Bible Belt Swingers: The Detective, the Therapist & the Lifestyle

0:05 All right, y'all. Before we dive in, a quick heads up. This show is raw, real, and definitely not rated PG. We're talking about adult themes, sexual content, and the kind of stuff you probably don't want blasting through your speakers at work or around your kids. So grab some headphones, pour your drink of choice and get comfy. Oh, and just so we're clear, we are not licensed therapists, counselors, or sex couches. Sex coach. Sex couches. Not sex couches. Or just a couple of people sharing our lives experiences and sexy adventures. An ethical non-monogamy. So with that, pull up a chair and enjoy the show.

0:48 Hello and welcome to another episode of Beyond Monogamy. I'm Adam. And I'm Pris. And today we've got a conversation that I honestly don't think that you will hear anywhere else. Mm-hmm. Our guests are a married couple from right here in Texas, the Bible Belt part of Texas. He spent eight years in law enforcement, the last three as a sex crimes detective. And today he's a friggin' firefighter, man. She used to be a licensed therapist, and these days she teaches Bible class. They're active in the church. They've got seven kids between them with a baby girl on the way and they're in the lifestyle. Holy crap. Yeah. Yeah. This is gonna be good.

1:29 Yeah, and they're living that lifestyle very quietly. And this is stuff that we talked about on the show before. And before you ask how a detective and a therapist even ended up together we're gonna get into that because I need to know that story. Yeah, you do. Yeah. I think we both do. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So we're gonna talk about what the lifestyle looks like when you've got a pew with your name on it. Yeah. What a sex crimes detective and a therapist know about consent and vetting that the rest of us don't, and what it's like building a creator brand when nobody can ever really see your face much. Yeah. Yeah. Before we get into it. If you're new here, welcome. Hit subscribe or follow wherever you're listening right now so you don't miss a Sunday or a Wednesday episode.

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2:54 Yeah. Yeah. It's been Thanks for letting us join you today. Right. Yeah, this is fun and He that's a lot. That's a lot of information. Hi. Yeah. Yeah, that's a that's a lot to take in. So, I'm I'm actually I'm really excited that that we were able to link up and and talk because everything that I heard immediately I was like, Are you friggin' kidding me? And this is the kind of stuff that we hear about Yeah. all the time. I mean we're involved in the community and you know, there's people from all walks of life, which is so friggin' cool. Um For sure. And and that's where people are starting to realize, oh crap, this is somebody who's next to me. This is somebody I could be shopping at the same grocery store with So Kole, you have been in law enforcement for eight years?

3:42 Yeah, so yeah, so t about around twenty seventeen is when I got into law enforcement. That's when I went through my academy. Okay. Um after that I did about five years on the streets and I would work the real hood part of the hood part of the city. And once you start working what's considered the hood, you realize it it's a bunch of just misunderstood people. You know, a lot of times we'd be like a shooting or something would happen and we'd flood the area with like 20 cops and we're stopping everything that moves. And everyone's getting mad at us, and then it took Yeah. like a one good car stop for someone to explain it to me. Like, hey, imagine if every time you left your house you seen like five cop cars on the way to to the freeway, even to get to work, and one of those cop cars is gonna stop you every single time simply because where you live from. And well, and when he says like the hood, it's the hood in Vegas. We're from Las Vegas.

4:33 Yeah. So it's not the hood here in Texas. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, we're originally originally born and raised in Vegas, yeah. So Right on. um yeah, that's where that's where I was in law enforcement at. And so after you know, working that part of law enforcement, you're like you don't really believe in the mission of like the war on drugs and stuff like that. Because to me, if they're doing it in their own home, they're not hurting anybody. I don't really believe I don't doesn't bother me, don't hurt nobody. Everybody loves everybody. Jackie Moon from Semi Pro, right? Um and then Ha ha ha. I did a couple ride-alongs with the SWAT unit and with narcotics and vice.

5:14 And then ended up la landing in sexual assault, where Wow. to me, the when it comes to sexual assault, you see Game of Thrones and they talk about the White Walkers and the wall and all that stuff. When you know that stuff going on, that stuff is going on, especially the sexual assault of children, those are the white walkers, I believe. Yeah. And so you you lose, yeah, you lose sight of like that. I want to go get gangsters or drug dealers or anything like that. Yeah. that is very minimum compared to the people that's abusing our children, especially ones that Right. like nine times out of ten, it's someone so close to the family or someone that for sure. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. the kids trust, you know? So yeah. So I did that for about three years and that's how I met this beautiful woman I was gonna say, okay, so that's how you met Bella.

5:56 here. Okay, so Bella, you were a therapist? I was. So again in Las Vegas, I got my license out there. I was a young therapist, you know. Well y'all are fairly young. Y'all look fairly young, so. I'm not so much young. She she's a lot younger than me. I I'm thirty five, she's thirty. Okay. Okay. Okay. Oh, okay, Yeah, I just I just think she's gonna be thirty. yeah. Yeah. She's four years old. Yeah. Yeah. But uh good for your age. I'm forty eight, so you know, that's young to me. I'm forty four. So thank you. Yeah, yeah. No, but I went straight to college out of high school. I did my degrees to be a therapist. It was my dream, you know. Your masters. To help people. I got my masters in it, did my hours. I mean the whole shebang, you know. And then one day I walk in and ruin it all.

6:45 So yeah. Exactly. Those cops, Oh typical fucking man. Thanks. The dream crushers. man. They're stole it away. Yeah. See, I see that's why Um I I married somebody that didn't have any dreams. That's right. Yeah. It's already gone. So I didn't have anything to crush. That's y you know, that's I went that route. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean he was a client for a minute there. Um I'm not I don't know how deep you want me to get into that. In her defense, it was like two what, two sessions. It was the two sessions. And then I discharged because there was obvious I mean, there's looks between like you know when you get the eyes from each I gotcha. Yeah. That attraction. other, you know, you're like, Oh, this is This is going somewhere. It was mostly her Yeah. Right.

