Our First Swinger Experiences: Everything We Did Wrong

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All right, y'all.

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Before we dive in, a quick heads-up

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This show is raw, real, and
definitely not rated PG.

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We're talking about adult themes,
sexual content, and the kinda stuff you

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probably don't want blasting through your
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So grab some headphones, pour your
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Oh, and just so we're clear,
we are not licensed therapists,

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counselors, or sex couches.

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Sex coaches.

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Sex coaches.

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Not sex couches.

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We're just a couple of people sharing
our lives, experiences, and sexy

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adventures in ethical non-monogamy.

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So with that, pull up a
chair and enjoy the show.

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Hello and welcome to another
episode of Beyond Monogamy.

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I'm Adam.

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And I'm Pris.

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And today's episode, we're diving
into a confession that came

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straight from you, our listeners.

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Okay.

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If you've got something on your
mind, you've got a question, a story,

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something that you're wrestling with
maybe, that's exactly where this goes.

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And this is exactly what
happens when you leave it.

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We read it.

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We talk about it right here on the show.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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Well, let's go ahead
and get into this one.

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All

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right.

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Now, this one's from a couple who's
just getting their feet wet in the

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lifestyle, so I'm gonna read it.

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Okay.

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It says, " We are enthusiastically
entering into the lifestyle and

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have gone to several club events but
haven't played with another couple yet.

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We are in the early phases of
talking with other couples.

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My wife is wondering what your
first few experiences were like

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for you and how that differs from
when you play with partners today.

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We would like to know how things started
and progressed into play in the beginning,

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and if that's changed over time."

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Ooh, okay.

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I like this one.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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This is a good one.

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This is a good one to sit with.

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So-

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Yeah

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…
um, right off the bat- And
we're gonna, we're gonna get

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right to the nitty-gritty of it.

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Uh, because when we first started, all I
had to go on was stories from your past.

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Yes.

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Which as, uh, the, the horny little
devil dog that I was, uh, I was

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very turned on by your stories.

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Yeah.

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So I remember when we, we talked
about it for a whole year before we

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even decided to start doing this.

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We did, yeah.

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We were… You, I told you my stories,
and you got excited and, and- Yes … I

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was contemplating if I wanted to-

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Yes

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…
proceed that kind of life with you.

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Yeah, the ball was really in your
court, but I was really pushing for it.

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Um-

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You were very pushy.

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I was, I was.

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I really wanted to get those experiences.

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I was jealous that you
had them and I didn't.

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Yeah.

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Uh, so we… And this is something that
we've never, ever talked about on the

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show, but, uh, before we got started-

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Mm-hmm

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…
um, we had talked about it and
talked about it and talked about it,

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and I felt like we were in a place
where we could start exploring.

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Now, looking back on it now, I realize we
were not in the same mental- No … space.

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No, we

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were not.

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Um, and so we ended up throwing a
Halloween party at our house, um, and

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we had a lot of friends come over.

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Yes.

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And there was a girl there who I thought
was attractive- Mm-hmm … more attainable

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than anything else, if I'm- Mm-hmm

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being real here.

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Um, I was like, "Oh, you know, she
seems open. She seems easy. I, you

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know, she kinda knows that this is
something that we're, uh, interested

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in." So, uh, she got there, and mind
you, we had been drinking already.

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Mm-hmm.

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L- we were throwing a
Halloween party at our house.

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We had all sorts of libations there,
and we had already started drinking.

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And so I was just excited to get started.

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So I guess I had my arms around
this chick or something like that,

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and that kind of left you sour.

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But it wasn't something
that we had talked about.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, and so as the night went
on, it stayed with you And we

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continued to drink, we continued to
drink, and we continued to drink.

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Uh, and then there was a, there
was a couple there who just so

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happened to be our first couple.

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Mm-hmm.

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But not at that time.

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Uh, we, they were friends of both of
ours from a very, very long time ago.

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Right.

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And she was very flirty, and
she was very flirty with you.

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And so I remember we were all in
the kitchen, and we're seven sheets

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to the wind, all three of us.

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Mm-hmm.

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And she's there straight up
fucking flirting with you,

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'cause you looked hot as fuck.

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And she's there in the kitchen, and she's
flirting with you, and it, she's like,

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"Oh, you know, well, I'm into girls."
And you were like, "Well, you know what?

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I'm into girls." And so the
two of y'all were like, "Well,

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let's go to the bedroom."

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And I'm right there, so I'm like,
"Hell yeah, let's go to the bedroom,"

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thinking that I'm a part of it.

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Yeah.

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So then we go to the bedroom, the three of
us, where you two proceed to start making

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out, and I got pushed out of the room.

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Uh, I got pushed out of the room,
and, uh, you were kinda like…

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Uh, granted, you were drunk-

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Yes

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as I, a- as I was- Yeah … as well.

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And you pushed me out of the
room, and you were like, "No,

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this is for me. You need to go."

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Mm-hmm.

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And you pushed me out
of the room, and I left.

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And I went outside for a little while, and
there was stuff going on inside the house.

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Now, knowing what I know
now, I know that I like that.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I liked it then, but I was sitting
outside processing it and the way it

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went down, and I was very confused
because I didn't… I knew that I liked

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it, but I was confused by it because I
hadn't really labeled that I liked it.

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I didn't really know.

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Right.

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And so I'm just getting upset.

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Well, then I ended up, uh, going in
there and breaking up the little love

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fest that you guys were just starting
to get into, and then she walked out,

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and you and I, that was one of the few
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a major argument about the lifestyle.

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Mm-hmm.

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Uh, and we were both drunk.

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And now that was a part of the problem.

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Now, I, we don't ever really talk about
this because it was really our first time.

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We were both not knowledgeable about this.

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Yeah.

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At all.

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Um, we didn't handle things
properly because there was a

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lot of lack of communication.

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We were on two separate
levels, and we were both drunk.

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Mm-hmm.

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And none of those things are good things-

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Mm-hmm

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uh, especially when you're
starting out in the lifestyle.

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So I listed all of those things out
very importantly because all of those

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things are boxes that you need to
check to make sure that those are

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not things that are accompanying
you in your first experiences.

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Oh, for sure.

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Like- This is,

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this is something you gotta
talk about … you need to be,

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you need to be a sober bird.

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Yes.

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Um, and I think after that, we decided
that if we were gonna play, one of us,

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we both had to be At least, we were
still drinking, so we couldn't get drunk

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Yeah, we had to put some,
some boundaries on that.

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We had

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to put boundaries, and so, um,
and then we knew not to play

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with anybody who is drunk.

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Yeah, we had to really, really
keep ourselves in control.

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Mm-hmm.

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And we had to make sure that
the people that we played

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with were in control as well.

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Uh, but we learned a lot
from that experience.

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Now, I will tell you, we did
not talk about that experience

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for a couple of years.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, it took a while for us to feel
comfortable enough to even talk about

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that, because we both felt horrible
about what we did to each other.

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Um, you know, I unknowingly did
something to hurt her feelings,

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and so in retaliation of that, she
did something to hurt my feelings.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, and it was one of those
things where we both learned

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so much from that experience.

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I would hope that nobody
else has that experience.

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Um, but I will say that was
really the start of me going, oh,

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this is, this is not like that.

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Yeah.

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This is not like what I thought-

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Yeah

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…
it would be.

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You know?

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I… It, it was kinda like the first
time that we were, you know, we were

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talking about doing the lifestyle,
and that we, we were talking

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about y- how you were into women.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then we were at the trade
center, and I was like, "Hey,

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check out this chick's ass." Yes.

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And you got pissed off at me for-
Yeah … checking out this girl's

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ass, and I was like, wait, I thought
that's what we were doing here.

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I was like, "No."

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So that's, those were the, the…
That was the year that I really

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started figuring out, well, you
and I are on two- Two different

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different wavelengths.

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Yeah.

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We're on two pages.

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Yeah.

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And I really had to slow my roll down
to figure out where, where we were on

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that.

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Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

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Um, so that took some doing.

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That, that was our very, very
first experience, non-experience.

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Yeah.

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Um, nothing happened outside of, uh,
I think you got fingered a little bit.

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You made out with that, with that chick.

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Uh, but outside of that, nothing happened.

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Mm-mm.

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Um, and so that was something that
we discussed, and we discussed

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over, and over, and over again.

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And I honestly thought after
that experience that we were

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not gonna pursue it anymore.

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I thought that was gonna be the end of it.

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Yeah.

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Um, and then you had talked to me
about things, and you were like,

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"You know, we can, we can try and
do this- Yeah … the right way."

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Yeah.

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"
We just need to talk better.

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We need to be better for each other."

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Yes.

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Um, and so that made sense.

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Yeah.

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So I knew that there was a lot of
things that I had to figure out,

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that I was wrestling with because…

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A- and I'll, I'll tell you this.

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Um, there's a lot of, I mean, y- you know
this, there's a lot of toxic masculinity-

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Yeah

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…
um, in and out of the lifestyle groups.

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00:09:53,826 --> 00:10:00,426
Uh, because I, it took me years to be
able to say out loud that I love to

247
00:10:00,426 --> 00:10:02,736
watch my wife have sex with other men.

248
00:10:02,836 --> 00:10:03,166
Mm-hmm.

249
00:10:03,466 --> 00:10:09,886
It took me years to be okay with saying,
"Yeah, that's what I'm, I'm into."

250
00:10:10,136 --> 00:10:13,236
And what I realized is there's a lot of
guys who were into that sort of thing.

251
00:10:13,456 --> 00:10:13,596
Mm-hmm.

252
00:10:13,636 --> 00:10:15,806
And so it made it easier.

253
00:10:15,806 --> 00:10:20,486
But I remember e- like even being in
the lifestyle, you know, people would be

254
00:10:20,486 --> 00:10:23,226
asking me, and I'd be like, "Yeah, like,
you know, I'm kinda into it." Because

255
00:10:23,996 --> 00:10:27,886
they label, they label everything cuckold.

256
00:10:28,226 --> 00:10:30,116
People don't know what
cuckold actually means.

257
00:10:30,176 --> 00:10:30,606
Yeah.

258
00:10:30,656 --> 00:10:36,236
And so they, they give it this derogatory,
uh, tone, and they label anything that

259
00:10:36,236 --> 00:10:39,056
seems less than masculine as cuckold.

260
00:10:39,056 --> 00:10:39,426
Mm-hmm.

261
00:10:39,426 --> 00:10:41,776
"Well, you're just, you're
just a cuck." Mm-hmm.

262
00:10:41,776 --> 00:10:43,556
"Aren't you just a cuck?"
And it's like, well-

263
00:10:44,276 --> 00:10:45,016
In a bad way

264
00:10:45,076 --> 00:10:48,436
…
mm, no, but what, uh, do you
even know what that means?

265
00:10:48,626 --> 00:10:48,786
Yeah.

266
00:10:48,786 --> 00:10:49,066
Like,

267
00:10:49,066 --> 00:10:52,646
I, I think most people who throw
that around in a do- a derogatory way

268
00:10:52,676 --> 00:10:53,976
don't even understand what that means.

269
00:10:53,986 --> 00:10:54,466
Yes.

270
00:10:54,466 --> 00:10:54,706
Yeah.

271
00:10:54,706 --> 00:11:00,166
Um, but it's one of those things where
I was wrestling with that back then.

272
00:11:00,176 --> 00:11:01,476
Like, I-

273
00:11:01,846 --> 00:11:03,066
Like it was a bad thing

274
00:11:03,066 --> 00:11:06,806
or it was a- Yeah, like, and so
the, the feeling inside of me that,

275
00:11:07,106 --> 00:11:09,526
that came up during that Halloween-

276
00:11:09,606 --> 00:11:10,066
Mm-hmm

277
00:11:10,596 --> 00:11:13,106
was a very… Like I said, I went outside.

278
00:11:13,276 --> 00:11:13,526
Mm-hmm.

279
00:11:13,576 --> 00:11:15,276
Uh, I left you in the room.

280
00:11:15,336 --> 00:11:16,316
I went outside.

281
00:11:16,326 --> 00:11:18,696
We were all outside, and everybody
was smoking and everything.

282
00:11:19,326 --> 00:11:23,006
Um, and I remember just sitting there,
and people were talking to me, and I was

283
00:11:23,006 --> 00:11:27,884
kinda laughing, and I was sitting there
and- It could have gone one of two ways.

284
00:11:28,014 --> 00:11:28,594
Mm-hmm.

285
00:11:28,604 --> 00:11:33,504
If I was more experienced, that uneasy
feeling in my stomach, probably I

286
00:11:33,504 --> 00:11:37,054
would've realized, "Hey, this is
a turn-on for me, and I'm kinda

287
00:11:37,054 --> 00:11:40,064
wondering what's happening over there,
and I can't wait to hear about it."

288
00:11:40,194 --> 00:11:40,484
Mm-hmm.

289
00:11:40,524 --> 00:11:41,544
Which is pretty much me now.

290
00:11:41,884 --> 00:11:42,214
Right.

291
00:11:42,404 --> 00:11:47,424
But because I didn't understand those
feelings, I didn't know where to put them,

292
00:11:47,444 --> 00:11:49,494
I didn't know how to l- categorize them-

293
00:11:49,524 --> 00:11:49,784
Mm-hmm

294
00:11:49,984 --> 00:11:55,274
uh, and I had never experienced anything
like this before, it went the wrong way.

295
00:11:55,304 --> 00:11:55,644
Mm-hmm.

296
00:11:55,954 --> 00:11:59,514
And I felt very machismo.

297
00:11:59,524 --> 00:11:59,544
Yeah.

298
00:12:00,014 --> 00:12:03,574
I felt very, "This man
has been disrespectfit."

299
00:12:03,774 --> 00:12:04,134
Yeah.

300
00:12:04,224 --> 00:12:05,734
"
Been disrespected." Yeah.

301
00:12:05,734 --> 00:12:10,824
And, and he needs to go in there, and
he needs to get this shit straight.

302
00:12:10,994 --> 00:12:11,654
You know what I mean?

303
00:12:11,854 --> 00:12:13,084
Which was, it was stupid.

304
00:12:13,304 --> 00:12:15,354
It was very, very, very
dumb way of thinking.

305
00:12:15,354 --> 00:12:20,420
But There's a lot of people who
start out and they don't know

306
00:12:20,420 --> 00:12:21,870
how to interpret that feeling-

307
00:12:22,030 --> 00:12:22,530
Yeah

308
00:12:22,890 --> 00:12:24,050
…
that they have inside of them.

309
00:12:24,330 --> 00:12:27,750
I mean, it's, it's a, it's
a, it's, it's jealousy.

310
00:12:28,030 --> 00:12:29,350
It's je- there's jealousy

311
00:12:29,350 --> 00:12:29,410
there.

312
00:12:29,420 --> 00:12:31,450
It's, it's, there's jealousy and, and-

313
00:12:31,830 --> 00:12:34,000
And we automatically think
that that's a bad thing.

314
00:12:34,060 --> 00:12:38,030
And you have to control, you have to
figure out why you have that feeling.

315
00:12:38,430 --> 00:12:38,690
Yeah.

316
00:12:38,690 --> 00:12:41,530
Um, because it's not your partner's fault.

317
00:12:41,950 --> 00:12:45,560
It's, it's no one's fault, but it is your

318
00:12:46,340 --> 00:12:46,850
problem.

319
00:12:46,860 --> 00:12:47,940
They're feelings to navigate.

320
00:12:47,940 --> 00:12:48,550
It's your… Yeah.

321
00:12:48,550 --> 00:12:51,950
It's your, it's your feelings,
so you have to figure out

322
00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,020
how to navigate through them.

323
00:12:53,020 --> 00:12:53,680
Yeah, yeah.

324
00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:54,950
They're feelings to navigate.

325
00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:54,990
Mm-hmm.

326
00:12:55,220 --> 00:13:00,410
Now, when you came up to me afterwards,
and this was a good while afterwards, but

327
00:13:00,410 --> 00:13:03,920
you were like, "You know, I think that
we can do this the right way. Let's give

328
00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,450
this a shot again. We'll give this a try."
And so we talked about it more and more.

329
00:13:07,450 --> 00:13:08,010
Mm-hmm.

330
00:13:08,010 --> 00:13:11,230
And, uh, and then I decided,
okay, I really need to see how

331
00:13:11,230 --> 00:13:13,740
I'm gonna react to you- Right

332
00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:14,210
being with somebody.

333
00:13:14,260 --> 00:13:14,510
Right.

334
00:13:14,550 --> 00:13:16,610
That, that to me was the
most important thing.

335
00:13:16,630 --> 00:13:18,320
I needed to see how I was gonna react.

336
00:13:18,610 --> 00:13:24,010
Because before you, the very, very, very
first time that I ever had any kind of

337
00:13:24,010 --> 00:13:27,650
a hot wife feeling, and I, I think I
might have told you this, but it was

338
00:13:27,650 --> 00:13:29,530
towards the end of my first marriage.

339
00:13:30,490 --> 00:13:31,530
The marriage was over.

340
00:13:31,810 --> 00:13:33,360
It was the last year I was there.

341
00:13:33,370 --> 00:13:34,100
Mm-hmm.

342
00:13:34,110 --> 00:13:39,020
But I had these dreams of
catching her fucking another man.

343
00:13:39,070 --> 00:13:39,510
Yeah.

344
00:13:39,740 --> 00:13:41,650
And me standing in the doorway watching.

345
00:13:41,650 --> 00:13:43,710
Now, I was not attracted
to her by this time.

346
00:13:43,710 --> 00:13:45,090
I was actually kinda disgusted with her.

