Swinger Safety 101: Emergency Contacts, Vetting & What Ifs

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All right, y'all.

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Before we dive in, a quick heads-up This
show is raw, real, and definitely not

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rated PG We're talking about adult themes,
sexual content, and the kinda stuff you

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probably don't want blasting through
your speakers at work or around your

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kids So grab some headphones, pour your
drink of choice, and get comfy Oh, and

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just so we're clear, we are not licensed
therapists, counselors, or sex couches.

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Sex coaches.

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Sex coaches Not sex couches We're
just a couple of people sharing

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our lives, experiences, and sexy
adventures in ethical non-monogamy.

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So with that, pull up a chair and
enjoy the show Hello and welcome to

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another episode of Beyond Monogamy.

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I'm Adam.

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And I'm Pris.

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And on today's quickie, we are
talking about the paperwork

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nobody in ENM wants to do.

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Yeah.

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If one of us ended up in the hospital
tomorrow, or worse,, who finds out what?

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It's uncomfortable, but trust
us, you need this conversation.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's a, that's a tough one.

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You know, I was thinking about
this because you just never know.

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There's a lot of scenarios, and these
are things that people don't talk

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about when it comes to the lifestyle.

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Mm-mm.

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There's a lot of scenarios that happen.

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Now, we are, we're one of those
that we enjoy the hot wife thing.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know, the hot wife kink.

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And the idea of you playing solo,
we play solo- Mm-hmm … sometimes.

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The idea of you playing solo is, is hot.

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Now, the, the only time that you
really play solo is when you, uh,

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play with somebody who we know and
we have comfort and trust with.

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Yes.

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Right?

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Yes.

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Uh, it's very, very rare that
you've ever played solo with

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somebody that we did not know- Yes

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initially.

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That's, that spontaneous in the moment hot
sex is, is very, it's a very hot thought,

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and that thought had always crossed
our minds even when we first started in

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the lifestyle and a lot of how to find
people was on websites and Craigslist.

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Yeah.

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Craigslist, guys.

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Yes.

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I mean, how many of us found
playmates on Craigslist?

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Talk about scary, okay?

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Yeah.

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Um, and I remember there were
often times that I, I looked

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to, uh, Craigslist to find us
somebody to- Oh, my- … play with.

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You say, "Oh my God," but that was one
of the ways to- I, I mean- … to do it

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back then … now I know, but now I think
about it, I'm like, "Oh, my God." But

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now looking back on it, I could have been
a serial killer or something, you know?

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You never know.

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And that was always something
that was very iffy for me

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when we first started out.

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Right.

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And we would have people come
over who we didn't really know.

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We would see them, uh, you know, we'd
find a guy on, on one of the websites

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or something like that, and we'd
be like- Yeah, like on one of like-

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"Okay, we've had a couple
messages- … AFF or, yeah … but

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we haven't actually- Yeah, yeah,
yeah … seen this person in person.

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Yeah.

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And now I'm gonna give them my address-
Yeah … so they could come over.

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You know?

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And I, I, I- I, we would have our fun.

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We would do our thing, and
successfully they would leave.

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There was never, ever any problems.

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No.

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But the thought would always cross my
mind, is that we're letting these people

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into our home who we've never met.

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We don't know who they are.

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They're coming in to
have sex with my wife.

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Uh-huh.

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And what if they wanna steal things?

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It, I mean, am, am I the only
one that has those thoughts?

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Yes.

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Like, what if they wanna steal things?

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I mean, I always- What if
they get sticky fingers?

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What if they decide that, you know what?

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Uh, you know, I'm gonna… The one
scenario that always would throw me off.

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Mm-hmm.

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I have this scenario in my head.

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It's the worst case scenario, is
that we invite a guy over who we've

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never really talked to, never really
met, but he's, it's spontaneous.

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He comes over, and I'm
watching you and him.

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Mm-hmm.

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And he decides he's going to get
rough with you, and he's going to

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be this heavy duty alpha male and
I'm, and he's gonna dominate you.

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Mm. And you're trying to fight
back, but he's not letting it.

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He's overpowering you.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then I'm like, I, I'm, my dick is out.

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Like, what am I… Like, I'm
gonna have to put on my clothes

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and then take this guy out.

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Like, what… You know, I'd have
stuff like that going on in my head.

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Oh.

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I'm like- No … this
could really take a turn.

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You know, luckily, that never happened.

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Um- Well, no.

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Every time I would have
knife underneath my pillow.

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Yeah.

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And that was the other thing too, was you,
you stashed knives all over the place.

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I do not trust anybody.

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My, my thought on this s- particular
thing is if you're playing solo

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and something happens to you
away from me, that's my thought.

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Like, you… I, I don't… I'm
very picky, so my, my, my solo

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play is a very limited solo play.

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But you've had times where you leave.

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Like, you've left- Yeah,
yeah … and it's not close by.

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Right.

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And you've had your playtime and whatever
Now that scenario is where I'm like,

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"Okay, what if something happens to you?"
Because, I mean, women be crazy, too.

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Yeah, that's true.

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That's true.

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And I always think, like, okay, does
that person know how to get ahold of me?

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Does that person know what to do?

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Right.

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And that kind of, of thought is always
something that would cross my mind.

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Like, what if you, you know, are
there and- What if I pass out or

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something … she has a partner.

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Or if she has a partner and comes in,
and it's like- Oh, dude … you know?

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I mean, there's crazy- Right?

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shit that happens.

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Now that's- And so- … in my head.

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Yeah.

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And it's like, oh, God.

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I'm never playing with anybody ever again.

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God, you know, right?

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I'm, I… Things like that is, is
what really gets in my brain, and

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it's like, okay, what, what if?

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I'm not too worried about when we would
play and somebody would try to domi- yeah,

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you, you're gonna have to take 'em out.

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Like, that's just what it is.

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I know.