7:29 giving me the eyes. Not not I'm joking. Yeah. It was all me. Yeah. But then I mean, long story short, a huge investigation for my license. I lost my license. Um Yeah. Wow, because of this? huh. Yeah. So one of the things you can't do as a therapist is have sex with your Okay. Yes. Correct. clients. So that that's a big no no. Correct. Yeah. Same thing with lawyers too, Yeah. Yeah. yeah. Yeah. Okay. I didn't know that. But Now yeah, so I can't be licensed in Nevada or Texas. So here we are. Right. Well, I'm sorry to hear that because I know therapy is I've always wanted to be a therapist. I'm just I'm Yeah. I started a little too late in life for my dream, right? Um, Mm-hmm.

8:11 but I do I do understand like that sucks. That does suck. Yeah. But I guess you have him, right? And now y'all have a family and whatever. Yeah. And then you have seven, seven kids between y'all. Yeah, well number si number seven's on the way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Number seven. Okay. How many kids y'all have together? So we have one together right now. I have three Okay. from my previous marriage. She has two from her previous. And now we're about to have our second. Yeah. So perfect. Yeah. That's exciting. Good for y'all. Yeah. It is That uh summers here get pretty pretty wild. So yeah, yeah. That's and I'm assuming y'all share custody because it's from different Yeah. Yeah. yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

8:52 Okay. And We do. Yeah. uh Did that Mm. have a I mean, you're y'all are together now, right? And and there's no Yeah. Yeah. more are you you're not a cop anymore, you're a firefighter now? Yeah, so one one thing led to another and ultimately in order to kind of make things easier on her and to get myself in a better place in better headspace Yeah. because when I was going through all that, the reason why I sought out therapy is through the mental health stuff. I was I was down in the dumps, I was looking for any dopamine hit to um just kind of keep going to the next day. Yeah. And and Bella was that dopamine hit. That's right. That's right. Are you kidding? That's free therapy from there, you Yeah. Yeah. She yeah. know?

9:34 And you know, she's a workaholic. She takes her work homework. That's right. Yeah she did. You go girl. Yeah. But it's still a piece of work. Yeah, I'll be I'll be her forever client. He's still a piece of work. I don't think she's ever ever gonna solve this one. She's she's still updating your file. But yeah. Yeah. So that's awesome. Yeah. And I mean Yeah. But I I mean like because of this though, we obviously the way we met was we both engage like we had an affair, you know, which Yeah. caused some animosity. I mean some nasty divorces, nasty cus cattles. Sure. Been there, girl. Yes. Um yeah. So in Texas Okay. is where everything kind of settled down. And then he followed me to Texas.

10:16 Um Okay. and he kind of wanted to restart with his career and stuff just because it was it was heavy. And so I mean he avoided law enforcement altogether when Yeah. he got out here. Yeah. yeah, because that three years when you're working that specific section and you see the worst of the worst happen to young children, ultimately it drove me to a point where I didn't like myself, I didn't like work. Like I I got to the point where I think because of the stuff we went through with the divorce and all that stuff, like I very close came to suicide and Yeah. I just needed to get out of that and Texas was that fresh start for us. And yeah. Yeah, a whole a whole blank slate for you there. Yeah. And you know, it's it's tough to to yeah.

10:56 to be in that field and have children that you're coming home to. Yeah. Right. because you see things out there and then you have to come home with this fresh in your mind Oh yeah. Mm-hmm. and you see your own kids and it's like, what the fuck? So I can only imagine I you know, I'm glad that you're out of that and way to go for I mean it's still friggin' dangerous, but you're saving lives and that's that's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really we're just, you know, sitting around the stage cooking and making calendars. I mean now in this part of the story is where I ask uh considering Yeah. this is a a non-monogamous and also uh swinger podcast. Yeah.

11:38 Did did y'all start off as non monogamous? Was this something that y'all led into? No, I would say Y'all decided to try swinging out? What what happened here? How did So one I think one of the benefits of being her client was that I was able to be one hundred percent myself right out the door. Where you have people when they first meet each other, whether it being on Tinder dates or whatever, you're given the highlights you're trying to sell yourself. With me, I was coming in like, Hey, save me. I'm drowning. Like this is the this is who I am deep down inside. These are the things I struggle with. And what sorry to interrupt you, but those things included like He wanted to have sex with multiple people, essentially, like all the time, you know. Um, Okay. Yeah.

12:22 and I think it was habitual for him, you know. That's that was his lifestyle when he met me. Me on the other hand, absolutely not. Like I've never dipped my toe in, I've never even heard about like that stuff when I met him. but obviously there's a kink to the therapist sleeping with her client, right? And that was it's a no no. And so that alone, I think, was eye eye-opening for me. And then when we got together, Riskiness. when we got together, um, we first were monogamous. Like we didn't talk much about like opening that or anything. But I think like as our relationship kept going, there's we're not gonna deny each other of like fantasies and Yeah. Sexual kinks that we've had and stuff like that.

13:08 Um, and I think it's the first marriage for both of us where we're allowed to speak those and explore them together. So that's kind of where, you know. And I think yeah, and I was I was gonna ask you, I think and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think as a therapist or coming from that kind of background, you have more of an eye opening or your brain is a little bit more open to situations like that and kind of breaking them down on like the why, right? Because a lot of people people think, well Like you said, he had that habitual thought of just ha you know, Yeah. sleeping with lots of women. And a lot of people think, Well, as a swinger, you know, that's why you're in it, because you get to sleep with whoever you want.

13:48 And that's not that's not the case, right? I mean, we a as a swinger for a long time, Right. No, not at all. Sure. that is not the case. But I think as a therapist, that probably gives you a lot of mind and thinking, Okay, well, I like this guy. Um, Hmm. Yeah. he likes this. Okay, well let's try this. We've already had sex, like let's let's see where this goes. And And I guess that's where the communication, like you guys started probably Mm-hmm. at a really good spot because the communication was really open and very For sure. Yeah. honest and be up front, which it takes a lot of people to get to It takes a lot of yeah, I mean Yeah, but we were together for I think 13, 12 years before we got to that point of just I could say what I wanted to say without and and wow, okay.