347
00:13:45,100 --> 00:13:45,380
Mm-hmm.

348
00:13:45,380 --> 00:13:47,740
As most people who get
divorced end up being.

349
00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:54,810
Um, but that particular scenario played
out in a dream, and it really caught my

350
00:13:54,810 --> 00:13:58,840
attention because I remember sitting back
going, "What the fuck does that mean?"

351
00:13:58,930 --> 00:13:59,330
Mm-hmm.

352
00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:00,430
It turned me on.

353
00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:00,880
Yeah.

354
00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,280
And I came to that thought.

355
00:14:02,300 --> 00:14:02,500
Mm-hmm.

356
00:14:02,950 --> 00:14:05,090
Um, and I was like, what does that mean?

357
00:14:05,110 --> 00:14:08,840
And then I experienced it more with you
when we started going through the whole-

358
00:14:08,850 --> 00:14:09,170
Yeah

359
00:14:09,380 --> 00:14:10,050
…
uh, swinging thing.

360
00:14:10,260 --> 00:14:10,480
Yeah.

361
00:14:10,860 --> 00:14:17,830
So that first experience, we, we
fou- we, we got into the communities.

362
00:14:17,830 --> 00:14:20,160
We kinda reached out to different
people, and we were gonna see if

363
00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,000
we can get a guy over to the house-

364
00:14:22,020 --> 00:14:22,420
Right

365
00:14:22,510 --> 00:14:23,180
to be with you.

366
00:14:23,210 --> 00:14:23,530
Yeah.

367
00:14:23,820 --> 00:14:27,210
I think we were on something
like Three Fun, SDC,

368
00:14:27,210 --> 00:14:28,000
uh- No, it was, it was a-

369
00:14:31,750 --> 00:14:32,110
Adult Friend Finder … it was

370
00:14:32,110 --> 00:14:32,140
AFF and SLS.

371
00:14:32,140 --> 00:14:32,150
Yeah.

372
00:14:32,150 --> 00:14:32,370
And so- Yeah, Swing Lifestyle and,
and Adult Friend Finder … we found a

373
00:14:32,370 --> 00:14:36,360
single guy there, and, um, you set it up

374
00:14:37,276 --> 00:14:37,736
I did.

375
00:14:37,736 --> 00:14:42,376
Well, you s- you, you seemed a
little, um, interested by the pictures

376
00:14:42,526 --> 00:14:43,146
Yeah

377
00:14:43,196 --> 00:14:46,466
And, uh, he was a, he was a muscular dude.

378
00:14:46,466 --> 00:14:48,606
He c- I was like, "Okay" … he
definitely got his gym time in.

379
00:14:49,066 --> 00:14:52,926
Uh, he wasn't a bad-looking guy and, and,
uh, we chatted up with him a little bit.

380
00:14:53,456 --> 00:14:57,866
And I said, "Okay. Well, I guess let's,
let's see if, let's see if this can work."

381
00:14:57,866 --> 00:15:01,426
So- Yeah … we invited him over to the
house when we had the, an empty house.

382
00:15:01,606 --> 00:15:01,866
Mm-hmm.

383
00:15:02,086 --> 00:15:05,676
And, uh, do you remember how you
were feeling leading up to it?

384
00:15:05,676 --> 00:15:06,746
Did, were you nervous at all?

385
00:15:06,746 --> 00:15:08,186
I'm sure I was nervous.

386
00:15:08,196 --> 00:15:08,216
Yeah?

387
00:15:08,226 --> 00:15:10,856
I was always super insecure about my body.

388
00:15:10,956 --> 00:15:11,446
Really?

389
00:15:11,466 --> 00:15:11,836
Like, super insecure.

390
00:15:11,846 --> 00:15:16,006
Now, how about as far as
play for our first time?

391
00:15:16,016 --> 00:15:18,746
Um- Were you nervous about that at all?

392
00:15:19,166 --> 00:15:19,806
Yeah.

393
00:15:19,836 --> 00:15:20,226
Really?

394
00:15:20,336 --> 00:15:20,906
Yeah.

395
00:15:20,926 --> 00:15:22,336
We had never really talked about that.

396
00:15:22,336 --> 00:15:22,716
Yeah.

397
00:15:22,946 --> 00:15:27,496
Um, I know I was nervous, but I
was nervous for the sheer fact

398
00:15:27,506 --> 00:15:28,776
that there was no going back.

399
00:15:29,146 --> 00:15:29,316
No.

400
00:15:29,596 --> 00:15:29,886
Yeah.

401
00:15:29,926 --> 00:15:33,246
So I was like, "Okay. No matter
what, I'm not gonna unsee this."

402
00:15:33,306 --> 00:15:33,666
Mm-hmm.

403
00:15:33,926 --> 00:15:36,316
Um, and either I'm gonna like
it or I'm not gonna like it.

404
00:15:36,316 --> 00:15:36,536
Yeah.

405
00:15:36,536 --> 00:15:40,146
And if I don't like it, this could
be the end of our relationship.

406
00:15:40,186 --> 00:15:41,646
Like, I'm really taking a chance here.

407
00:15:41,666 --> 00:15:41,946
Yeah.

408
00:15:42,006 --> 00:15:43,816
But, you know, it's one of those
things where you can't get rich

409
00:15:43,836 --> 00:15:44,936
working for somebody else, you know?

410
00:15:44,936 --> 00:15:46,246
It's high risk, high reward.

411
00:15:46,256 --> 00:15:46,526
Yeah.

412
00:15:46,776 --> 00:15:49,226
And so I was willing to
put that on the line.

413
00:15:49,226 --> 00:15:52,016
I was willing to put our relationship
on the line because something

414
00:15:52,016 --> 00:15:53,196
told me I was gonna like it.

415
00:15:54,316 --> 00:15:57,696
Something as in the experiences and
thoughts that I had previous to that.

416
00:15:57,696 --> 00:15:58,006
Yeah.

417
00:15:58,226 --> 00:15:58,576
Yeah.

418
00:15:58,586 --> 00:16:01,356
So I said, "I gotta
figure this out." Mm-hmm.

419
00:16:01,366 --> 00:16:02,606
"We gotta, we gotta check this out."

420
00:16:02,616 --> 00:16:02,646
Mm-hmm.

421
00:16:02,656 --> 00:16:06,306
So the guy finally comes over Nice dude.

422
00:16:06,866 --> 00:16:07,006
Very nice.

423
00:16:07,016 --> 00:16:09,676
Had, had a, had good
small talk conversation-

424
00:16:09,676 --> 00:16:10,056
Yeah

425
00:16:10,386 --> 00:16:11,456
…
uh, in the room.

426
00:16:11,606 --> 00:16:12,146
Yeah.

427
00:16:12,286 --> 00:16:15,196
Um, and I remember-

428
00:16:15,196 --> 00:16:16,496
I used to get super nervous

429
00:16:16,826 --> 00:16:18,246
…
you were, you were nervous- I

430
00:16:19,716 --> 00:16:20,643
used to giggle … and he was nervous.

431
00:16:20,643 --> 00:16:20,965
Yeah, I used to giggle.

432
00:16:20,965 --> 00:16:21,222
I, I get nervous.

433
00:16:21,222 --> 00:16:25,986
So I remember the two of y'all standing in
front of each other, and he was nervous.

434
00:16:25,986 --> 00:16:30,036
He didn't know what to do, and you
were just like, "Well, you wanna get

435
00:16:30,036 --> 00:16:33,756
started?" And you just kinda went in, and
before you know it, bam, you guys were

436
00:16:33,756 --> 00:16:35,276
making out right there in front of me.

437
00:16:35,536 --> 00:16:35,566
Mm-hmm.

438
00:16:35,596 --> 00:16:41,326
And I was like, "Whoa." Uh, you
know, you get flooded with emotions.

439
00:16:41,356 --> 00:16:43,546
Like, it, you get flooded
with all sorts of feelings.

440
00:16:43,546 --> 00:16:44,326
You do, yeah.

441
00:16:44,376 --> 00:16:47,836
And y- you know, it makes you flush,
and your heart beats fast, and your

442
00:16:47,836 --> 00:16:51,266
stomach is kind of, you know, you
feel the little butterflies in there.

443
00:16:51,686 --> 00:16:53,686
And it's like, I d- I, I'm processing.

444
00:16:54,766 --> 00:16:56,406
I'm watching and I'm processing.

445
00:16:57,336 --> 00:16:59,576
And, and I'm hard.

446
00:16:59,846 --> 00:17:00,266
Mm-hmm.

447
00:17:00,276 --> 00:17:01,456
But I'm processing.

448
00:17:01,516 --> 00:17:01,746
Mm-hmm.

449
00:17:01,776 --> 00:17:04,986
And I'm watching you make out with
this guy, and I know that you're a

450
00:17:04,986 --> 00:17:06,666
great kisser, and I love kissing you.

451
00:17:06,676 --> 00:17:09,666
Mm. So then I'm watching you kiss this
guy, and your hands are starting to

452
00:17:10,206 --> 00:17:13,816
go all over the place, and his hands
are starting to explore your body.

453
00:17:14,116 --> 00:17:17,006
You know, you're only wearing
panties and a, a little shirt.

454
00:17:17,086 --> 00:17:17,306
Mm-hmm.

455
00:17:17,516 --> 00:17:21,976
And you guys are making out, and before
you know it… Like, I felt some type

456
00:17:21,976 --> 00:17:26,516
of way just watching you guys, uh,
kiss, but then there was a moment

457
00:17:26,526 --> 00:17:29,216
where you started grabbing at his dick-

458
00:17:29,416 --> 00:17:29,826
Right,

459
00:17:29,896 --> 00:17:30,206
yeah

460
00:17:30,256 --> 00:17:30,616
through his pants.

461
00:17:30,656 --> 00:17:30,986
Yeah.

462
00:17:31,606 --> 00:17:37,636
And seeing that took that feeling
that I had and made it 10 times worse.

463
00:17:38,796 --> 00:17:40,976
I was like, "I'm in a daze here." Yeah.

464
00:17:41,016 --> 00:17:43,326
"I don't know, I, I don't
know what's happening." Um-

465
00:17:43,326 --> 00:17:43,596
Yeah.

466
00:17:44,256 --> 00:17:51,148
And then we I think I was, I think I
was looking at you every now and then

467
00:17:51,278 --> 00:17:55,148
Yeah, you would look at me every now and
then Because You disconnected back then

468
00:17:55,188 --> 00:17:56,538
Yeah, I would disconnect.

469
00:17:56,548 --> 00:18:02,768
I would just be… I would, um, remove
myself mentally from that situation.

470
00:18:02,828 --> 00:18:03,228
Yeah

471
00:18:03,258 --> 00:18:10,848
I kind of wanna say it is probably
the same kind of thing that somebody

472
00:18:10,858 --> 00:18:13,268
who is getting assaulted does.

473
00:18:13,638 --> 00:18:13,998
Yeah.

474
00:18:13,998 --> 00:18:16,198
I've, I've heard it compared to that
Not that I was getting as- assaulted.

475
00:18:16,198 --> 00:18:17,468
I was not getting assaulted.

476
00:18:17,488 --> 00:18:22,748
I was just in my brain removing
myself from the situation.

477
00:18:22,748 --> 00:18:23,898
So I wasn't enjoying it.

478
00:18:23,908 --> 00:18:27,108
And then he didn't…
He wouldn't get hard.

479
00:18:29,988 --> 00:18:30,788
He struggled to get hard.

480
00:18:30,788 --> 00:18:32,448
Yeah And I was like, "Oh my goodness,
is, is it me?" And so then, um-

481
00:18:32,888 --> 00:18:35,068
What we realized was that he was-

482
00:18:35,068 --> 00:18:36,038
He was just nervous, right?

483
00:18:36,038 --> 00:18:36,688
He was nervous.

484
00:18:36,718 --> 00:18:36,738
Yeah

485
00:18:36,748 --> 00:18:37,728
But I didn't know then.

486
00:18:38,048 --> 00:18:43,318
And I ended up making out with you.

487
00:18:43,498 --> 00:18:48,098
Yeah, so, uh, well, s- he wanted to bring
me in, so I watched you guys for a while.

488
00:18:48,098 --> 00:18:48,578
Yeah.

489
00:18:48,728 --> 00:18:49,088
I think

490
00:18:49,088 --> 00:18:51,538
he wanted to And straight up,
like I was, I was standing there,

491
00:18:51,538 --> 00:18:54,185
and I was, I was pulling at it
while I was watching you guys.

492
00:18:54,185 --> 00:18:55,288
Yeah 'Cause I was like, "Oh, my God.

493
00:18:55,328 --> 00:18:59,668
This is, this is incredible." Yeah
"This is hot." Um, that's kind of where

494
00:18:59,668 --> 00:19:01,378
I realized, "Okay, I'm liking this."

495
00:19:01,388 --> 00:19:01,728
Yeah

496
00:19:02,178 --> 00:19:05,838
Uh, and so I was watching, and
I was recording 'cause, uh-

497
00:19:05,848 --> 00:19:06,148
Yeah

498
00:19:06,738 --> 00:19:07,428
Was I recording?

499
00:19:08,228 --> 00:19:08,588
Maybe that was a different one.

500
00:19:08,588 --> 00:19:08,938
Not that one.

501
00:19:08,998 --> 00:19:09,318
Not that one, huh?

502
00:19:09,348 --> 00:19:09,688
Yeah.

503
00:19:10,058 --> 00:19:12,568
But anyways, I was watching
you guys, uh, standing up

504
00:19:12,568 --> 00:19:13,518
while you guys were on the bed.

505
00:19:13,518 --> 00:19:13,778
Yeah

506
00:19:14,018 --> 00:19:18,218
And I remember him specifically, he
was struggling to get hard, struggling

507
00:19:18,218 --> 00:19:19,488
to get hard, struggling to get hard.

508
00:19:19,778 --> 00:19:21,718
So then he finally tells me, "Hey, man.

509
00:19:21,718 --> 00:19:23,348
Why don't you come in
here and help me out?"

510
00:19:23,368 --> 00:19:23,588
Yeah

511
00:19:23,978 --> 00:19:24,438
Like with you.

512
00:19:24,458 --> 00:19:29,128
Yeah And I was like, "Okay." So I
remember you started getting me involved.

513
00:19:29,128 --> 00:19:30,098
We started making out.

514
00:19:30,618 --> 00:19:33,568
Um, before you know it, you and I-

515
00:19:33,628 --> 00:19:34,278
I'm riding you

516
00:19:34,308 --> 00:19:35,168
…
you were riding me.

517
00:19:35,288 --> 00:19:35,578
Yeah

518
00:19:35,618 --> 00:19:39,628
And that, I guess, turned him on
enough to stand up, uh, on the

519
00:19:39,638 --> 00:19:42,588
bed, and you basically gave him
head while you were riding me.

520
00:19:42,598 --> 00:19:42,938
Yeah

521
00:19:43,008 --> 00:19:45,098
Now, that sent me over.

522
00:19:45,628 --> 00:19:46,208
That was it.

523
00:19:46,298 --> 00:19:48,228
Like, I couldn't last any longer.

524
00:19:48,538 --> 00:19:49,628
She was riding me.

525
00:19:49,668 --> 00:19:54,528
I have this view of her going down on this
guy, uh, right above me, and forget it.

526
00:19:54,528 --> 00:19:58,516
I came But of course I have that thing
where I can stay hard, so I kept on-

527
00:19:58,526 --> 00:19:59,876
Right … you know, I kept on going.

528
00:19:59,876 --> 00:20:00,076
Yeah.

529
00:20:00,616 --> 00:20:04,656
Uh, but once he realized, yeah,
I, I was done, he was like, "Okay.

530
00:20:04,666 --> 00:20:07,036
Well, I guess, you know, we're
gonna go and wrap this up," and-

531
00:20:07,036 --> 00:20:07,266
Yeah.

532
00:20:07,266 --> 00:20:07,986
I was like, "Okay"

533
00:20:08,226 --> 00:20:09,536
…
and so he ended up leaving.

534
00:20:09,616 --> 00:20:10,036
Mm-hmm.

535
00:20:10,206 --> 00:20:11,706
And you and I

536
00:20:12,356 --> 00:20:14,306
had- Proceeded to go at
it for several hours.

537
00:20:14,316 --> 00:20:14,606
Yeah.

538
00:20:14,606 --> 00:20:14,626
Yeah.

539
00:20:14,626 --> 00:20:16,826
We, we fucked all weekend-
Yeah … off of that one.

540
00:20:16,826 --> 00:20:17,056
Yeah.

541
00:20:17,416 --> 00:20:19,816
Um, and possibly all week
off of that one as well.

542
00:20:19,826 --> 00:20:19,846
Yeah.

543
00:20:20,296 --> 00:20:26,776
Uh, but as we kinda came, you
know, a- a- after we had sex, we

544
00:20:26,776 --> 00:20:28,116
sat down and we talked about it.

545
00:20:28,596 --> 00:20:32,476
And that's where I realized that I had
to come back, 'cause it made me feel

546
00:20:32,486 --> 00:20:33,186
so- It took a while … yeah.

547
00:20:33,216 --> 00:20:36,156
And I had to, I had to have
sex with her to bring her back.

548
00:20:36,156 --> 00:20:36,536
Yeah.

549
00:20:36,766 --> 00:20:39,716
And it was almost like, and, and
it's like you said, it's, it's,

550
00:20:39,836 --> 00:20:42,906
it's that disconnect that people
when they get sexually assaulted,

551
00:20:42,906 --> 00:20:44,336
it's like they're just a vessel.

552
00:20:44,336 --> 00:20:45,926
They're not really a
part- Yeah … of that.