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But- Not… Oh, I'm not saying I couldn't,
I couldn't do it No, but I feel like it's-

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I'm just saying- And those are s- those-
… that thought crosses, would cross my mind.

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And I, I don't have that anymore, but
primarily- Yeah … because we don't

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really do anything spontaneous- Yeah, yeah

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like that.

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We only play with people that we
really spent time with- Yeah … and

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have good feelings about.

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But… And, and that's lesson learned.

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But- Yeah … a lot of us do that
spontaneous, "I don't know this person.

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Let's bring him over." We had friends
that, that told us, uh, you know, we had

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one friend who was like, "Yeah, I, I…

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We wanted to bring a guy over, and so
we were on this website, and we were

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having this conversation with him.

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He seemed cool.

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We were all interested.

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So I gave him my address."
And the guy never showed up.

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Oh, I remember.

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And so, yeah.

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And so this dude's, like, breaking
out his guns, and he's getting

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all fortified at his, at his house
because he's like, "I don't know what

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this guy, if he's gonna show up."

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And now we know he was crazy.

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And he was crazy.

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So when, we know that the
couple- And coked out.

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So, you know, there's kinda that.

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But yeah, you, you do get in this
thought process of, ooh, what if?

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The what ifs.

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The, the what ifs are- You
know, there are, there are

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some crazy scenarios out there.

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Mm-hmm.

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I have heard, you know, media outlets
only report negative swinger stories.

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Mm-hmm.

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So any time that there's, like,
a murder-suicide or a death or

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something like that that involves
swingers, it's normally front page.

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And I remember that there was
this, uh, this was years back.

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The… Yes.

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Where the- She was, she was in
a hotel- Yes … she was in a

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hotel with her play partner.

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Yeah.

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And her boyfriend, they were,
all three of them were there,

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and he got jealous and shot- Yes

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both of them.

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Oh.

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He didn't shoot himself, but shot the,
the, his girlfriend and the play partner.

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Yeah.

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And he was in there.

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He was watching, but he didn't like it.

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And, and so th- th- that kinda thing,
you know, kinda goes through your head.

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It's like, well, a lot
of people are discreet.

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And a lot of people are discreet,
but then they also kinda do things.

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Like, if you're driving while getting road
head from somebody that you're fooling

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around with- There you go … and then
you get into a car accident Guess what?

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That's not my wife.

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That's not my wife.

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Yeah, let's have that conversation.

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You know what I mean?

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Like, who gets to know about these things?

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You know what I mean?

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It's, it's hard.

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It, it's hard to, to figure that
part out 'cause it's like, oh.

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That's the overthinking in me.

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You know what I mean?

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That's a lot of overthinking.

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I know.

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That's why I have a podcast.

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I mean, I, I'm very, I, I'm, I'm
very aware of my surroundings.

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I do not, I don't put myself into
situations with people that I don't trust.

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That's true.

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So I do not do that.

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I am not the person that is going to
meet you at a takeover or meet you

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somewhere and then be like, "Hey,
do you wanna go out?" Like, no.

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We are gonna have many,
many, many conversations.

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My husband is going to meet you.

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But I know of some… We have a
friend who loves to meet new people.

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Yeah.

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Goes out with different men, and will
meet them for dinner and then possibly

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play time one, two times, right?

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And it's gotten physical.

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Yeah.

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And when she told me this,
I was like, "What the fuck?"

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Like, "What, what did you do?

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What happened?" And she just left.

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But can you imagine had
that turned a different way?

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Yeah.

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I feel like a single woman should not
be so willing in the lifestyle, and

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I hate to say that because you wanna
have that empowerment to do as men do.

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But in this world, you
can't Unfortunately, yeah.

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You cannot- It's scary … you cannot
be like, "Well, I already met him

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twice, and okay, now we're gonna go
out and we're gonna get a hotel room."

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No.

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No.

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And for some reason, I don't know if you
remember when, when she went out with

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him the first time, I was like, "You
know, she's meeting this new guy-" Yeah,

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I remember … "and they were going to a
club." I literally had this feeling, and I

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texted her and I said, "Hey, I know you're
meeting someone new, but it, you have…

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You're on my mind" And she's
like… So I'm worried about you.

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And she's like, "What are you
worried about?" And I said, "You

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told me you met this person.

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You went out and you hadn't… Like,
does anybody know where you're at?

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Does anybody know where you're gonna
be and who this person is?" Mm-hmm.

242
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And she ended up telling me.

243
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She was like, "Oh, here. This
is where I'm at" and whatever.

244
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Nothing, nothing to it.

245
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She went out the second time with
this guy on a different day, and

246
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that's when the issue happened.

247
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And I told her, I said, "I knew." I
didn't know who the guy was, but I

248
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knew something fishy was gonna happen.

249
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Yeah.

250
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Yeah.

251
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And it's, you have to protect yourself.

252
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But who do you call?

253
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Who do you call?

254
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What happens in that kind of situation?

255
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Yeah, yeah.

256
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Like you never know, man.

257
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Like, you know, yeah, she's gonna
call 911, but does anybody know you

258
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have to protect… So does anybody
know who she, who that person was?

259
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Like, if you're gonna go out with
somebody, at least know your lo-

260
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have, give somebody your location and
give somebody your password to your

261
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emails, your password to something.

262
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Like, have somebody that's responsible
enough to at least have that information,

263
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or have it in a place where somebody
can say, "Okay, I know where she leaves

264
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this. This is where it's at." Yeah.

265
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Because God forbid, had that
guy done something worse to her-

266
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Yeah … we would've never known
who she was talking to, where she

267
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met up with him, and how they met.

268
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These are the things that
Dateline Thursdays are made of.

269
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That's right.

270
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You know what I'm saying?

271
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Mm-hmm.

272
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Like, you don't wanna be
a Netflix documentary.

273
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No.

274
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Download an app where you can
share your location with people.

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Take a picture of the profile of
the person that you're talking

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to and you're gonna meet up
with, and send it to a friend.