14:30 and and or even saying like this: I didn't care what he thought, I was gonna tell him what to do, Mm-hmm. right? And it finally came. to the point where I was nothing's really changed honestly. Yeah. We finally we finally got to a point where okay I am happy with myself I don't care if we if you we would only like play in the same room and I had to meet Yeah. who he was gonna play with. Now I'm at the point you know we got to a point where it's like I don't care who you have sex with. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Please you're not leaving me. That's I'm amazing. yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're not going anywhere. That's not true at all either but you who cares who I have uh sex with she's she's got a hand in who I have sex with literally uh I don't get my feelings hurt anymore.

15:11 I don't feel insecure. And that's I think you guys But I think that's a huge part. I think that's a there's good and bad to both being in this relationship for thirteen years and then exposing yourself and then being in this relationship of like, I know everything about you now it's time for me to accept it. And I kind of am just jumping on board because there Yeah. is that long relationship of building trust and building you know, there's more there. And so when it's kind of fresh, when you're like We're married three years. Yeah. There's definitely still some like there's some aftercare. Insecurity, jealousy. for sure. Yes. There's some aftercare that There has to be. I mean needs to be had after playing or discussing what's gonna happen or X, Y, and Z. You know.

15:57 Yeah. Yeah. That's that that's a really good point 'cause it is. It's a very I don't know, the lifestyle is really it's complicated. It's very complicated. Yeah. Yeah. It could be for sure. And I think that's what like from outsiders looking in, they just see it as I guess what the way I would view this as a detective back in the day is sexual deviancy, right? It was just some form of sexual deviancy. You can't control yourself, Yes. like all this stuff. Yeah. I think that's why I bit beat myself up so much about it, was because I viewed myself as a sexual deviant. And then you get into it with somebody that you love and trust, and you get to know. a side of them that they've never showed anybody else before in their lives that they've haven't really even spoken aloud about themselves, you know? And so you get that intimacy that comes with it.

16:41 And then the aftercare that comes after it of like, hey, did you like that? What were some things you like? What are some things you dislike? What's some things we can change for next time? What do you desire now? And stuff like that. So it's just this it's a lot more, it's not just going out and having sex with other people. It's growing closer together through this experience. Yeah. And not denying Ethics. her yeah, and deny yeah, not denying her of the things of her being her true self and me my true self and just feeding and loving on one another that in in that aspect, you know. So it's been real fun, Yeah, you know, it the way it's been real cool. you guys are exploring it now is is is ethical uh as opposed to sexual deviancy, Yeah. Right. which revolves around you know, a lot of unethical ways.

17:23 Uh and and Yeah. that's I think really something that that I try to bring up in a lot of our shows is what we are doing is ethical because we're all consenting adults. Yeah. Right. We all communicate better than most monogamous relationships do. And, you know, people I totally agree. Yeah. just don't seem to understand that when they're on their the outside. looking in and they're going, Right. well you're just you're just using this as an excuse to go have sex with so many people, blah, blah, blah, blah, Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. blah. And it's like, no, we're actually sharing something way more than that. And it does ten times more for our relationship than what most people would. Christians. I totally agree. and the community itself is you're not gonna find more real, authentic, kind, caring people than people in this community.

18:09 I mean, we consider ourselves So true. very religious, and even some of those people are quick to turn their back on you and stuff like that. Where here you you tell you share the struggles, like how we met, a lot of people get turned off by that story. Um Me almost like committing suicide. Yeah, that's that's everybody's just like, Hey, I'm glad you're Yeah. still here. Glad you're like all that stuff. So it's yeah. It's a Well, call, you know, I mean I I was in the seminary. I was in training to be a Catholic priest. Yeah, I I remember hearing about that. So, you know, I I've Yeah. I've done my whole soul searching with uh Yeah. religion. Now we are not religious now. Um, but Yeah. we have done shows about religion and its intersection with non-monogamy.

18:50 And I think that this is a really important angle of your story. Because currently, I mean, you guys are very, very involved in the church, yes? I mean, Sure. Yeah. or or well, I wouldn't maybe not very Maybe that's a little traumatic, Yeah, no I mean we we definitely go on Sunday. but you guys are involved in the church. Yeah. Okay. Um, you're Right. Yeah. you're involved, uh you're teaching Bible class. Um Yeah. one one thing that that was a struggle for me, and I'm kind of curious on your on your own opinions on this. Um, but Mm-hmm. for the struggle for me from a religious standpoint was I feel hypocritical being at church and hearing what they're telling us to abide by, knowing what I do in my personal life goes against most of what they're saying.

19:32 And so it became like an internal struggle for me. Yeah. how do you navigate that yourself or how do you feel about all of that? Oof. that's a hard question. I I don't know. For me, it's one and knowing who who my Lord and Savior is and knowing that he is loving and he is forgiving, right? People on this earth, like there's only one person that's gonna judge me in the end. Yeah. And at the at the end of all that, like, hey, like me, love me, whatever. It it doesn't really matter. The people that love me know who I really am and the people that are know what my end goal is, with which is to obviously, you know. continu continue to spread Jesus throughout this world and kind of go from there. But yeah, so it's just Yeah, Yeah. I like that.

20:15 I mean I think there's an internal struggle. I mean I think that's natural when we're in this lifestyle just because of you know the religion stuff. I mean, yeah, even outside of the religion, right? Like when you're sharing your husband or sharing your wife, you're thinking like, Ooh, is this right anyway? I know that you've had you've you've Yeah. had that com and you're like, Are we are should we be doing this? you know? I was like, Is this morally right? Right. Yeah. Right. Well, you almost second guess it. And I kind of think it's because it's just societal norms that we've kind of grown Yeah. up with. You know, and the same thing with religion. It's what we're taught. It's what we preach. It's, you know, and I really think about this when it comes to like our children and our family. Like I'm a Christian because I want to teach my children to be good people and to be loving and kind.

21:03 But I will also teach my children within your marriage you have a special bond and it is for you guys to explore, you know, and that's just how I believe our marriage to be. And I hope my kids believe that one day too, you know. Yeah. That was very well put. I like that. That's a really good that's a really good way to think. I do have to make a clarification on one thing though, is I've never Okay. never felt bad anything sharing with my wife. Like it is one of the hottest in the world. yeah, you know, and I and I can I can agree with you on that 'cause I share that Oh yeah. That is yeah. aah the the hot wife kink is is is a s it's hot, dude. You yeah, you I mean i and you know there's a there's so many people that are involved in the in religion and are swingers.