553
00:20:46,176 --> 00:20:48,606
And you did that for
a, uh, quite some time.

554
00:20:48,606 --> 00:20:48,666
I

555
00:20:48,696 --> 00:20:49,156
did.

556
00:20:49,166 --> 00:20:51,016
Uh- And I couldn't understand why.

557
00:20:51,406 --> 00:20:55,796
And then, um, I realized
that I just wasn't

558
00:20:58,226 --> 00:21:00,326
I wasn't really wanting

559
00:21:02,964 --> 00:21:05,484
I really wasn't wanting it
as much as you wanted it

560
00:21:05,764 --> 00:21:07,034
Yeah, especially back then.

561
00:21:07,044 --> 00:21:08,734
Looking back on it, obviously- Mm-hmm

562
00:21:08,734 --> 00:21:11,654
I think you, you did a lot
of these, uh, things for me.

563
00:21:11,694 --> 00:21:11,974
Yeah.

564
00:21:12,304 --> 00:21:14,328
Uh, so that I could get
my, uh, experiences.

565
00:21:14,328 --> 00:21:14,734
And I'm

566
00:21:14,734 --> 00:21:16,594
super insecure and super jealous.

567
00:21:16,864 --> 00:21:17,284
Yeah.

568
00:21:17,324 --> 00:21:22,234
And you know, that was the funny thing
was I knew that, but on… I, I felt like

569
00:21:22,234 --> 00:21:26,524
back then, I guess I was so blinded by
my want for these experiences, that I

570
00:21:26,554 --> 00:21:28,024
thought you were on the same page as me.

571
00:21:28,094 --> 00:21:28,364
Yeah.

572
00:21:28,364 --> 00:21:29,824
'
Cause you weren't outwardly saying this.

573
00:21:29,824 --> 00:21:32,044
Because I wasn't, I wasn't
vocalizing what I wanted.

574
00:21:32,044 --> 00:21:32,254
Yeah.

575
00:21:32,254 --> 00:21:37,014
I wasn't being transparent, and
I didn't really want to be…

576
00:21:37,044 --> 00:21:38,274
You were a different person.

577
00:21:38,944 --> 00:21:39,214
Was I?

578
00:21:39,474 --> 00:21:40,764
You weren't understanding.

579
00:21:41,314 --> 00:21:43,084
You were a very frustrated person.

580
00:21:43,234 --> 00:21:43,504
Oh, no.

581
00:21:43,504 --> 00:21:43,634
I wasn't.

582
00:21:43,634 --> 00:21:43,654
Yeah.

583
00:21:43,654 --> 00:21:45,854
Like, if I said I didn't wanna
do it, you would throw a tantrum.

584
00:21:45,864 --> 00:21:47,124
I was like, "Are you fucking kidding me?"

585
00:21:47,144 --> 00:21:47,504
Yeah.

586
00:21:47,504 --> 00:21:47,674
So, like- "I

587
00:21:47,674 --> 00:21:48,354
wanna do this."

588
00:21:48,364 --> 00:21:48,744
Yeah.

589
00:21:48,744 --> 00:21:49,024
So- "You're

590
00:21:49,264 --> 00:21:50,174
just being a jealous wife."

591
00:21:50,194 --> 00:21:50,444
Yeah.

592
00:21:50,454 --> 00:21:53,884
But see, that's, that was the hard
part, was I couldn't separate the two.

593
00:21:53,894 --> 00:21:53,914
Mm-hmm.

594
00:21:54,244 --> 00:21:57,394
I couldn't see that it
wasn't a jealous wife.

595
00:21:57,424 --> 00:21:57,794
Yeah.

596
00:21:57,924 --> 00:21:59,084
It was something else.

597
00:21:59,094 --> 00:21:59,864
I just wasn't ready.

598
00:21:59,874 --> 00:22:00,764
You weren't ready.

599
00:22:00,774 --> 00:22:01,114
Yeah.

600
00:22:01,114 --> 00:22:01,329
Yeah.

601
00:22:01,329 --> 00:22:04,374
Um, and I was like, "Dude, you've,
you've had all your experiences

602
00:22:04,374 --> 00:22:05,094
and you're holding out on me."

603
00:22:05,104 --> 00:22:05,374
Yeah.

604
00:22:05,734 --> 00:22:06,244
Uh, yeah.

605
00:22:06,244 --> 00:22:07,144
So obviously-

606
00:22:07,154 --> 00:22:08,924
Like, we've had… We had arguments-

607
00:22:09,014 --> 00:22:09,444
Totally

608
00:22:09,924 --> 00:22:10,594
…
about this.

609
00:22:10,614 --> 00:22:10,864
Like-

610
00:22:10,874 --> 00:22:11,264
Absolutely

611
00:22:12,874 --> 00:22:14,204
…
so I, yeah.

612
00:22:14,204 --> 00:22:18,624
And to, you know… In, in relationships,
somebody always ends up… I mean,

613
00:22:18,664 --> 00:22:22,014
we… Somebody always ends up bending.

614
00:22:22,024 --> 00:22:22,044
Yeah.

615
00:22:22,304 --> 00:22:23,834
And I alway- I always bended.

616
00:22:23,834 --> 00:22:26,534
And so it went like that for a long time.

617
00:22:26,534 --> 00:22:27,554
A really, really long time.

618
00:22:27,554 --> 00:22:28,414
First few years, probably.

619
00:22:28,424 --> 00:22:28,754
Yeah.

620
00:22:28,934 --> 00:22:34,564
Um, and then it got better, but then poly
came, and you know, that rollercoaster.

621
00:22:35,014 --> 00:22:35,034
Yeah.

622
00:22:35,484 --> 00:22:42,244
And then I think now is the, the, the best
swinging experiences I've ever had, so.

623
00:22:42,374 --> 00:22:45,234
Well, I think you kinda, you
kinda launched yourself forward.

624
00:22:45,244 --> 00:22:45,274
Yeah, yeah.

625
00:22:45,274 --> 00:22:46,764
We're still talking about our early days.

626
00:22:46,764 --> 00:22:46,784
So…

627
00:22:47,074 --> 00:22:47,464
Well, yeah.

628
00:22:47,564 --> 00:22:48,944
I'm just saying, like- Yeah

629
00:22:49,084 --> 00:22:49,454
…
yeah.

630
00:22:49,454 --> 00:22:49,464
Yeah.

631
00:22:49,464 --> 00:22:53,404
Well, you know, I mean, that, that
first experience, seeing you with a

632
00:22:53,404 --> 00:22:56,294
guy- Brought out a lot … it brought
out a lot for me that was positive.

633
00:22:56,304 --> 00:22:56,594
Mm-hmm.

634
00:22:56,924 --> 00:23:02,924
Um, unfortunately, it was your first
of many guys that just did not work.

635
00:23:03,004 --> 00:23:03,524
Yeah.

636
00:23:03,744 --> 00:23:08,364
Um, which you already wanted- Yeah
… more women experiences than men.

637
00:23:08,364 --> 00:23:10,314
You were never really
into the men experiences.

638
00:23:10,324 --> 00:23:11,954
You primarily did that for me.

639
00:23:12,454 --> 00:23:16,964
Uh, and it seemed like almost every guy
that would, uh, show up couldn't show out.

640
00:23:17,024 --> 00:23:17,564
Yes.

641
00:23:17,714 --> 00:23:18,084
Yeah.

642
00:23:18,224 --> 00:23:20,664
And you didn't have a great experience.

643
00:23:20,704 --> 00:23:24,384
And so the great experience that
would take place would be what would

644
00:23:24,384 --> 00:23:26,274
ensue afterwards between you and I.

645
00:23:26,274 --> 00:23:26,449
Yeah, yeah.

646
00:23:26,449 --> 00:23:29,054
That was the only time- Yeah … that
you really had a good time, 'cause

647
00:23:29,534 --> 00:23:31,404
the guy would always disappoint.

648
00:23:31,424 --> 00:23:31,574
He-

649
00:23:31,644 --> 00:23:32,184
always.

650
00:23:32,204 --> 00:23:34,624
Like, it was never a good experience.

651
00:23:34,654 --> 00:23:44,154
And, um, we had a, we had, like you
said, a few- Jeez, did I even have any?

652
00:23:44,584 --> 00:23:46,434
It had, it, it wa- it was a while

653
00:23:46,434 --> 00:23:48,124
You know, maybe two- It was a
while … in the whole time.

654
00:23:48,144 --> 00:23:48,334
Yeah.

655
00:23:48,334 --> 00:23:48,354
It was

656
00:23:48,354 --> 00:23:48,724
a while.

657
00:23:48,724 --> 00:23:49,334
It took a while.

658
00:23:49,374 --> 00:23:49,674
Yeah.

659
00:23:49,674 --> 00:23:53,324
Now, you know that, that first
experience, it went well.

660
00:23:54,434 --> 00:23:56,154
Uh, it went well for me.

661
00:23:56,764 --> 00:23:59,414
Like I said, it took- Yeah … a
while to get you back.

662
00:23:59,534 --> 00:23:59,904
Yeah.

663
00:23:59,994 --> 00:24:04,234
But once you were back, we were able
to talk about things, and then we

664
00:24:04,234 --> 00:24:05,744
decided, "Okay, now it's my turn."

665
00:24:05,824 --> 00:24:06,154
Yes.

666
00:24:06,884 --> 00:24:10,294
Now let's set up a woman
to come be with me.

667
00:24:10,634 --> 00:24:10,704
Mm-hmm.

668
00:24:10,714 --> 00:24:12,154
And let's see how that goes.

669
00:24:12,174 --> 00:24:12,494
Mm-hmm.

670
00:24:12,544 --> 00:24:14,424
Uh, so there was this
girl that I worked with.

671
00:24:14,854 --> 00:24:18,844
Um, now a rule of mine,
don't shit where you eat.

672
00:24:19,424 --> 00:24:20,994
Uh, but back then, you know, when

673
00:24:20,994 --> 00:24:22,314
you're- And also, don't play with vanillas

674
00:24:22,604 --> 00:24:23,694
…
don't play with vanillas.

675
00:24:24,144 --> 00:24:28,084
Uh, but, uh, you know, when you're early
on, you're looking for experiences,

676
00:24:28,104 --> 00:24:32,774
this was somebody who exper- uh,
expressed interest and in both of us,

677
00:24:32,834 --> 00:24:34,484
and so I was like, "Mm, what the hell?"

678
00:24:34,484 --> 00:24:34,554
And

679
00:24:34,554 --> 00:24:38,334
really was doing it because her
husband had done it and cheated on her.

680
00:24:38,444 --> 00:24:40,784
This is true, and it was
done for the wrong reasons.

681
00:24:40,794 --> 00:24:40,944
Yes.

682
00:24:40,954 --> 00:24:44,914
Once again, checking
red fla- red flag boxes.

683
00:24:45,044 --> 00:24:45,434
Telling you.

684
00:24:45,474 --> 00:24:51,174
There was th- this experience was
also, on paper, not a good experience.

685
00:24:51,174 --> 00:24:51,374
Not a

686
00:24:51,374 --> 00:24:52,084
good experience.

687
00:24:52,084 --> 00:24:55,694
Uh, there was a, a lot of reasons why
we should not have gone for her, but

688
00:24:55,694 --> 00:24:57,834
we did because I wanted the experience.

689
00:24:57,834 --> 00:25:01,184
I needed to see how it was gonna be to
be with- Yeah … another woman, but

690
00:25:01,184 --> 00:25:04,974
I needed her to see how I, how it was
gonna be with another woman, right?

691
00:25:05,224 --> 00:25:05,424
Yeah.

692
00:25:05,464 --> 00:25:11,414
Um, all in all, a- and once again,
it happened on a, this one ha- this

693
00:25:11,414 --> 00:25:13,394
one took place on a Halloween party.

694
00:25:13,444 --> 00:25:13,671
It was my

695
00:25:13,671 --> 00:25:13,774
birthday.

696
00:25:13,774 --> 00:25:14,504
Was it your birthday?

697
00:25:14,534 --> 00:25:15,424
Yeah, someone's birthday.

698
00:25:15,454 --> 00:25:17,514
Uh, so some party that we- We threw a
lot of parties … threw at the house.

699
00:25:17,514 --> 00:25:19,154
We used to throw parties
at the house all the time.

700
00:25:19,654 --> 00:25:21,014
Um, vanilla parties.

701
00:25:21,024 --> 00:25:21,804
Vanilla parties.

702
00:25:21,814 --> 00:25:22,344
Yeah.

703
00:25:22,344 --> 00:25:22,524
Yeah.

704
00:25:22,524 --> 00:25:23,994
Uh, but she came.

705
00:25:24,084 --> 00:25:25,634
Everybody ended up leaving.

706
00:25:25,644 --> 00:25:29,614
She left with everybody, and when she saw
that everybody left, she called back and

707
00:25:29,614 --> 00:25:33,494
she was like, "Hey, uh, I was wondering
if you guys wanted to have some fun.

708
00:25:33,494 --> 00:25:34,214
I can turn around.

709
00:25:34,214 --> 00:25:37,564
I can head back." And I was like,
"Uh, yeah, let's do that." So I guess

710
00:25:37,564 --> 00:25:41,744
she went home, and she changed into
something sexy, uh, and then came

711
00:25:41,754 --> 00:25:44,224
back, and she was dressed in, like-

712
00:25:44,894 --> 00:25:45,354
Um-

713
00:25:45,374 --> 00:25:45,754
…
some boo-

714
00:25:46,124 --> 00:25:46,434
…
a bustier

715
00:25:46,534 --> 00:25:48,874
…
had a bunch of straps and ties- A bustier.

716
00:25:48,874 --> 00:25:50,868
Uh, a corset … and
all sorts of… My God.

717
00:25:50,868 --> 00:25:50,921
She had

718
00:25:50,921 --> 00:25:50,974
a corset.

719
00:25:50,974 --> 00:25:51,114
And

720
00:25:51,114 --> 00:25:53,854
so- I mean, it was sexy, but damn,
like, I was trying to get into it.

721
00:25:53,864 --> 00:25:55,864
I could not… Like, she was very chesty.

722
00:25:55,864 --> 00:25:56,604
Yeah.

723
00:25:56,604 --> 00:26:01,874
And I, I like chesty, and I couldn't
get a chest- Yeah … out of that thing.

724
00:26:01,884 --> 00:26:02,804
Like, it took a while.

725
00:26:02,964 --> 00:26:03,154
Yeah.

726
00:26:03,214 --> 00:26:05,014
Uh, but I remember she got there.

727
00:26:05,014 --> 00:26:08,234
We started making out, the, the two
of us, and then it was the three of

728
00:26:08,234 --> 00:26:15,410
us, uh, and we all had an immersive
experience that went well Until, uh, I got

729
00:26:17,490 --> 00:26:20,400
hard again and wanted
to go for another round.

730
00:26:20,410 --> 00:26:20,700
Mm-hmm.

731
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,970
Um, that was something that we
had not previously discussed.

732
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,950
It was something that had never
come up, and it was something that

733
00:26:29,230 --> 00:26:34,540
she had only, Priscilla had only
seen me do with her, was get hard

734
00:26:34,550 --> 00:26:35,740
and wanna go for another round.

735
00:26:35,740 --> 00:26:36,210
Yes.

736
00:26:36,740 --> 00:26:37,100
Um-

737
00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:41,020
So he proceeded to have
sex with this girl again.

738
00:26:41,660 --> 00:26:43,090
Without asking my wife.

739
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:45,210
I asked her, I asked the
girl that I was with.

740
00:26:45,210 --> 00:26:46,410
I was like, you know, like- "Can

741
00:26:46,410 --> 00:26:46,820
we go again?"

742
00:26:46,820 --> 00:26:50,030
… "
Can we go again?" And she was like,
"Yeah, sure." So I remember very

743
00:26:50,030 --> 00:26:54,120
specifically, I roll… 'Cause I was
on the side of her, I kinda rolled

744
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,790
her up and I got, uh, behind her.

745
00:26:56,820 --> 00:26:57,240
Yeah.

746
00:26:57,290 --> 00:27:01,570
And I started having sex with her doggy
style, and you were right there next to

747
00:27:01,570 --> 00:27:10,520
me, and the faces you made to me, um,
w- I would liken it to visual cyanide.

748
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,670
Like, if looks could kill-

749
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:15,260
Yeah

750
00:27:15,690 --> 00:27:17,390
…
I would have been incinerated.

751
00:27:17,410 --> 00:27:17,820
Yes.

752
00:27:17,930 --> 00:27:19,760
I would have lost my life-

753
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:20,040
Yeah

754
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:20,980
…
within seconds.

755
00:27:21,030 --> 00:27:21,180
Yes.

756
00:27:21,610 --> 00:27:23,440
Um, you were not happy about that.

757
00:27:23,460 --> 00:27:23,870
No.

758
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:26,960
And you were basically
like, "Hurry up. Hurry up."

759
00:27:27,180 --> 00:27:27,530
Mm-hmm.

760
00:27:27,580 --> 00:27:28,270
"
Let's do this."

761
00:27:28,340 --> 00:27:28,490
Mm-hmm.

762
00:27:28,530 --> 00:27:29,070
"
Finish.

763
00:27:29,580 --> 00:27:30,010
Hurry up."

764
00:27:30,130 --> 00:27:30,490
Mm-hmm.

765
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,280
Uh, so I was like, "Well, shit,
I'm already in trouble. I might

766
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,550
as well enjoy this one," you know?

767
00:27:34,980 --> 00:27:39,500
Uh, so I finished, you know, and, and, uh,
we played it cool until she left, and as

768
00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:41,960
soon as she left, boy, did we get into it.

