June 21, 2026

Inside Naughty N'Awlins: The World's Largest Lifestyle Event with Founder Bob Hannaford

What does it take to build the world's largest lifestyle event from a house party to a 3,000+ person New Orleans takeover? Adam and Pris sit down with Bob Hannaford, founder and CEO of Naughty Events and the mastermind behind Naughty N'Awlins — the most iconic swinger and kink convention on the planet. Bob pulls back the curtain on 28 years of growth, the Cathedral of Kink dungeon, the Sexual Freedom Parade, consent culture at scale, and what makes Naughty N'Awlins unlike any event in the lifestyle.

In this episode:

  • How Naughty N'Awlins grew from a 175-person house party to a sold-out global event
  • The Sexual Freedom Parade — why it makes grown adults cry in the streets
  • Consent at 3,000+ people: required tests, independent advocates, and 20+ pages of policy
  • The Cathedral of Kink, the Dark Room, and the new Afterglow after-hours lounge
  • Tips for anxiety sufferers navigating a massive lifestyle event
  • Why New Orleans is the perfect city for sexual freedom

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All right, y'all.

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Before we dive in, a quick heads-up

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This show is raw, real,
and definitely not rated PG

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We're talking about adult themes,
sexual content, and the kinda stuff you

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probably don't want blasting through
your speakers at work or around your kids

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So grab some headphones, pour your
drink of choice, and get comfy

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Oh, and just so we're clear,
we are not licensed therapists,

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counselors, or sex couches.

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Sex coaches.

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Sex coaches.

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Not sex couches

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We're just a couple of people sharing
our lives, experiences, and sexy

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adventures in ethical non-monogamy.

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So with that, pull up a
chair and enjoy the show

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Hello, and welcome to another
episode of Beyond Monogamy.

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I'm Adam.

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And I'm Pris.

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Now, before we bring in today's
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Naughty N'Awlins right quick.

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Naughty N'Awlins 2026, July 8th
through the 12th in New Orleans.

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It is already sold out, people.

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Is it really?

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It is.

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It's already sold out.

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Wow.

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If you are not registered, get on that
wait list right now at naughtyevents.com.

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And if you've missed it this
year, start planning for 2027.

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Mm-hmm.

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Because today's conversation,
it's gonna make you very, very

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motivated to get your spot early.

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Is it?

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Absolutely.

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Now, our guest today didn't
just attend the lifestyle, he

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literally built a piece of it.

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He's been running some of the most
iconic events in the swinger and kink

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communities for over two decades.

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Wow.

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Yeah, and Naughty N'Awlins
is his crown jewel.

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We're joined by the founder and CEO
of Naughty Events, the man behind

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the blue hair and the biggest-

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lifestyle convention on
the planet, Bob Hannaford.

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Bob, welcome to Beyond Monogamy.

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Hi.

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Hi, guys.

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Thanks for having me.

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Love the hair, by the way.

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It's, it's a little different, huh?

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I used to, you know, I used to have
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um, for about five years, and then
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I started growing gray, and now it's
like I will never dye my hair again.

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I do miss it.

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It is fun, but the upkeep-

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I used to dye mine white on
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don't have to do that anymore.

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I used to have hair.

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Well, look at, yeah.

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his hair.

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So- Adam's almost completely gray.

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Yeah, when we, uh, you know,
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beard, it w- it had spots of, of

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just getting- Like real
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I'm just, I'm just
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But I do love the hair.

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It's very fun.

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We, news has traveled about
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Uh, when we first started digging
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first learned about it from, Dan and
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And she's the one who put us
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And, uh, and we were
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But we're just skimming
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I really gotta know, how
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And I know that that's probably a loaded
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vision back in the late '90s, early 2000s?

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and they quickly outgrew our house.

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We had a party with 175 people
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"Bob, we can't do this anymore."

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I mean, the, the cars were parked
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started to affect the neighbors.

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a, into a restaurant actually at
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But, you know, Naughty started, it
started by just inviting people over

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to our house, and it, it just grew.

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And back then, this'll date me, I did
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Yahoo.

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Yahoo Groups.

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I was, I was a, I was an American
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AOL … chatroom person.

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I was a fan.

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I was a fan.

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I remember downloading fi- pictures,
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You'd see, like, a quarter of it, and
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bit further, and there'd be half of it.

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days.

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A lot's changed since then.

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So I was gonna say, This is the
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of the biggest, takeovers in the
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Well, Myrina from Accidental Swingers
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one of the biggest ones in the world.

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Is that right?

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Yeah, I mean, there's not very big
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the US, I don't think.

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But we're, we're certainly the largest in
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Uh, I think there's been a
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you know, more people on them.

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Uh, we're just limited by
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We, we could have sold probably another
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off the, registration two months ago.

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Uh, I know that people have
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and been like, "I'm trying to
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And I was like, "Oh, bummer, dude.
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Sorry … year. Sorry about that." Sorry.

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We, we may have some day
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Some years we get more
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And usually they happen about-
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event because that's when they have
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they- Get a refund on their rooms

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So this event was in your house, right?

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It was 175 people, and
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So, and you went to a
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Has it always been in your mind
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play parties, or did you have, like,
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than it was a play party, right?

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lake, so it was a lot of boating-
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and swimming, and just having fun.

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and, and then it'd become a play party.

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also about people getting to know
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and the play part was just, kind of…
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which means a little something extra.

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, But when we start- I like that.

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When we started doing the, the
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realized that having an educational,

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part of our events was really important.

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It's kind of our way of giving
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I like that because there's a lot
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lot of events and takeovers that
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of, I think a little bit of education
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people love, people in the
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Like, they love to hear others,
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Not that they're gonna accept it- … but
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Well, but I think it's important if
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there's parties, there's pool parties,
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daytime playtime, nighttime playtime.

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But if you can go home learning something
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or even a better person, to me,
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That is all.

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Now, your, your event
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At what point did you start
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Oh, well, this is our 28th year.

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And, uh, we had classes the very first
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maybe two a day, so maybe six classes.

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The most we've had is over 130.

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And, and this year I'm
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It's well over 100.

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And, uh, and something interesting, , this
show's being taped, on 6/9, June the 9th.

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Uh-huh.

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69. Uh-huh.

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That's National it's National
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So it's- Is it?

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… kind of an interesting… It is.

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It's, I, I wanna put that out there and
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are going out and traveling to these
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hard to talk about, and educating people.

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Uh-huh.

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And, my hat's off to our whole crew of
teachers that come and teach at Naughty.

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have a list.

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Oh, yeah.

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You know, we, we've been seeing the- Yeah.

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We, we're looking at the,

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we've been looking

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at the list … yeah, we're, like,
addicted to this Yapp app- … uh, that,

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that you guys have for everybody and,
and, just seeing everybody post, on the

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social part of it and kind of getting
an idea of who's gonna be there, and

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some of the teachers are posting in
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um, I feel like that alone is definitely
an awesome thing that you guys do.

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And I'll tell you why.

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I am, I'm, I'm an anxious bird.

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Like, I, I have anxiety.

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I don't do, uh… I, I don't really
care for, uh- Crowds … crowds.

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Mm-hmm.

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Which y- you know, I'm in
the wrong line of business,

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obviously- … 'cause we go to a lot
of, things where there are crowds.

232
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Um, but I can, I can do fine in them.

233
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But for somebody who suffers from anxiety-

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Mm-hmm

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what would you, what would you tell
somebody who's interested in coming and,

236
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how would you console them, make them
feel a little bit- … better on that?

237
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Well, I, I will give you a couple tips.

238
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Uh, number one is there's lots
of small events that we do.

239
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Okay.

240
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You know?

241
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So, so concentrate on a lot of the smaller
events, some of the meet and greets

242
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and, and some of the smaller classes and
events so that you're not overwhelmed.

243
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When you do go to some of the larger
events, like the Bourbon Street

244
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parties, there's always somewhere
inside that isn't so crowded.

245
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Like I'll take the beach, for example.

246
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If you go into the courtyard
where the foam party is at the

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beach, I mean, it's nuts to butts.

248
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You're gonna be in some
pretty tight quarters.

249
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But if you stay at the entrance,
there's a, there's a bar that

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you enter when you first come in.

251
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It's usually not very crowded there.

252
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You can always find places.

253
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A lot of our places have Bourbon
Street balconies, and you can get

254
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out there, and there's only so
many people that go on the balcony.

255
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So look for places even in
our big ballrooms, okay?

256
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We have, I think we have f- 50 or
60 tables in our main ballroom.

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Grab one of the tables that's kinda off
to the side and that way you're kinda

258
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sitting back and everyone's in front
of you and they're not surrounding you.

259
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So I'd say that's a few tips I would get.

260
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Those are good tips.

261
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The other thing is- Yeah … go
to your room and take breaks.

262
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Oh,

263
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yeah.

264
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And, you know, take a nap.

265
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Uh, sleep is a very difficult
thing to find at Naughty 'cause

266
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people get, um, they get FOMO.

267
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They hear about there's a party
there, there's a party here.

268
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And sometimes you just need to go to
your room and take a break to, number

269
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one, reconnect with your partner, and
sometimes you just need to take a nap.

270
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Yeah.

271
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So- Oh, yeah … those would
be a couple tips, I would say.

272
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That's, that's true.

273
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We've gone to a takeover before
and have done a live show.

274
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Yeah.

275
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Mm. And then went to the room and-

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And

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pretty

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much stayed in

279
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the room the whole
weekend … stayed there.

280
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Like, we've been to takeovers and
we're just like, "Nope, we're just

281
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gonna stay in our room right now."

282
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You know, it's, it's, it's one of
those things, like you said, it,

283
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you, you kinda have to sit back
and go, "Okay, even though I have

284
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FOMO, I know I need to sleep."

285
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Yeah.

286
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You know?

287
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"I know I need to- But you
know- … I need to get that break."

288
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You know what really caught my
attention about Naughty is that

289
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you guys offer daytime stuff.

290
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Um- Mm-hmm … I am all about
daytime play, I'm all about daytime

291
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whatever, because we're early birds.

292
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Yeah.

293
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So by 10:00, I wanna be in bed already.

294
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I wanna be in my PJs.

295
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I know that's not gonna happen this
time- … because I'm trying to

296
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soak up every moment of- Wear your

297
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PJs downstairs.

298
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Come see us in your PJs.

299
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There you go.

300
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There you go.

301
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That's perfect.

302
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That's a good plan right there.

303
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Um, that's my thing, like I just,
I'm glad that y'all are, offering

304
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things during the day because,
you know, I want something to do.

305
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You know, I'm really curious, and I find
this probably incredibly fascinating, but

306
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I know New Orleans is very, open-minded.

307
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Mm-hmm.

308
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Mm-hmm.

