From Porn Star to Sex Coach: Stirling Cooper on the Lifestyle, Escorting & Men's Sexual Health

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All right, y'all.

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Before we dive in, a quick heads up

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This show is raw, real, and
definitely not rated PG.

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We're talking about adult themes,
sexual content, and the kinda stuff you

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probably don't want blasting through your
speakers at work or around your kids.

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So grab some headphones, pour your
drink of choice, and get comfy.

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Oh, and just so we're clear,
we are not licensed therapists,

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counselors, or sex couches.

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Sex coaches.

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Sex coaches.

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Not sex couches.

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We're just a couple of people sharing
our lives, experiences, and sexy

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adventures in ethical non-monogamy.

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So with that, pull up a
chair and enjoy the show.

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Hello, and welcome to another
episode of Beyond Monogamy.

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I'm Adam.

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And I'm Pris.

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And today, we've got a guest who's lived
more lives in the lifestyle than almost

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anyone that we've ever had on this show.

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He broke into the swinger scene as
a single guy, which if you know,

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you know how rare and hard that is.

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Wow.

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Went on to work as a high-class
male companion, and then built an

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award-winning career as an adult
performer before retiring in 2020 to

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become one of the most sought after
intimacy coaches for men in the world.

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So with that, I gotta say I'm excited.

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Welcome to the show, Stirling Cooper.

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Welcome.

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Wow.

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It's a pleasure to be here.

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That was a really good, I'm so, I am, I
did not know who we were recording today.

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Yeah.

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Um, I think he mentioned your name
once, but I have massive ADHD and-

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In one ear, out the other

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yeah, and it's like it doesn't stay.

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And I was like, "Who, who is it?" And
then he told me, and I was like, "Okay."

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Yeah.

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I was kind of expecting that.

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Um, that's quite a resume, sir.

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It is.

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It is.

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But you know what?

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Yeah.

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Hang on now.

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Before we get into it.

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Okay.

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Stick around, though, because today's
conversation is gonna get real.

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Now, with that- My goodness, lady.

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Okay, you've been fawning over the man
this entire time since he got here.

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So by all means, take the lead, honeybun.

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I was gonna

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say welcome.

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Well, it's a pleasure to be here.

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Thank you so much for having me on.

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Yeah.

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Thank you, thank you for joining us.

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You know, we, we really appreciate
you making the time for us.

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Yeah.

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As I was telling you earlier, I caught a
lot of a lot of, some reels and, different

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clips of you on different podcasts that
really caught my attention and I s- I

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said, "I g- I gotta get this guy on."

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I can tell you with that being said, my
wife here and I, we've been we started out

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in, as swingers, what, like 14 years ago?

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Mm-hmm.

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Something like that.

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Mm-hmm.

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And since then she has a high body count.

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And with that being said- … she
has a v- a very small count

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of good experiences with men-

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Yeah

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…
in the lifestyle.

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So I don't even call them experiences,
but with that I have to know because you

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are, in your wonderful resume there, you
came into the lifestyle as a single male?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's how I
managed to crack into it.

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Wow

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…
ba- I started back in Australia.

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Okay.

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We have this, we have this
web- I got introduced to this

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website by a friend actually.

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It's called Red Hot Pie I don't
know if it's still around.

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It probably is.

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But it was basically like, it was kinda
like like an OkCupid for swingers.

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Okay.

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So it was like on… this is actually ki-
I, I don't think, I don't think Tinder

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had really taken off yet in Australia-

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Okay.

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Mm-hmm

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…
at the time.

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So, like, online dating
wasn't really a thing.

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People were still meeting out
in bars and clubs and stuff.

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OkCupid was around.

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Mm-hmm.

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But it wasn't really that popular.

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And then this Red Hot Pie thing
kicked up, and for some reason

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it took off in Australia.

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Like, they loved it.

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And- … I, I sort of,
I sort of went on there.

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I'm like, "Huh." I kinda knew, I knew a
bit about, you know, marketing and sales

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and how to, like, sell yourself online,
so I wrote a rather charming, profile.

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I had a friend take some, some
really good pictures of me, and

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with like, you know, my top off and
with the, my six-pack and stuff.

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And then, yeah, just
ended up getting invited.

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The f- my first experience as a swinger
was getting invited by a couple-

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Mm-hmm

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…
uh, to come around.

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He was into the hotwifing thing.

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And that was, that experience was just,
like, heart beating out of my chest.

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Like, I didn't know what to expect.

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I'm like, "Is this guy gonna murder
me for touching his missus?" Yeah.

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"I don't know what's gonna happen." Right.

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Yeah.

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Um, it turned out to be… They
ended up becoming friends with them.

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They were great.

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She had this really interesting
thing where she, she had, like,

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orgasm-induced narcolepsy.

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No.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It was so-

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Oh my

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gosh.