769
00:27:42,190 --> 00:27:42,730
We did.

770
00:27:42,780 --> 00:27:45,970
Uh- Yeah … we had a long
discussion about that one.

771
00:27:45,980 --> 00:27:46,000
Mm-hmm.

772
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,100
Um, and it was one of those things where
it's like, that's when she discovered,

773
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:53,220
oh, this is something that he likes to do.

774
00:27:53,340 --> 00:27:54,850
He likes to do multiple rounds.

775
00:27:54,860 --> 00:27:55,060
Mm-hmm.

776
00:27:55,060 --> 00:27:56,370
This is something we
need to talk about more.

777
00:27:56,930 --> 00:27:59,260
Once again, a lot of time had to pass.

778
00:27:59,270 --> 00:28:02,570
Like, we didn't jump into our
next experience in between.

779
00:28:02,740 --> 00:28:02,950
No.

780
00:28:02,990 --> 00:28:04,970
There was a lot of downtime
in between experiences.

781
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:05,270
There was.

782
00:28:05,270 --> 00:28:05,420
We'd

783
00:28:05,420 --> 00:28:06,850
been in this for 15 years.

784
00:28:06,860 --> 00:28:07,430
Yeah.

785
00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:11,190
And so we took our time- Mm-hmm … before
we got into another experience.

786
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:11,440
Mm-hmm.

787
00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:15,580
So we saw how the first one played
out when we invited the single guy.

788
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,790
We processed and talked
about it for a long time.

789
00:28:18,790 --> 00:28:18,980
Mm-hmm.

790
00:28:19,370 --> 00:28:20,590
We brought in a woman-

791
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:21,110
Mm-hmm

792
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:21,990
…
to be with me.

793
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:22,204
Yeah.

794
00:28:22,204 --> 00:28:24,280
And we, we saw how that went.

795
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,300
We processed it.

796
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,260
We discussed it for a long period of time.

797
00:28:28,956 --> 00:28:33,076
And then we decided we wanted
to kick it up a notch and try

798
00:28:33,076 --> 00:28:35,156
a full swap, an actual couple.

799
00:28:35,366 --> 00:28:35,706
Yeah.

800
00:28:36,176 --> 00:28:42,366
Um, and the easiest thing for us was-
… the couple from our Halloween party that

801
00:28:42,386 --> 00:28:45,076
started it all from the very beginning.

802
00:28:45,506 --> 00:28:45,526
Yeah.

803
00:28:45,566 --> 00:28:49,806
And it was a bad experience from the very
beginning, uh, but we were like, "You know

804
00:28:49,806 --> 00:28:51,056
what? Maybe this would be good." Yeah.

805
00:28:51,296 --> 00:28:53,296
"Maybe it would be good if
we turn to these people,"

806
00:28:53,296 --> 00:28:54,166
and we said, "You know what?

807
00:28:54,166 --> 00:28:56,206
You guys are gonna be our
first full swap couple.

808
00:28:56,756 --> 00:29:00,506
Let's give this a try." Um, I
didn't harbor any bad feelings.

809
00:29:00,506 --> 00:29:01,966
Like I said, we were all drunk.

810
00:29:02,276 --> 00:29:05,976
So everything that took place, I
gave them the benefit of the doubt.

811
00:29:05,976 --> 00:29:08,676
I was like, "You know what?
This is, uh, this is what it is.

812
00:29:08,676 --> 00:29:09,886
Let's do this the right way."

813
00:29:10,406 --> 00:29:10,596
Mm-hmm.

814
00:29:10,616 --> 00:29:12,496
And so we went over to their house.

815
00:29:13,186 --> 00:29:21,136
Um, and I, I really was expecting
it to be the Priscilla show, and

816
00:29:21,136 --> 00:29:24,716
for me to be sitting off to the side
watching you get ravaged, because

817
00:29:24,716 --> 00:29:27,746
I knew this woman wanted you bad.

818
00:29:27,976 --> 00:29:28,426
Right.

819
00:29:28,426 --> 00:29:28,566
And-

820
00:29:28,566 --> 00:29:29,096
And

821
00:29:29,096 --> 00:29:29,466
I wanted

822
00:29:29,466 --> 00:29:31,626
her … you loved your woman experiences.

823
00:29:31,626 --> 00:29:32,436
You wanted her.

824
00:29:32,556 --> 00:29:32,896
Yeah.

825
00:29:32,966 --> 00:29:38,446
So I was not really experiencing m- I, I,
I, I wasn't expecting anything more- Yeah

826
00:29:38,446 --> 00:29:42,406
than just you two all over each other and
maybe you playing with him or whatever.

827
00:29:42,996 --> 00:29:48,276
Um, but no, you know, that was really
cool about this couple, was even

828
00:29:48,276 --> 00:29:52,366
knowing how much she wanted you,
she spent plenty of time with me.

829
00:29:52,396 --> 00:29:52,936
She did.

830
00:29:52,966 --> 00:29:55,986
And I did not feel anything lacking.

831
00:29:56,106 --> 00:29:56,566
Mm-hmm.

832
00:29:56,636 --> 00:30:00,346
Um, they are still to this day
one of our favorite couples.

833
00:30:00,356 --> 00:30:00,376
Mm-hmm.

834
00:30:00,416 --> 00:30:03,646
And we still play with them- Mm
… whenever we get the opportunity to.

835
00:30:03,656 --> 00:30:03,686
Mm-hmm.

836
00:30:04,146 --> 00:30:07,086
Um, they're very, very
great friends of ours.

837
00:30:07,096 --> 00:30:07,116
Mm-hmm.

838
00:30:07,126 --> 00:30:10,696
But that was our first
full swap experience.

839
00:30:10,990 --> 00:30:12,060
Hold on, hold on.

840
00:30:12,060 --> 00:30:13,740
We need to tell you guys about 3Fun first.

841
00:30:13,930 --> 00:30:14,480
Oh, yeah.

842
00:30:15,090 --> 00:30:18,150
Okay, so 3Fun is the app.

843
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,390
You guys know the app.

844
00:30:19,810 --> 00:30:22,220
And if you don't know, it's for
couples and singles who wanna

845
00:30:22,220 --> 00:30:23,910
connect with like-minded people.

846
00:30:24,110 --> 00:30:25,430
And it actually works.

847
00:30:25,540 --> 00:30:26,810
Like, we're not just saying that.

848
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,490
It's easy, it's low pressure, and
it's way less awkward than trying

849
00:30:30,490 --> 00:30:31,510
to figure it out on your own.

850
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:32,710
Way less.

851
00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:34,160
We're gonna leave it at that.

852
00:30:34,650 --> 00:30:34,940
Yep.

853
00:30:35,390 --> 00:30:36,530
Download 3Fun.

854
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,670
The link is in the show notes.

855
00:30:38,860 --> 00:30:40,370
Okay, where were we?

856
00:30:40,820 --> 00:30:41,110
Huh.

857
00:30:41,566 --> 00:30:42,956
Now, what did you think about it?

858
00:30:42,956 --> 00:30:44,746
Like, do you remember any of that?

859
00:30:44,936 --> 00:30:45,806
I think so.

860
00:30:45,816 --> 00:30:46,546
It's a long time ago.

861
00:30:46,556 --> 00:30:47,856
I think I remember it.

862
00:30:47,876 --> 00:30:49,686
Um, I enjoyed it.

863
00:30:49,816 --> 00:30:50,046
Yeah.

864
00:30:50,096 --> 00:30:51,656
I mean, I still enjoy it.

865
00:30:51,676 --> 00:30:54,396
They're still, like you said, one
of my favorite… She's one of

866
00:30:54,396 --> 00:30:56,086
my favorite women to play with.

867
00:30:56,456 --> 00:31:00,556
I think, you know what's funny is
the more you sleep with a person

868
00:31:00,866 --> 00:31:04,598
regularly- I think the better it gets

869
00:31:04,648 --> 00:31:05,928
Yeah, for sure

870
00:31:06,018 --> 00:31:07,918
I mean, obviously if you're
talking one-on-one, sure.

871
00:31:07,918 --> 00:31:10,908
But if you're talking, like,
couple-on-couple, the more

872
00:31:10,908 --> 00:31:12,108
experiences you have- Yeah

873
00:31:12,108 --> 00:31:14,718
with them, the more you get to kinda
figure out where their buttons are.

874
00:31:14,718 --> 00:31:15,148
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

875
00:31:15,218 --> 00:31:18,288
The more you figure out how to
s- how to satisfy them better,

876
00:31:18,288 --> 00:31:20,108
and it just becomes better.

877
00:31:20,428 --> 00:31:20,798
Yeah.

878
00:31:20,948 --> 00:31:21,198
Yeah.

879
00:31:21,208 --> 00:31:21,498
It's fun.

880
00:31:21,568 --> 00:31:21,698
Yeah.

881
00:31:21,698 --> 00:31:22,218
It is fun.

882
00:31:22,248 --> 00:31:22,568
Yeah.

883
00:31:22,688 --> 00:31:25,228
Um, I remember I was very, very nervous.

884
00:31:25,718 --> 00:31:30,328
Um, and actually it took me years to get
over being nervous when it came to sexual-

885
00:31:30,408 --> 00:31:30,748
Yeah

886
00:31:30,768 --> 00:31:31,118
play.

887
00:31:31,258 --> 00:31:31,608
Yeah.

888
00:31:32,128 --> 00:31:35,838
Um, my whole body would shake
whenever it came down to it.

889
00:31:35,838 --> 00:31:36,198
Yeah,

890
00:31:36,428 --> 00:31:36,768
yeah.

891
00:31:36,798 --> 00:31:41,338
When… I would be fine if we went
out, if we had drinks, if we went out

892
00:31:41,338 --> 00:31:42,518
to dinner- Yeah … I would be fine.

893
00:31:42,848 --> 00:31:45,148
If we went to somebody's
house, I'd be fine.

894
00:31:45,468 --> 00:31:47,688
But the moment somebody
said, "Hey, let's, uh-

895
00:31:48,058 --> 00:31:48,508
Let's play

896
00:31:48,568 --> 00:31:49,618
…
let's take this to the bedroom"

897
00:31:49,678 --> 00:31:49,998
Yeah

898
00:31:50,568 --> 00:31:51,708
I'd immediately start shaking.

899
00:31:51,768 --> 00:31:52,578
Start shaking.

900
00:31:52,588 --> 00:31:53,898
Full body shaking.

901
00:31:53,898 --> 00:31:53,968
Yes.

902
00:31:53,968 --> 00:31:57,868
And it was kind of embarrassing,
because I'd be laying on the bed

903
00:31:57,868 --> 00:32:00,348
making out with the wife of the
couple- Yeah … or whatever.

904
00:32:00,348 --> 00:32:00,388
We

905
00:32:00,388 --> 00:32:01,398
usually start kissing- And I'd

906
00:32:01,398 --> 00:32:02,208
be shaking … yeah.

907
00:32:02,208 --> 00:32:03,108
We- We always started with each-

908
00:32:03,118 --> 00:32:03,738
We started- … with each other first

909
00:32:03,738 --> 00:32:06,798
we started kissing each other first,
and we used to have a rule that

910
00:32:06,798 --> 00:32:08,108
we would start with each other.

911
00:32:08,368 --> 00:32:08,708
Yeah.

912
00:32:09,058 --> 00:32:11,718
And, um, and so we did.

913
00:32:11,718 --> 00:32:15,988
I think that, that time we, you
and I were sitting on the couch,

914
00:32:15,998 --> 00:32:19,158
and they were sitting on the bed,
and you and I started making out.

915
00:32:19,258 --> 00:32:19,628
Yeah.

916
00:32:19,668 --> 00:32:22,298
And I was rubbing you, and then
they started making out, and

917
00:32:22,298 --> 00:32:23,548
they were just watching us.

918
00:32:24,128 --> 00:32:27,794
And then It kind of started from there.

919
00:32:28,044 --> 00:32:28,484
Like-

920
00:32:28,864 --> 00:32:31,904
Yeah … I started- And it really
went, it really went from there.

921
00:32:32,164 --> 00:32:33,174
Like- It, it really did.

922
00:32:33,174 --> 00:32:34,974
I think I started riding you.

923
00:32:35,134 --> 00:32:35,424
Yeah.

924
00:32:35,914 --> 00:32:36,834
And then-

925
00:32:37,274 --> 00:32:40,094
And she was going down on
him on the couch next to us

926
00:32:40,114 --> 00:32:40,974
…
right next to us.

927
00:32:40,974 --> 00:32:41,264
Yeah.

928
00:32:41,264 --> 00:32:42,984
Yeah, and then I think we swapped.

929
00:32:43,014 --> 00:32:43,944
Yes, you did.

930
00:32:44,574 --> 00:32:48,554
And it was, it was fricking hot.

931
00:32:48,554 --> 00:32:54,624
So once- It was fun … we got the guys
off, um, 'cause we swapped and, and she

932
00:32:54,624 --> 00:32:58,484
was, you know, riding Adam and I was…
I think I was on the bed with her dude.

933
00:32:59,314 --> 00:33:01,524
But after that, her and I would have fun.

934
00:33:01,964 --> 00:33:05,254
What's funny is even still to
this day, and it's been years-

935
00:33:05,554 --> 00:33:05,774
It's

936
00:33:05,774 --> 00:33:07,714
still- … even still to
this day it's still in that-

937
00:33:07,744 --> 00:33:08,864
It's still in that order

938
00:33:08,904 --> 00:33:10,284
that's still at that order, you know?

939
00:33:10,284 --> 00:33:10,724
Yeah.

940
00:33:11,174 --> 00:33:14,074
They're like, "Oh, let's, let's get
the guys over and done with so that we

941
00:33:14,074 --> 00:33:15,474
can spend some girl time." Yeah, yeah.

942
00:33:15,474 --> 00:33:16,394
You guys are just-

943
00:33:16,504 --> 00:33:16,764
Yeah

944
00:33:16,804 --> 00:33:17,294
…
cons.

945
00:33:17,314 --> 00:33:17,884
Yeah.

946
00:33:18,014 --> 00:33:18,298
Just taking- We

947
00:33:18,298 --> 00:33:18,364
all

948
00:33:18,364 --> 00:33:18,854
like that.

949
00:33:18,864 --> 00:33:19,524
Of course.

950
00:33:19,624 --> 00:33:20,914
They're… y'all are sitting there-

951
00:33:21,234 --> 00:33:21,764
Of course

952
00:33:21,764 --> 00:33:24,994
…
you know, watching and
still rubbing it out and-

953
00:33:25,034 --> 00:33:25,914
Of course

954
00:33:26,054 --> 00:33:28,664
are fucking talking about
shit and laughing, so.

955
00:33:28,664 --> 00:33:29,054
Yeah.

956
00:33:29,534 --> 00:33:33,654
Now, I, I enjoyed my time with them,
but a- even then I was like, "Okay,

957
00:33:33,654 --> 00:33:35,474
we had a good full swap experience."

958
00:33:35,564 --> 00:33:35,904
Yeah.

959
00:33:35,974 --> 00:33:39,164
"
I wanna see what it's like with others."

960
00:33:39,214 --> 00:33:39,544
Yeah.

961
00:33:39,674 --> 00:33:43,994
Now, our hometown really
did not produce a lot of-

962
00:33:44,094 --> 00:33:44,404
No

963
00:33:46,214 --> 00:33:47,484
…
attractive couples.

964
00:33:47,494 --> 00:33:47,954
No.

965
00:33:48,384 --> 00:33:51,924
A lot of, um, ethical couples.

966
00:33:51,984 --> 00:33:52,644
Yeah.

967
00:33:52,734 --> 00:33:57,994
Um, I felt like we were constantly ending
up with people who would contact you

968
00:33:57,994 --> 00:34:01,324
afterwards and be like, "Hey, do you
think you'd wanna play without him?" Yes.

969
00:34:01,324 --> 00:34:06,114
Or we would… You know, or, or we
were just kind of both taking one

970
00:34:06,124 --> 00:34:08,324
for the team so that- Mm-hmm … we
could get an experience in.

971
00:34:08,334 --> 00:34:08,354
Mm-hmm.

972
00:34:08,364 --> 00:34:08,944
You know what I mean?

973
00:34:09,004 --> 00:34:09,304
Yeah.

974
00:34:09,384 --> 00:34:13,344
Uh, there was one couple that
we met up with, uh, from… We,

975
00:34:13,404 --> 00:34:14,934
we met them through a website.

976
00:34:15,614 --> 00:34:18,264
And, uh, they seemed all right.

977
00:34:18,404 --> 00:34:21,414
Uh, she, she was, uh, shorter.

978
00:34:21,444 --> 00:34:22,804
I found her attractive.

979
00:34:22,834 --> 00:34:24,604
They were both a little bit older than us.

980
00:34:25,394 --> 00:34:27,794
Um, but I found her attractive.

981
00:34:28,334 --> 00:34:30,814
Uh, he was not your type.

982
00:34:31,274 --> 00:34:33,584
Most, most, uh, men are not.

983
00:34:34,354 --> 00:34:37,964
Uh, but we met up with them for drinks.

984
00:34:38,194 --> 00:34:39,084
Mm-hmm.

985
00:34:39,214 --> 00:34:46,154
And they seemed like a cool couple,
but there were certain moments where-

986
00:34:47,548 --> 00:34:51,068
You would notice she was drinking
a bit and she was getting sauced.

987
00:34:51,068 --> 00:34:51,818
Mm-hmm.

988
00:34:51,888 --> 00:34:55,628
And then she gets kind of loose with
her mouth and starts talking stuff,

989
00:34:56,038 --> 00:34:58,378
and he would get very suppressive.