277
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Vet. Vet your pe- Vet. It is okay.

278
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I ask everybody.

279
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Mm-hmm.

280
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And I know that some, when I
first told you, you were like,

281
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"Really? And they do that?" Yes.

282
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You wanna know who
you're really talking to?

283
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Get a copy of their driver's license.

284
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If they have an issue giving it
to you- Then don't go out with

285
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them I mean, that's a little- No

286
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I mean, that's a lot.

287
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Give them a picture of
your driver's license.

288
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Your dr- oh.

289
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They're, they're just talking to
you for the first time as well.

290
00:11:47,533 --> 00:11:49,738
Yeah, but- So it's like, what
do you wanna, you wanna get my

291
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social while you're at it, too?

292
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Like- I mean- I, that's pre- that's
sensitive information right there

293
00:11:54,006 --> 00:11:55,425
… okay, don't get your driver's license.

294
00:11:55,453 --> 00:11:57,760
But, like, do a- Cover the
number … do a video or something.

295
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A video Like, you know?

296
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Something.

297
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But there's ways- There's ways to
verify … there's ways to verify, because

298
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these apps- But I wouldn't share, like,
personal documents like that … these

299
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apps- They don't vet or a lot of them
don't have a good vetting process.

300
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Mm-hmm.

301
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That's something that's easy to get past.

302
00:12:12,698 --> 00:12:14,415
Mm-hmm And that is, that is problematic.

303
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Uh, it's hard to know who exactly you're
talking to- Mm-hmm … oftentimes.

304
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But the thing about it is now, where
we're at now as, as technology has

305
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advanced, everybody has a smartphone.

306
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Everybody has a way to do some
sort of- Digital footprint

307
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video, video chat- Yeah … of some sort.

308
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Yeah.

309
00:12:32,665 --> 00:12:36,421
Uh, there's a way to, you know, you
can, you can do a quick little video

310
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holding up a sign with a date and
saying, "Hi, Pris," or whatever.

311
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You know?

312
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Like, prove you are who you are.

313
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Mm-hmm.

314
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It's that easy.

315
00:12:44,351 --> 00:12:47,511
Now, I did feel uncomfortable
doing that, uh, back in the

316
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day, um, and I don't know why.

317
00:12:50,595 --> 00:12:54,384
I guess because the whole thing was
still new to me and- Mm-hmm … I

318
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was afraid that I was gonna send
some sort of verification and people

319
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were gonna see it, and they were
gonna go, "Oh my God, he's gross. No,

320
00:13:01,246 --> 00:13:02,211
you're not gonna be here." You know?

321
00:13:02,212 --> 00:13:03,697
It was weird, insecure shit.

322
00:13:03,801 --> 00:13:09,143
I didn't realize what vetting was actually
playing a part for on, on our behalf

323
00:13:09,173 --> 00:13:12,458
and on everybody else's behalf, and it
was just to keep the community safe.

324
00:13:12,653 --> 00:13:13,010
Yeah.

325
00:13:13,011 --> 00:13:16,151
It was to show that we
were who we said we were.

326
00:13:16,157 --> 00:13:16,261
Mm-hmm.

327
00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:19,440
Now, there are some apps that,
uh, do good verification.

328
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3Fun, uh, has verification.

329
00:13:21,469 --> 00:13:21,486
Mm-hmm.

330
00:13:21,486 --> 00:13:26,735
Now, they do have verified profiles, but
then they also have non-verified profiles.

331
00:13:26,735 --> 00:13:26,745
Yes.

332
00:13:26,785 --> 00:13:30,431
You can easily just go for the
verified profiles, and boom- Mm-hmm

333
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problem solved.

334
00:13:30,886 --> 00:13:31,534
You know what I'm saying?

335
00:13:31,606 --> 00:13:34,856
But, and, and there are people on there
who only speak to people who are verified.

336
00:13:34,887 --> 00:13:35,245
Yeah.

337
00:13:35,418 --> 00:13:38,587
And it's, uh, like SDC, sdc.com.

338
00:13:38,651 --> 00:13:43,383
They have a system where other
people can vouch for you.

339
00:13:43,384 --> 00:13:43,589
Yes.

340
00:13:43,589 --> 00:13:46,636
And they can verify and, and, and
put nice little- Mm-hmm … almost

341
00:13:46,637 --> 00:13:48,050
like a Yelp review- Yeah

342
00:13:48,057 --> 00:13:48,721
for swingers.

343
00:13:48,762 --> 00:13:49,478
Like Foursquare?

344
00:13:49,523 --> 00:13:50,647
Yeah, that's right.

345
00:13:50,650 --> 00:13:53,322
Is it Foursquare that used
to, used to do that as well?

346
00:13:53,625 --> 00:13:55,899
Used to know, like, where the
restaurants were and stuff like

347
00:13:55,899 --> 00:13:57,052
that . Yeah, I was the mayor.

348
00:13:57,351 --> 00:13:58,064
Are you kidding me?

349
00:13:58,092 --> 00:13:58,894
I was the mayor.

350
00:13:59,402 --> 00:14:00,963
That's how, that's how sad I was.

351
00:14:00,975 --> 00:14:04,854
I mean, it, it's a very, you
don't wanna think about that.

352
00:14:04,854 --> 00:14:08,301
You just think, you know, the
lifestyle is all fun and, and

353
00:14:08,301 --> 00:14:10,952
rainbows and sex and parties.

354
00:14:11,367 --> 00:14:17,710
But there are- Creepy people everywhere
There are creepy, scary people everywhere.

355
00:14:17,730 --> 00:14:21,347
And- And, uh, we have, we have
run into them before Yeah.

356
00:14:21,482 --> 00:14:26,532
And protect yourself because if you're
on your way to a play date and, you know,

357
00:14:27,112 --> 00:14:31,724
your husband or your wife is not with
you or your partner is not with you, you

358
00:14:31,726 --> 00:14:35,221
need to let everybody know where you're
going at all times and what you're doing.