21:53 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like and that's really why I wanted this story to to be focused on because It even though it may not feel like it at times, it kind of feels a little isolating because you've got your foot in two different communities. And what most Yeah. Sure. people don't realize is a lot of them in this community have their foot in both communities and Yeah. they're they're trying to keep that balance and they're trying to be discreet and then all of a sudden, bam, they're at the club and somebody that they taught Sunday class with walks in. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? like we've been told stories like that, I can't imagine. Yeah. you know? ever happened to y'all? Okay. Oh, No. Well, you teach children, so hopefully not.

22:33 I meant but like at your church, Not yet. Not yet. like can you imagine if somebody like you know the you're you know, not not the kids. Yeah. Stop it. No, not yet. But something very weird has recently happened. Like we were out to eat the other day and a guy wrote me and he's like, my gosh, we just saw you at the restaurant and blah blah blah. Like my god, that was our first out, like seen out, you know, and I like, gosh, I had kids with me. Like it's just it's just odd, you know. But isn't it not isn't it cool there's respect? They know they know that you're yeah. There is cool. There is. He totally yeah. I mean I I go to the store and people Mm-hmm. Yes, difference. be like, I saw you on Reddit and I'm like, Well you didn't really see me. Yes, all the bits. You didn't see me, You're welcome. Yeah.

23:13 so Yeah, no. We've had I've had a few of those and it's like, That's hilarious. That's great. shit. Yeah, that's pretty much how I text her every morning. I'm like, Yeah. Yeah. uh I saw you on Reddit. I saw you on Reddit. Before you woke up. That's right. So therapists, okay, y'all y'all were talking. What brought Hi, honey, I want to be a swinger. Let's try this. Yeah. Like how does that first conversation even happen really? Like who brought it up? This is my favorite thing to ask couples because Right. Well. it's like who brought it up? What was the initial reaction? How did this even come about? Like Well let me to preface this, there's gonna be I think two sides to this, but I want to hear his his first.

23:54 Ha ha ha. I think so I definitely brought it up first. I know that. I brought it up and to me it was like, hey, you know who I am, you know my struggles with it. It's something that I've always fought with, but I always feel like it's a part of me. I also know how how you are and how freaky and sexual you are. Uh. And I want to hear your deepest, darkest desires. Let's get close. nothing's off limits. And I mean, it took a minute for her to kind of because I think in any type when It always does. you when you are so in love with each other, like she is my person in ever in this life, every life, whatever spirituality you believe in, in every timeline, we are together. So when it comes when you know that that's your person, and I think sometimes that it just you're scared to hurt them.

24:41 And for me Yeah. and her, like, I was like. Just asking all the questions, all the most uncomfortable stuff. Like, what's the biggest dick you've ever taken? Like all all the different stuff, Yeah. right? Because it's all like, yeah, it's all to me, it's all hot. It I love it. so I think that spurred on the conversation. Well, yeah, well, you're trained as a therapist. My therapist mind is already like, this is going somewhere. I already know what to do. I think that's your that's your therapist, I already know Yeah. Right. Yes. your mom mind, your therapist mind, your woman. I mean, we Yeah. just we go into like what the fuck does he want now? What is he gonna tell me? Yes. And I mean, I think I mean it lines up.

25:22 Like I totally agree. Yeah. He brought it up first. He wanted to swing. I wasn't opposed to it because I mean to be very like frank, like when we have sex, it's hot and it turns me Yeah. on. I'm like, oh, I know other people are gonna be turned on by this. So let's first go like Just let people watch, you know, and then it turned into, well, what if we play, you know, and like what if we full swap? And um, and little by little we just collected experiences and but I mean to go back a little bit. but when he was going through like moving out here and stuff, he I don't know if I should say this, sorry, but But he was very clear. He was like, No, I want my then ex-wife and I want you.

26:11 And I was like, Well, you've lost your fucking mind. But I was it was like what I didn't understand. But that right there was like the first clue to you want multiples, and this might be kind of like long-term ish, you know? And so By then we weren't married, we weren't really together. but it always kind of stuck in the back of my mind like this is kind of who he is, and I'm not gonna dabble in that unless I'm okay with who he is. Mm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Right. That's good, You know. thank that's smart. yeah, thankfully for me, you're right. Like in therapy he told me everything. So I kind of got to see inside before I committed, which was like kind of beneficial. Um And you're still here. I mean that that goes to show you that And I mean that I think that's what makes this this relationship.

26:57 like I can say that I've been with so many people in my life, right? But I've never been actually seen, accepted, and truly loved Yes. on this level. You know, like you can't I mean, my previous marriage, I cheated and we're again divorces, right? So I mean it's here I'm able to just be myself, be accepted for it. She's able to be part of yeah. And be honest. And be honest. The transparency. Yeah. And like when you have a foundation built on honesty, it's yeah. The transparency is everything. Yes. It's I think that that has made it because there's been times where we've swung and we're like, okay, let's pause. Right. Okay, now we're ready to go back. I mean, it's been over the years where we have finally now we're at a point where we kind of know each other's rhythm and if we're feeling it right now, if we're not feeling it, you know, it takes years to build upon that transparency, It I think.

27:44 it takes a long time. Like I I'm a very jealous territorial Yeah. Wow. Okay. person. Like I am. I am ex I'm a very jealous person. I'm very territorial. I'm um when it comes to swinging, I my I I think that's where my feelings get hurt more. Yeah. Yeah. when he does something than anything else. Like he can he he never passed, but he can call me something and tell me something and I'm like I can fight back. But when it comes to swinging, I just I kind of get I Yeah. used to get really small. Like, Yeah. I can relate to that, yeah. ooh, you know? Um yeah, I I am pff way past that now, but I mean Well I mean so Well. we started a long time. We started out as swingers.