990
00:34:58,768 --> 00:35:01,488
And he would be like, "You've
had… You, you need to be quiet.

991
00:35:01,608 --> 00:35:02,788
Like, you're… That's enough."

992
00:35:02,878 --> 00:35:03,168
Mm-hmm.

993
00:35:03,178 --> 00:35:05,718
Like, he would get kind of short with her-
Mm-hmm … when they would start drinking.

994
00:35:06,348 --> 00:35:08,628
Uh, and so I had thought
that was weird, you know?

995
00:35:09,078 --> 00:35:12,658
Uh, and then we ended up running
into them a couple more times, uh,

996
00:35:12,698 --> 00:35:14,608
at a, at a couple different clubs.

997
00:35:14,618 --> 00:35:15,018
Mm-hmm.

998
00:35:15,588 --> 00:35:16,978
And we decided, you know what?

999
00:35:17,488 --> 00:35:17,928
Fuck it.

1000
00:35:18,628 --> 00:35:19,268
Let's do this.

1001
00:35:19,268 --> 00:35:19,568
Yeah.

1002
00:35:20,298 --> 00:35:23,258
Uh, so we set something up.

1003
00:35:23,348 --> 00:35:23,748
Mm-hmm.

1004
00:35:23,868 --> 00:35:26,098
And we said, "Let's, let's
go ahead and do this." So we

1005
00:35:26,098 --> 00:35:27,648
pulled up, uh, at their house.

1006
00:35:27,648 --> 00:35:28,608
They gave us the address.

1007
00:35:28,608 --> 00:35:29,158
We pulled up.

1008
00:35:29,178 --> 00:35:31,268
Very, very nice house.

1009
00:35:31,838 --> 00:35:36,498
Uh, this, this place, I mean, it
was… For just the two of them?

1010
00:35:36,528 --> 00:35:38,438
I mean, I mean maybe- Yeah … they
had kids, I don't know.

1011
00:35:38,448 --> 00:35:38,468
Yeah.

1012
00:35:38,478 --> 00:35:40,728
But they, I don't, I don't think
they had anybody living in, in

1013
00:35:40,728 --> 00:35:41,698
the house with them anymore.

1014
00:35:41,698 --> 00:35:42,078
No, no.

1015
00:35:42,078 --> 00:35:44,628
It's a very old, historic
house in a very- Yeah.

1016
00:35:44,838 --> 00:35:46,098
Was that the second couple?

1017
00:35:46,278 --> 00:35:46,658
Yeah.

1018
00:35:47,178 --> 00:35:47,618
Wow.

1019
00:35:47,628 --> 00:35:49,368
That was the second couple
that we were ever with.

1020
00:35:49,368 --> 00:35:50,208
Wow.

1021
00:35:50,268 --> 00:35:54,538
Um, and so our experiences
early on were not the greatest.

1022
00:35:54,838 --> 00:35:54,858
No.

1023
00:35:54,888 --> 00:35:57,318
Uh, so we

1024
00:36:00,758 --> 00:36:03,778
So we had to climb up all
these stairs for one thing.

1025
00:36:03,788 --> 00:36:03,988
These

1026
00:36:03,988 --> 00:36:07,228
are historic houses, so-
Yeah … they kind of, um-

1027
00:36:07,238 --> 00:36:08,768
They sit up on a really tall hill

1028
00:36:09,038 --> 00:36:10,688
…
It's n-n, no.

1029
00:36:10,728 --> 00:36:15,258
Yeah, I guess it's like- Kinda … it's
like you're… the street, and then

1030
00:36:15,258 --> 00:36:22,132
there's three steps to the sidewalk,
and then Then there, then there's like-

1031
00:36:22,132 --> 00:36:22,922
Then there's like this-

1032
00:36:22,932 --> 00:36:25,572
10 steps to their front patio

1033
00:36:26,022 --> 00:36:28,682
…
it's, you know, it's like the- And
their door … it's like the Mayan

1034
00:36:28,872 --> 00:36:31,242
temples, man So- You know, you've
got all these- It's, yeah … stairs

1035
00:36:31,282 --> 00:36:32,190
going up to the top That's the

1036
00:36:32,190 --> 00:36:32,742
historic area.

1037
00:36:32,752 --> 00:36:36,222
You could see them- Yeah … at the
top, you know, these silhouettes of

1038
00:36:36,222 --> 00:36:39,802
the couple standing in front of the
doorway a- all the way at the to- And

1039
00:36:39,832 --> 00:36:43,272
maybe I'm dra- dramatizing it, I don't
know, but that's the way I remember it.

1040
00:36:43,292 --> 00:36:43,832
So it's-

1041
00:36:43,862 --> 00:36:44,252
Um-

1042
00:36:44,402 --> 00:36:49,462
So we go in, and, um, we're…
They ask us if they want, we want

1043
00:36:49,462 --> 00:36:51,742
a beer, so we, we get a beer.

1044
00:36:51,752 --> 00:36:53,682
Adam and I are- Yeah … sitting on
a chair, and they're sitting like-

1045
00:36:53,682 --> 00:36:55,122
It's like a den area

1046
00:36:55,212 --> 00:36:55,912
…
across from us.

1047
00:36:55,912 --> 00:36:55,942
It's

1048
00:36:55,952 --> 00:36:58,642
not- Yeah … not quite a living room
area- Yeah … but it's almost like a

1049
00:36:58,642 --> 00:37:00,792
secondary living room or a den area.

1050
00:37:00,792 --> 00:37:02,552
You can tell they entertain people here.

1051
00:37:02,832 --> 00:37:03,232
Yeah.

1052
00:37:03,242 --> 00:37:05,522
Very nice place.

1053
00:37:05,522 --> 00:37:05,595
Yeah, very nice.

1054
00:37:05,595 --> 00:37:05,632
Oh my God.

1055
00:37:05,632 --> 00:37:10,072
Um, f- being in that area, first of
all, you- Yeah … and that kind of

1056
00:37:10,072 --> 00:37:11,752
house, you, you have to have money.

1057
00:37:11,772 --> 00:37:12,002
So-

1058
00:37:12,012 --> 00:37:12,302
Oh, yeah

1059
00:37:12,852 --> 00:37:16,382
…
so we're there, and, um, a
lot of antiques, you know.

1060
00:37:16,772 --> 00:37:18,372
Well, just having conversation.

1061
00:37:18,372 --> 00:37:23,562
Yeah, having conversation, just
talking, and we end up going upstairs.

1062
00:37:23,792 --> 00:37:24,292
Yeah.

1063
00:37:24,292 --> 00:37:26,572
There was a little bit of
kissing that took place.

1064
00:37:26,602 --> 00:37:33,162
Uh, she kissed me, uh, down in the
den, and I guess he kissed you, and

1065
00:37:33,242 --> 00:37:36,112
somebody said, "Do y'all wanna go
upstairs?" And we're like, "Okay.

1066
00:37:36,142 --> 00:37:36,462
Sure.

1067
00:37:36,472 --> 00:37:37,722
I mean, that's what
we're here for, right?"

1068
00:37:37,792 --> 00:37:38,292
Yeah.

1069
00:37:38,622 --> 00:37:39,652
So we went upstairs.

1070
00:37:39,752 --> 00:37:40,212
Mm-hmm.

1071
00:37:40,272 --> 00:37:42,352
And, uh, we went to their bedroom-

1072
00:37:42,522 --> 00:37:42,902
Mm-hmm

1073
00:37:42,912 --> 00:37:44,562
which was also very, very nice.

1074
00:37:44,582 --> 00:37:45,032
Mm-hmm.

1075
00:37:45,492 --> 00:37:50,612
Um, and her, uh, you and
I started making out.

1076
00:37:51,022 --> 00:37:51,482
Yes.

1077
00:37:51,572 --> 00:37:54,322
And they were getting to one side of
the bed, we were on the other side of

1078
00:37:54,322 --> 00:37:55,422
the bed, and we started making out.

1079
00:37:56,092 --> 00:37:58,272
Um, and then eventually
you got on the bed-

1080
00:37:58,472 --> 00:37:58,982
Mm-hmm

1081
00:37:59,112 --> 00:38:01,052
…
and you and I started having our fun.

1082
00:38:01,122 --> 00:38:01,522
Mm-hmm.

1083
00:38:02,302 --> 00:38:05,982
And they were on the opposite side of
the bed doing the exact same thing.

1084
00:38:07,428 --> 00:38:12,108
At some point, the husband looks
up and he goes, "Hey, Adam, do you

1085
00:38:12,108 --> 00:38:17,708
wanna, wanna switch?" And I looked
at you and I said, "You cool with

1086
00:38:17,718 --> 00:38:18,928
that?" And you were like, "Yeah, sure.

1087
00:38:19,028 --> 00:38:22,578
Whatever." "Okay." So we switch.

1088
00:38:22,898 --> 00:38:25,998
I went to the other side of the
bed where his wife was laying.

1089
00:38:26,158 --> 00:38:26,588
Mm-hmm.

1090
00:38:26,648 --> 00:38:28,138
And he went to your side of the bed.

1091
00:38:28,368 --> 00:38:28,808
Mm-hmm.

1092
00:38:29,698 --> 00:38:35,508
Now, I am trying to take my mind
out of it because, you know,

1093
00:38:35,508 --> 00:38:37,058
I'm already nervous as it is.

1094
00:38:37,148 --> 00:38:37,648
Yeah.

1095
00:38:37,768 --> 00:38:41,148
I'm trying to make sure my dick stays
hard because I'm already nervous as it is.

1096
00:38:41,148 --> 00:38:41,558
Mm-hmm.

1097
00:38:41,998 --> 00:38:45,288
Uh, but I am attracted to this
woman, and I… She's a good--

1098
00:38:45,558 --> 00:38:47,208
She's, she seemed like a good kisser.

1099
00:38:47,268 --> 00:38:47,438
Mm-hmm.

1100
00:38:47,438 --> 00:38:49,188
So I was like, "You know, this
shouldn't be too, too hard."

1101
00:38:50,218 --> 00:38:54,468
Um, so we proceed to make
out while she's on the bed.

1102
00:38:54,478 --> 00:38:54,948
We're kissing.

1103
00:38:55,328 --> 00:38:56,348
I'm on top of her.

1104
00:38:56,368 --> 00:38:58,468
She's kinda got her legs
wrapped around me a little bit.

1105
00:38:58,508 --> 00:38:58,908
Mm-hmm.

1106
00:38:59,508 --> 00:39:02,538
And I'm touching her and I'm
kissing her, and I notice while

1107
00:39:02,538 --> 00:39:03,738
I'm kissing her, she's kinda going,

1108
00:39:07,718 --> 00:39:10,008
And it's kinda stifled,
and it's a little light.

1109
00:39:10,038 --> 00:39:10,988
And I'm on-

1110
00:39:10,998 --> 00:39:11,788
But it's laughing.

1111
00:39:11,788 --> 00:39:12,128
Yeah.

1112
00:39:12,408 --> 00:39:13,228
And I'm like, "Hmm."

1113
00:39:13,478 --> 00:39:16,428
And I'm laying there, and I can hear her-

1114
00:39:16,688 --> 00:39:17,038
She goes

1115
00:39:17,638 --> 00:39:19,578
…
while I'm dealing with my own situation.

1116
00:39:19,978 --> 00:39:21,768
It sounded kinda fake.

1117
00:39:22,018 --> 00:39:22,108
Yeah.

1118
00:39:22,108 --> 00:39:23,688
We'll get into your situation.

1119
00:39:23,738 --> 00:39:24,188
Yeah.

1120
00:39:24,628 --> 00:39:27,428
But it sounded kinda fake,
this stifled laughing.

1121
00:39:27,428 --> 00:39:27,628
Yes.

1122
00:39:27,628 --> 00:39:33,424
And I was like You know, I had heard
stories from you about your past

1123
00:39:33,424 --> 00:39:37,334
experiences and how if you didn't
wanna play with somebody because they

1124
00:39:37,334 --> 00:39:39,564
weren't attractive and you didn't
wanna tell them no right off the

1125
00:39:39,574 --> 00:39:42,614
bat, you just basically said that
you had, you, you had your period.

1126
00:39:43,094 --> 00:39:43,564
Yes.

1127
00:39:43,954 --> 00:39:46,474
Like, that was, that was
something that women do.

1128
00:39:46,704 --> 00:39:51,014
If, if they, uh, don't wanna play
with you, they'll be like, "Oh,

1129
00:39:51,014 --> 00:39:52,304
well, I'm on my period, sorry."

1130
00:39:52,494 --> 00:39:52,664
Yeah.

1131
00:39:52,664 --> 00:39:52,884
You know?

1132
00:39:52,884 --> 00:39:55,244
And that was kind of what was
already in the back of my head.

1133
00:39:55,964 --> 00:40:01,264
So this woman is starting to laugh and
laugh, and the laughing is getting a

1134
00:40:01,264 --> 00:40:03,754
bit more loud and a bit more hysterical.

1135
00:40:04,614 --> 00:40:06,454
And I'm like, "Are you okay?"

1136
00:40:07,334 --> 00:40:12,114
And she's like "Yeah. Well,
didn't, didn't, uh, didn't he tell

1137
00:40:12,114 --> 00:40:13,484
you?" Referring to her husband.

1138
00:40:14,144 --> 00:40:16,784
And I was like, "No.

1139
00:40:17,184 --> 00:40:21,814
What's up?" And she goes,
"Well, I'm extremely ticklish."

1140
00:40:22,554 --> 00:40:23,924
And I was like, "Oh, okay.

1141
00:40:23,944 --> 00:40:26,634
Well, I don't need to… I, I… You
know, sorry if I'm touching you a

1142
00:40:26,634 --> 00:40:29,074
certain way." And she goes, "No, no,
no, there's… It's okay." She's like,

1143
00:40:29,584 --> 00:40:33,614
"But I'm extremely ticklish in every
single way and every part of my body.

1144
00:40:33,974 --> 00:40:37,984
Uh, so there's no way to get past
this without-" "… without my

1145
00:40:37,984 --> 00:40:42,764
laughing. So hopefully it's not too
much of a distraction for you." And

1146
00:40:42,764 --> 00:40:49,864
I was like, "Oh, okay. Well, we're
in this now, so let's do it." Mm-hmm.

1147
00:40:49,874 --> 00:40:50,374
You know?

1148
00:40:51,094 --> 00:40:53,734
I mean, I was inside of her-
Mm-hmm … at that point.

1149
00:40:54,254 --> 00:40:58,404
Um, so the laughing is just…
You know, as soon as I slid

1150
00:40:58,544 --> 00:41:00,554
inside of her, she was laughing.

1151
00:41:01,264 --> 00:41:01,474
Yeah.

1152
00:41:01,474 --> 00:41:04,774
And I normally like laughing when we're
having sex, when you and I are having

1153
00:41:04,774 --> 00:41:08,194
sex- Yeah … because there's a lot
of ab work that takes place, and, uh,

1154
00:41:08,224 --> 00:41:11,114
there's a lot of grippy things happening
because- The Kegels … the Kegels.

1155
00:41:11,114 --> 00:41:11,134
Yeah.

1156
00:41:11,134 --> 00:41:11,774
It's amazing.

1157
00:41:12,174 --> 00:41:15,054
So I like to make you laugh whenever
we're having sex, but that was

1158
00:41:15,054 --> 00:41:16,534
not the case during this one.

1159
00:41:16,534 --> 00:41:19,604
She was laughing like the
Joker from the first Batman.

1160
00:41:19,694 --> 00:41:19,984
Yeah.

1161
00:41:20,014 --> 00:41:22,374
It was intimidating-
Yeah … to say the least.

1162
00:41:22,424 --> 00:41:26,684
I felt like either I was doing something
wrong or I was doing something very,

1163
00:41:26,684 --> 00:41:28,404
very right, and it did not feel good.

1164
00:41:28,514 --> 00:41:28,634
Mm-hmm.

1165
00:41:28,994 --> 00:41:31,494
Um, and so it was very, very distracting.

1166
00:41:31,494 --> 00:41:33,154
I, I really couldn't get past it.

1167
00:41:33,174 --> 00:41:36,254
But then It wasn't just the laughing.

1168
00:41:37,264 --> 00:41:43,444
This woman, um, I guess when she would
get very passionate, uh, during her

1169
00:41:43,444 --> 00:41:49,954
sexual experiences, uh, I likened
the motion to be that of almost like

1170
00:41:49,954 --> 00:41:54,254
a velociraptor from Jurassic Park,
where they kind of bite the air.

1171
00:41:54,264 --> 00:41:54,284
Yeah.

1172
00:41:54,344 --> 00:41:55,544
You know, they do that bite.

1173
00:41:55,574 --> 00:41:56,894
They're like, "Ar," you know?

1174
00:41:56,894 --> 00:41:57,014
Mm-hmm.

1175
00:41:57,014 --> 00:41:58,224
And, and you see the teeth come out.

1176
00:41:58,534 --> 00:42:01,774
Well, she was doing that to me-

1177
00:42:01,844 --> 00:42:02,254
Mm-hmm

1178
00:42:02,504 --> 00:42:03,814
…
as I was on top of her.

1179
00:42:03,824 --> 00:42:05,714
Like, she wanted, she wanted to bite me.

1180
00:42:05,724 --> 00:42:09,614
She goes like- Yeah … "Ar." And
she would, like, reach out to you-

1181
00:42:09,744 --> 00:42:09,874
Mm-hmm

1182
00:42:09,884 --> 00:42:11,374
…
who was across the bed from her.