359
00:14:35,253 --> 00:14:40,028
And I mean, not to get, like, weird
and technical and shit, but, like,

360
00:14:40,442 --> 00:14:47,249
make sure that the person that you're
gonna go see knows, like, who to

361
00:14:47,252 --> 00:14:49,390
contact if something happens to you.

362
00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,685
Yeah, 'cause we've talked
about that in, in a past show.

363
00:14:53,694 --> 00:15:00,806
Played with somebody who ended up having
some physical ailments come about.

364
00:15:00,931 --> 00:15:01,089
Yes.

365
00:15:01,096 --> 00:15:03,567
After you guys were done,
he was very, very tired.

366
00:15:03,877 --> 00:15:04,018
Yeah.

367
00:15:04,018 --> 00:15:06,989
And y'all actually had to stop because
he was looking kind of exhausted.

368
00:15:07,005 --> 00:15:10,023
And then he ended up passing out- Mm-hmm
… a couple times, and they had to call an

369
00:15:10,033 --> 00:15:11,575
ambulance- Mm-hmm … to take him away.

370
00:15:12,637 --> 00:15:18,097
That was the first time that we ever,
ever thought about that scenario- Yeah

371
00:15:18,103 --> 00:15:22,365
ever- Yeah … in the 14, 15
years that we've been doing this.

372
00:15:23,043 --> 00:15:28,024
And it made it very real on a
different level in that one thing

373
00:15:28,035 --> 00:15:33,961
was, I mean, he and his wife are
discreet, and their kids were at home.

374
00:15:34,519 --> 00:15:34,824
Yeah.

375
00:15:34,836 --> 00:15:36,850
And he was at the hospital
till- Uh-huh … early morning.

376
00:15:38,148 --> 00:15:38,827
What do you say?

377
00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:39,789
What do you say?

378
00:15:39,790 --> 00:15:40,910
What do you say to that?

379
00:15:41,183 --> 00:15:41,949
I mean, luckily- You know what I mean?

380
00:15:41,981 --> 00:15:44,456
… they were together, and
they were at a club.

381
00:15:44,751 --> 00:15:45,086
Yeah.

382
00:15:45,687 --> 00:15:48,065
But what do you, what do you say?

383
00:15:48,091 --> 00:15:48,437
Yeah.

384
00:15:48,554 --> 00:15:51,154
Like, I mean, you're gonna
have to make up something.

385
00:15:51,166 --> 00:15:53,052
You know, what if it
was even more serious?

386
00:15:53,052 --> 00:15:57,538
What if… You know, it's like that's
the hard part about being discreet

387
00:15:57,609 --> 00:16:00,311
when it comes to that sort of thing,
is that, you know, when something

388
00:16:00,312 --> 00:16:04,202
like that comes up, it's like,
God, uh, how do, how do you explain

389
00:16:04,202 --> 00:16:05,644
your way out of this one, you know?

390
00:16:06,033 --> 00:16:07,270
I can only imagine.

391
00:16:07,428 --> 00:16:08,531
I can only imagine.

392
00:16:08,618 --> 00:16:09,674
That's gotta be hard.

393
00:16:10,083 --> 00:16:12,595
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394
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395
00:16:13,821 --> 00:16:15,096
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396
00:16:15,124 --> 00:16:16,426
They've been around since the '70s.

397
00:16:16,871 --> 00:16:20,206
Which in sex toy years is
basically ancient royalty.

398
00:16:20,494 --> 00:16:21,628
They've earned it, though.

399
00:16:21,779 --> 00:16:26,615
Locations in New York, Chicago, LA, but
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400
00:16:26,615 --> 00:16:28,726
to live in a big city to shop there.

401
00:16:29,022 --> 00:16:30,836
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402
00:16:31,209 --> 00:16:34,863
Lingerie, kink gear, lube, wellness stuff.

403
00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,185
Basically anything you'd want in the
toy chest, they've got a version of it.

404
00:16:39,409 --> 00:16:39,903
That's right.

405
00:16:40,199 --> 00:16:43,276
What we actually like about them
is the education first approach.

406
00:16:43,322 --> 00:16:46,588
It doesn't feel like walking into
a store and getting side-eyed.

407
00:16:46,987 --> 00:16:51,076
Yeah, it feels like walking in and
getting genuinely good advice from someone

408
00:16:51,077 --> 00:16:52,847
who knows what they're talking about.

409
00:16:53,114 --> 00:16:55,660
Which matters a lot when
you're trying something new.

410
00:16:55,665 --> 00:16:55,679
Yeah.

411
00:16:55,752 --> 00:16:58,720
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first toy or your 15th.

412
00:16:59,005 --> 00:16:59,603
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413
00:16:59,877 --> 00:17:04,818
Body safe materials across the board, too,
so you're not just gambling on quality.

414
00:17:05,330 --> 00:17:05,950
Basically.

415
00:17:06,037 --> 00:17:11,026
If you're curious about something, this
is really solid place to start exploring.

416
00:17:11,295 --> 00:17:11,505
Yeah.

417
00:17:11,522 --> 00:17:14,898
Links in the show notes, so go
poke around, no pun intended.

418
00:17:15,118 --> 00:17:16,778
Thepleasurechest.com.

419
00:17:17,061 --> 00:17:19,303
Go build your own little
chest of pleasures.

420
00:17:19,793 --> 00:17:20,768
We're keeping that line.

421
00:17:20,942 --> 00:17:21,611
Obviously.

422
00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:24,390
Now, and that's talking
from a sexual perspective.

423
00:17:24,390 --> 00:17:28,530
Now, I do wanna reflect to those
who are, who are polyamorous and

424
00:17:28,531 --> 00:17:32,749
are involved with others, and I'm
talking people who are not, uh, with

425
00:17:32,749 --> 00:17:36,358
an established hierarchy but more
kitchen table poly, that sort of thing.