28:26 We were swingers i initially in the very beginning and that was before we really discovered the the fullness of the community. Yeah, and the and the way to communicate with each other. Yeah, sure. Like Yeah. And so then we we had friends who were also polyamorous. They explained that to us and I was like, Oh okay. boy, you know what? I think I'd like to give that a shot. And so we did Yeah. how that gone. So I did enjoyed it. To a point. Yeah. Um, but Right. the point was where she made sure I didn't enjoy it. I did. I I it we we did we went at it all wrong. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. uh Like that was what, ten years ago? Yeah, it's been about ten years ago. About ten years ago, right? So then now where we're at, like I said, I'm still a very jealous person, but I tell him when I'm jealous.

29:13 I'm like, ooh, you did that and that kind of made me a little like jealous. So we'll talk about it. And now buy her Whataburger and it'll be fine. Yeah. I know that the jealousy is my I know it's from my insecurity. It's nothing that he did intentionally. It's me, right? So I I've learned that part. and territorial, if I don't like somebody, I just don't like somebody. There had there be no reason at all. Like I just don't like them. Yeah. And I tell him that and I'm like, sorry, you can't you can't fuck. Sorry, that's one woman you're not gonna be fucking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. and of course it's disappointment, right? He's like, Damn, I Sir really wanted to. I'm like, well, I guess if you want to, go ahead. But I've already said it, he's not gonna do it. Right. No, once it's in my head, Yeah, yeah. forget it.

29:53 so now we talked about Polly. Like it's it sounds good, it sounds fun. Yeah. Yeah. With the right people. With the right people. Is it something we're gonna do or you know, if it pops up, it pops up. I'm okay with that now. I'm also okay with it is. Yeah. Right. It's see it's like building blocks. It's like dipping toes and dipping them out. Yeah. For I feel like Well, it's been fifteen years, yeah. So we've we've been in this non-monogamous center for a while. Yeah. And going Mm-hmm. from swinging to poly to just open relationship has been a lot of different experiences. We've learned a lot about us on the way.

30:34 We've learned Yeah. how to communicate better. we thought that we brought a lot of really good communication to the table when we first started dating. Yeah. Right. Um And it turned out we did not know what the hell. You had no idea. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah, no. And he's my person. Like you said, she's your per he's my person. Like, you know I know there's nothing that I can we're the only ones who can break this. Like s you know, Yeah, yeah. like we are the only ones who can fuck this up. Mm-hmm. Nobody else, you know, I I and to get to that point took took a while. Mm-hmm. It took the podcast. It took a it took a podcast. We've had a lot of therapists on here, girl. Yeah. This is your personal therapy, yeah, I bet. Yeah. Yeah, we we have we talk about our whole life, our entire Mm.

31:18 relationship on this show. And on top Yeah. of all that, we have a lot of sex therapists, relationship therapists, and they all come on here and they give us a free session. And I get little bits and pieces, right? I get little bits and pieces. Like this is the Yes, I'm like, Oh, okay, that makes sense. yeah, yeah. So I mean it is it is um it does take a lot to get to the point, but yeah, I'm she's come a long way. I'm still very Yeah. I'm still jealous. I love every bit about this community and I love this lifestyle because of the freedom of it all. Now, am I Okay. out having sex with somebody every single day? Hell no. As a matter of fact, it's quite the opposite. Right. Right. Um, but the the ability to know that I can pursue something I know I know.

31:59 if I want to or set something up, and it's just a matter of saying, hey, can is that cool? Is it cool if I put it on the on the calendar? Yeah, sure, whatever. that is what really gets me off. Not literally. but figuratively and Okay. it's it's that part of the entire lifestyle that I'm just like I really Yeah. Well yeah. really dig um and so she doesn't have to get jealous. I'm not having sex. Well yeah. And I was gonna say like this lifestyle, it could it it could bring jealousy, but there's also the flip side where it absolutely brings like an empowering feeling too. Like talking hell yeah. about like being able to say like, hey, can we go fuck someone else this weekend or like in a monogamous relationship you aren't there are certain things you can't say and that is one of them.

32:45 so this this lifestyle has definitely brought empowerment mixed with jealousy, because I'm there too. I'm I agree with yeah. that. But there's also like the kinks and the exploring each other and talking to each other and other women supporting you or whatever it may be, there is a lot of empowering aspects to this community. And I think that's a really cool part about it too. And where you guys are at now is do you have a really good I mean, a good community where you can you know, you have friends, like all of our friends are lifestylers. Yeah, yeah. we have one we have one couple that's not a lifestyle lives far away from us, Yeah. Well and well, but I don't know any regular people who so ultimately I think that's what we wanted to get at with this show is that being here in this specific part of Texas where we are, it's really hard to be yourself and to be out there.

33:35 So like the friends we have like get aside of us, like friends other firefighters get aside of us, the people from church get aside of us, the parents on Right. our kids' sports teams get aside of us. So we wanted to use this to kinda like, Hey, we're putting this out there. This is who we are and we're trying to build a community of like minded people around the area. Granted, we do have some. friends here that are really they're in the lifestyle or creators or whatever Texas wide, I mean Texas is the case may be. Yeah. I a very, very large community out here. It is yeah, so but just uh yeah. Very large community. Um larger than most. I think the competing one would be California and Florida. You know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's very large. Right. I didn't know that. Wow.

34:16 Yeah. I mean, coming from Vegas, it was very much. I mean, you looked on every corner and you're like, oh, you know, out here Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a little bit more difficult to find um just like minded people, but yeah, we'll find them. I think because of the, you know, being in the Bible belt here too, it takes a lot of people to get to get to that point where they're okay with being themselves with not being Mm-hmm. the guy you see at church on Sunday with Not being judged. the Ned Flanders voice, like, Hey, I'm so glad you're here, bud. You know, so it's just uh yeah. You know, it's it's they're all different forms of masking every community that you go to, Right. but when you come to the lifestyle community you realize you can say and be whatever you want, and it's relatively Okay.

34:57 judgmental, at least out loud, uh and when they judge they'll do it internally. Uh now, there is a part that I wanna hit up before anything else. Yeah. Content. Hold on, hold on. We need to tell you guys about Three Fun first. yeah. Okay, so Three Fun is the app. You guys know the app. And if you don't know, it's for couples and singles who want to connect with like minded people. And it actually works. Like we're not just saying that. It's easy. It's low pressure and it's way less awkward than trying to figure it out on your own. Way less. We're gonna leave it at that. Yep. Download three fun. The link is in the show notes. Okay. Where were we?