309
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And, and we love that about New
Orleans, but, uh, I hear a lot of

310
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horror stories about swingers trying
to start up takeovers and trying

311
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to start up clubs and different
events and things like that- Mm-hmm

312
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in doesn't matter what city, and
they run into a lot of negativity.

313
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They run into a lot of walls from
the community and that sort of thing.

314
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Sure.

315
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Did you, did you run into stuff like this
when you were, when you were exploding

316
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at the rate that you were exploding?

317
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We never had a, we've never had
a single issue in New Orleans.

318
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Um, we've done events like, we've done
hotel takeovers in Key West, Las Vegas.

319
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Miami, Los Angeles, Chicago, and we've
done- we've chartered many cruise ships.

320
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The biggest trouble we've
had is in Las Vegas.

321
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And, so what I tell people that are
starting out and doing stuff like this

322
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is go, go to your local city, go to your
local police department, talk to them,

323
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tell them what you're trying to do.

324
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Uh, to try to do something
underground and sneaky and hidden,

325
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it's gonna come out at some point.

326
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Mm-hmm.

327
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And why put all the effort into it to
find out that a city is hellbent on

328
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keeping you from doing what you're doing?

329
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A lot of times they just don't
understand what you wanna do, and if

330
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you can explain it to them and show
them i- it's gonna help the economy,

331
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you're gonna bring people to that town.

332
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A, a city like New Orleans
has no issues, and-

333
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Mm-hmm

334
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they welcome us with welcome arms.

335
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Mm-hmm.

336
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We work well with the police
department, and with the convention

337
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visitors bureau, all kinds of things.

338
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But there are certainly cities that are
not as open-minded as New Orleans, and I

339
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would say find a city that you're welcome
in before you spend all the time and

340
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effort to put something up, especially
a club that's full-time- Yeah, yeah

341
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or even an event.

342
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Like, there- there's plenty of
places you can do amazing events in

343
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this country where people want you.

344
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So find out that first.

345
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That is so true.

346
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That's

347
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a great point.

348
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I have a fun little
fact about New Orleans.

349
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Oh?

350
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I have two fun little facts.

351
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One, they are the first ones to
actually document a gay neighborhood.

352
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Really?

353
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Like, there was these beautiful Victorian
homes that nobody wanted to live in.

354
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Mm-hmm.

355
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And one gay couple came.

356
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They bought the house.

357
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They renovated it.

358
00:14:42,772 --> 00:14:45,992
They had all their friends, drag
queens, so you would see drag queens

359
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go up and down this, this beautiful
French neighborhood in New Orleans.

360
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Yeah.

361
00:14:51,472 --> 00:14:52,022
That's an interesting

362
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fact.

363
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And they are actually known to be the
first ones to have drag queen shows.

364
00:14:58,192 --> 00:14:59,202
Wow, look at you- Yeah.

365
00:14:59,212 --> 00:14:59,802
… with your facts.

366
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I just saw a true crime about it.

367
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There you go.

368
00:15:02,422 --> 00:15:04,452
That's … We're on the right podcast.

369
00:15:04,592 --> 00:15:06,742
Oh, I know there's lots of great
drag shows, burlesque shows.

370
00:15:06,782 --> 00:15:07,422
Yeah.

371
00:15:07,592 --> 00:15:08,612
Yeah, and burlesque.

372
00:15:08,752 --> 00:15:09,922
Um- Mm-hmm

373
00:15:09,922 --> 00:15:13,852

yeah, New Orleans is a very,
I, I think, gay-friendly city-

374
00:15:14,002 --> 00:15:15,702
Yeah … compared to a lot.

375
00:15:15,772 --> 00:15:21,362
Uh, it's also the first neighborhood
of free people of color, and I, I think

376
00:15:21,362 --> 00:15:25,022
that's in the Treme, which is close-
Wow … right next to the French Quarter.

377
00:15:25,022 --> 00:15:25,438
Treme, yeah.

378
00:15:25,438 --> 00:15:29,332
So there, there's a lot of, there's a lot
of not so great history in New Orleans.

379
00:15:29,332 --> 00:15:29,432
Of course.

380
00:15:29,432 --> 00:15:31,232
There's a lot of great
history in New Orleans.

381
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Yeah.

382
00:15:31,332 --> 00:15:36,492
And, but, I mean, the food, the
architecture, the history, the music,

383
00:15:36,852 --> 00:15:40,772
just the overall energy and vibe
in New Orleans is why we're there.

384
00:15:41,272 --> 00:15:44,912
Oh yeah, we actually are doing the full
four-day, and then we added a couple

385
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of days so that we could spend- 'Cause

386
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we're crazy

387
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some personal time out there.

388
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Nice.

389
00:15:48,872 --> 00:15:50,097
We've never actually been to New Orleans.

390
00:15:50,097 --> 00:15:50,962
Yeah, we've never been.

391
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We've driven through.

392
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We've, passed by.

393
00:15:53,742 --> 00:15:54,422
Never- It's about as good as it

394
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gets

395
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never have been.

396
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And, and you know, I wanted to
go when I was younger because-

397
00:15:59,882 --> 00:16:01,592
Mm-hmm … of, the… Not Naughty.

398
00:16:01,622 --> 00:16:01,992
What is it?

399
00:16:02,832 --> 00:16:03,392
Mardi Gras.

400
00:16:03,542 --> 00:16:04,072
Mardi Gras.

401
00:16:04,162 --> 00:16:07,522
Sorry, my mind went… So there's
one, I was living here in Austin, and

402
00:16:07,522 --> 00:16:11,582
there's a Mardi Gras on 6th Street,
and I got- Sure … so excited.

403
00:16:11,582 --> 00:16:11,962
I went.

404
00:16:11,962 --> 00:16:13,662
It was the first time
I showed my boobs off.

405
00:16:13,722 --> 00:16:13,802
Oh.

406
00:16:14,452 --> 00:16:15,622
I was like, "Oh my gosh."

407
00:16:15,622 --> 00:16:16,002
Scandalous.

408
00:16:16,102 --> 00:16:17,112
Very scandalous.

409
00:16:17,122 --> 00:16:17,142
Yeah.

410
00:16:17,642 --> 00:16:19,502
And so I got excited about that.

411
00:16:19,522 --> 00:16:25,502
Well, I never ever, ever went, and
so now I'm so excited to get those

412
00:16:25,512 --> 00:16:26,912
beads, 'cause I heard that it's like-

413
00:16:27,712 --> 00:16:29,142
it's like Mardi Gras.

414
00:16:29,272 --> 00:16:30,442
I'm like, "I'm so down."

415
00:16:30,952 --> 00:16:32,882
It's an off-season Mardi Gras, for sure.

416
00:16:32,892 --> 00:16:33,242
Yeah.

417
00:16:33,242 --> 00:16:36,152
And, uh, not as many beads as you'll find-

418
00:16:36,202 --> 00:16:36,442
That's

419
00:16:36,482 --> 00:16:37,382
okay … in Mardi Gras.

420
00:16:37,452 --> 00:16:40,442
But you'll find plenty,
I, I have no doubt.

421
00:16:40,492 --> 00:16:41,322
I'm sure.

422
00:16:41,552 --> 00:16:48,142
Well, you know, What I'm really fascinated
by is, is how you- basically transform-

423
00:16:48,452 --> 00:16:48,642
The

424
00:16:48,652 --> 00:16:48,892
hotels

425
00:16:48,892 --> 00:16:50,312
such large hotels.

426
00:16:50,322 --> 00:16:53,652
Like, what does it take logistically
to transform a hotel into

427
00:16:53,652 --> 00:16:55,392
Naughty N'Awlins, uh, the way

428
00:16:55,662 --> 00:16:55,712
it is?

429
00:16:55,712 --> 00:16:57,292
Like, y'all have to be
starting already for next year.

430
00:16:57,302 --> 00:17:00,172
You guys have playrooms, the
dungeon, the themed parties.

431
00:17:00,172 --> 00:17:04,742
Like, I just, just setting up a
gang bang for her is logistically-

432
00:17:04,752 --> 00:17:06,272
Yeah … uh, you know, it blows my mind.

433
00:17:06,272 --> 00:17:08,462
So I can't even imagine the
stress that's involved with this.

434
00:17:08,582 --> 00:17:09,612
I can help you with that.

435
00:17:09,742 --> 00:17:10,352
Okay, thank you.

436
00:17:10,902 --> 00:17:11,352
Awesome.

437
00:17:11,362 --> 00:17:16,622
Logistically, it is, it, it's, it's more
than most people understand, you know.

438
00:17:16,622 --> 00:17:22,142
Our staff is… I think last year we
had, uh, about 130 staff members and,

439
00:17:22,462 --> 00:17:24,502
and of that is a lot of paid people.

440
00:17:24,502 --> 00:17:28,682
We have a lot of people that we pay,
from audiovisual companies that we hire-

441
00:17:28,832 --> 00:17:29,142
Mm-hmm

442
00:17:29,222 --> 00:17:33,342
To, we have supervisors that kind
of manage certain things for us.

443
00:17:33,502 --> 00:17:33,772
Mm-hmm.

444
00:17:33,822 --> 00:17:36,552
And then we have lots of
volunteers, and the volunteers

445
00:17:36,582 --> 00:17:38,462
come, from all over the country.

446
00:17:38,472 --> 00:17:40,822
Some of them are host
couples at other clubs.

447
00:17:40,912 --> 00:17:45,032
So they, they're used to working in
this capacity and helping out and they

448
00:17:45,032 --> 00:17:50,642
just, they like being behind the scenes
and like being part of the show, and

449
00:17:50,702 --> 00:17:53,032
we, thank God they do because we need-

450
00:17:53,582 --> 00:17:54,422
we need them.

451
00:17:54,422 --> 00:17:58,962
We start loading in on Monday, and it
takes us three days to set everything up.

452
00:17:59,472 --> 00:17:59,852
Wow.

453
00:17:59,892 --> 00:18:04,662
And, and then we start tearing down
at 4:00 a.m. Saturday night, and,

454
00:18:04,662 --> 00:18:06,962
we have everything out by, by noon.

455
00:18:07,522 --> 00:18:08,122
Wow.

456
00:18:08,132 --> 00:18:12,612
And, it's quite… Uh, setting
up is harder than taking down.

457
00:18:12,702 --> 00:18:12,862
Mm-hmm.

458
00:18:12,882 --> 00:18:17,732
But, um, but we have an amazing
team , and we have, I think a total of

459
00:18:17,732 --> 00:18:24,382
seven large trucks that, we just take
turns filling, and they run off to the

460
00:18:24,382 --> 00:18:28,702
warehouse, and then we fill the next,
and it runs off, and we just repeat- Wow

461
00:18:28,752 --> 00:18:29,267
rinse and repeat.