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Wow.

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And this is, and this is my first
experience as, uh, in, in this scene.

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And that's, and you, and you stayed in it.

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Wow.

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You stayed in the game.

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And

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he, he's- Are you

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kidding?

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You gotta be all in after that.

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I

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mean, no shit.

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Well, he's in, he's in the corner, like,
you know, having a, having a watch,

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and I'm having a, a good time with his
wife, and then she climaxes or whatever,

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and then she's just, like, out cold
for, like, a good two, three minutes.

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And I'm like, "Uh-oh,
what have I done?" Wow.

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And he's like- That- … "Don't worry.

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Relax.

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Chill.

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It's okay.

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She… When she orgasms, she has, like,
she goes into, like, a really deep

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sleep, like, basically straightaway." Um-

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Wow.

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That's

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super.

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I mean, talk about a way to
get rid of a guy, though.

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I mean, I can,

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I can kinda understand, you
know, I'm not gonna lie.

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Uh, you know.

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I mean, yeah, okay, yeah.

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I've

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nodded off pretty much,
like, from the pre-cum stage,

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so I get it.

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my

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thought was, "Did she fake
that to get rid of him?"

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Oh.

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I, I mean, I wouldn't Well,
that's what you would've done.

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Yeah I mean, I wouldn't, but I'm just
saying, like, for me I, I haven't had

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good experiences, especially- Interesting

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with sing- Yeah.

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So, I would probably do that.

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That might be my next move.

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You could just use that as your out.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Start snoring or something.

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Well, they- Okay … they invite-
they had me back several times, so I

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couldn't have done that bad of a job.

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Uh- You

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knocked that bitch out.

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Yeah.

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And then

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Damn.

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What I found, it was, I found it really
interesting, like, as a single guy in

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the swing, it was, in the scene rather,
it was, like, it was r- really hard to

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try and find I guess, like unicorns-

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Yeah

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…
to, to hang out with.

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'Cause I, like, that's what I was kinda
looking for, was, like, people that,

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like women individually to play with.

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And then-

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That were open, right?

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That were more-

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Yeah.

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Yeah

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…
attempting,

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or the

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same kind of life.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and then go to parties with
them, 'cause that was kinda, I

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wanted to, I wanted to sort of
experience what the parties were like.

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And I eventually managed to crack
that with, um, there was one

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girl who was really, really fun,
and she invited me as a, as her,

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like, plus one to this big party.

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Mm-hmm.

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And that was kinda my real big
foot in the door in the scene.

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Uh, and oh, that was in
Perth, Western Australia.

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And I can still remember that
experience, like, again, heart beating

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through my chest, like, didn't know
what I… I parked on the street,

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and, like, I, outside the apartment
we were, we were supposed to go into.

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She was already in there, so I, I didn't,
like, have someone to walk in with.

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Oh, shit.

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And I'm seeing all these couples,
like, walk in, and the women are

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all wearing, like, big overcoats.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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So, you know, like, they've
got lingerie on underneath.

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Yes.

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And

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you're

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like, and I'm like, "That's
definitely the house.

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I'm in the right place."

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I do.

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Wow.

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I mean, you are… I'm gonna say
a lot of people don't like single

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men because they come off, they,
some of them come off pushy.

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Yes.

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I rarely get the pushiness.

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Um, and it, maybe it's because
of my, the air I give off to men.

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I'm, I'm… To be very honest, when I meet
a man, I'm always like, I'm the main…

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You're not running this.

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I'm the m-," you know?

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"I'm running this shit." The out alphas.

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Like,

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I'm the alf- Like, you know?

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Um, "You don't have any control. I'm
gonna, start the conversation, and if

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I'm interested, you're gonna know."
Uh, so I don't have a problem with

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single men, but some people really feel
like single guys act very predatory.

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Mm. Well, now to be fair-

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Now, I'm gonna say, I have never had that.

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I've never seen that.

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I have seen that more couples

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There… Well, there's a lot of
people who just automatically carry

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that on from their vanilla life-
Yeah … in thoughts like that.

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Yeah.

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But what they don't realize is a lot
of the men, or there's a lot of men who

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are in the lifestyle, who are single
men, who know how to do this ethically.

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Exactly.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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And, and m- most times, like, the, if they
wanna be successful, they're gonna know.

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They gotta know.

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I think that would make
them more successful.

253
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Yeah.

254
00:08:48,582 --> 00:08:51,952
Yeah, it was, it's interesting
'cause I, I went to a few… I

255
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went to, like, I would go to party.

256
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I f- you know, like I said, I started
off with just, getting invited around

257
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by a couple to do the hot wifing
thing, and then found a way into

258
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parties, and then would, when I sort
of networked more through parties,

259
00:09:05,062 --> 00:09:09,312
and then would go to, like, a couple
of clubs that we had in the city.