426
00:17:36,378 --> 00:17:36,419
Yeah.

427
00:17:37,409 --> 00:17:44,304
When it comes to who, who does what
for whom, who has access to what, you

428
00:17:44,306 --> 00:17:49,852
know, in situations like that- How,
you know, say, say you were … And I

429
00:17:49,854 --> 00:17:53,374
don't want, I'm not gonna say, "Say we
were," because anytime I say, "Say we

430
00:17:53,375 --> 00:17:55,288
were," you're like, "Ugh." Whatever.

431
00:17:55,288 --> 00:17:55,308
Just go.

432
00:17:55,308 --> 00:17:55,567
Oh, God.

433
00:17:55,567 --> 00:17:55,577
Whatever.

434
00:17:55,577 --> 00:17:58,523
Just finish your conver- But
say, say you were seriously in

435
00:17:58,539 --> 00:18:00,787
a, a poly relationship- Polly.

436
00:18:00,787 --> 00:18:06,492
with two people, and you guys really
try to be a, an equal throuple.

437
00:18:06,553 --> 00:18:09,797
How do you, how do you
incorporate this sort of thing?

438
00:18:09,805 --> 00:18:12,434
Like, who do you list as
your emergency contact?

439
00:18:12,839 --> 00:18:17,574
Who, who is the person who gets
the call if you're out and, and

440
00:18:17,611 --> 00:18:19,214
you, you need help, you know?

441
00:18:20,497 --> 00:18:23,068
You can't list two
people every single time.

442
00:18:23,075 --> 00:18:27,814
So how does that work if, if, if you're- I
mean- … trying to stay equal, you know?

443
00:18:27,817 --> 00:18:32,348
There are, there are forms and there are
things that you can put into place for

444
00:18:32,349 --> 00:18:34,866
your medical records and stuff like that.

445
00:18:35,060 --> 00:18:41,244
A lot of medical offices will let
you put down people who can call on

446
00:18:41,245 --> 00:18:43,514
your behalf, check your statuses.

447
00:18:44,042 --> 00:18:49,916
I mean, I know there's a HIPAA, but you
can sign people onto that and let them be

448
00:18:50,391 --> 00:18:55,949
Like, I can get you and another
partner to be on my records.

449
00:18:55,964 --> 00:18:56,253
Sure.

450
00:18:56,263 --> 00:18:56,657
You know?

451
00:18:57,542 --> 00:19:02,604
I feel like you're gonna have to
designate one person if you don't

452
00:19:02,605 --> 00:19:03,888
already, if you don't have family.

453
00:19:03,888 --> 00:19:08,000
Like for instance, for you and I,
if we had another person, I w- and

454
00:19:08,001 --> 00:19:12,611
we were not married, I would have to
designate one of y'all to be the person

455
00:19:12,612 --> 00:19:15,164
who can make medical decisions- Right

456
00:19:15,164 --> 00:19:19,280
on my behalf if I didn't- Right … have
any kids or if I didn't talk to my family.

457
00:19:19,289 --> 00:19:19,693
Right.

458
00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:25,029
So you, you, there are ways that
you can get that in place if

459
00:19:25,441 --> 00:19:27,284
you feel like it's necessary.

460
00:19:27,527 --> 00:19:30,974
Now, I feel like it's always necessary.

461
00:19:31,255 --> 00:19:34,401
That conversation i- in that situation
is definitely always necessary.

462
00:19:34,401 --> 00:19:34,970
Should be had.

463
00:19:34,975 --> 00:19:35,351
Yeah.

464
00:19:35,380 --> 00:19:35,888
Right.

465
00:19:36,577 --> 00:19:39,353
You have to find … And then people
don't like to think about that.

466
00:19:39,719 --> 00:19:43,195
They don't like to think about,
you know, what ifs, uh, when it

467
00:19:43,196 --> 00:19:46,860
comes to, you know, getting sick
or having an- Yeah … emergency.

468
00:19:46,976 --> 00:19:47,325
Yeah.

469
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:53,029
But you really should put things like that
in place because, again, if you don't have

470
00:19:53,029 --> 00:19:57,695
a primary partner or if you don't have
any family or if you don't have any, yeah,

471
00:19:57,697 --> 00:20:02,827
family, your own or outside, somebody
needs to make that decision for you.

472
00:20:02,848 --> 00:20:03,229
Yeah.

473
00:20:03,247 --> 00:20:04,787
Somebody needs to be aware.

474
00:20:04,805 --> 00:20:05,843
Somebody's gotta be that person.

475
00:20:05,843 --> 00:20:06,144
Yes.

476
00:20:06,151 --> 00:20:06,619
At least one.

477
00:20:06,653 --> 00:20:07,524
That's, that's a lot.

478
00:20:07,524 --> 00:20:10,073
And- You know, it's, it's a lot of
phone numbers to memorize … and,

479
00:20:10,078 --> 00:20:13,459
you know, you, you sit there and
you talk to your partners and you're

480
00:20:13,460 --> 00:20:20,473
like, "Look-" I have episodes of
epilepsy sometimes, or I'm diabetic

481
00:20:20,532 --> 00:20:22,688
and sometimes I, you know, insulin.

482
00:20:23,112 --> 00:20:25,859
You have to have those things
in play Gotta talk about it

483
00:20:25,859 --> 00:20:27,245
You, I mean, it doesn't matter.

484
00:20:27,246 --> 00:20:32,449
Like, you should have these things written
down, talk to your partners and explain

485
00:20:32,449 --> 00:20:37,459
that to them because both of y'all will
not be able to go to the emergency room

486
00:20:37,827 --> 00:20:39,676
That's true Like, it is what it is.

487
00:20:40,391 --> 00:20:44,130
But you can put everything in
play beforehand Yeah, absolutely.

488
00:20:44,141 --> 00:20:46,996
Man, you said that perfectly
Thank you That was beautiful.