1183
00:42:11,384 --> 00:42:11,414
Mm-hmm.

1184
00:42:11,424 --> 00:42:15,004
And she would reach out to me and just
kinda do, like, this dragon paw thing.

1185
00:42:15,014 --> 00:42:15,054
Mm-hmm.

1186
00:42:15,054 --> 00:42:15,924
It was really, really weird.

1187
00:42:16,264 --> 00:42:17,454
Very, very distracted.

1188
00:42:17,744 --> 00:42:21,694
I did not realize all the way on the
other side of the bed, my wife was

1189
00:42:21,694 --> 00:42:23,754
having a completely different experience.

1190
00:42:23,894 --> 00:42:24,004
I was.

1191
00:42:24,004 --> 00:42:25,074
What was going on on your side of the bed?

1192
00:42:25,204 --> 00:42:31,544
So he, I guess, couldn't
get hard, but really tried.

1193
00:42:31,944 --> 00:42:32,224
Huh.

1194
00:42:32,334 --> 00:42:36,664
And he had me lay down and cross my legs.

1195
00:42:37,614 --> 00:42:38,094
Okay.

1196
00:42:38,204 --> 00:42:41,374
And so pretty much fucked my thighs.

1197
00:42:42,214 --> 00:42:42,494
And-

1198
00:42:42,494 --> 00:42:43,644
So he didn't penetrate you?

1199
00:42:44,424 --> 00:42:45,874
Very little, like the tip.

1200
00:42:46,554 --> 00:42:50,694
And I- Huh … was super insecure.

1201
00:42:51,774 --> 00:42:57,170
You know, I hadn't been with a
lot of guys, so I was like, "Oh my

1202
00:42:57,170 --> 00:43:02,300
gosh, I must be really, like, wide."

1203
00:43:02,650 --> 00:43:04,540
That he would, he would fuck your thighs?

1204
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:05,160
Yeah.

1205
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,510
Like, I must be really, like, he must not
feel anything when he's inside my pussy.

1206
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,400
Do you recall- That- … was, was
he, was he a good size at all?

1207
00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:15,100
I don't think so.

1208
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:15,400
No?

1209
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:16,360
No.

1210
00:43:17,020 --> 00:43:17,060
Huh.

1211
00:43:17,070 --> 00:43:19,010
I wanna say he was average.

1212
00:43:19,070 --> 00:43:19,160
Okay.

1213
00:43:19,170 --> 00:43:20,790
So six inches, if that.

1214
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:21,110
Yeah.

1215
00:43:21,150 --> 00:43:21,640
You know?

1216
00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:21,670
Yeah.

1217
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,220
Um, and he was thin,
but I wasn't even big.

1218
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:26,250
Yeah.

1219
00:43:26,650 --> 00:43:28,440
I was just super insecure.

1220
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:29,010
Huh.

1221
00:43:29,060 --> 00:43:33,970
And so I'm looking over at this
girl who's not pawing at me.

1222
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:35,390
And laughing.

1223
00:43:35,390 --> 00:43:35,640
Yeah.

1224
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,600
And I looked at Adam, and I'm
giving Adam this face like, "Are

1225
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,530
you serious? Are we finishing this?"

1226
00:43:40,570 --> 00:43:42,570
Oh, we were making faces the whole time.

1227
00:43:42,570 --> 00:43:43,110
And so-

1228
00:43:43,110 --> 00:43:45,730
It's like, "What the fuck are
we doing here?" I- But I wasn't

1229
00:43:45,730 --> 00:43:46,670
gonna leave until I finished.

1230
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:48,360
Yeah, so I think he finished.

1231
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,280
Uh, like I finished.

1232
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,390
I finished because of you.

1233
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:51,630
Yeah, and then-

1234
00:43:51,630 --> 00:43:57,560
I was so distracted from the laughing, the
maniacal laughing and the, the frigging

1235
00:43:57,580 --> 00:44:02,190
dinosaur jaws- Yeah … and the pawing at
me that I w- I, I was like, "There's no

1236
00:44:02,190 --> 00:44:03,100
way I'm gonna finish." Oh, because I can

1237
00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:03,640
fake it.

1238
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:04,440
I faked it.

1239
00:44:04,450 --> 00:44:04,710
She's

1240
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:05,250
so good.

1241
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:05,760
I faked it so good.

1242
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:06,880
She's so good.

1243
00:44:07,340 --> 00:44:09,640
And so she saw that I was struggling.

1244
00:44:09,790 --> 00:44:11,040
I didn't think I was gonna cum.

1245
00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:11,240
Mm-hmm.

1246
00:44:11,610 --> 00:44:15,580
Um, and so Pris put on this show
that she knew was gonna send me over.

1247
00:44:15,590 --> 00:44:16,170
And it did.

1248
00:44:16,170 --> 00:44:16,578
And it did.

1249
00:44:16,578 --> 00:44:17,280
It totally did.

1250
00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:17,450
We

1251
00:44:17,650 --> 00:44:18,120
finished.

1252
00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:21,250
That couple goes downstairs or
does something, and we're in the

1253
00:44:21,250 --> 00:44:24,710
room by ourselves, and I look at
him and I'm like, "What the fuck?"

1254
00:44:24,830 --> 00:44:25,250
Yeah.

1255
00:44:25,370 --> 00:44:26,600
"
We getting out of here."

1256
00:44:26,830 --> 00:44:28,230
Yeah, and that's exactly what we did.

1257
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:30,090
Like- We got dressed.

1258
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,010
We skedaddled the fuck out of there.

1259
00:44:33,010 --> 00:44:36,040
Like, we were like, "Oh, bye. We'll
see you later," and we jetted.

1260
00:44:36,610 --> 00:44:41,750
And we laughed our way all the way home
because it was such a strange debrief.

1261
00:44:42,050 --> 00:44:42,070
Yeah.

1262
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,870
And I remember thinking, "Gosh, I hope
not all the experiences are like this."

1263
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:52,862
Now, you know what's funny is I f-
I, I would go often, um I would go

1264
00:44:52,862 --> 00:44:57,392
often to, like, Pornhub or, uh, you
know, even, like, the websites that we

1265
00:44:57,392 --> 00:44:59,142
were on where we actually found them.

1266
00:44:59,382 --> 00:44:59,442
Mm-hmm.

1267
00:44:59,452 --> 00:45:03,142
And a lot of people can upload,
like, their videos of their-

1268
00:45:03,142 --> 00:45:04,632
Yeah … fun time and stuff like this.

1269
00:45:04,942 --> 00:45:07,472
This couple got around, let me tell you.

1270
00:45:07,472 --> 00:45:07,832
Yeah.

1271
00:45:07,832 --> 00:45:11,512
And they recorded a lot of their
stuff, and they put it out there-

1272
00:45:11,522 --> 00:45:12,552
Yeah … for people to watch.

1273
00:45:12,562 --> 00:45:12,582
Mm-hmm.

1274
00:45:12,902 --> 00:45:19,642
And I only knew it was them because, A,
I recognized the bedroom, and C, I could

1275
00:45:19,642 --> 00:45:23,572
hear the muffled laughing throughout
the video, and I knew it was her.

1276
00:45:24,062 --> 00:45:24,952
I knew it was her.

1277
00:45:26,092 --> 00:45:27,482
It was… Oh, it was killer.

1278
00:45:27,612 --> 00:45:29,002
Oh, that was a really good impression.

1279
00:45:29,562 --> 00:45:29,962
Yeah.

1280
00:45:30,142 --> 00:45:31,172
That was killer.

1281
00:45:31,652 --> 00:45:32,292
That was killer.

1282
00:45:32,292 --> 00:45:36,672
First off, you know, I'm still new to all
this, and I'm very insecure about myself.

1283
00:45:36,672 --> 00:45:39,342
So then all of a sudden- Yeah … I have
a woman who I was sexually attracted

1284
00:45:39,352 --> 00:45:42,422
to who's laughing at my performance.

1285
00:45:42,472 --> 00:45:42,712
Yeah.

1286
00:45:42,752 --> 00:45:47,052
It took me years to figure out
whether or not I was good at sex.

1287
00:45:47,372 --> 00:45:47,392
Yeah.

1288
00:45:47,402 --> 00:45:49,292
I knew that you told me I was good at sex.

1289
00:45:49,292 --> 00:45:49,522
Yeah.

1290
00:45:49,702 --> 00:45:51,462
But you also married into this.

1291
00:45:51,542 --> 00:45:52,122
Same.

1292
00:45:52,132 --> 00:45:52,152
You

1293
00:45:52,152 --> 00:45:52,382
know?

1294
00:45:52,382 --> 00:45:53,142
I wasn't sure.

1295
00:45:53,142 --> 00:45:57,962
And, and the way he had me, I was
like, "Man, I must not be, like, good."

1296
00:45:58,662 --> 00:45:58,852
Yeah.

1297
00:45:59,312 --> 00:45:59,332
So,

1298
00:45:59,602 --> 00:46:02,472
you know- Yeah … I mean, things like
that'll pop up in your, in your head and

1299
00:46:02,472 --> 00:46:04,192
when you're having certain experiences.

1300
00:46:04,222 --> 00:46:05,192
I mean, I'm- Yeah

1301
00:46:05,192 --> 00:46:05,812
older now.

1302
00:46:05,812 --> 00:46:06,482
I'm an adult.

1303
00:46:06,522 --> 00:46:09,592
I'm… I was an adult then, but
I'm older now, and I totally

1304
00:46:09,592 --> 00:46:11,192
understand situations, so.

1305
00:46:11,722 --> 00:46:12,112
Yeah.

1306
00:46:12,142 --> 00:46:12,412
You know?

1307
00:46:12,422 --> 00:46:16,932
So that was our first… Uh, I mean,
our second, uh, couple swap experience.

1308
00:46:17,222 --> 00:46:23,434
Now, I can tell you the immediate,
um experience that we had after,

1309
00:46:23,434 --> 00:46:27,114
there was, there was a single
woman who was in the groups.

1310
00:46:27,124 --> 00:46:27,154
Mm-hmm.

1311
00:46:27,504 --> 00:46:29,384
And we had invited her over.

1312
00:46:29,874 --> 00:46:34,514
Um, and I played with her
more than anything else.

1313
00:46:34,514 --> 00:46:36,604
You were just kind of there on the bed.

1314
00:46:36,684 --> 00:46:36,834
Mm-hmm.

1315
00:46:36,834 --> 00:46:38,404
And it was primarily her and I.

1316
00:46:38,554 --> 00:46:38,784
Mm-hmm.

1317
00:46:39,074 --> 00:46:40,064
Uh, and it was hot.

1318
00:46:40,074 --> 00:46:40,094
Mm-hmm.

1319
00:46:40,194 --> 00:46:40,894
It was fun.

1320
00:46:41,024 --> 00:46:41,754
It was a good time.

1321
00:46:42,364 --> 00:46:45,964
Uh, I think that was the same… We
actually invited her over, and we

1322
00:46:45,974 --> 00:46:47,114
invited the guy- Right, the first guy

1323
00:46:47,114 --> 00:46:48,514
who you were first with.

1324
00:46:48,774 --> 00:46:49,594
Mm-hmm.

1325
00:46:49,604 --> 00:46:51,544
Uh, giving him the benefit of the
doubt that he could- He didn't

1326
00:46:51,544 --> 00:46:52,924
do … perform the second time around.

1327
00:46:53,534 --> 00:46:53,794
He could not.

1328
00:46:53,794 --> 00:46:54,424
And he couldn't.

1329
00:46:54,604 --> 00:46:54,824
But

1330
00:46:54,834 --> 00:46:55,854
he- So I was there- She had

1331
00:46:55,964 --> 00:46:56,644
the end of that one.

1332
00:46:56,644 --> 00:46:56,914
I didn't

1333
00:46:56,914 --> 00:46:58,074
She had the end of that one, but- And

1334
00:46:58,074 --> 00:46:59,084
I was like, "Let me have my man"

1335
00:46:59,134 --> 00:47:02,894
…
you know, I, I ended up, uh, satisfying
the both of y'all, which was cool.

1336
00:47:02,954 --> 00:47:03,304
Mm-hmm.

1337
00:47:03,564 --> 00:47:11,014
Um, but I, I remember going at it with
her, and you were laying on the bed, and

1338
00:47:11,014 --> 00:47:15,984
you were like, "Yeah, I have a stomach
ache. I don't feel too good." Um, and we

1339
00:47:15,984 --> 00:47:19,024
ended up finishing, and that chick left.

1340
00:47:19,094 --> 00:47:19,264
Mm-hmm.

1341
00:47:19,734 --> 00:47:23,754
And we were talking because
she went down on me.

1342
00:47:23,874 --> 00:47:24,334
Yeah.

1343
00:47:24,454 --> 00:47:26,614
And she gave me a really good blowjob-

1344
00:47:26,814 --> 00:47:27,184
Yeah

1345
00:47:27,244 --> 00:47:28,484
that, that made me cum.

1346
00:47:28,564 --> 00:47:28,864
Yes.

1347
00:47:29,284 --> 00:47:30,634
And that-

1348
00:47:30,634 --> 00:47:31,594
I had never-

1349
00:47:32,034 --> 00:47:32,284
Mm-mm

1350
00:47:32,284 --> 00:47:33,224
…
made him come with a

1351
00:47:33,774 --> 00:47:33,974
blowjob.

1352
00:47:33,974 --> 00:47:34,914
N- not at that time.

1353
00:47:35,094 --> 00:47:35,354
Yeah.

1354
00:47:35,384 --> 00:47:36,994
No, she hadn't made me cum at all.

1355
00:47:37,004 --> 00:47:37,024
No.

1356
00:47:37,034 --> 00:47:39,184
Like, I, I was one of those
that I didn't think I'd ever

1357
00:47:39,184 --> 00:47:40,424
cum- Mm-hmm … from a blowjob.

1358
00:47:40,884 --> 00:47:45,024
And I, not only did she make me cum,
I did not last- Mm-hmm … very long.

1359
00:47:45,604 --> 00:47:50,244
Um, and so I guess that sat with
you while her and I were playing.

1360
00:47:50,254 --> 00:47:50,264
Ooh,

1361
00:47:50,274 --> 00:47:50,834
I was so upset.

1362
00:47:50,854 --> 00:47:53,944
And you were thinking about… Now,
I could not tell that you were upset.

1363
00:47:53,964 --> 00:47:56,804
I just knew that you were like, "Mm,
no, I don't feel good, so I'm not

1364
00:47:56,804 --> 00:47:59,394
gonna, I'm not gonna play, but you guys
go ahead." You know, you were there.

1365
00:48:00,004 --> 00:48:02,544
I didn't know until after she left.

1366
00:48:02,644 --> 00:48:02,934
Yeah.

1367
00:48:02,934 --> 00:48:04,384
And it took you a little while.

1368
00:48:04,754 --> 00:48:07,644
You were a- acting a little
standoffish, but also I knew

1369
00:48:07,654 --> 00:48:09,984
back then you were disconnected.

1370
00:48:10,104 --> 00:48:10,394
Yeah.

1371
00:48:10,494 --> 00:48:12,434
And so I had to bring you back-
And I was- … and stuff like that

1372
00:48:12,454 --> 00:48:13,644
…
figuring it out, processing

1373
00:48:13,644 --> 00:48:13,664
it.

1374
00:48:13,664 --> 00:48:15,014
You were processing it, yeah.

1375
00:48:15,014 --> 00:48:16,564
W- l- we know that now.

1376
00:48:16,614 --> 00:48:17,044
Yeah.

1377
00:48:17,224 --> 00:48:18,254
But we didn't know that then.

1378
00:48:18,274 --> 00:48:19,284
No, we did not.

1379
00:48:19,294 --> 00:48:26,284
And so it came up, and you were like, "So
she made you cum from a blowjob, huh?"

1380
00:48:26,864 --> 00:48:30,244
And I was like, "Yeah, like, really fast."

1381
00:48:30,324 --> 00:48:30,524
Mm-hmm.

1382
00:48:30,994 --> 00:48:36,284
And, you know, the way we talk about it
now, I was trying to talk about it then.

1383
00:48:36,664 --> 00:48:39,284
Like, yeah, it was a, it
was the weirdest thing.

1384
00:48:39,294 --> 00:48:43,474
Like, and, and so I thought you were
trying to have a discussion like that

1385
00:48:43,484 --> 00:48:47,194
'cause you were like, "Well, what
was… What did she do that was so

1386
00:48:47,194 --> 00:48:51,074
great?" It was the way you worded…
What would, what did she do that was so

1387
00:48:51,094 --> 00:48:53,554
great that you ended up coming so fast?

1388
00:48:54,014 --> 00:48:57,134
And that's when I started
sitting back going, "Oh."

1389
00:48:57,444 --> 00:48:57,724
Shit.

1390
00:48:59,324 --> 00:49:01,294
Shit's about to hit the fan.

1391
00:49:01,374 --> 00:49:02,234
Okay.

1392
00:49:02,894 --> 00:49:06,004
Uh, this is not a free-wielding
and easy conversation.

1393
00:49:06,004 --> 00:49:09,014
And so we, we've had, throughout
the years, we've had a lot of these

1394
00:49:09,054 --> 00:49:13,694
uncomfortable conversations processing
that lead into questions that lead

1395
00:49:13,694 --> 00:49:15,464
into uncomfortable conversations.

1396
00:49:15,514 --> 00:49:15,754
Yeah.

1397
00:49:17,882 --> 00:49:22,882
I, I can go on and on about all the
different experiences that we had,

1398
00:49:22,882 --> 00:49:25,982
but I broke those down for a reason.