35:38 Yeah. You guys Yeah. are starting up uh uh some some content. Yeah, can can you get into that with us? Yeah. Right. Yeah. So well I think yeah. So I do I I'm on what what? do content. Yeah. Yeah. So and I'm just starting mine out now. but ultimately it was, hey, we're sitting here, we're texting back and forth with this couple and the lifestyle, we're sending videos, photos, whatever the case may be, right? we loved always loved being watched. I think like we go to local lifestyle club here, but We go there and we get in on that big circle bed that's elevated so everybody can watch us and be a part of it. So we're like, hey, this is something that we love to do.

36:20 Yeah. And I think the old saying is if you do something you love, you never work a day in your life. Right. So we were like, hey, maybe let's just, you know, baby number seven on the way, Christmas coming up. Let's let's get this thing started, right? Like let's see where this takes place. Why not? Okay, so so so content. Let's utilize all of our resources. Yeah. OnlyFans, Only fans? Okay. I mean Fansly I mean I've kind of plugged into all of them at this point. We're building. Yeah. So yeah. I love it. I love it. Okay. Well it it in and it takes time for sure. It's fun. It's ultimately a weight. Yeah. For sure. I think Yeah. it's more so along the lines for us. It's like a hobby of like just as Yeah. of right now. Hey, we get to just have fun.

37:01 Sharing ourselves, Yeah. meaning ourselves. See, our ours is more of an exhibitionist thing. We love to put on a show. Yeah. And so yeah. Yes. Um and that's part of the hotness of us going and playing at at the club. We our home club is Club Eden in San Antonio. Okay. Okay. And and so we're always in the middle beds in front of everybody and that's the exhibitionism uh in us that that Mm-hmm. yeah. and so when we have our only fans going like that's that's one of the hottest things. That's really where where we enjoy it, Yeah. Yeah. I I really enjoyed you know. Um but it does take reading the comments and the and the DMs and stuff. A lot to build. Yeah. Like that is awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that's that yeah, that's very hot. Yeah. So so okay, so OnlyFans. I mean our you know, content. That's that's pretty that's pretty out there.

37:47 And is it is it's faceless content? Yeah. oh Yeah, is it faceless or is it No no we just I mean so we're kind of like yeah, full send If this takes off, it takes off. And how I mean, how cool that we get to stay home Yeah. and have sex every day doing this. I mean, that would be amazing. But if not, it doesn't take off, then it's a little hobby and it's it'll take off. It's still fun. If we're found if we're found then we better find a interesting niche to get it to take off. So we'll There you go. see. Well, y and so i here's here's the the less fun part of this conversation, and this is the part that always drove me nuts, is that there are a large amount of people in the community who will say, You're OnlyFans creators, you're not real swingers, you're just doing you're you're getting out there to to put and we've heard it about ourselves and our platform and you're Station.

38:40 just doing this for uh, you know, OnlyFans and stuff like that. I'm like, I I wish. I wish. I mean if I have Yeah. I have OnlyFans, but I am so fucking lazy. Like, I I'm I'm so lazy. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. uh Like, I have subscribers that they're probably so subscribing because they just forgot. Like, seriously. Um, and that's fine. Yeah. I'm I'm I'm a very lazy person when it comes to now. I love doing it. Yeah. I love putting on a show. I I love money. Like showing people. Yeah, I know. I mean, you know, I l I and when people say, Well, you're a swinger and you're doing that w I I like the money. I don't give a shit if it's a Yeah. swinger or not. It's usually not a swinger paying for my shit 'cause they can get it for free. So like it's like Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

39:21 I'm not cad I don't even I don't even like it's to like I don't even poach them. Like I'm like I don't even need y'all to look. Right. I think Like here's the thing with swinging in OnlyFans. I think I finally was okay with doing in OnlyFans because I have felt confidence through the swinging community. Now before I'd be like, no, I'm not showing my vagina to anyone. Like that's gross, you know, like, but hello, when we're swinging, that's what this is about. Where I'm getting out there, I'm taking other people's dick. I mean, so you might as well watch it, Yeah. Yeah. And you might as well pay for you know? So it's not it. I love it. Yeah, it's not that I'm not a swinger, it's that I finally build up the confidence to be like, fuck it, go ahead, you know. So that's my perspective.

40:02 Yeah. Yeah. Amen. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. oh Yeah. No, and that's that's a really, really good perspective. You know, it it that argument has always driven me crazy because frankly, No. we are Uber Swingers and like I said, we we do have our only yeah, you know, and and yeah, which is a little bit. but you know, really the like you said, the only fans, we're not we're not doing this to to really get our only fans going. We're we're enjoying ourselves. Right. Yeah. And if there's somebody who's content creators who are also swingers, which there's a Mm-hmm. Yes. lot of us, um, and they go, Hey, you guys like you guys want to play, but you guys also wanna, I don't know, set up cameras? Fuck yeah.

40:45 oh Dude, you know, and and it just works out. Right. yeah. Yes. And are you kidding? We get to enjoy ourselves and we can make money off of this on our platforms. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think when when we for sure. Uh first launched this too, there was like the creators that you like do stuff with and you're like, hey, we're gonna set up cameras and then you get so hot and into the scene, you're like, all right, you know what? We're not like that footage will never be released because that's just Yeah. Yeah. for us, you know, like or it's amateur footage and people love it because it's true swinging or it's true hot wifing and it's great. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah. Exactly. I mean honestly when I look up porn, I look for the real stuff. We look for the amateur. If it looks Yes. Yeah. even possibly staged, I'm like, dude, this sucks. Moving on. I I'm more girl and girl. Turn off. Yeah. Yeah.

41:26 I love I I I love the lifestyle because I love I mean I love Dick, but I love women. Like that's me. There's a key there. Yes, they're gorgeous. Like I am all about tits and ass and pussy and like I like I just women I totally agree with you. Yeah. Yeah. are beautiful, right? So that's that's that's that's where I go to on OnlyFans. That was like your that was like your sexual I have a dream speech. I love it, yeah. I love it. oh My goodness. Woo take it easy there. Sorry. Yeah, I can feel the heat from your vaginal area. Take it easy now. Yeah, so you know, I just I just wanted to get your take on that. I I felt like that was really important to visit because it's something that we Yeah. always talk about often, you know.