462
00:18:29,267 --> 00:18:29,482
Yeah.

463
00:18:29,482 --> 00:18:32,832
But it's, it takes, you know, the
whole thing, it takes a village.

464
00:18:32,832 --> 00:18:34,632
, It takes a large crew.

465
00:18:35,142 --> 00:18:38,362
We spell crew in New Orleans K-R-E-W-E.

466
00:18:38,652 --> 00:18:38,672
Mm-hmm.

467
00:18:38,682 --> 00:18:39,802
Like a Mardi Gras krewe.

468
00:18:40,342 --> 00:18:43,412
And we look at our team of
people as it's our krewe.

469
00:18:43,412 --> 00:18:48,082
It's like a family more than it
is just dealing with volunteers.

470
00:18:48,182 --> 00:18:51,352
Everything from the, sex
educators we just talked about-

471
00:18:51,552 --> 00:18:51,902
Mm-hmm

472
00:18:51,952 --> 00:18:56,522

uh, to the volunteers to our paid staff,
it's, it really is part of a big family,

473
00:18:56,582 --> 00:18:58,522
a big naughty family, so to speak.

474
00:18:59,042 --> 00:18:59,312
Big naughty family.

475
00:18:59,902 --> 00:19:00,022
That's,

476
00:19:00,672 --> 00:19:01,722
that's cool, man.

477
00:19:01,942 --> 00:19:07,172
Now, you know, I, I'm curious, do you, do
you attempt to raise the bar each year?

478
00:19:07,402 --> 00:19:10,592
Like, do you go, "Okay, how are
we gonna top this year?" Um-

479
00:19:10,772 --> 00:19:12,482
I mean, 'cause the themes alone

480
00:19:12,982 --> 00:19:13,222
Yeah.

481
00:19:13,262 --> 00:19:16,222
Uh, you know, it's,
it's been an evolution.

482
00:19:16,242 --> 00:19:20,202
When you look at what we do today
compared to what we did 28 years

483
00:19:20,202 --> 00:19:22,722
ago, it's vastly different, you know?

484
00:19:22,732 --> 00:19:26,202
Back then we didn't have a dungeon, and
now I think we have the most incredible

485
00:19:26,212 --> 00:19:28,902
dungeon you'll ever see at any event.

486
00:19:29,372 --> 00:19:30,922
We call it the Cathedral of Kink.

487
00:19:30,932 --> 00:19:34,952
It's huge, it's beautiful, um-
Wow … and it's, it's just

488
00:19:34,962 --> 00:19:40,152
well-staffed and has just incredible
furniture and, just visually stunning.

489
00:19:40,592 --> 00:19:44,802
So that's, that's an evolution that
we've had over the years and it's only

490
00:19:44,802 --> 00:19:49,012
been a couple years since we've had it
in its current state, and you'll see.

491
00:19:49,042 --> 00:19:50,792
I mean, you need to go around
and look at everything.

492
00:19:51,302 --> 00:19:55,672
Last year we did a kind of an after-hours
party for the first time, kind of

493
00:19:55,672 --> 00:20:00,332
like a little hidden rave, like a
speakeasy, and oh my God, it was packed.

494
00:20:00,842 --> 00:20:04,202
And what we found out is there's
a lot of people at 2:00 in the

495
00:20:04,202 --> 00:20:08,452
morning- … unlike you guys- … still
looking for something to do.

496
00:20:08,852 --> 00:20:11,572
So I thought, "All right. Let's
open the place up till 4:00 in the

497
00:20:11,572 --> 00:20:15,242
morning." I mean, I was there every
night till 4:00 in the morning.

498
00:20:15,402 --> 00:20:17,272
I mean, that sounds like fun, you

499
00:20:17,272 --> 00:20:17,452
know?

500
00:20:17,452 --> 00:20:17,782
It was packed.

501
00:20:18,282 --> 00:20:20,712
And so we added that last year.

502
00:20:20,802 --> 00:20:23,212
We, uh, we changed up
the dungeon last year.

503
00:20:23,652 --> 00:20:26,932
This year we're doing something
different where we're changing

504
00:20:26,932 --> 00:20:28,372
all the names to the venues.

505
00:20:28,372 --> 00:20:32,132
Like it used to be the Grand
Ballroom and the Astor Ballroom.

506
00:20:32,802 --> 00:20:36,752
This year, New Orleans is broken
up into districts, so you got the

507
00:20:36,752 --> 00:20:38,422
6th District, the 8th District.

508
00:20:38,762 --> 00:20:42,082
The different areas, neighborhoods so
to speak- Uh-huh … of New Orleans.

509
00:20:42,092 --> 00:20:42,122
Uh-huh.

510
00:20:42,462 --> 00:20:46,752
So we're doing the Voodoo
Club is gonna be our district.

511
00:20:46,862 --> 00:20:48,212
It's kind of our EDM room.

512
00:20:48,602 --> 00:20:50,522
And our after-hours place is
gonna be called Afterglow.

513
00:20:50,522 --> 00:20:53,492
After you have sex, what's after that?

514
00:20:53,512 --> 00:20:54,272
The afterglow.

515
00:20:54,282 --> 00:20:54,302
Yeah.

516
00:20:54,312 --> 00:20:58,592
So go down and, not quite ready to go to
bed, go down, listen to some great music

517
00:20:58,592 --> 00:21:00,602
and kinda unwind and get ready for bed.

518
00:21:01,102 --> 00:21:05,412
So we have the Masquerade Salon as our
main ballroom, and it just, everything

519
00:21:05,412 --> 00:21:08,132
has a New Orleans feel to it and- Yeah

520
00:21:08,142 --> 00:21:10,482
we're always evolving and adding things.

521
00:21:10,482 --> 00:21:14,182
And, this year we're bringing a little
French Quarter Fest into it where

522
00:21:14,662 --> 00:21:17,802
when you go to French Quarter Fest,
a music festival in New Orleans, uh-

523
00:21:17,802 --> 00:21:23,552
Uh-huh … absolutely phenomenal, every
stage has a sign with handwritten, names

524
00:21:23,552 --> 00:21:25,142
of the artist that's up on the stage.

525
00:21:25,472 --> 00:21:30,472
So we're handwriting signs for
every DJ, every band, every piano

526
00:21:30,472 --> 00:21:35,172
player, artist, kinda like you'd
see at a New Orleans festival.

527
00:21:35,582 --> 00:21:39,732
So we're, we're trying to really
integrate the fabric of New Orleans-

528
00:21:39,942 --> 00:21:41,062
In the… Okay … and

529
00:21:41,302 --> 00:21:45,702
into the event itself so you really
get a sense of New Orleans even if

530
00:21:45,702 --> 00:21:47,552
you don't know it or understand it.

531
00:21:48,042 --> 00:21:52,106
Um, a- another thing we do I
think that's different is we

532
00:21:52,106 --> 00:21:53,816
take you outside the hotel.

533
00:21:54,296 --> 00:21:56,926
Most hotel takeovers, you
never leave the hotel.

534
00:21:56,956 --> 00:21:57,616
Yeah, you don't.

535
00:21:57,746 --> 00:21:58,036
Yeah.

536
00:21:58,036 --> 00:21:58,876
You eat, sleep-

537
00:21:59,236 --> 00:21:59,596
Yeah

538
00:21:59,616 --> 00:22:00,586

do everything there.

539
00:22:01,006 --> 00:22:05,376
Um, it could be in Peoria,
Illinois or Topeka, Kansas.

540
00:22:05,386 --> 00:22:06,156
It doesn't matter.

541
00:22:06,966 --> 00:22:12,066
Ours matters because you're actually out
walking around the French Quarter, and we

542
00:22:12,066 --> 00:22:18,476
do a lot of things that I think is really
ingrains New Orleans into the event and

543
00:22:18,566 --> 00:22:20,766
integrates the event into New Orleans.

544
00:22:20,996 --> 00:22:24,226
So I, I think those are the difference
that's kinda kept us around.

545
00:22:24,326 --> 00:22:29,226
That, that brings me actually into,
my next thing because I've, I am so

546
00:22:29,226 --> 00:22:33,866
fascinated about the sexual freedom
parade, uh- Mm … that you guys have.

547
00:22:33,896 --> 00:22:39,046
One, I mean, I wouldn't even think
to, to set up a parade of swingers

548
00:22:39,046 --> 00:22:40,646
to walk the, walk the streets.

549
00:22:40,676 --> 00:22:42,176
I've seen some clips of it.

550
00:22:42,196 --> 00:22:43,776
I thought it was incredible.

551
00:22:43,796 --> 00:22:45,276
I can't wait to be a part of it.

552
00:22:45,666 --> 00:22:47,416
But Tell us about that.

553
00:22:47,416 --> 00:22:48,926
Where did that idea even come from?

554
00:22:48,926 --> 00:22:50,426
What does it mean to the community?

555
00:22:50,926 --> 00:22:55,426
Well, I used to be on the board of the,
the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom,

556
00:22:55,886 --> 00:23:01,436
and it was, I think, a brainstorm session
I had with some of the people involved

557
00:23:01,456 --> 00:23:04,286
way back then to actually have a parade.

558
00:23:04,726 --> 00:23:09,316
And you know, I've been to a lot
of Pride parades, and I've actually

559
00:23:09,656 --> 00:23:15,426
been in Pride parades, and I thought,
wow, I wish there was a parade that

560
00:23:15,426 --> 00:23:21,776
doesn't just celebrate, your sexual
orientation but sexual freedom.

561
00:23:22,556 --> 00:23:25,006
And it-- to me it's two
different things, right?

562
00:23:25,436 --> 00:23:29,226
And, it just came to me one day
that, boy, it sure would be cool

563
00:23:29,226 --> 00:23:35,496
to have a Mardi Gras-type parade
that is celebrating sexual freedom.

564
00:23:35,876 --> 00:23:39,966
And I reached out to the city of New
Orleans and said, "What would it take

565
00:23:40,186 --> 00:23:44,586
to do this parade?" And they told me,
"Oh, you just gotta fill out a parade

566
00:23:44,606 --> 00:23:50,036
permit and pay us $125." And I thought-
Okay … wow, that's a great deal.

567
00:23:50,506 --> 00:23:54,286
Well, I, I think the logistics for
this year's parade is, is, it's over

568
00:23:54,286 --> 00:24:00,566
$17,000 for- Wow … cause we have to
hire police and clean up and, uh- Right

569
00:24:00,566 --> 00:24:05,506
we bring floats and i- it's just, it's
grown to be a lot more than $125 than-

570
00:24:05,536 --> 00:24:06,036
Yeah.

571
00:24:06,436 --> 00:24:07,236

in the beginning.

572
00:24:07,246 --> 00:24:09,676
And, we're actually printing
a new, banner this year.