489
00:20:47,054 --> 00:20:51,553
You know, going back to the, uh, the
swinging aspect of it and, and ailments

490
00:20:51,580 --> 00:20:57,148
Mm-hmm I just remembered this, but didn't
you used to fuck a guy who had asthma?

491
00:20:58,571 --> 00:20:58,993
Mm-mm.

492
00:20:59,623 --> 00:21:02,462
Not that I remember Maybe I used
to fuck somebody that had asthma.

493
00:21:02,490 --> 00:21:03,320
Oh, you know what?

494
00:21:03,773 --> 00:21:07,957
The last girlfriend that I had
when we were poly, she had asthma.

495
00:21:08,015 --> 00:21:12,822
And when we would have sex, every
now and then, like, if it was too

496
00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:17,900
fast-paced or wild, she would have to
slow down, uh, because of her breathing.

497
00:21:18,133 --> 00:21:20,385
Now, that did not come up the first time.

498
00:21:20,603 --> 00:21:24,103
That's something I found out
in, in the midst of it all.

499
00:21:24,394 --> 00:21:24,677
Yeah.

500
00:21:24,764 --> 00:21:25,822
Um- And you did not tell me.

501
00:21:25,822 --> 00:21:26,544
This is a new story.

502
00:21:26,544 --> 00:21:27,472
I completely forgot about it.

503
00:21:27,482 --> 00:21:29,031
Because I would've been like,
"Yeah, you need to end that."

504
00:21:29,061 --> 00:21:30,424
I completely forgot about it.

505
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:31,822
I completely forgot about it.

506
00:21:31,826 --> 00:21:31,891
Nah.

507
00:21:31,891 --> 00:21:35,364
You know, it, it's like, uh, she was fine,
she was fine, she was fine, and then all

508
00:21:35,366 --> 00:21:38,445
of a sudden towards the end it was like
there was kind of a wheezing going on.

509
00:21:38,553 --> 00:21:38,904
Right.

510
00:21:38,987 --> 00:21:42,370
Um, and I'd be like… And
she's like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah.

511
00:21:42,370 --> 00:21:43,966
I just need my puffer." Uh-uh.

512
00:21:44,224 --> 00:21:44,662
Yeah.

513
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:45,358
No.

514
00:21:45,394 --> 00:21:45,770
Yeah.

515
00:21:46,012 --> 00:21:48,431
I mean- I completely forgot about that,
but yeah … and that happens, right?

516
00:21:48,451 --> 00:21:51,187
Like- But that… I mean, that should
be a conversation that's had before

517
00:21:51,189 --> 00:21:53,257
you actually- Yes … do the deed.

518
00:21:53,263 --> 00:21:58,789
You know, even in… I understand
that you don't wanna ruin the hotness,

519
00:21:58,838 --> 00:22:00,259
the vibe, you know- Humans are human

520
00:22:00,259 --> 00:22:01,817
and maybe it's gonna kill the vibe.

521
00:22:01,821 --> 00:22:02,250
Yeah.

522
00:22:02,266 --> 00:22:06,323
But if there's something, if
you're not feeling the best, maybe

523
00:22:06,324 --> 00:22:08,351
you're really stoned or whatever.

524
00:22:08,351 --> 00:22:12,317
Mm. Like, if, if you're not just
feeling your absolute best, it should

525
00:22:12,328 --> 00:22:14,709
be made well known ahead of time.

526
00:22:15,381 --> 00:22:19,387
Um- For sure, and I feel like
that just goes side by side

527
00:22:19,387 --> 00:22:20,972
with just any kind of ailment.

528
00:22:21,097 --> 00:22:21,427
Yeah.

529
00:22:21,496 --> 00:22:22,099
Anything.

530
00:22:22,143 --> 00:22:26,778
If you take Viagra, you should
tell the person that you're

531
00:22:26,778 --> 00:22:29,412
with you are taking Viagra.

532
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:30,036
Yeah.

533
00:22:30,517 --> 00:22:35,462
Or any kind of ED drug, because
those can cause heart failure.

534
00:22:35,794 --> 00:22:37,259
Those can cause f- heart failure.

535
00:22:37,263 --> 00:22:41,316
They, they, uh, they can mess
with your ecological system.

536
00:22:41,341 --> 00:22:42,132
Yes, you know?

537
00:22:42,141 --> 00:22:42,481
Yeah.

538
00:22:42,705 --> 00:22:47,868
I feel like any kind of ailment,
anything at all, you should discuss it

539
00:22:47,882 --> 00:22:49,609
with the partner you're playing with.

540
00:22:49,944 --> 00:22:52,934
It doesn't hurt, you know, and
it's not gonna turn people off.

541
00:22:52,948 --> 00:22:53,105
No.

542
00:22:53,221 --> 00:22:55,730
It's very, very important
to have that conversation.

543
00:22:55,730 --> 00:23:00,546
Because if the person you're with, it-
things are going well and then all of

544
00:23:00,547 --> 00:23:05,711
a sudden you lay on top of them and
you stop moving, well, you- Exactly

545
00:23:05,723 --> 00:23:07,229
… you just caused a lot of trauma.

546
00:23:08,115 --> 00:23:08,352
And, yes.

547
00:23:08,352 --> 00:23:09,553
You might, might be dead.

548
00:23:09,574 --> 00:23:10,878
And allergies.

549
00:23:11,416 --> 00:23:12,563
Like, allergic reactions to things.

550
00:23:12,563 --> 00:23:14,218
Oh my gosh, yeah, allergies.

551
00:23:14,273 --> 00:23:17,482
I'm s- I'm severely allergic to latex.

552
00:23:17,964 --> 00:23:22,813
I'm severely allergic to- Cats … to
cats, even though we have two of 'em.

553
00:23:22,899 --> 00:23:25,607
I'm allergic to certain spermicides.