42:07 we don't have our content as as high as Mm-hmm. as some of the others in this niche. But yeah. also we are we're very real on the community and that sort of thing. And that's that's really what I want to bring to people's attention is that just because you have an OnlyFans does not mean that you're You're not a swinger. 'cause there's a lot of us out there, Right. Yeah. Yeah. you know, that we do this for enjoyment, you know. For sure. And I think your podcast does a good job at bringing to light like just because we're swing swingers, we're moms, dads, workers, Yeah. We are regular people. firefighters, whatever it may like swinging, I think, yeah, it has such a bad like whatever about it, but it's yeah. It's a bad connotation. It's it's like this uh this rain cloud that's over it from from people who are on the outside.

42:53 Yeah. And what what what's hilarious is most of us as couples in the lifestyle have stronger relationships, better relationships and communicate more than Yeah. Right. the people that are judging us from the outside. Most of them are cheating and normalizing that. Yes, yeah, for sure. And it's like that's not a normal thing. Like that's those toxic ways. Mm-hmm. are toxic. Like you shouldn't be celebrating that, Yeah, you know? to kind of piggyback off of what you were saying is that yeah, with the relationship just being stronger, and I mean Even talking to friends and stuff, they'd say they have porn that they're hiding from their wife or whatever the case may be, right? And it's like, Heights? yeah, how do you how is that considered a stronger relationship than like, hey, I want to see my wife in a gangbang and tell her about it?

43:40 like that's way up to me, that's way more healthier than me kicking on some porn, imagining it's my wife and then lying to her about it. Like front row seat now, Yeah, you're literally sitting there in front of her watching her do it. yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're a fan. You're you're the only fan. Picking like helping her pick the guys. You're the only one that matters. That's okay. That's right. Mm-hmm. We're here, she's not only my wife, my person, my everything, my my best friend, Yeah. Mm-hmm. she's also my favorite porn star. So I mean it's just she literally wears all the hats. Right. You know, from a parental It's a big job, yeah. standpoint though, 'cause we have five kids but we had Yeah. four that were in the household at the time that we were, trying to navigate through this.

44:22 Logistically Uh it tended to be a nightmare. How Sure. how Yeah, I mean 'cause y'all have How Well so I know I know y'all must It is. Yeah. Yeah, not I'm an and this is me assumption. You must not have all living with you. sure. Correct. No. So yeah, Okay. Okay. So the we ha we did because we he ended up getting custody of his kids and I had mine. So we had Okay. Yeah. them. How like how the fuck? Yeah, how did you do that? I don't know because it's nearly you would have to I don't I don't know. But the only full Yeah. time children we have is the baby between us and this next one. Okay. Yeah. So like my kids from my first, we see 5050 in the week, you know. So there's some days where we have just Right, right, right. Yeah. each other and our daughter here, and then his children will visit on breaks and stuff like that, because they're primarily in a different state.

45:09 So Right, right. so it's only chaos and certain points of the year for us. And there's obviously we we have to take some breaks. Take a little break. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. being in Texas though, I'll tell you, is so hard because we don't have family out here. So babysitters and trusting people to be able to go do s to go do date nights and stuff is like nearly impossible. Especially working the second I worked. Yeah, especially for a a detective. Yeah, like yeah. Yeah. Like it's yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say for a detective and a therapist, forget it. Yeah. Y'all are y'all are never gonna find a babysitter. Yeah, I I hear even kids saying I know. Yeah, it is hard. I hear kids even saying they're playing hide-n-seek and I'm nope, you guys aren't playing hide-n-seek That's where it all happens. Yeah. So I I yeah. You're not doing it. You know, like it's correct. I know. Yeah.

45:50 I grew up with my my mom and dad always or my mom and and my aunts telling me, you don't play hide and seek with your cousins. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like you don't play hide and seek with your cousins and you don't sit on your uncle's like yeah, so I totally understand. What advice would you give to say your neighbor, your neighbor came to you and was like, hey, With you know, we live in the same same kind of community. What advice would you give I want to be a swinger. I want to start. I'm scared. Um Yeah. Yeah. how do I tell my how do I tell my wife that I want to be How do I have that talk? Right. Yeah. How do I have that talk? Um, I think it I think ultimately if they're coming to you, you want to ask some questions first, right? I wanna find out the intent behind this, because if your intent is just to be the person I used to be and just chase dopamine hits and use women to boost your ego or to kind of like feed off their like happiness, right?

46:47 Then this isn't the community for you. That's not what that's not what this is. That's not what it's ever gonna be. so finding out intent is huge. and then asking them just to be transparent. Like, all right, so you say you want to do this, but tell me why, what's your intent, and then tell me what it is about it that has piqued your interest. And then there we can kind of filter through like their true, true meaning, true selves, and then kind of just Give them that outlet and know, like, hey, we've gone through stuff, we've we've done stuff, like we're in this community, like we're as you guys can see, we're an open book about everything. Yeah. Yeah. Like if you want to know anything about us, we're free to share. I'll share my darkest moments, my highlights, it doesn't matter.

47:30 So if you got questions, just give them that space to come to and yeah. Yeah, I think that's that is cool. Just like the people were for us, So but Yeah. someone coming from like I think for him it was easier to be like, I don't want to live in secret anymore. So I I have no choice but to tell you, hey, I want to swing. You know, like it was playing for him. But for someone who wasn't in the lifestyle or didn't cheat prior to him and stuff like that, it was very like I could picture that husband wanting to go tell the wife, and I mean, like, that's not gonna go. No, he's sleeping on our couch. Right. And so and so from somebody who had That's not you know scary. the experience that you had, how would Yeah.

48:10 you how would you coach someone who's maybe going, Mm, you know, my husband just told me this and I don't know how I feel about it. Yeah. I don't know how to how to come out with this. Like what what do Yeah. I do? I have like two responses. Don't jump in, but then come over and he'll suck your tits and we'll be fine. Ha ha Like there's two responses. Like I think don't jump in because if you jump in, it could I mean there's gonna be some turmoil. Like there's turmoil that you're gonna have to work through. You know, there's some trust things that are on a totally different level that you have to work through. But also let loose have fun, be yourself, and then Do some aftercare and you'll figure it out.