573
00:24:10,286 --> 00:24:15,906
But, people tell me every year, 'cause
I think this is our 14th or 15th

574
00:24:15,906 --> 00:24:18,296
parade, they sleep on the parade.

575
00:24:18,306 --> 00:24:20,176
They think, "Oh yeah, the
parade, that'll be fun."

576
00:24:20,756 --> 00:24:27,266
And people have very emotional moments in
this parade, like walking down the street

577
00:24:27,846 --> 00:24:31,236
in broad daylight and people are cheering-

578
00:24:31,466 --> 00:24:32,696
I'm looking forward to that

579
00:24:32,856 --> 00:24:33,476

and- Yeah … thumbs up.

580
00:24:33,886 --> 00:24:38,496
And I've had people start crying, and,
and people just get really emotional

581
00:24:38,546 --> 00:24:44,136
and said, "Wow, I, I, I didn't expect
this." And it's very emotional for me

582
00:24:44,146 --> 00:24:50,476
because- Look, I've lost two careers
thanks to, this lifestyle, right?

583
00:24:50,476 --> 00:24:52,446
One of them a military career.

584
00:24:52,916 --> 00:24:59,616
And it means a lot to me to be able
to march down a street and be who I

585
00:24:59,616 --> 00:25:05,486
am and, and not be ashamed and not
worry about what's gonna happen to me.

586
00:25:06,036 --> 00:25:09,226
And, and it's funny, a lot of people
are like, "Oh, I can't march in a

587
00:25:09,416 --> 00:25:13,726
swinger parade." I s- it's not a swinger
parade, it's a sexual freedom parade.

588
00:25:13,816 --> 00:25:14,056
Mm-hmm.

589
00:25:14,086 --> 00:25:16,846
And you're not saying you're
a swinger, you're just saying

590
00:25:16,856 --> 00:25:18,566
you believe in sexual freedom.

591
00:25:18,976 --> 00:25:22,366
And if you don't feel comfortable,
then just wave and hoot and

592
00:25:22,366 --> 00:25:23,996
holler at us and catch some beads.

593
00:25:24,096 --> 00:25:24,476
Mm-hmm.

594
00:25:24,486 --> 00:25:28,796
And, uh, and some of those same people,
uh, ended up jumping in the parade and

595
00:25:28,796 --> 00:25:32,826
walking with us and saying it was the
most empowering thing they've ever done.

596
00:25:33,486 --> 00:25:36,026
So, I, I'm- Love that … I'm
very proud of, of that.

597
00:25:36,026 --> 00:25:40,796
I mean, I, I'm very proud of Naughty,
but I think, I think this is even

598
00:25:40,796 --> 00:25:45,326
bigger and, uh, and I hope one day maybe
there'll be a parade in another city.

599
00:25:45,456 --> 00:25:46,416
So we'll see.

600
00:25:46,576 --> 00:25:47,486
That would, that would be really cool.

601
00:25:47,486 --> 00:25:47,876
You know- That would

602
00:25:47,876 --> 00:25:48,426
be great

603
00:25:48,436 --> 00:25:51,736

feeling seen is very, very big.

604
00:25:51,756 --> 00:25:57,406
Especially- Mm-hmm … uh, you know, like
you said, losing careers over being open.

605
00:25:57,696 --> 00:25:58,116
I mean-

606
00:25:58,256 --> 00:25:58,486
Yeah

607
00:25:58,486 --> 00:26:02,816

let me tell you, Bob, right now, uh,
I got laid off in August of last year,

608
00:26:02,876 --> 00:26:07,456
and now I'm- Mm-hmm … I'm finally
looking for work and I'm getting turned

609
00:26:07,456 --> 00:26:11,506
down quite a bit, and I think part of
it is because a, a simple Google search

610
00:26:11,506 --> 00:26:13,966
will bring up this podcast and, uh- Mm

611
00:26:13,966 --> 00:26:15,906
you know, our, our postings
and things like that.

612
00:26:15,926 --> 00:26:20,306
And, you know- Right … we're here in,
in Texas, where, uh, you know, a lot

613
00:26:20,306 --> 00:26:24,466
of the people who are judging you on
this lifestyle are secretly doing it.

614
00:26:24,566 --> 00:26:25,146
You know what I mean?

615
00:26:25,146 --> 00:26:25,326
Yeah.

616
00:26:25,326 --> 00:26:25,636
Yeah.

617
00:26:25,636 --> 00:26:26,326
Um, but- It's always

618
00:26:26,326 --> 00:26:26,916
that way

619
00:26:26,986 --> 00:26:28,076

but that's the way it is.

620
00:26:28,106 --> 00:26:33,776
I mean, and, and, you know, the
stress of losing, uh, a job or a

621
00:26:33,776 --> 00:26:35,606
career or losing family- Mm-hmm

622
00:26:35,606 --> 00:26:41,256
sometimes, I hate to say it, is
fully worth the freedom of being

623
00:26:41,296 --> 00:26:42,536
out and being yourself 100%.

624
00:26:42,536 --> 00:26:43,356
Mm-hmm.

625
00:26:43,836 --> 00:26:47,386
Um, and so the sexual freedom
parade, I think I, I can see

626
00:26:47,386 --> 00:26:48,686
how people would get emotional.

627
00:26:48,686 --> 00:26:49,636
I think it's incredible.

628
00:26:49,676 --> 00:26:49,906
Yeah.

629
00:26:49,946 --> 00:26:53,136
And I think that's a really, really
amazing thing that you're doing.

630
00:26:53,586 --> 00:26:55,596
Um- Mm-hmm … it's exciting.

631
00:26:56,096 --> 00:27:01,406
Well, I think also most people- At
least believe they can't be out, right?

632
00:27:01,796 --> 00:27:02,256
Mm-hmm.

633
00:27:02,306 --> 00:27:06,646
And, and I think, I think we're
way behind the curve when it comes

634
00:27:06,646 --> 00:27:09,116
to, you know, the LGBTQ+ community.

635
00:27:09,116 --> 00:27:14,116
They… But if you look back 30 years
ago, m- most people were in the closet,

636
00:27:14,686 --> 00:27:19,906
and it took brave people to come
forward and get into marches and come

637
00:27:19,906 --> 00:27:22,786
forward, and it's visibility, right?

638
00:27:22,816 --> 00:27:26,986
People, I had an interesting post
I put on Facebook recently, and it

639
00:27:27,116 --> 00:27:32,686
kind of went viral, unexpectedly,
and it was about visibility, right?

640
00:27:32,726 --> 00:27:36,366
And people saying, "Well, why do
we even need Pride Month?" And

641
00:27:36,376 --> 00:27:40,456
it's because without visibility,
there's discrimination.

642
00:27:40,956 --> 00:27:40,976
Mm-hmm.

643
00:27:41,026 --> 00:27:47,396
And until you know someone that is
gay, lesbian, whatever, trans, it's

644
00:27:47,396 --> 00:27:49,286
very easy to discriminate against them.

645
00:27:49,286 --> 00:27:54,476
But when it's your son or your daughter
or your uncle or your, a coworker

646
00:27:54,476 --> 00:27:59,156
that you like and you find out they're
gay, you're a lot, lot less likely

647
00:27:59,156 --> 00:28:02,036
to discriminate against them, and
I, I feel it's the same way for us.

648
00:28:02,036 --> 00:28:07,666
So for those of us who can get in this
parade and march, it's a strong signal

649
00:28:07,696 --> 00:28:13,626
that it's okay, and even the people
that decide not to march, I think it's

650
00:28:13,626 --> 00:28:18,916
a signal to them that maybe one day
you'll be able to march, too- Mm-hmm

651
00:28:19,156 --> 00:28:22,626
and be proud of who you
are and not ashamed.

652
00:28:22,706 --> 00:28:28,586
And I think it's that visibility
that is needed nationally, so that

653
00:28:28,586 --> 00:28:33,976
there is less, you know- people
making fun of and, and discriminating

654
00:28:33,976 --> 00:28:39,656
against and, um, and causing
problems and possibly custody issues-

655
00:28:40,126 --> 00:28:40,416
Yeah.

656
00:28:40,416 --> 00:28:41,296
Oh, yeah … work issues.

657
00:28:41,396 --> 00:28:41,656
Yeah.

658
00:28:42,306 --> 00:28:43,236
Uh- We've actually seen a lot of that

659
00:28:43,236 --> 00:28:45,946
my goal is to see those
things go away, you know?

660
00:28:46,706 --> 00:28:47,126
One day.

661
00:28:47,186 --> 00:28:47,876
Or at least less of it.

662
00:28:47,876 --> 00:28:48,276
Yeah.

663
00:28:48,276 --> 00:28:50,566
And that's, and that's why
we have the show is we wanna

664
00:28:50,566 --> 00:28:52,106
normalize the conversation.

665
00:28:52,106 --> 00:28:56,806
We wanna make sure that people know
that swingers are not the dirty,

666
00:28:56,806 --> 00:28:58,896
trashy people that live in the dark.

667
00:28:59,176 --> 00:28:59,846
You know what I mean?

668
00:28:59,846 --> 00:29:03,606
Like, we are the people that are
shopping at the grocery store next

669
00:29:03,606 --> 00:29:04,566
to you, and you don't even know it.

670
00:29:04,792 --> 00:29:08,842
Hey, so we wanna talk about
something that actually is kind of

671
00:29:08,842 --> 00:29:10,862
important before we move any further

672
00:29:11,122 --> 00:29:14,952
Yeah, ProDX Health, and
here's why we love them

673
00:29:15,552 --> 00:29:17,182
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674
00:29:17,422 --> 00:29:21,662
Like, you get a kit, you do
it at home, you mail it back

675
00:29:22,492 --> 00:29:26,572
STIs, hormones, real stuff that you
should really actually know about

676
00:29:26,702 --> 00:29:28,282
Yeah, and there's no waiting room.

677
00:29:28,282 --> 00:29:30,742
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conversations, none of that

678
00:29:31,192 --> 00:29:34,782
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next steps, they help you with that, too

679
00:29:35,222 --> 00:29:39,882
Look, knowing what's going on with your
body is just part of taking care of

680
00:29:39,882 --> 00:29:42,052
yourself and the people that you're with

681
00:29:42,502 --> 00:29:43,142
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682
00:29:43,142 --> 00:29:46,512
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683
00:29:46,742 --> 00:29:48,852
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684
00:29:49,092 --> 00:29:49,622
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685
00:29:49,822 --> 00:29:52,712
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686
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687
00:29:57,642 --> 00:29:58,722
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688
00:29:58,912 --> 00:29:59,882
Okay, now back to it

689
00:30:00,292 --> 00:30:00,952
Back to it

690
00:30:01,099 --> 00:30:01,469
That's right.