1399
00:49:26,082 --> 00:49:26,462
Mm-hmm.

1400
00:49:26,522 --> 00:49:32,282
Um, those were some major learning
opportunities in our early ages.

1401
00:49:33,252 --> 00:49:37,462
I, I understand that you guys, you, you
haven't played with another couple yet.

1402
00:49:37,472 --> 00:49:39,352
You're still in the
early stages of talking.

1403
00:49:39,462 --> 00:49:39,922
Yeah.

1404
00:49:40,022 --> 00:49:43,072
I, I, I want you to
learn from our mistakes.

1405
00:49:43,442 --> 00:49:48,692
Uh, like I said, everything on paper,
everything that we did was wrong.

1406
00:49:49,522 --> 00:49:49,782
Yes.

1407
00:49:49,792 --> 00:49:52,712
Every way that we went
about it was the wrong way.

1408
00:49:52,712 --> 00:49:52,952
Was not the right way.

1409
00:49:52,952 --> 00:49:53,144
And we lucked out.

1410
00:49:53,144 --> 00:49:54,362
Mm-hmm.

1411
00:49:54,752 --> 00:49:59,362
We really lucked out that the way we did
things did not fuck up our relationship.

1412
00:49:59,362 --> 00:49:59,682
Yes.

1413
00:49:59,952 --> 00:50:06,082
Luckily for us, we both loved each
other so much that we refused to let

1414
00:50:06,132 --> 00:50:08,422
anything fuck up our relationship.

1415
00:50:08,432 --> 00:50:08,452
Mm-hmm.

1416
00:50:08,462 --> 00:50:09,612
We were gonna hash this out.

1417
00:50:09,622 --> 00:50:10,012
Mm-hmm.

1418
00:50:10,042 --> 00:50:11,382
We weren't gonna go to bed mad.

1419
00:50:11,382 --> 00:50:12,562
We were gonna hash this out.

1420
00:50:12,612 --> 00:50:12,642
Mm-hmm.

1421
00:50:12,862 --> 00:50:14,812
And we did that for several years.

1422
00:50:14,812 --> 00:50:15,072
Yeah.

1423
00:50:15,332 --> 00:50:19,452
You know, where we, we really had to sit
down and go, "We're gonna hash this out."

1424
00:50:19,492 --> 00:50:19,812
Yeah.

1425
00:50:19,902 --> 00:50:22,092
"
I don't care if it takes-" And
we did … "24 hours." Yeah.

1426
00:50:22,092 --> 00:50:22,282
Yeah.

1427
00:50:22,282 --> 00:50:22,422
Yeah.

1428
00:50:22,452 --> 00:50:23,372
We did that a lot.

1429
00:50:23,382 --> 00:50:23,682
Mm-hmm.

1430
00:50:23,712 --> 00:50:26,952
And I remember there were several
times where I sat back and I was

1431
00:50:26,962 --> 00:50:30,872
like, "I fucking love her too
much to let this fuck us up."

1432
00:50:31,042 --> 00:50:31,332
Yeah.

1433
00:50:31,512 --> 00:50:33,302
Like, I had those thoughts a lot early on.

1434
00:50:33,302 --> 00:50:34,872
It's like, we love each
other way too much.

1435
00:50:34,902 --> 00:50:41,582
And, y- you know, it really helped us
with, with different experiences, and it

1436
00:50:41,792 --> 00:50:48,722
helped us… A- a- and, and in between
these experiences, we, we would go months-

1437
00:50:49,252 --> 00:50:49,602
Yes

1438
00:50:49,622 --> 00:50:52,192
…
without even playing.

1439
00:50:52,202 --> 00:50:53,732
It was more conversation.

1440
00:50:53,742 --> 00:50:53,762
Yeah.

1441
00:50:54,182 --> 00:50:56,782
We've gone years without playing.

1442
00:50:56,782 --> 00:50:57,702
I wouldn't say years.

1443
00:50:57,752 --> 00:50:58,652
We've gone at least

1444
00:50:59,012 --> 00:50:59,037
a year.

1445
00:50:59,037 --> 00:50:59,502
We played every year.

1446
00:50:59,512 --> 00:51:01,322
We played every year at least once.

1447
00:51:01,612 --> 00:51:02,122
You think?

1448
00:51:02,192 --> 00:51:03,142
We played every year.

1449
00:51:03,442 --> 00:51:05,562
And so, I mean, for me,
it wasn't… There you go.

1450
00:51:05,572 --> 00:51:06,362
It wasn't even that-

1451
00:51:06,432 --> 00:51:07,452
I can remember almost every

1452
00:51:07,452 --> 00:51:11,102
instance … it wasn't that great
of experiences for me to remember.

1453
00:51:11,252 --> 00:51:14,072
And see, that was the part that I
struggled with, because something that

1454
00:51:14,072 --> 00:51:18,832
you have to understand, and this is
rampant in the lifestyle, is there

1455
00:51:18,832 --> 00:51:21,602
are a lot of men who struggle to work.

1456
00:51:21,742 --> 00:51:22,122
Mm-hmm.

1457
00:51:22,132 --> 00:51:22,772
For one thing.

1458
00:51:22,812 --> 00:51:22,932
Mm-hmm.

1459
00:51:23,282 --> 00:51:24,982
There are a lot of men who are nervous.

1460
00:51:25,072 --> 00:51:28,242
There are a lot of men who
already struggle with ED problems.

1461
00:51:28,362 --> 00:51:29,682
You add anxiety on top of that.

1462
00:51:29,972 --> 00:51:33,032
There are a lot of men who
will see you and be intimidated

1463
00:51:33,032 --> 00:51:34,532
but still wanna pursue you.

1464
00:51:34,792 --> 00:51:37,752
There are whatever reasons,
there's a book full of them- Yeah

1465
00:51:37,762 --> 00:51:40,302
as to why the dick will not work.

1466
00:51:40,362 --> 00:51:40,672
Mm-hmm.

1467
00:51:41,052 --> 00:51:48,762
Um, and probably 99% of it
does not revolve around you.

1468
00:51:48,852 --> 00:51:49,052
Yeah.

1469
00:51:49,052 --> 00:51:50,022
It's around the gap.

1470
00:51:50,092 --> 00:51:50,412
Yeah.

1471
00:51:51,082 --> 00:51:54,672
Uh, and so that's something
that you have to first expect.

1472
00:51:55,082 --> 00:51:55,462
Mm-hmm.

1473
00:51:55,462 --> 00:51:57,422
And when it happens, not take personally.

1474
00:51:57,482 --> 00:51:57,842
Yes.

1475
00:51:58,272 --> 00:52:02,522
Um, but also understand that
it's, it's not easy to find a good

1476
00:52:02,522 --> 00:52:05,622
experience with a guy most times.

1477
00:52:08,467 --> 00:52:09,207
Is that fair to say?

1478
00:52:10,967 --> 00:52:11,248
Um

1479
00:52:13,372 --> 00:52:15,762
Because you're not the only
person that I've heard this from

1480
00:52:16,152 --> 00:52:19,822
Yeah, unfortunately, if a guy doesn't
tell you… Like, I have guys now

1481
00:52:19,822 --> 00:52:23,902
that tell me, "Hey, it takes me a long
time. Um, I'd rather go down on you

1482
00:52:23,902 --> 00:52:28,582
for a while before we have sex." Okay,
because they're being super transparent.

1483
00:52:29,132 --> 00:52:32,922
When you don't tell me and I'm
waiting and you're trying to stuff

1484
00:52:33,342 --> 00:52:40,012
a s- you know, very soft dick inside
me, um, and you know that you always

1485
00:52:40,022 --> 00:52:42,702
have this issue, then that sucks.

1486
00:52:42,742 --> 00:52:45,012
But yeah, I mean, I would,
I would agree with you.

1487
00:52:45,022 --> 00:52:48,572
I always felt bad because- I would
agree … you know, obviously for me,

1488
00:52:48,862 --> 00:52:51,232
uh, it's hard to have a bad experience.

1489
00:52:51,252 --> 00:52:54,492
Not, not to say that I haven't
had bad experiences with women.

1490
00:52:54,492 --> 00:52:55,452
There have been a few.

1491
00:52:55,482 --> 00:52:57,312
But you also don't suffer from ED.

1492
00:52:57,892 --> 00:52:58,492
I don't.

1493
00:52:58,532 --> 00:52:58,682
Yeah.

1494
00:52:58,682 --> 00:52:59,022
I don't.

1495
00:52:59,042 --> 00:53:04,422
And, but, and, and that's something that
I had to really kind of explain, uh, to

1496
00:53:04,422 --> 00:53:08,322
my lovely wife here, is that, you know,
it, there's a lot of pressure on us guys.

1497
00:53:08,392 --> 00:53:08,862
Yeah.

1498
00:53:08,952 --> 00:53:11,862
Um, and it's, it's hard
to rise to the occasion.

1499
00:53:12,142 --> 00:53:16,562
And of course, if you can't get
your dick hard, a lot of us guys

1500
00:53:16,582 --> 00:53:18,562
are like, we feel like failures.

1501
00:53:18,722 --> 00:53:19,992
And you start getting

1502
00:53:19,992 --> 00:53:20,052
in your head.

1503
00:53:20,052 --> 00:53:20,742
It's, it's, it's in your head.

1504
00:53:20,742 --> 00:53:21,032
Yeah.

1505
00:53:21,032 --> 00:53:21,672
It's there.

1506
00:53:21,732 --> 00:53:21,982
Yeah.

1507
00:53:21,982 --> 00:53:23,432
It's hard to bounce back from that.

1508
00:53:23,942 --> 00:53:28,292
Uh, and of course, if I'm in my
head and I'm trying to please

1509
00:53:28,292 --> 00:53:29,982
you, that ain't gonna happen.

1510
00:53:29,992 --> 00:53:30,322
Yeah.

1511
00:53:30,372 --> 00:53:31,052
You know what I mean?

1512
00:53:31,122 --> 00:53:31,332
Yeah.

1513
00:53:31,332 --> 00:53:32,982
So obviously you're
gonna be affected by it.

1514
00:53:32,982 --> 00:53:33,152
And, and

1515
00:53:33,152 --> 00:53:35,452
condoms- You're gonna have a bad
experience … condoms really, um,

1516
00:53:35,512 --> 00:53:39,832
if you've, if they've never used
condoms and it's their first time- If,

1517
00:53:39,832 --> 00:53:41,112
yeah, they've been with their wife for

1518
00:53:41,112 --> 00:53:43,032
years … it's gonna, they're gonna,
yeah, it's gonna be a struggle, so

1519
00:53:43,032 --> 00:53:44,502
you have to be patient with that.

1520
00:53:44,862 --> 00:53:49,412
And I didn't understand any of that
until we had conversations, so.

1521
00:53:49,582 --> 00:53:50,052
Yeah.

1522
00:53:50,102 --> 00:53:50,372
Yeah.

1523
00:53:50,372 --> 00:53:54,142
You know, the number one thing
that I would advise you guys

1524
00:53:54,162 --> 00:53:57,112
is, uh, communicate 100%.

1525
00:53:57,112 --> 00:53:57,922
Mm-hmm.

1526
00:53:58,302 --> 00:54:03,662
If it seems like you're communicating
too much, you're doing it right.

1527
00:54:04,282 --> 00:54:04,642
Um-

1528
00:54:04,652 --> 00:54:05,192
Yes

1529
00:54:05,262 --> 00:54:08,652
…
it, you know, if you feel like
you're just, "I'm, I, I'm, I'm

1530
00:54:08,662 --> 00:54:10,132
over-communicating with you right now.

1531
00:54:10,132 --> 00:54:13,312
I'm giving you way too many
details," you're doing it right.

1532
00:54:13,372 --> 00:54:16,222
I am an, I am an over-communicator.

1533
00:54:16,282 --> 00:54:22,782
I will tell him about every
conversation that I have.

1534
00:54:22,832 --> 00:54:23,192
Yeah.

1535
00:54:23,422 --> 00:54:24,602
She'll be like, "Oh, uh,"

1536
00:54:24,602 --> 00:54:25,322
But for the most part, I,

1537
00:54:25,392 --> 00:54:26,922
I do get- … "this, this guy
messaged me today and said

1538
00:54:26,922 --> 00:54:27,682
hello," and I'm like, "Okay."

1539
00:54:27,692 --> 00:54:28,002
Yeah.

1540
00:54:28,052 --> 00:54:31,342
I do get super busy, but for the
most part, I tell him about…

1541
00:54:32,212 --> 00:54:32,942
He doesn't really care.

1542
00:54:32,972 --> 00:54:33,492
I don't.

1543
00:54:33,772 --> 00:54:34,252
He's like, "Okay." I

1544
00:54:34,262 --> 00:54:35,712
don't, unless it turns sexual, I don't

1545
00:54:35,712 --> 00:54:35,882
care.

1546
00:54:35,882 --> 00:54:36,802
Yeah, he doesn't care.

1547
00:54:36,802 --> 00:54:37,102
You know?

1548
00:54:37,102 --> 00:54:38,602
And so, um,

1549
00:54:40,732 --> 00:54:41,392
I- that's me.

1550
00:54:41,642 --> 00:54:42,662
He is not like that.

1551
00:54:43,452 --> 00:54:44,722
Uh, he will, uh- I-
He's not like that, so.

1552
00:54:44,722 --> 00:54:44,842
Uh,

1553
00:54:44,842 --> 00:54:48,932
you know, so this was something that
we had to talk about and I had to

1554
00:54:48,932 --> 00:54:52,612
really get her to understand kind
of my, my frame of reference, my, my

1555
00:54:52,612 --> 00:54:57,582
point of view in this, is because I,
I understand where she's coming from.

1556
00:54:57,842 --> 00:54:59,302
She's an oversharer.

1557
00:54:59,312 --> 00:55:03,252
She over-communicates all of
these details, even the ones that

1558
00:55:03,272 --> 00:55:05,902
don't need to be communicated-
Mm-hmm … as far as I'm concerned.

1559
00:55:06,462 --> 00:55:10,514
Um, and I had to explain to her, I said,
"You know- I don't tell you every time

1560
00:55:10,514 --> 00:55:15,794
somebody messages me, and the reason why
is because a lot of people that message

1561
00:55:15,794 --> 00:55:18,842
me Many of them aren't going anywhere.

1562
00:55:18,942 --> 00:55:19,092
Mm-hmm.

1563
00:55:19,102 --> 00:55:20,612
And I know that immediately.

1564
00:55:21,212 --> 00:55:27,372
Um, when people message me, when a, when
a woman messages me, if one, if I'm not

1565
00:55:27,392 --> 00:55:31,592
interested right off the bat, chances are
I might not be interested later on either.

1566
00:55:31,602 --> 00:55:31,632
Mm-hmm.

1567
00:55:31,642 --> 00:55:33,412
So, you know, there's that.

1568
00:55:33,822 --> 00:55:37,972
But then as the conversation goes
on, I'm either gonna get pulled

1569
00:55:37,972 --> 00:55:39,592
in and be interested or I'm not.

1570
00:55:39,902 --> 00:55:40,162
Right.

1571
00:55:40,172 --> 00:55:44,752
And so there was… I would have
these, uh, conversations with women

1572
00:55:44,752 --> 00:55:46,222
that I knew weren't going anywhere.

1573
00:55:46,282 --> 00:55:46,392
Mm-hmm.

1574
00:55:46,982 --> 00:55:50,102
And then she would find out that I was
having conversations with these women,

1575
00:55:50,102 --> 00:55:52,862
and she's like, "Well, why didn't you
disclose that to me?" And I said, "Well,

1576
00:55:52,862 --> 00:55:54,842
because they're not going anywhere.

1577
00:55:55,092 --> 00:55:56,292
I'm not gonna sleep with them."

1578
00:55:56,502 --> 00:55:56,732
Yeah.

1579
00:55:56,742 --> 00:55:58,302
"
We're not talking sexually.

1580
00:55:58,302 --> 00:56:01,752
It's not, there's nothing going on here
except for the fact that they're messaging

1581
00:56:01,752 --> 00:56:05,572
me." Um, and, and you were like, "Well,
how would you like it if I did that

1582
00:56:05,572 --> 00:56:07,202
to you?" And I'm like, "That's fine.

1583
00:56:07,672 --> 00:56:08,412
That's okay.

1584
00:56:08,662 --> 00:56:11,132
You don't have to tell me every Tom,
Dick, and Harry that sends you a

1585
00:56:11,132 --> 00:56:12,832
message unless it's going somewhere."

1586
00:56:12,882 --> 00:56:13,162
Mm-hmm.

1587
00:56:13,202 --> 00:56:17,262
"
Then I need to know about it." So
it took you a while to understand

1588
00:56:17,382 --> 00:56:18,852
kind of my point of view on that.

1589
00:56:18,852 --> 00:56:25,922
But, um, I've also come a long way in that
I, I pretty much let you know, you know.

1590
00:56:25,992 --> 00:56:27,022
Yeah, yeah.

1591
00:56:27,072 --> 00:56:29,122
Uh, any messages that I get.

1592
00:56:29,132 --> 00:56:29,162
Mm-hmm.

1593
00:56:29,532 --> 00:56:33,042
Uh, just because it, what I realize
now, and you've gotten me to understand

1594
00:56:33,042 --> 00:56:37,262
your point of view in the fact that
w- we handle each other's phones

1595
00:56:37,272 --> 00:56:38,342
daily, like, without thinking.

1596
00:56:38,342 --> 00:56:39,102
Mm-hmm.

1597
00:56:39,342 --> 00:56:42,472
She's like, "Oh, I, I, I… Can I
use your camera?" "Yeah, here you go.