48:56 I think there's a lot of like just trust your gut, trust yourself and have fun, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I love i exactly. Um and then you see where it goes. And if it doesn't go well, then don't do it. You know, but if it goes well, have fun. It's so enjoyable. I love that you both of y'all have mentioned the aftercare part so much. Yeah. That is so important. we did a whole show on it. We we yeah, we've done a show on that because I really didn't think it was important or I didn't What happened? categorize it as an aftercare thing. it was more of a reclaiming type of thing and it's really more okay. of an aftercare. Yeah. And I so I I Yeah. like that connection. Yeah.

49:36 Yeah. That's so pretty. It's like little hearts. For sure. Yeah. I think the reconnecting is it like I love it. it is huge. if we were to go swing and swap, then coming home and being intimate, I think is important. Or conversating or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah. Totally. Like oh you know, it is huge. It is. Totally. Yeah, it is. And he would call it reclaiming too. He thinks that's hot. So yeah. That's Well so and and his mindset. for us because we we play solo as well as together, uh so Okay. if I go uh with Mm-hmm. somebody before I go, she has to have sex with me. Yeah. And so Yeah. I always refer to it as pre claiming and then mine is mine is reclaiming. Well that's a lot.

50:18 Yeah, he's when she comes home. And yeah, yeah. So like it's and then I'm like, go shower before you even come back to me. Like this is we're not doing this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah. And for him, he's like, no, come over here. Very different. yeah. Yeah. Two very, very different. We had this one we had this one experience where like uh I think that was my mindset. Like I want to pre-claim prior to you going and doing something else. And then Yes. it ruined the whole night because now he's coming and now he's like, fuck, I can't get hard and now let's just fucking leave. Oh yeah. Like a house party situation where there was some like Adult beverages and swinging every I mean everyone swapping and I'm like, No, we're fucking first. We we kicked it off. Yeah, you better come and then he was like, Well fuck, now I'm done. I'm like, We've done that. yeah.

51:00 this is it's fun. Yeah, yeah. I I mean I'm lucky. so there's a there's a show uh that we did um with uh some hot guy. We had Cooper Sterling on the show, and he actually has researched this. And when I told him I was I told him I said, I can come and I can keep going. I can stay hard. Okay. and this is something that I've always been able to do. So I can go multiple rounds. Um Yeah. And and so I always assumed I assumed that every one of us was like that. And so I'm talking okay. to this guy and he kind of lights up and he goes, Do you realize that you are like very rare? bless. Yeah.

51:41 That's a very rare thing. And he says, I have done studies over this because you're missing something, right? it's the refractory yeah, like the re Yeah. interesting. Yeah, the refractory period is what they call it. Yeah. And so w the the thing in in me that is supposed to spurn that, I don't have it. And so so I literally Yeah. can come and in a s another stroke keep going and Yeah. and you know, go go a few rounds. I was gonna say you have a marathon night. So Yeah. So That's right. So yeah, that's that's basically it it goes the the preclaiming it luckily doesn't doesn't hurt me. Um but yeah, Doesn't stop the other stuff, yeah.

52:22 and so my my night is still so good to go. So I like that. Not me. Sometimes it's it's come, eat a Reese's Pieces and go to bed, you know. Same thing. That's the way it would be for her. Yeah. Same. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I I'm I'm a very and I I say this but we've talked about it before. I'm very submissive, so I'm like, Yeah. Okay, all you gotta do is just tell me you want to She's very submissive with me, but not with anybody else, which is funny. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. Um, so yeah, she can she can be she can have a migraine. Like and I don't Yeah. I really try not to I'm like, I'm okay, like I'll take care of myself and she's like, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, just come over here and put it in and I'm like, okay. I'll lock up when I'm done, you know? oh But you know, that I mean that's we've been together for so long that that's that's kind of how we you know, and and so we we we start our day with sex every morning like that I wake her up with a an alarm like that's my dick I so at I wake up Yeah. With someone knocking on the back door.

53:22 at five I wake her up at five thirty and and so that's basically Yeah. how that and it sets the tone for the entire day you know um and and Yeah, yeah. I I think that our sex life at home it makes our sex life outside of home um Yeah. Very possible. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Like we're not lacking anything. We're fully fulfilled. Yeah. Yeah. We're fully satisfied. And so now we get to have experiences with others that Yeah. we know won't affect what we have at home. And I it is. Yeah. For sure. It's like a cherry on top almost. I agree. And I feel like when we're having sex in the in the swinging world, we have more sex at home. Yeah.

54:02 Yes. Or even like talking about it, I don't know. But I think it's quicker. right? Like talking about it Yeah. is like, we don't have to go out. We we just talked about it. We're good. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes we'll we'll Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. be getting ready to go out and then we'll have sex. We'll come and we'll be like, you know what? Like we'll just do it. Yeah, we're Let's just stay home. We're done. We're good. good. That's right. That's funny. Let's pop some popcorn and watch some TV. Give me that race's pieces and I'm gonna go to bed. I'll be like, I need two more rounds and then you can go to bed. So what I love about today is that you two are proof that the lifestyle doesn't look one way. It's a detective and a therapist. It's a Bible teacher Yeah, that's it. and a firefighter. It's people sitting in church on Sunday. And you know, it just goes to show you community is not about who can show their face. It's about how we take care of each other.

54:46 Yeah, that's very true. So Kole and Bella, thank you so much for trusting us with your story. We definitely appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, thank you for having us. Like when we participate. Yeah. And we're glad that you guys could be here and maybe maybe we can get you guys back on the show at some point in the future check in, see how you guys are doing. for sure. Yes. Yeah. And to everybody listening, if this episode hit home, do us a favor, hit that subscribe button, leave a review, and share it with someone who needs to hear it, because you know that they're not the only one. And as always, head on over to beyond-monogamy.com Every episode is there, plus our blogs and our merch. And of course we have that one hundred percent anonymous confessional.

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