691
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:05,319
You know, w- consent first is
a core value of your events,

692
00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:06,429
which I thought was pretty cool.

693
00:30:06,429 --> 00:30:08,129
And it really should be of every event.

694
00:30:08,179 --> 00:30:08,439
Yeah.

695
00:30:08,609 --> 00:30:12,929
But when you have a 3,000 to
4,000 person event, how do you

696
00:30:12,939 --> 00:30:14,949
actually operationalize that?

697
00:30:15,209 --> 00:30:15,499
Yeah.

698
00:30:15,499 --> 00:30:16,409
Like, how do you enforce

699
00:30:17,239 --> 00:30:17,499
it?

700
00:30:17,569 --> 00:30:19,709
It, it, it takes strategy.

701
00:30:19,879 --> 00:30:24,519
I mean, you can't just say, "Oh,
consent matters," and that's it, right?

702
00:30:24,909 --> 00:30:27,239
We started something last year
that we'd never done before.

703
00:30:27,249 --> 00:30:32,019
We actually created a video, and
we make people watch it and take a

704
00:30:32,019 --> 00:30:34,449
test before they're able to come.

705
00:30:34,459 --> 00:30:35,949
Like- Mm-hmm … nobody does that.

706
00:30:36,409 --> 00:30:41,659
But I felt like the message wasn't getting
across to some people, and I, I felt

707
00:30:41,659 --> 00:30:44,939
like there were some old school people
that were taking consent for granted.

708
00:30:44,949 --> 00:30:48,399
Mm. And those are the people
I was more concerned about

709
00:30:48,439 --> 00:30:50,349
than, than the newer folks.

710
00:30:50,889 --> 00:30:53,339
The newer folks soak up
information like a sponge.

711
00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:56,789
It's, it's the older folks that
comes from a different generation

712
00:30:57,623 --> 00:30:58,863
Look, I'm an older folk.

713
00:30:59,613 --> 00:31:03,373
I came from a different generation,
and I used to teach classes about

714
00:31:03,373 --> 00:31:07,943
consent, and I used to tell people,
this is 20 years ago, in a playroom to

715
00:31:07,943 --> 00:31:11,603
reach out and touch somebody's ankle
somewhere non-sexual, I used to say.

716
00:31:11,613 --> 00:31:12,043
Mm-hmm.

717
00:31:12,073 --> 00:31:13,623
That's no longer acceptable.

718
00:31:13,703 --> 00:31:17,813
There, there is no- nothing on a
person that's non-sexual, especially

719
00:31:17,813 --> 00:31:21,453
their skin, I think is their
biggest sexual organ is their skin.

720
00:31:21,933 --> 00:31:28,473
So now the conversation's changed, and
just like I talked about evolution, we're

721
00:31:28,473 --> 00:31:33,763
trying to evolve and make sure that we're
listening to what is current with consent.

722
00:31:33,783 --> 00:31:35,983
We have signs all over our place.

723
00:31:35,983 --> 00:31:36,623
You'll see 'em.

724
00:31:37,053 --> 00:31:40,723
We make people pass this test, and if
they don't pass it, we call them up.

725
00:31:41,223 --> 00:31:43,483
"Hey, I saw you took the test
and didn't pass it. What's

726
00:31:43,483 --> 00:31:45,183
going on? Let's talk." You know?

727
00:31:45,573 --> 00:31:50,353
And, and sometimes, you know, they
misunderstood a question or, you

728
00:31:50,353 --> 00:31:52,933
know, sometimes they think, "Oh,
well, I just thought that was

729
00:31:52,933 --> 00:31:55,283
okay," and we let them know, "No.

730
00:31:55,473 --> 00:32:00,213
At Naughty, that's not okay." We also-
Yeah … have a team on board, and their

731
00:32:00,213 --> 00:32:05,953
whole job is to be there and available
and ready in case somebody has an issue.

732
00:32:06,403 --> 00:32:10,363
They, talk to our attendees,
completely confidentiality-

733
00:32:10,623 --> 00:32:10,763
Mm-hmm

734
00:32:10,843 --> 00:32:14,653

and, , and give them somebody to
talk to that's, you know, you're

735
00:32:14,653 --> 00:32:15,733
not coming to me and talking.

736
00:32:15,733 --> 00:32:19,033
You're coming to an independent
person, and they don't answer to

737
00:32:19,033 --> 00:32:21,053
me, but they're there to make sure.

738
00:32:21,053 --> 00:32:22,163
They, they have training.

739
00:32:22,393 --> 00:32:23,923
They've done training with NCSF.

740
00:32:23,963 --> 00:32:29,223
They've done training with other programs,
to listen, and if there's a problem

741
00:32:29,223 --> 00:32:33,023
with somebody at the event, then they'll
let us know, "Hey, these people got

742
00:32:33,033 --> 00:32:35,373
to go," and we'll take care of that.

743
00:32:35,913 --> 00:32:40,163
So we have independent people that
are on our staff that deal with it.

744
00:32:40,563 --> 00:32:44,273
We have, uh, uh, monitors
in every single playroom.

745
00:32:44,693 --> 00:32:49,553
We have a supervisor that runs each of
those sections, the dungeon, the playroom

746
00:32:49,553 --> 00:32:52,463
at the NOPSY, the playroom at the Aster.

747
00:32:52,943 --> 00:32:54,273
It's a lot going on.

748
00:32:54,363 --> 00:33:02,073
I think I probably have 20 to 30 pages
of consent rules, policies, procedures.

749
00:33:02,553 --> 00:33:02,953
Um-

750
00:33:02,963 --> 00:33:03,533
That's awesome.

751
00:33:03,903 --> 00:33:04,223
That's

752
00:33:04,223 --> 00:33:04,403
awesome.

753
00:33:04,793 --> 00:33:09,961
It's, it's, it's very- It's very
regulated and very black and white.

754
00:33:10,361 --> 00:33:12,631
And, and we put that forth to everyone.

755
00:33:12,631 --> 00:33:16,291
So right before the event, you'll be
getting a couple emails, with links to

756
00:33:16,291 --> 00:33:18,571
our policies and procedures to look over.

757
00:33:19,011 --> 00:33:25,141
But we require that test because we
don't want anybody just ignoring it.

758
00:33:25,511 --> 00:33:25,791
Yeah.

759
00:33:25,791 --> 00:33:32,441
We make sure at the very least you can
pass these basic questions on consent

760
00:33:32,441 --> 00:33:33,781
before you're even allowed to come.

761
00:33:34,161 --> 00:33:34,571
Mm-hmm.

762
00:33:34,601 --> 00:33:35,221
That makes sense.

763
00:33:35,221 --> 00:33:36,721
I mean, you can't say
that you didn't know.

764
00:33:36,791 --> 00:33:37,291
Yeah.

765
00:33:37,831 --> 00:33:38,731
You have to do it before

766
00:33:38,731 --> 00:33:38,801
you go.

767
00:33:38,801 --> 00:33:39,681
What are you talking about?

768
00:33:39,711 --> 00:33:40,071
That's right.

769
00:33:40,111 --> 00:33:41,241
I don't, I don't understand.

770
00:33:41,941 --> 00:33:43,101
Well, it could be…

771
00:33:43,101 --> 00:33:48,471
The only caveat to that is we're a
couples first kind of event, and it's-

772
00:33:48,471 --> 00:33:52,141
Yeah … possible one person took it and
the other person didn't even read it.

773
00:33:52,461 --> 00:33:52,471
Mm.

774
00:33:52,531 --> 00:33:54,561
But, you know, how much can we do?

775
00:33:54,591 --> 00:33:58,181
We're, we're doing the best
we can and really making it

776
00:33:58,211 --> 00:33:59,791
an important consideration.

777
00:33:59,841 --> 00:34:01,331
We talk about it a lot at the event.

778
00:34:01,841 --> 00:34:03,751
You'll see postings on the app app.

779
00:34:04,551 --> 00:34:08,151
It- you think there's… the
app app is interesting now.

780
00:34:08,171 --> 00:34:10,001
Wait till it gets closer to the event.

781
00:34:10,621 --> 00:34:14,991
The amount of postings will
become more and more and more.

782
00:34:15,001 --> 00:34:19,021
It, it… By the time the event's
there, it's just crazy because

783
00:34:19,031 --> 00:34:19,671
that many people- I'm doom, I'm

784
00:34:19,671 --> 00:34:20,741
doom scrolling the app.

785
00:34:20,811 --> 00:34:21,101
Are you?

786
00:34:21,441 --> 00:34:21,841
Are you?

787
00:34:21,841 --> 00:34:22,931
I catch myself just, just
scrolling through it.

788
00:34:22,931 --> 00:34:23,311
You won't be able,

789
00:34:24,191 --> 00:34:26,991
you won't be able to catch up,
once- Oh … once you get there.

790
00:34:27,491 --> 00:34:28,961
So, you mentioned something.

791
00:34:28,961 --> 00:34:29,711
What was that?

792
00:34:29,921 --> 00:34:30,691
I can't remember now.

793
00:34:30,691 --> 00:34:30,701
I

794
00:34:30,701 --> 00:34:31,821
mentioned a lot of things.

795
00:34:31,821 --> 00:34:32,471
Geez.

796
00:34:32,471 --> 00:34:32,931
Think on it.

797
00:34:33,011 --> 00:34:33,361
Okay.

798
00:34:33,511 --> 00:34:38,021
In the meantime, though, uh, y- you know,
if there's, there's a lot of pe- I mean,

799
00:34:38,031 --> 00:34:40,281
3 to 4,000 people, that's, that's a lot.

800
00:34:40,311 --> 00:34:41,931
A lot of people know about you guys.

801
00:34:41,971 --> 00:34:46,161
But for those of you who have never
been, who have never shown up to,

802
00:34:46,231 --> 00:34:49,841
to one of your, events, especially
Naughty Nollans, what's the biggest

803
00:34:49,841 --> 00:34:53,451
misconception that outsiders have
about Naughty that, that you'd wanna

804
00:34:53,511 --> 00:34:55,121
just clear up and throw out there?

805
00:34:55,621 --> 00:34:57,461
Well, I hear about that early on.

806
00:34:57,461 --> 00:34:59,961
I, I think they think it's
a sex convention, right?

807
00:34:59,961 --> 00:35:00,026
Right.

808
00:35:00,026 --> 00:35:00,091
Oh.

809
00:35:00,091 --> 00:35:03,291
And it's very little part
of what Naughty's about.

810
00:35:03,471 --> 00:35:07,831
I, I think it's, it's so much more
about social interactions, meeting

811
00:35:07,831 --> 00:35:14,181
people, and, finding other people like
yourself is, is very important, right?

