. You know what I mean? Uh, so I think that there is a lot of stuff that normally I would never have thought twice to do that I would consider trying.

33:38 Yeah, yeah. I would consider trying. And you know what? Shout-out to my buddy Griff from- Yeah … @kinkybros. I think I would totally try and wear some rubber. I would- What? I would be interested in trying to- How about the thong? I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I would try it with you. Yeah. Uh, but not outside the bedroom, only because I'm just- Did you- not very secure of my body … did you hear that, Jason? That's right, Jason. Looking at you, buddy. I mean, we have some really good connections that have helped us, um, look outside of our normal, little minds of- Yeah … curiosity. Like, it's, these are things that we've never really talked about and- frankly, have never really crossed my mind if I liked it or not, and e- especially, you know, you either.

34:25 Like, we've never- No, and here's the thing that I have never really thought of until Kink Night. Mm-hmm. You don't have to do anything you don't wanna do. Yeah. And we've said it on the show a billion times regarding the lifestyle. Mm-hmm. And it applies to kink. Mm-hmm. You don't have to do anything you don't wanna do. No. If you're s- if you're in the middle of a scene and you're not feeling it or you're in pain or there's something wrong- Mm-hmm … everything stops- Yeah … as soon as you vocalize that. Yeah. And it's okay. Yeah. Nobody's gonna degrade you and go, "Ha, fucking pussy." Yeah. You know, nothing like that. It's like we're all here for some sort of pleasure. Exactly. And what pleasure a person gets is subjective to what they like.

35:08 Yeah, yeah. And it's, it's different for every individual- Yeah … needs. It's different. Uh, my kink, as we've said on the past shows, is hot wifing. Mm-hmm. Well, that's definitely not everybody's kink. Um- No … and, you know, there's, everybody's got something, and, and I think it's fun to experience something even if you've never, i- if you never do it again. Agreed. To be able to say, "You know what? I tried that." Agreed. "And let me tell you about it," you know- Yeah … what I mean? Agreed. And I, and I feel like our experience at Kink Night at Club Eden, uh, in San Antonio was a great experience. We will be back. We will be back. Yes. And you know who else will be back? Mistress Vampirella.

35:48 Yes. She made it real clear she loved Club Eden. She loved the space that they provided for- Yeah … for, uh, for the kink and the- Yeah … BDSM areas. She loved how inclusive and accepting everybody was, and, you know, before she showed up to the club, she straight up told me, "I don't know, you know, i- if, if I don't have a good experience here, I, I don't know if I'm gonna come back." Yeah. Um, but literally the next day she sent me a message saying, "That was an incredible experience. The club was amazing, and because of all of that, we will definitely be- Mm-hmm … returning as often as we can." Um, and they're gonna be giving shows. So let me tell you something.

36:28 If you're not doing anything on Thursday nights and you find yourself in San Antonio, it's about 8:00, 8:30, head over to Kink Night. Why not? And go gain those experiences. Go scope it out. You don't have to do anything. You don't want to. If you wanna just watch. Mm-hmm. I- y- but there's people around who are knowledgeable. There's other people there that go to Kink Night. They, they bring in bags of different things. Uh, you got spanked with a spoon from Hobby Lobby. I got spanked with a spoon, and let me tell you that I like that. So I don't like pain. And I don't like a man to give me pain. Like, I don't know.

37:09 It's like my thing, like I wanna punch him. So yeah, I, I enjoyed it. Yeah, you got kind of a, a cup slap from the, uh- So what I liked was the, um- The, the cupping … the cupping part. Yeah. I was like, "Ooh." Yeah. Yeah, I did. Yeah, I, I saw your, your look on there. Yeah, I was like- And I was like, "Oh, yeah" … "Do the other cheek now." Yeah. Uh, you know, we got to see other people get on the spanking bench and, uh, really, you know, you could tell there was, there was some heavy, heavy-duty spanking and things like that going on. Yeah. I was like, "What's their safe word?" And, and you know, it was, it was interesting to watch how they came down from that intense head space. Yeah. And right when we were leaving, there was somebody who was just getting tied up with some rope.

37:52 Yeah. And unfortunately we didn't get to experience any Shibari- No uh, stuff. But- Ooh, but we are going- But … to a Shibari thing … in November. Yes. November 14th. It's called ShibArt-E. It's, it's art, but it's also Shibari. Really? Is that what, is that what it's called? Yeah. Okay. Shib- ShibArt-E- All right … I believe is what it's called. Um, and it's in the Houston area. Yes. Mm-hmm. And as a matter of fact, the person putting it on, we will actually be having on the show in probably the next few weeks. So stay tuned for that because- Oh, real? … we're gonna have a long talk about Shibari, all things Shibari.

38:35 And after that- I find that very sexy … it's, it is sexy. I would love to get the whole tied up and… I don't know. I don't know what else you do. I was a Cub Scout, so let me tell you something, I know a thing or two about knots. All right. And I was a fisherman. So if anything, if all else fails, every single knot I do is gonna be a fisherman's knot. Okay. Yeah. So I am interested in- Yeah … learning more about Shibari. I think it is beautiful. It is a, it is artwork. Yes. But it's also very functional. Yeah. And, and I'm interested in knowing all about it. So that is somebody that we're gonna be having on the show soon, so keep an eye out for that. We're gonna be attending that in November. We're definitely gonna be talking more about that as we go along.

39:17 So that is really the summation of, of all but maybe two hours- Yeah … that we were there. I mean, we weren't there very long. No, we were not. That was a lot. Yeah. And it's my understanding a lot more happened after we left. Unfortunately, we weren't there to catch it all. Yeah. Uh, but I will say this Always know that there are many people out there who like different things. Mm-hmm. We don't wanna treat anybody with shame. We don't wanna make anybody feel less than because they're into something that maybe we're not into. Yeah. This is… The kink community is a very accepting community, and I think frankly, the swinger and poly communities, uh, could take a page out of their book.

39:58 Mm-hmm. And, and learn a thing or two- Agreed … about, about, uh, not being judgmental. Agreed. With that being said, we're gonna go ahead and conclude this show. Uh, thank you guys for joining us as always. Just a few things before we let you go. Always- Always … like, subscribe, share, leave us that five-star review because we know you love us, and you just gotta say the words, you just gotta put the stars out. And if you're listening to us on your radio, do us a favor, go to YouTube. Oh, yeah. Check it out. Subscribe there, because that helps us grow even further. That's right. That's the vidya. Yeah. That's the vidya. Yeah. Um, also, don't forget that every Thursday at 2:00 PM and 7:00 PM Central we are, uh, streaming on fullswapradio.com.

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