1598
00:56:42,592 --> 00:56:44,772
Go for it." We know
each other's passwords.

1599
00:56:44,772 --> 00:56:46,532
We know how to get into
each other's social medias.

1600
00:56:46,802 --> 00:56:48,692
There is nothing secretive.

1601
00:56:49,282 --> 00:56:55,032
Uh, but the reason why I overshare
with her at this point, because

1602
00:56:55,032 --> 00:56:56,482
I know how she knows how I feel.

1603
00:56:56,522 --> 00:56:57,002
Mm-hmm.

1604
00:56:57,002 --> 00:56:57,172
But

1605
00:56:57,172 --> 00:57:00,442
the reason why I overshare at this point
is because she made a really good point.

1606
00:57:00,442 --> 00:57:03,262
She said, "You know, if
I'm using your phone-

1607
00:57:03,422 --> 00:57:03,802
Mm-hmm

1608
00:57:03,812 --> 00:57:07,742
…
and a message comes in from
somebody, and I didn't know that

1609
00:57:07,742 --> 00:57:10,662
you were talking to them, then I'm
gonna be like, 'What the fuck?'"

1610
00:57:10,752 --> 00:57:11,182
Mm-hmm.

1611
00:57:11,642 --> 00:57:16,332
And I thought to myself, "That is a
really good fucking point, because I

1612
00:57:16,332 --> 00:57:21,642
don't wanna eat shit, you know, and have
this uncomfortable conversation-" Yeah

1613
00:57:21,652 --> 00:57:24,732
because you saw that somebody was
messaging me, and it was some- and

1614
00:57:24,742 --> 00:57:26,602
maybe you felt some type of way
about it- Mm-hmm … and it was

1615
00:57:26,602 --> 00:57:27,932
something that you didn't know about.

1616
00:57:27,982 --> 00:57:28,272
Yeah.

1617
00:57:28,542 --> 00:57:29,972
Then it looks like I'm hiding.

1618
00:57:30,122 --> 00:57:30,352
Yeah.

1619
00:57:30,402 --> 00:57:32,372
It looks like I'm not being transparent.

1620
00:57:32,382 --> 00:57:32,612
Yes.

1621
00:57:32,892 --> 00:57:34,962
So I was like, "Okay, I get it."

1622
00:57:35,112 --> 00:57:35,322
Mm-hmm.

1623
00:57:35,392 --> 00:57:37,612
And yes, we can, we can fix that.

1624
00:57:37,622 --> 00:57:37,642
Yeah.

1625
00:57:37,652 --> 00:57:39,672
So I'm, I'm more open to it now.

1626
00:57:39,832 --> 00:57:40,222
Yeah.

1627
00:57:40,222 --> 00:57:40,322
Yeah.

1628
00:57:40,322 --> 00:57:40,612
Yeah,

1629
00:57:40,612 --> 00:57:41,102
you are.

1630
00:57:41,262 --> 00:57:41,672
Yeah.

1631
00:57:41,822 --> 00:57:46,382
I mean, it's, it's, um, from the
beginning to now, very different.

1632
00:57:46,422 --> 00:57:47,232
Night and day.

1633
00:57:47,242 --> 00:57:49,062
And so, and, and that's
really what you're asking.

1634
00:57:49,092 --> 00:57:53,252
A lot of this stuff, we
had to learn trial by fire.

1635
00:57:53,262 --> 00:57:53,562
Yes.

1636
00:57:53,612 --> 00:57:56,112
We had to get into the big, uh, arguments.

1637
00:57:56,112 --> 00:57:57,312
We had to figure things out.

1638
00:57:57,312 --> 00:58:01,412
We had to learn how to vet- Oh,
yeah … for the proper experiences.

1639
00:58:01,412 --> 00:58:01,662
Yes.

1640
00:58:01,662 --> 00:58:03,972
And that's another thing that
you gotta learn, is you've

1641
00:58:03,982 --> 00:58:06,402
gotta not jump into experiences.

1642
00:58:06,732 --> 00:58:11,362
Go vet 100%- Ask questions … until the
both of y'all- Yes … feel comfortable.

1643
00:58:11,372 --> 00:58:11,712
Comfortable.

1644
00:58:11,762 --> 00:58:12,092
Yes.

1645
00:58:12,092 --> 00:58:12,492
Absolutely.

1646
00:58:12,512 --> 00:58:13,292
Exactly.

1647
00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:13,850
Yeah.

1648
00:58:13,890 --> 00:58:18,350
You can't do it any other way because,
uh, if you do it any other way, one

1649
00:58:18,370 --> 00:58:21,050
or the other is going to have issues.

1650
00:58:21,110 --> 00:58:21,290
Yeah.

1651
00:58:21,290 --> 00:58:25,590
There's going to have some, some dark
contention inside that's gonna build

1652
00:58:25,590 --> 00:58:27,770
and bubble and eventually spill over.

1653
00:58:27,820 --> 00:58:28,160
Yeah.

1654
00:58:28,210 --> 00:58:29,385
And it's not gonna be a good conversation.

1655
00:58:29,385 --> 00:58:29,600
No,

1656
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:30,090
it won't.

1657
00:58:30,110 --> 00:58:30,860
It won't be good.

1658
00:58:30,900 --> 00:58:35,780
I mean, it can, it can
cause cracks in a marriage.

1659
00:58:35,790 --> 00:58:40,970
It can do a lot of damage to friendships,
relationships in any type of way.

1660
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:41,420
Yeah.

1661
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:48,768
Um, you know, best advice is communicate,
talk about experiences W- talk about

1662
00:58:48,768 --> 00:58:53,898
what you expect your experiences to
be, what you expect from each other.

1663
00:58:54,268 --> 00:58:54,468
Yeah.

1664
00:58:54,508 --> 00:58:58,438
Um, if you disagree, find
out why you disagree.

1665
00:58:59,398 --> 00:59:03,098
We… You have to agree to disagree
sometimes, and it is what the fuck it is.

1666
00:59:03,108 --> 00:59:03,128
Yeah.

1667
00:59:03,548 --> 00:59:08,918
Um, find a common ground because if
you don't, it's going to be hard.

1668
00:59:08,928 --> 00:59:12,948
So if you're already going to, like,
events and clubs and stuff like

1669
00:59:12,948 --> 00:59:15,488
that, you know, start, start slow.

1670
00:59:15,938 --> 00:59:16,518
Yeah.

1671
00:59:16,758 --> 00:59:17,788
Yeah, for sure.

1672
00:59:17,798 --> 00:59:19,158
There's so many different ways to do that.

1673
00:59:19,188 --> 00:59:20,068
And you know what?

1674
00:59:20,138 --> 00:59:26,248
If you see your partner doing something
that you don't like, communicate

1675
00:59:26,248 --> 00:59:30,388
it with them instead of holding
it in and doing something- Yes

1676
00:59:30,388 --> 00:59:31,128
to hurt them.

1677
00:59:31,188 --> 00:59:31,508
Yes.

1678
00:59:31,928 --> 00:59:36,548
Uh, one-upping your, your partner
or your spouse is never a good idea.

1679
00:59:36,628 --> 00:59:37,028
Mm-mm.

1680
00:59:37,028 --> 00:59:37,748
You know what I'm saying?

1681
00:59:37,748 --> 00:59:43,408
That th- th- a fight doesn't
work for people if everybody's

1682
00:59:43,408 --> 00:59:44,848
trying to win the fight.

1683
00:59:44,848 --> 00:59:44,938
Mm-hmm.

1684
00:59:44,938 --> 00:59:45,338
Mm-hmm.

1685
00:59:45,388 --> 00:59:47,468
That's the… It's not… You're
not gonna get anything solved.

1686
00:59:47,528 --> 00:59:47,848
Yeah.

1687
00:59:47,918 --> 00:59:48,588
You know what I mean?

1688
00:59:48,898 --> 00:59:52,878
Uh, if you feel like you have to one-up
your partner because they did this

1689
00:59:52,878 --> 00:59:55,858
and now you're gonna sh- you're gonna
teach them a lesson by doing this,

1690
00:59:56,338 --> 00:59:57,928
um, then you might as well break up.

1691
00:59:58,118 --> 00:59:58,418
Mm-hmm.

1692
00:59:58,418 --> 01:00:00,968
You might as well go your
separate ways because this

1693
01:00:00,968 --> 01:00:02,408
relationship is not a priority.

1694
01:00:02,528 --> 01:00:02,738
Yeah.

1695
01:00:02,908 --> 01:00:05,938
You have to have the emotional
intelligence to sit down and go,

1696
01:00:05,968 --> 01:00:10,138
"Okay. Look, I did not like that,
and I would really, really love

1697
01:00:10,138 --> 01:00:12,138
it if that never happened again."

1698
01:00:12,328 --> 01:00:13,598
If you did not do that.

1699
01:00:13,668 --> 01:00:14,098
Yeah.

1700
01:00:14,298 --> 01:00:15,178
I mean, it sucks.

1701
01:00:15,248 --> 01:00:15,478
Yeah.

1702
01:00:15,478 --> 01:00:16,168
But it is what it is.

1703
01:00:16,168 --> 01:00:16,548
It is.

1704
01:00:16,568 --> 01:00:17,598
You gotta say it.

1705
01:00:18,048 --> 01:00:21,758
Um, and I think that was probably
the biggest lesson that we learned,

1706
01:00:22,168 --> 01:00:24,428
was being able to communicate.

1707
01:00:24,438 --> 01:00:24,458
Yeah.

1708
01:00:24,468 --> 01:00:27,418
And even still to this
day, like, it's, it's hard.

1709
01:00:27,418 --> 01:00:27,743
Yeah.

1710
01:00:27,743 --> 01:00:28,448
It's hard.

1711
01:00:28,508 --> 01:00:28,758
It is

1712
01:00:28,758 --> 01:00:28,768
hard.

1713
01:00:28,768 --> 01:00:29,318
You know?

1714
01:00:29,348 --> 01:00:33,798
I've, I've sat back and, and told Pris,
I'm like, you know, "I didn't like that."

1715
01:00:34,888 --> 01:00:35,838
It's very rare-

1716
01:00:36,008 --> 01:00:36,468
Mm-hmm

1717
01:00:36,608 --> 01:00:38,358
…
that I say stuff like that,
but it's like, "I didn't like

1718
01:00:38,368 --> 01:00:40,378
that." Uh, and it's like, "Okay.

1719
01:00:41,338 --> 01:00:42,318
Let's talk about that." Yeah.

1720
01:00:42,378 --> 01:00:42,768
You know?

1721
01:00:42,778 --> 01:00:42,798
Yeah.

1722
01:00:42,808 --> 01:00:43,833
Or vice versa, you know?

1723
01:00:43,833 --> 01:00:43,983
Mm-hmm.

1724
01:00:43,983 --> 01:00:46,598
She's like, at the end of the night she's
like, "You know, I didn't care for that."

1725
01:00:46,618 --> 01:00:47,358
Well, I didn't care.

1726
01:00:47,358 --> 01:00:48,378
Like, oh, okay.

1727
01:00:48,478 --> 01:00:48,768
All right.

1728
01:00:48,768 --> 01:00:48,978
Yeah.

1729
01:00:49,358 --> 01:00:49,758
You know?

1730
01:00:49,758 --> 01:00:52,388
So that's, that's really what-
It's … it comes down to.

1731
01:00:52,578 --> 01:00:53,728
Learn from our lessons.

1732
01:00:53,748 --> 01:00:54,178
Yes.

1733
01:00:54,568 --> 01:00:56,508
You know, learn from
the people around you.

1734
01:00:56,518 --> 01:00:57,678
Everybody's got stories like these.

1735
01:00:57,678 --> 01:00:59,518
Everybo- They really do.

1736
01:01:00,508 --> 01:01:04,608
And you're gonna have experiences that you
don't, aren't, you know, you don't like.

1737
01:01:04,798 --> 01:01:06,392
It is what it is, 'cause you
don't know- It is what it is

1738
01:01:06,392 --> 01:01:07,408
what you like until you like it.

1739
01:01:07,528 --> 01:01:07,888
Yeah.

1740
01:01:07,888 --> 01:01:08,148
So.

1741
01:01:08,148 --> 01:01:08,628
Totally.

1742
01:01:09,058 --> 01:01:09,238
Yeah.

1743
01:01:09,288 --> 01:01:09,658
Totally.

1744
01:01:09,718 --> 01:01:10,408
I love that, though.

1745
01:01:10,938 --> 01:01:11,448
That was a good one.

1746
01:01:11,758 --> 01:01:13,988
Well, I hope this helps you
too, and honestly, thank you

1747
01:01:13,988 --> 01:01:15,678
for trusting us with that.

1748
01:01:15,768 --> 01:01:17,688
That's exactly what
this confessional's for.

1749
01:01:17,778 --> 01:01:18,028
Yeah.

1750
01:01:18,028 --> 01:01:20,878
And if you've got your own confession
out there, your own question or

1751
01:01:20,878 --> 01:01:25,958
story, anonymous or not, head to
beyond-monogamy.com and leave it for us.

1752
01:01:26,148 --> 01:01:29,762
You might just hear us talk about
it on a future episode Uh, and

1753
01:01:29,772 --> 01:01:33,572
while you're on that site, thank you
very much, you wanna poke around.

1754
01:01:34,022 --> 01:01:34,752
Ha ha.

1755
01:01:35,192 --> 01:01:35,427
That was me poking.

1756
01:01:35,427 --> 01:01:35,562
Like I do.

1757
01:01:35,562 --> 01:01:36,592
Yeah, she's poking.

1758
01:01:37,072 --> 01:01:41,152
You'll find every past episode, clips
from the show, our merch store that

1759
01:01:41,152 --> 01:01:45,352
this woman has created a lot of fun
things for, our blog of which I write,

1760
01:01:45,612 --> 01:01:48,542
and of course, that confessional
that we were just talking about.

1761
01:01:48,542 --> 01:01:53,102
So don't forget, every Thursday
evening at 7:00 PM Central, we go live

1762
01:01:53,102 --> 01:01:56,532
right there on the website, totally
free to watch, no strings attached.

1763
01:01:56,552 --> 01:02:00,032
All you gotta do is go to the website,
navigate to the top where it says

1764
01:02:00,032 --> 01:02:02,862
live, click it, and just talk to us.

1765
01:02:03,082 --> 01:02:03,792
Yes.

1766
01:02:03,822 --> 01:02:06,662
And if you want more of us outside
of Thursdays, we're also a part of

1767
01:02:06,662 --> 01:02:09,472
the lineup over at fullswapradio.com.

1768
01:02:09,472 --> 01:02:13,582
You'll catch us there Thursdays at 2:00
and 7:00 PM Central, alongside a whole

1769
01:02:13,807 --> 01:02:17,367
cavalcade of other adult
podcasters worth checking out.

1770
01:02:17,487 --> 01:02:17,907
Yeah.

1771
01:02:18,227 --> 01:02:22,407
And speaking of Thursdays and live events,
we are going to be doing a live show in

1772
01:02:22,407 --> 01:02:27,287
February from Krazy Winter Nights, hosted
by Krazy Kasbh and Full Swap Radio.

1773
01:02:27,767 --> 01:02:31,107
If you're thinking about coming
out, and you really should be-

1774
01:02:31,277 --> 01:02:31,407
Mm-hmm

1775
01:02:31,417 --> 01:02:37,587
…
because it's gonna be fun, use our
code Beyomono, that's B-E-Y-O-M-O-N-O,

1776
01:02:37,617 --> 01:02:40,277
at krazykasbh.com for a discount.

1777
01:02:40,537 --> 01:02:43,987
Now, you don't want to
just sound that out.

1778
01:02:44,317 --> 01:02:45,327
Go to our show notes.

1779
01:02:45,327 --> 01:02:46,507
The website's right there.

1780
01:02:46,507 --> 01:02:49,107
Click the link, 'cause we'd
love to meet you out there.

1781
01:02:49,187 --> 01:02:49,497
Yeah.

1782
01:02:49,497 --> 01:02:52,727
So before we go, if you enjoyed this
episode, do us a favor, like it,

1783
01:02:52,737 --> 01:02:56,647
subscribe if you haven't, share it
with a friend who needs to hear it.

1784
01:02:56,687 --> 01:02:58,687
And if you've got a
minute, leave us a review-

1785
01:02:59,127 --> 01:02:59,217
Yeah

1786
01:02:59,327 --> 01:03:02,427
…
because it genuinely helps this
little show reach more people.

1787
01:03:02,867 --> 01:03:03,167
Yeah.

1788
01:03:03,167 --> 01:03:06,527
You know, we've, uh, we've
really, uh, expanded.

1789
01:03:06,537 --> 01:03:08,587
Our show is, is taking off.

1790
01:03:08,937 --> 01:03:11,977
Uh, and we have our current
listeners to thank for that.

1791
01:03:11,977 --> 01:03:12,252
Yes.

1792
01:03:12,252 --> 01:03:12,547
Thank you.

1793
01:03:12,547 --> 01:03:17,337
But hey, every listener out there who
can share, and every listener out there

1794
01:03:17,337 --> 01:03:20,497
who can review, and every listener who
can just go up to their friends and go,

1795
01:03:20,777 --> 01:03:24,657
"Hey, this is a good show. You should
check it out," we appreciate you.

1796
01:03:24,667 --> 01:03:25,437
We love you.

1797
01:03:25,597 --> 01:03:28,387
And with that, we thank you all
for joining us for another weekend,

1798
01:03:28,387 --> 01:03:30,137
and we will see you guys next week.

1799
01:03:30,513 --> 01:03:31,187
Bye.