812
00:35:14,501 --> 00:35:20,391
It's so great that you can find people
that you can talk to about things sexual-

813
00:35:20,661 --> 00:35:20,771
Mm-hmm

814
00:35:20,811 --> 00:35:24,911
and not be judged, I, I think
is a big part of it, and,

815
00:35:24,961 --> 00:35:27,141
it's just validation, right?

816
00:35:27,661 --> 00:35:29,141
There's a lot of entertainment.

817
00:35:29,211 --> 00:35:30,581
There's a lot of parties.

818
00:35:31,101 --> 00:35:36,501
There's a lot of education, and there's
opportunities to go explore some fantasies

819
00:35:36,531 --> 00:35:41,821
and, and see what you're-- either do
the things that you're into or maybe try

820
00:35:41,821 --> 00:35:43,361
some things you've never tried before.

821
00:35:43,441 --> 00:35:50,751
I, I think we try to, we try to create
the safest space possible for you to be

822
00:35:50,751 --> 00:35:56,921
able to go do whatever fantasy you've ever
thought of and have a positive experience.

823
00:35:57,431 --> 00:36:01,681
But to me, the biggest misconception
is this is a giant sex thing,

824
00:36:01,741 --> 00:36:03,051
and it's, it's really not.

825
00:36:03,311 --> 00:36:10,783
My mom's been to my event, my son,
my sisters, um, uh- Tons of people

826
00:36:10,983 --> 00:36:16,493
that come to our event and go, "Wow,
I had no idea this was, like, so

827
00:36:16,493 --> 00:36:18,813
welcoming, and I, I feel at home here."

828
00:36:18,973 --> 00:36:23,063
And to even people that are not
swingers, not non-monogamous, not-

829
00:36:23,073 --> 00:36:23,783
Mm-hmm

830
00:36:23,783 --> 00:36:28,033

polyamorous, they feel at home
because it's, it's… We took

831
00:36:28,033 --> 00:36:30,003
our cue not from swing clubs.

832
00:36:30,003 --> 00:36:34,363
We took our cue from Mardi Gras,
and Fantasy Fest was, was a first,

833
00:36:34,723 --> 00:36:36,403
I think, inspirations for us.

834
00:36:36,963 --> 00:36:39,833
And so we're putting on a festival, right?

835
00:36:39,943 --> 00:36:45,323
And, and but there are some
places that you can go on

836
00:36:45,323 --> 00:36:46,823
our play floors and have fun.

837
00:36:47,313 --> 00:36:49,953
But it's, it's not the main focus.

838
00:36:49,973 --> 00:36:50,933
And- Mm-hmm … you'll see.

839
00:36:50,943 --> 00:36:51,183
Uh-huh.

840
00:36:51,193 --> 00:36:54,683
I mean, for those that wanna come
play in the playrooms, God love them.

841
00:36:54,683 --> 00:36:57,433
They have the Disney World, I
don't know if I can say that,

842
00:36:57,703 --> 00:36:58,663
the Disney World of- You can

843
00:36:58,663 --> 00:36:59,393
say anything.

844
00:36:59,763 --> 00:37:00,903

play areas, right?

845
00:37:01,443 --> 00:37:04,023
And, it's, uh, it's, it's incredible.

846
00:37:04,063 --> 00:37:07,033
I, our playrooms are
not like anywhere else.

847
00:37:07,273 --> 00:37:07,283
Ooh.

848
00:37:07,303 --> 00:37:08,753
And I'm, I'm very- I'm excited.

849
00:37:08,753 --> 00:37:08,923
Well,

850
00:37:09,233 --> 00:37:09,603
yeah, and I-

851
00:37:09,603 --> 00:37:10,733
I'm very proud of those

852
00:37:10,793 --> 00:37:13,983

I keep hear- so I keep hearing
about one in particular, Bob,

853
00:37:13,983 --> 00:37:16,673
and I don't know if you can guess
which one I keep hearing about.

854
00:37:16,673 --> 00:37:16,958
Okay.

855
00:37:16,958 --> 00:37:19,203
People keep telling me over and
over again, this one specific area.

856
00:37:19,203 --> 00:37:20,033
I haven't heard anything.

857
00:37:20,793 --> 00:37:21,263
Okay.

858
00:37:21,423 --> 00:37:23,523
It is the, the dark room.

859
00:37:24,223 --> 00:37:25,113
Is that- Oh, the dark room.

860
00:37:25,113 --> 00:37:25,883
Sure … the dark room.

861
00:37:25,883 --> 00:37:26,795
What, w- can you explain, Bob,

862
00:37:26,795 --> 00:37:27,370
what is the, the dark room?

863
00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:29,823
So somebody told me not to go in the
dark room, and this was a friend.

864
00:37:29,823 --> 00:37:30,403
I love it.

865
00:37:30,403 --> 00:37:31,133
I don't even, I don't know if

866
00:37:31,133 --> 00:37:31,243
he's

867
00:37:31,243 --> 00:37:31,493
ever

868
00:37:31,643 --> 00:37:31,983
been to it.

869
00:37:31,983 --> 00:37:33,973
I personally love, I
personally love the dark room.

870
00:37:33,973 --> 00:37:34,123
I'm-

871
00:37:34,223 --> 00:37:34,533
Okay

872
00:37:34,533 --> 00:37:37,323

in fa- I'll tell you a
short story about my mom.

873
00:37:37,943 --> 00:37:39,133
And, she came to our- I love where this is

874
00:37:39,243 --> 00:37:39,533
going.

875
00:37:40,033 --> 00:37:43,813
She came to our event one
year, and God, God love her.

876
00:37:43,813 --> 00:37:45,553
My mom was like a little old lady.

877
00:37:45,553 --> 00:37:49,403
She was only in her early 60s, but
she, she wore a little shawl around

878
00:37:49,403 --> 00:37:52,923
her, shoulders and looked like-
Cute … she was much older than she is.

879
00:37:52,943 --> 00:37:53,243
And-

880
00:37:53,263 --> 00:37:53,533
Mm-hmm

881
00:37:53,673 --> 00:37:55,623

I was sitting there talking
one day, and somebody came up

882
00:37:55,623 --> 00:37:57,393
and asked about the dark room.

883
00:37:57,813 --> 00:38:00,743
Didn't know it was my mom standing
there, and just said, "Bob, what is

884
00:38:00,743 --> 00:38:05,089
this dark room?" And so- I was kind of
a little embarrassed to say it, but I'm

885
00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:06,829
at work, I gotta answer the question.

886
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:11,039
And I explained that I went to a
party once, and they said… It was

887
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:14,769
a hotel takeover, and they said,
"We have a dark room." And I, so

888
00:38:14,769 --> 00:38:15,949
I said, "Oh, this is interesting.

889
00:38:15,959 --> 00:38:19,109
Let me go in the dark room." Well,
it was more like the dimly lit room.

890
00:38:19,689 --> 00:38:20,179
Okay.

891
00:38:20,439 --> 00:38:25,649
And, Tess has a photography major
and, and I used to go into actual

892
00:38:25,659 --> 00:38:31,339
dark rooms, right, to process film,
and they have special curtains

893
00:38:31,339 --> 00:38:32,759
that are blackout curtains.

894
00:38:32,759 --> 00:38:34,989
I mean, they block out 100% of the light.

895
00:38:35,339 --> 00:38:38,179
And I said, "Let's get some
of those and have a real dark

896
00:38:38,179 --> 00:38:40,499
room," and that's what we did.

897
00:38:40,879 --> 00:38:45,459
And, I was talking to this person and
saying, you know, "The reason a dark

898
00:38:45,459 --> 00:38:50,589
room is so great to people is when you
take away one of your senses, one of your

899
00:38:50,589 --> 00:38:52,709
five senses, your other senses perk up.

900
00:38:52,819 --> 00:38:54,289
Your sense of hearing perks up.

901
00:38:54,299 --> 00:38:55,489
Your sense of- Mm … touch-

902
00:38:55,769 --> 00:38:56,089
Mm-hmm

903
00:38:56,099 --> 00:38:56,809

perks up.

904
00:38:57,439 --> 00:38:59,309
Your sense of smell perks up.

905
00:38:59,329 --> 00:39:05,069
Everything perks up and, and so it's just,
it's more intense, and that's why we have

906
00:39:05,069 --> 00:39:09,689
this dark room." And a friend of mine was
standing next to me, and he goes, "No,

907
00:39:09,689 --> 00:39:15,459
Bob, that's the bi male room." He says,
"We go in there because there's still

908
00:39:15,459 --> 00:39:20,249
negative connotations for bi males, and
nobody knows what we're doing in there."

909
00:39:20,329 --> 00:39:20,659
Hmm.

910
00:39:20,659 --> 00:39:20,879
Oh.

911
00:39:20,879 --> 00:39:26,819
And I turned, and I looked, and I
said, "Really?" And, I said, "I, I

912
00:39:26,829 --> 00:39:31,969
never knew that." And it was that
conversation that ended up me creating

913
00:39:31,969 --> 00:39:35,819
an actual bi room where people would
feel comfortable going in there.

914
00:39:36,059 --> 00:39:36,989
Oh, wow.

915
00:39:37,019 --> 00:39:37,829
Okay.

916
00:39:37,879 --> 00:39:40,859
And, and they walked away, and my
mom turned and looked at me and

917
00:39:40,859 --> 00:39:43,969
goes, " I just thought the dark room
was where people went because they

918
00:39:43,969 --> 00:39:45,369
couldn't get laid anywhere else."

919
00:39:45,869 --> 00:39:47,609
And I was like, "Mom."

920
00:39:48,059 --> 00:39:48,709
Valid.

921
00:39:49,209 --> 00:39:49,469
And I thought- Wow.

922
00:39:50,429 --> 00:39:54,499
I thought, "All these things are valid,
right?" I mean, I never thought of

923
00:39:54,529 --> 00:39:57,979
any of these things going into the
dark room, and I enjoyed the dark room

924
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:01,459
for just the sheer- Anonymity Mm-hmm.

925
00:40:01,469 --> 00:40:01,929
Right?

926
00:40:02,129 --> 00:40:02,429
Yeah.

927
00:40:02,459 --> 00:40:02,649
Mm-hmm.

928
00:40:02,689 --> 00:40:06,799
And, and then I started hearing all
these different stories of what the dark

929
00:40:06,799 --> 00:40:11,909
room meant to all these other people,
and then I thought, "Okay, it's valid."

930
00:40:11,949 --> 00:40:15,349
There's lots of other reasons
to go in there, but, it's,

931
00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:16,689
it's a very interesting room.

932
00:40:16,949 --> 00:40:17,489
Okay.

933
00:40:17,489 --> 00:40:17,719
I'll say that.

934
00:40:17,729 --> 00:40:19,119
Well- You shouldn't be scared.

935
00:40:19,489 --> 00:40:20,309
I'll go in first.

936
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:21,269
Yeah.