554
00:23:25,673 --> 00:23:32,096
And also, sometimes there's an
estradiol, es- estrogen cream that

555
00:23:32,096 --> 00:23:35,205
I have to use inside of my vagina.

556
00:23:35,245 --> 00:23:36,667
I don't use it very often.

557
00:23:36,675 --> 00:23:40,596
It's, like, every now and then, but
what if you're allergic to that?

558
00:23:40,608 --> 00:23:40,877
Yeah.

559
00:23:40,910 --> 00:23:46,005
Like, be prepared to have these
adult conversations with the

560
00:23:46,005 --> 00:23:47,275
adult that you're playing with.

561
00:23:47,878 --> 00:23:48,893
It's important.

562
00:23:48,928 --> 00:23:54,233
It is severely, severely important for
you guys to be open and communicate

563
00:23:54,233 --> 00:23:58,667
that to whomever it is because- What if?

564
00:23:59,311 --> 00:23:59,568
Yeah.

565
00:23:59,839 --> 00:24:03,295
You know, we really should call this
show Beyond Communication because I

566
00:24:03,302 --> 00:24:06,662
feel like every single show, whether
we're talking about swinging, talking

567
00:24:06,667 --> 00:24:10,011
about poly, talking about kinks,
we are talking about communication.

568
00:24:10,013 --> 00:24:10,482
Yes.

569
00:24:10,536 --> 00:24:16,066
And if you wanna have a successful
relationship, not only with your primary

570
00:24:16,068 --> 00:24:20,540
or your secondary or your kitchen
table poly people, or just- Anybody

571
00:24:20,542 --> 00:24:24,478
anybody you wanna play with, it
all comes down to communication.

572
00:24:24,487 --> 00:24:24,575
Mm-hmm.

573
00:24:24,617 --> 00:24:31,281
And it seems like that is the number one
thing that people struggle with the most.

574
00:24:31,315 --> 00:24:32,518
Because of embarrassment?

575
00:24:32,718 --> 00:24:33,536
I guess so.

576
00:24:33,574 --> 00:24:35,914
It, it's not embarrassing, and
if you're, if you're an adult,

577
00:24:35,914 --> 00:24:37,765
you know that there's things-
Mm-hmm … like this that are going on.

578
00:24:37,765 --> 00:24:38,796
Yeah, easier said than done, though.

579
00:24:38,801 --> 00:24:42,389
Like, people have trouble
talking about condom usage.

580
00:24:43,036 --> 00:24:43,394
Yeah.

581
00:24:43,394 --> 00:24:46,975
People have trouble talking about
what their likes and dislikes are.

582
00:24:47,036 --> 00:24:47,046
Mm-hmm.

583
00:24:47,046 --> 00:24:51,742
Uh, people pleasers like myself
really keep a lot to ourselves

584
00:24:51,744 --> 00:24:53,568
because we don't wanna ruin the vibe.

585
00:24:53,579 --> 00:24:55,921
We want everybody to
enjoy themselves and- Yeah

586
00:24:55,921 --> 00:24:56,705
have a good time.

587
00:24:56,786 --> 00:25:01,751
You know, it, it's It's not so much
growing up as it is you gotta sit

588
00:25:01,756 --> 00:25:05,294
back and you gotta go, "You know
what? This may be better for me if

589
00:25:05,295 --> 00:25:08,875
I just communicate this." Mm. And
you take a shot, you do your thing.

590
00:25:09,144 --> 00:25:10,787
It works out, I promise.

591
00:25:11,071 --> 00:25:12,168
It normally does.

592
00:25:12,420 --> 00:25:17,514
If it doesn't work out, then they
were not meant to be in your life.

593
00:25:17,514 --> 00:25:17,524
Yes.

594
00:25:17,753 --> 00:25:18,306
Yes.

595
00:25:18,490 --> 00:25:19,752
And let them kick rocks.

596
00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:20,506
Exactly.

597
00:25:20,506 --> 00:25:21,279
You don't need that.

598
00:25:21,525 --> 00:25:26,552
Don't, don't feel shame because, uh,
you know, they made you feel shame.

599
00:25:27,253 --> 00:25:29,758
Feel shame because it's your- The
shame … because it's your kink.

600
00:25:29,794 --> 00:25:30,895
That's when you can feel shame.

601
00:25:31,396 --> 00:25:32,515
'Cause you like that.

602
00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:33,737
You like that sorta thing.

603
00:25:33,945 --> 00:25:36,082
But, you know, and that was another
thing that I thought about, too, es-

604
00:25:36,142 --> 00:25:40,803
especially with the kink community
because we have seen some shit, guys- Yes

605
00:25:40,803 --> 00:25:41,805
so in a kink night.

606
00:25:41,965 --> 00:25:42,187
Yeah.

607
00:25:42,231 --> 00:25:48,567
And there are some major kinks
that if they weren't done properly,

608
00:25:48,703 --> 00:25:52,383
if they weren't done safely, it
could be a medical emergency.

609
00:25:52,780 --> 00:25:53,423
Yes.

610
00:25:53,448 --> 00:25:53,985
You know?

611
00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:55,691
It could be very dangerous.

612
00:25:55,703 --> 00:25:56,647
What happens then?

613
00:25:56,667 --> 00:25:57,762
What happens then?

614
00:25:58,292 --> 00:26:02,021
Guys- Did you sign a consent form ? You
know, like what, what- Ex- e- exactly.

615
00:26:02,028 --> 00:26:02,148
Yeah.

616
00:26:02,218 --> 00:26:05,071
Like, you guys have to be
prepared for the what ifs.

617
00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:07,846
I know that, you know, the sex
is, is fun and spontaneous.

618
00:26:08,028 --> 00:26:10,302
What if you take a drug?

619
00:26:10,592 --> 00:26:12,175
Because let's be realistic here.

620
00:26:13,094 --> 00:26:17,400
There's a lot of drugs in every kind
of person, relationship, whatever.