937
00:40:21,269 --> 00:40:22,349
Yeah, I'll watch from the door.

938
00:40:22,499 --> 00:40:22,559
Okay.

939
00:40:23,059 --> 00:40:23,339
Well, thanks-

940
00:40:23,359 --> 00:40:26,909
I had friends that used to stand
outside and watch people go in,

941
00:40:26,909 --> 00:40:28,359
and if they saw the right people-

942
00:40:28,439 --> 00:40:29,569
They'd gr- they'd walk right

943
00:40:29,569 --> 00:40:29,718
in.

944
00:40:29,718 --> 00:40:31,569
they would just happen to
follow in behind them, right?

945
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:32,569
Smart.

946
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:32,779
I

947
00:40:32,809 --> 00:40:33,419
like that.

948
00:40:33,429 --> 00:40:34,399
That's a good idea.

949
00:40:34,399 --> 00:40:39,419
Now y- y- with all of the things that
are going on at, at this four-day

950
00:40:39,499 --> 00:40:43,719
takeover, what would you say your,
your absolute favorite is, your,

951
00:40:43,729 --> 00:40:45,459
your crown jewel, so to speak?

952
00:40:46,389 --> 00:40:47,509
For me personally?

953
00:40:47,579 --> 00:40:48,019
Yeah.

954
00:40:48,979 --> 00:40:50,029
Oh, God, that's so hard.

955
00:40:50,029 --> 00:40:50,809
I mean, I, I…

956
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:54,719
Emotionally I would say
the sexual freedom parade.

957
00:40:54,729 --> 00:40:58,699
Even though I've done it so
many times, it's… It, it

958
00:40:58,699 --> 00:40:59,799
just really is something to me.

959
00:40:59,799 --> 00:41:04,649
I, I always start off on a float,
and Tess and I start off on a float.

960
00:41:04,799 --> 00:41:05,089
Uh-huh.

961
00:41:05,139 --> 00:41:08,189
And then not too far into
it, I jump off the float.

962
00:41:08,489 --> 00:41:12,439
And I, I, I run up ahead, and then
I let the whole parade go by me,

963
00:41:12,749 --> 00:41:14,689
and I just, I just take it in.

964
00:41:14,729 --> 00:41:19,169
I just watch everyone's faces, and
people know me, so they're high-fiving

965
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:20,699
me and, you know, different things.

966
00:41:20,999 --> 00:41:21,139
Yeah.

967
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:24,429
So that's, I think, one of
the more emotional things.

968
00:41:24,529 --> 00:41:26,459
I love walking on the play rooms.

969
00:41:26,499 --> 00:41:31,229
I do it every night, and I, I put
on my… I dress down to a robe or

970
00:41:31,229 --> 00:41:35,279
something- Uh-huh … and I s- and I,
and I just walk the floor, and I just…

971
00:41:36,059 --> 00:41:39,849
Listening to everybody on that floor, wow.

972
00:41:39,879 --> 00:41:44,299
I, I had the owner of Trapeze,
which is one of the nicest, biggest

973
00:41:44,299 --> 00:41:49,509
clubs in the country, he has one
in Fort Lauderdale, one in Atlanta.

974
00:41:49,759 --> 00:41:49,999
Mm-hmm.

975
00:41:50,049 --> 00:41:52,019
I remember one day, he,
he was on the floor.

976
00:41:52,019 --> 00:41:58,829
I ran into him and he said, "Wow,
Bob, I have never seen so many people

977
00:41:58,839 --> 00:42:01,429
having sex at one time in my life."

978
00:42:02,359 --> 00:42:05,799
And this is, this is somebody I
look up to, the owner of Trapeze.

979
00:42:05,939 --> 00:42:08,589
I was like, "Wow, that's a-"
That's, that's pretty good.

980
00:42:08,589 --> 00:42:09,179
I like that.

981
00:42:09,489 --> 00:42:10,419
I like that.

982
00:42:10,919 --> 00:42:15,729
But, you know, I, I also like, last year
I got really caught up in the after party.

983
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:20,909
Um, uh, you know, 3:30 in the morning,
dancing my butt off, sweating.

984
00:42:20,969 --> 00:42:21,789
Oh, sweating.

985
00:42:22,099 --> 00:42:24,919
We, we did it in a place that didn't
have really good AC, and we moved it- Oh

986
00:42:24,929 --> 00:42:26,319
this year to a place that does.

987
00:42:26,769 --> 00:42:32,759
I was literally drenched in sweat, just
dancing my butt off, almost forgetting

988
00:42:32,759 --> 00:42:39,149
where I was, and just being in the
moment and just dancing with a bunch

989
00:42:39,149 --> 00:42:41,369
of friends and having a good time.

990
00:42:41,569 --> 00:42:46,269
One of my favorite DJs was playing,
and I was just lost in the moment,

991
00:42:46,279 --> 00:42:48,549
having just the time of my life.

992
00:42:49,149 --> 00:42:52,549
And we left there at 4:00 in the
morning to go back to my room, and

993
00:42:52,549 --> 00:42:57,519
I realized, "Oh my God, I need to
take a shower." And it was really

994
00:42:57,519 --> 00:42:59,929
interesting because- I'm always on.

995
00:43:00,249 --> 00:43:04,429
I'm always aware of the
lighting, the sound.

996
00:43:05,089 --> 00:43:06,499
Is there trash somewhere?

997
00:43:06,509 --> 00:43:08,029
Does something need to be fixed?

998
00:43:08,439 --> 00:43:10,379
Is somebody talking on my radio?

999
00:43:10,419 --> 00:43:13,469
I'm always thinking about the event.

1000
00:43:13,819 --> 00:43:14,949
Hosting, yeah.

1001
00:43:15,459 --> 00:43:16,929
Always thinking about hosting.

1002
00:43:17,069 --> 00:43:17,179
Mm-hmm.

1003
00:43:17,179 --> 00:43:18,999
And I can't turn it off.

1004
00:43:19,219 --> 00:43:19,579
Mm-hmm.

1005
00:43:19,759 --> 00:43:26,239
But sometimes I'll be at my own
event, and I'll just be Bob, and

1006
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,239
those are the moments I guess I
like the best, is just- Yeah … the

1007
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,999
emotional feeling walking down Bourbon
Street or being in the playroom.

1008
00:43:36,509 --> 00:43:39,229
I usually try to sneak
off and play a few times

1009
00:43:39,769 --> 00:43:40,209
during the week.

1010
00:43:40,209 --> 00:43:41,319
I was wondering about
that because, you know-

1011
00:43:41,489 --> 00:43:41,749
Yeah

1012
00:43:41,749 --> 00:43:46,469

if you, if you're out and you're, I mean,
you're, you're the CEO of Naughty Events.

1013
00:43:46,469 --> 00:43:47,229
You're Bob.

1014
00:43:47,229 --> 00:43:48,319
Like, you're, you're the guy.

1015
00:43:48,329 --> 00:43:50,009
You're Bob, and-

1016
00:43:50,029 --> 00:43:52,849
I usually try to go to one of the
semi-private rooms where I can

1017
00:43:52,849 --> 00:43:54,899
kinda, like, not be seen as much.

1018
00:43:54,979 --> 00:43:55,349
Yeah.

1019
00:43:55,399 --> 00:44:00,249
Because the worst thing is to be in a bed
with somebody you love, having a great

1020
00:44:00,249 --> 00:44:04,919
time, and then somebody saying, "Psst,
hey, Bob. There's a problem over here you

1021
00:44:04,929 --> 00:44:07,279
may wanna look at." Like, come on, man.

1022
00:44:07,629 --> 00:44:09,739
But, but no- I'll be like- … being
able to be myself … I'll

1023
00:44:09,739 --> 00:44:12,519
be like, "Bob, can, can we
record you a- after you're done?"

1024
00:44:12,779 --> 00:44:13,959
"We, we out, out here."

1025
00:44:14,459 --> 00:44:16,089
Setting up an appointment, yeah.

1026
00:44:16,099 --> 00:44:16,209
That's

1027
00:44:16,209 --> 00:44:16,299
right.

1028
00:44:16,699 --> 00:44:19,659
Or, "Hey, I happen to DJ.
Can I give you my card?"

1029
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:21,679
Oh my goodness.

1030
00:44:21,689 --> 00:44:21,709
Y-

1031
00:44:22,609 --> 00:44:23,919
yeah, but no.

1032
00:44:23,919 --> 00:44:29,049
I, I guess having a moment to be
myself is- Mm-hmm … is my favorite

1033
00:44:29,049 --> 00:44:32,319
moment, so it doesn't matter where
or when, but it, it always happens.

1034
00:44:32,349 --> 00:44:35,389
I, I… Man, I gotta tell you,
I have a great time at Naughty.

1035
00:44:35,459 --> 00:44:41,209
I… My goal has always been
to have an event that I would

1036
00:44:41,209 --> 00:44:43,589
wanna go to, and- That's awesome.

1037
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:47,459
Yeah … so, so far, I… it's,
it's worked out pretty good.

1038
00:44:47,779 --> 00:44:50,359
Are you, are you planning
on opening any more?

1039
00:44:50,369 --> 00:44:54,489
Are y- are we gonna see, I
don't know, a, a Naughty Austin?

1040
00:44:54,529 --> 00:44:55,399
Yeah, yeah.

1041
00:44:55,399 --> 00:44:57,199
Like, what's the future of Naughty Events?

1042
00:44:57,229 --> 00:44:57,559
Yeah.

1043
00:44:57,569 --> 00:44:59,939
'Cause we know that you put
on other events as well.

1044
00:45:00,589 --> 00:45:03,669
Well, like I said, we've done…
I've done nine events in Key

1045
00:45:03,669 --> 00:45:06,409
West, nine… 11 in Las Vegas.

1046
00:45:06,449 --> 00:45:07,689
I, I've done them all over.

1047
00:45:08,109 --> 00:45:14,099
I'm kind of… Me personally, I'm kind of
happy just doing an event in New Orleans.

1048
00:45:14,099 --> 00:45:17,259
We, we added- Yeah … a
Halloween event this year, and,

1049
00:45:17,339 --> 00:45:19,169
I- Tess and I love Halloween.

1050
00:45:19,169 --> 00:45:22,699
We used to own a castle, and we used
to turn it into a haunted house.

1051
00:45:23,099 --> 00:45:23,499
And-

1052
00:45:23,509 --> 00:45:24,109
Ooh

1053
00:45:24,419 --> 00:45:26,669

I just love Halloween.

1054
00:45:26,709 --> 00:45:30,469
And New Orleans is just an
amazing place for Halloween.

1055
00:45:30,869 --> 00:45:31,219
Okay.

1056
00:45:31,269 --> 00:45:32,819
They do, they do parades.

1057
00:45:33,189 --> 00:45:36,069
They do, like, a Mardi Gras parade,
but it's a Halloween parade,

1058
00:45:36,379 --> 00:45:37,729
and they do a lot of cool stuff.

1059
00:45:37,769 --> 00:45:44,409
I've been to 13th Street and looked at
some hotels, and I've been to Nashville

1060
00:45:44,419 --> 00:45:45,939
and looked up and down Broadway.

1061
00:45:46,449 --> 00:45:48,769
I've looked at lots of different venues.

1062
00:45:48,819 --> 00:45:50,419
We did cruises for a while.

1063
00:45:50,959 --> 00:45:52,659
I'm kinda happy where I am right now.

1064
00:45:52,689 --> 00:45:54,649
I'm in a kind of a happy place.

1065
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:54,749
That's good.

1066
00:45:54,799 --> 00:46:00,899
And I see a lot of my, friends
and people who do this who are

1067
00:46:00,899 --> 00:46:05,579
working way harder than me, and
I don't wanna work any harder.

1068
00:46:05,579 --> 00:46:08,079
I, I, I work every week.

1069
00:46:08,249 --> 00:46:09,699
I, I don't take a week off.

1070
00:46:09,709 --> 00:46:09,729
Yeah.

1071
00:46:09,809 --> 00:46:15,439
And I have a great team that w- a
full-time team, and, we were working

1072
00:46:15,439 --> 00:46:20,369
right up until this podcast, and when
I'm done, I gotta create some, graphics

1073
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:22,509
for some signs and for the app, app.

1074
00:46:22,959 --> 00:46:28,369
But I love what I do, and
New Orleans really is what

1075
00:46:28,369 --> 00:46:29,459
Naughty Events is all about.

1076
00:46:29,749 --> 00:46:30,499
That's awesome.

1077
00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:34,889
So I think, I think we're gonna stick
to that for at least a little bit.

1078
00:46:35,259 --> 00:46:36,279
That's all right, 'cause-

1079
00:46:36,279 --> 00:46:36,869
Well- … we'll

1080
00:46:36,869 --> 00:46:37,069
be there … we are,

1081
00:46:37,069 --> 00:46:37,829
we are excited to-

1082
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:38,679
Now, we know- … to

1083
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:39,109
go, for sure

1084
00:46:39,129 --> 00:46:40,169

I, I'm very excited.

1085
00:46:40,179 --> 00:46:40,199
Yeah.

1086
00:46:40,209 --> 00:46:44,239
Now, we know it's sold out, so what
should people be planning for next year?

1087
00:46:44,249 --> 00:46:47,319
Are they… Do y'all start
selling as soon as this is over?

1088
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:49,849
Yeah, we start, I think, Wednesday.

1089
00:46:49,859 --> 00:46:54,359
The, the night it opens also opens the
registration for the following year.

1090
00:46:54,369 --> 00:46:54,429
Perfect.

1091
00:46:54,429 --> 00:46:59,999
Last year, we had 160-plus
reservations before Sunday.

1092
00:47:00,579 --> 00:47:02,449
We'll have probably more
than that this year.

1093
00:47:03,009 --> 00:47:09,189
We also do, probably the biggest discount
of the year just during that week, and,

1094
00:47:09,189 --> 00:47:13,159
that's one of the reasons a lot of the
loyal people all sign up that week.

1095
00:47:13,169 --> 00:47:13,279
Uh-huh.

1096
00:47:13,299 --> 00:47:15,119
'Cause they know they're coming
the next year, and they want

1097
00:47:15,129 --> 00:47:16,929
to get the biggest savings.

1098
00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:22,249
But yeah, I, every year we sell out a
little bit earlier, and, we're negotiating

1099
00:47:22,249 --> 00:47:24,969
with some bigger hotels at this point.

1100
00:47:25,329 --> 00:47:25,399
Okay.

1101
00:47:25,479 --> 00:47:28,869
So we'll see what happens in
the future, but for now, we only

1102
00:47:28,869 --> 00:47:30,369
have so many tickets we can sell.

1103
00:47:30,669 --> 00:47:30,909
And-

1104
00:47:30,909 --> 00:47:31,329
Yeah.

1105
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:31,879
That's a

1106
00:47:32,009 --> 00:47:34,549
lot of people … we, we, we
sold out pretty early this year.

1107
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:39,969
In February, we had no more, so
we'll see how it goes next year.

1108
00:47:40,456 --> 00:47:42,756
Well, this was an awesome
conversation, Bob.

1109
00:47:42,756 --> 00:47:44,776
This has been an absolute blast.

1110
00:47:44,786 --> 00:47:47,676
Thank you so much for pulling
back the curtain on everything

1111
00:47:47,676 --> 00:47:49,026
that goes into Naughty N'Awlins.

1112
00:47:49,556 --> 00:47:53,516
If our listeners aren't
already sold, I genuinely don't

1113
00:47:53,536 --> 00:47:54,836
know what to tell you guys.

1114
00:47:55,236 --> 00:47:57,146
Seriously, it's incredible
what you've built.

1115
00:47:57,646 --> 00:47:58,026
All right.

1116
00:47:58,036 --> 00:48:02,856
Now, before we let you go, we just
want everybody to know where you can

1117
00:48:02,866 --> 00:48:05,906
find, the Naughty N'Awlins information.

1118
00:48:05,916 --> 00:48:08,556
It's the wait list, and for
everybody out there, you can find

1119
00:48:08,556 --> 00:48:11,006
this information on our show notes.

1120
00:48:11,046 --> 00:48:13,056
It's naughtyevents.com.

1121
00:48:13,386 --> 00:48:16,426
We will have it posted all you gotta
do is just click the little link.

1122
00:48:16,926 --> 00:48:22,206
Now, Naughty N'Awlins 2026, July 8th
through the 12th in New Orleans, already

1123
00:48:22,206 --> 00:48:25,056
sold out, which honestly tells you
everything that you need to know about

1124
00:48:25,056 --> 00:48:27,096
the kind of event that Bob has built.

1125
00:48:27,746 --> 00:48:31,587
Two host hotels, 3,000 plus
of your new best friends.

1126
00:48:31,657 --> 00:48:32,437
Mm-hmm.

1127
00:48:32,707 --> 00:48:35,457
30-plus private parties, foam.

1128
00:48:35,667 --> 00:48:36,457
A foam.

1129
00:48:36,527 --> 00:48:37,617
A foam party.

1130
00:48:37,647 --> 00:48:37,677
Foam

1131
00:48:37,677 --> 00:48:38,147
party.

1132
00:48:38,247 --> 00:48:38,557
Yeah.

1133
00:48:38,557 --> 00:48:43,457
A massive 10,000 square foot
dungeon, themed nights, and Bob's

1134
00:48:43,457 --> 00:48:46,797
legendary blue hair, which is
somewhere in the middle of it all.

1135
00:48:47,577 --> 00:48:51,967
So if you missed it this year, get on that
wait list and start planning for 2027.

1136
00:48:52,327 --> 00:48:53,977
Go to naughtyevents.com.

1137
00:48:54,207 --> 00:48:58,877
And Pris and I will be there, so if you
do get in or if you get a day pass, come

1138
00:48:58,877 --> 00:49:01,277
find us at the Beyond Monogamy booth.

1139
00:49:01,417 --> 00:49:01,877
That's right.

1140
00:49:01,877 --> 00:49:04,767
They said they might have some day
passes, so keep your eyes out, guys.

1141
00:49:05,167 --> 00:49:06,617
And yes, please come say hi to us.

1142
00:49:06,637 --> 00:49:07,127
Yeah.

1143
00:49:07,127 --> 00:49:11,177
And you know, if you guys are
already going and you are fans

1144
00:49:11,177 --> 00:49:12,827
of the show, please come by.

1145
00:49:13,037 --> 00:49:15,017
We love talking to our listeners.

1146
00:49:15,037 --> 00:49:17,112
You guys are very, very important to us.

1147
00:49:17,112 --> 00:49:17,357
Mm-hmm.

1148
00:49:17,857 --> 00:49:20,927
If you wanna connect with us before
then, everything we do lives at

1149
00:49:20,937 --> 00:49:26,847
beyond-monogamy.com, new episodes every
week, show notes, all of it, even a blog.

1150
00:49:27,017 --> 00:49:27,857
Go check it out.

1151
00:49:28,617 --> 00:49:32,587
We also wanna shout out to our
friends at fullswapradio.com,

1152
00:49:32,607 --> 00:49:36,327
live lifestyle talk every Thursday
at 2:00 PM and 7:00 PM Central.

1153
00:49:36,697 --> 00:49:39,897
Find them at fullswapradio.com.

1154
00:49:40,427 --> 00:49:43,457
And if you are near San Antonio,
Beyond Monogamy will be live

1155
00:49:43,457 --> 00:49:45,417
at Club Eden on June 20th.

1156
00:49:45,867 --> 00:49:47,807
Come hang out with us in person.

1157
00:49:47,807 --> 00:49:52,147
All the details are at
beyond-monogamy.com.

1158
00:49:52,687 --> 00:49:54,177
Oh, I like that dramatic.

1159
00:49:54,207 --> 00:49:54,737
You like it?

1160
00:49:54,807 --> 00:49:55,707
Yeah, that was good.

1161
00:49:56,047 --> 00:50:00,037
And for those of you already looking
ahead, Crazy Winter Nights in Kansas City,

1162
00:50:00,047 --> 00:50:03,087
February 19th through the 21st, 2027.

1163
00:50:03,347 --> 00:50:08,197
Just go over to fullswapradio.com,
look it up, and use our code BEOMONO

1164
00:50:08,197 --> 00:50:11,887
at crazycasba.com for your tickets.

1165
00:50:12,377 --> 00:50:15,897
And with that, we thank you all
for joining us for another episode,

1166
00:50:15,917 --> 00:50:18,257
and we will see you guys next week.

1167
00:50:18,337 --> 00:50:18,357
Bye.

Bob Hannaford Profile Photo

CEO / Founder

Bob Hannaford is the co-founder of the legendary lifestyle event, Naughty N'awlins, one of the most recognized and longest-running gatherings in the swinging and consensual non-monogamy community. For decades, Bob has helped create spaces where open-minded adults can connect, learn, celebrate, and build lasting friendships in a welcoming and judgment-free environment.

What began as an ambitious idea in New Orleans grew into an iconic event that has influenced the lifestyle community across North America. Through his leadership, vision, and commitment to fostering authentic connections, Bob has played a significant role in shaping modern lifestyle culture and creating experiences that thousands of attendees look forward to each year.

On this episode, Bob joins Adam and Pris to share the story behind Naughty N'awlins, discuss the evolution of the lifestyle over the years, and offer a behind-the-scenes look at what it takes to build one of the community's most beloved events.