621
00:26:17,609 --> 00:26:17,619
Mm-hmm.

622
00:26:17,619 --> 00:26:19,286
Like, I don't- The DARE program went
away- … I don't even know how to ex-

623
00:26:19,307 --> 00:26:23,033
a long time ago … how to express
that to people, but what if you

624
00:26:23,033 --> 00:26:26,311
popping a molly and your heart stops?

625
00:26:26,952 --> 00:26:28,527
You take too much and
you overdose at the club?

626
00:26:28,528 --> 00:26:29,290
Take too much.

627
00:26:29,598 --> 00:26:33,432
What if you're drinking alcohol and
you, it mixed with your medication?

628
00:26:33,998 --> 00:26:34,467
What then?

629
00:26:34,571 --> 00:26:35,133
Yeah.

630
00:26:35,175 --> 00:26:38,613
Like, you guys are not thinking about
things like that, but you really should.

631
00:26:39,042 --> 00:26:41,461
Like, it- No, we're not saying, you
know- Don't play … let it stop

632
00:26:41,463 --> 00:26:43,052
you from doing what you wanna do.

633
00:26:43,062 --> 00:26:44,904
We're saying take precaution.

634
00:26:44,922 --> 00:26:45,886
Take precautions.

635
00:26:45,938 --> 00:26:50,380
Keep these things in the back of
your mind because you are not 18.

636
00:26:50,380 --> 00:26:50,390
Mm-hmm.

637
00:26:50,495 --> 00:26:50,793
Yes.

638
00:26:50,793 --> 00:26:52,894
And if you are 18, why are we
even talking about this right now?

639
00:26:54,180 --> 00:26:55,494
You shouldn't be listening to this.

640
00:26:55,504 --> 00:26:57,397
You should, you should
go, go hug your parents.

641
00:26:57,418 --> 00:26:57,817
Yes.

642
00:26:58,022 --> 00:27:02,468
But really, I mean, it's, it's one
of those things where you wanna live

643
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:03,718
a reckless life, that's one thing.

644
00:27:03,959 --> 00:27:08,298
But at least do so while openly
communicating that- Yes … with

645
00:27:08,298 --> 00:27:11,772
everybody around you so that
everybody else can look out for you.

646
00:27:11,859 --> 00:27:12,369
Yes.

647
00:27:12,446 --> 00:27:15,425
Maybe make sure you're okay,
check on you as you go along.

648
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:21,015
Because if nobody knows and then you
drop dead, nobody's gonna know why.

649
00:27:21,031 --> 00:27:21,268
Mm-hmm.

650
00:27:21,412 --> 00:27:22,094
You know what I mean?

651
00:27:22,094 --> 00:27:24,942
Because d- did you know that-
Hmm … certain medications, say

652
00:27:24,943 --> 00:27:27,780
you took a Viagra- Yeah … and
you go to the emergency room.

653
00:27:27,788 --> 00:27:30,282
Mm. You can't have certain
medications injected inside of you.

654
00:27:30,283 --> 00:27:30,874
Oh, yeah.

655
00:27:30,924 --> 00:27:33,325
Certain life-saving- Yeah,
life-saving measures.

656
00:27:33,332 --> 00:27:33,573
Yeah.

657
00:27:33,618 --> 00:27:34,181
You cannot.

658
00:27:34,181 --> 00:27:37,412
Like, I think it's like glycerin
cannot be, you know, mixed

659
00:27:37,412 --> 00:27:38,780
with the Viagra medication.

660
00:27:38,782 --> 00:27:42,981
Like- Yeah … think about things like
that because- You may be having fun one

661
00:27:42,983 --> 00:27:45,331
moment and then just croak the next.

662
00:27:45,625 --> 00:27:48,251
You know, sad fact, but it is true.

663
00:27:48,361 --> 00:27:49,207
It is true.

664
00:27:49,207 --> 00:27:49,237
It is true.

665
00:27:49,307 --> 00:27:51,681
Life expectancy is- Mm … quite short.

666
00:27:51,746 --> 00:27:51,957
Yes.

667
00:27:51,961 --> 00:27:53,010
It's not what it used to be.

668
00:27:53,393 --> 00:27:55,343
So, you know, hey, I, I don't know.

669
00:27:55,344 --> 00:28:00,152
I, I felt like this was kind of important
to talk about just because it's not

670
00:28:00,192 --> 00:28:05,921
often discussed, and it is something to
think about- Yes … before you go play.

671
00:28:06,148 --> 00:28:07,554
And let me say something right quick.

672
00:28:07,568 --> 00:28:13,069
If this episode got you thinking, head
over to our site, beyond-monogamy.com.

673
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:18,011
That's where you'll find every
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674
00:28:18,011 --> 00:28:21,095
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675
00:28:21,095 --> 00:28:24,074
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676
00:28:24,271 --> 00:28:29,237
I don't know, maybe, uh, if you
had a story about a time that

677
00:28:29,250 --> 00:28:33,773
you were worried about something
that came up, please toss it in.

678
00:28:33,786 --> 00:28:34,417
We'd love to hear it.

679
00:28:34,632 --> 00:28:34,949
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680
00:28:35,329 --> 00:28:37,954
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681
00:28:37,954 --> 00:28:39,481
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682
00:28:39,710 --> 00:28:42,816
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683
00:28:42,826 --> 00:28:44,938
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684
00:28:45,132 --> 00:28:46,573
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685
00:28:46,808 --> 00:28:51,229
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00:28:51,479 --> 00:28:54,906
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687
00:28:55,175 --> 00:28:59,470
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688
00:28:59,488 --> 00:29:03,240
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00:29:07,043 --> 00:29:07,466
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691
00:29:07,511 --> 00:29:07,916
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692
00:29:07,952 --> 00:29:10,796
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693
00:29:10,851 --> 00:29:14,202
And with that, we thank you all
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694
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,646
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695
00:29:16,027 --> 00:29:16,854
Bye.