260
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And it was more at the clubs that
I saw- Mm … the sort of creepier

261
00:09:15,092 --> 00:09:17,492
single guy- Uh-huh … stuff
that you're talking about.

262
00:09:17,732 --> 00:09:18,212
Uh-huh.

263
00:09:18,272 --> 00:09:20,522
Because they could, 'cause they would
let… 'Cause the club's trying to make

264
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money, so they would let anyone in.

265
00:09:22,092 --> 00:09:22,522
Right.

266
00:09:22,882 --> 00:09:25,812
And they weren't, they obviously
weren't restricting, like, how

267
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many single dudes they let in.

268
00:09:27,522 --> 00:09:27,992
Yeah.

269
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So obviously the ratio is off, which
ne- which is never a good start.

270
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Yeah.

271
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And a

272
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lot

273
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of them-

274
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Sausage fest

275
00:09:33,890 --> 00:09:35,802
…
a very much sausage fest, yeah.

276
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Yeah.

277
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A, a lot of them would be just
sort of sitting around, kind

278
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of watching other people play.

279
00:09:40,692 --> 00:09:41,052
Mm-hmm.

280
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Whereas what I f- I found that the parties
were a lot more w- 'cause they're a lot

281
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more exclusive and something, like, you're
being selected to be on the invite list.

282
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It wasn't just anyone could come.

283
00:09:50,502 --> 00:09:55,572
That made for a much funner environment,
and everybody, like- If you're

284
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pre-vetted to go into that party,
they were like, "Okay, well, so and

285
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so vouched for you, so you can't be
that bad." And so there was alway-

286
00:10:01,992 --> 00:10:07,512
already like a, you'd already kinda,
you'd h- half won them over already.

287
00:10:08,122 --> 00:10:09,502
And I- It's kinda like a built-in

288
00:10:09,552 --> 00:10:10,292
vetting

289
00:10:10,292 --> 00:10:10,832
process

290
00:10:10,832 --> 00:10:11,072
…
I found a couple where
I really regret this.

291
00:10:11,072 --> 00:10:11,642
Yeah.

292
00:10:12,232 --> 00:10:12,832
Sorry, say that again.

293
00:10:12,882 --> 00:10:13,312
I cut you off.

294
00:10:13,662 --> 00:10:16,282
It's kinda like a
built-in vetting process.

295
00:10:16,352 --> 00:10:16,722
Yeah.

296
00:10:17,042 --> 00:10:17,962
Very much so, yeah.

297
00:10:18,292 --> 00:10:19,032
Mm. Okay.

298
00:10:19,772 --> 00:10:20,162
Wow.

299
00:10:20,892 --> 00:10:21,192
Dude-

300
00:10:21,332 --> 00:10:23,162
Definitely, definitely
as a single guy, right?

301
00:10:23,162 --> 00:10:25,922
'Cause it's, it's like I've
gotta do, like, the charming-

302
00:10:26,552 --> 00:10:26,902
Yeah

303
00:10:26,912 --> 00:10:27,352
Right

304
00:10:27,362 --> 00:10:28,012
in that, in that environment.

305
00:10:28,152 --> 00:10:30,942
Even though- Mm-hmm … I'm
there with, like, a date, right?

306
00:10:30,952 --> 00:10:30,982
Uh-huh.

307
00:10:30,992 --> 00:10:32,912
She's, she's, like, my plus
one or whatever, or I'm her

308
00:10:32,912 --> 00:10:33,582
plus one- Mm-hmm … rather.

309
00:10:34,162 --> 00:10:36,442
'Cause she, but she got
invited as the unicorn.

310
00:10:36,532 --> 00:10:37,022
I didn't.

311
00:10:37,032 --> 00:10:37,252
Mm-hmm.

312
00:10:37,402 --> 00:10:37,762
You know?

313
00:10:37,862 --> 00:10:38,182
Okay.

314
00:10:38,192 --> 00:10:41,372
So I'm there as her, kinda like
she's my representative there.

315
00:10:41,532 --> 00:10:41,562
Right.

316
00:10:41,802 --> 00:10:45,692
And so I've gotta make sure I'm
not, like, weirding anybody out.

317
00:10:45,742 --> 00:10:48,422
I gotta go in there and be as
charming as I possibly can.

318
00:10:48,572 --> 00:10:54,992
And I always, I always found that if
I just won the guy over, it, it made

319
00:10:55,002 --> 00:10:58,932
the whole interaction way smoother,
rather than just going in and trying

320
00:10:58,932 --> 00:11:00,722
hit, try to hit on his wife immediately.

321
00:11:01,042 --> 00:11:01,152
Yeah.

322
00:11:01,152 --> 00:11:01,545
You know?

323
00:11:01,545 --> 00:11:04,842
If I'm like, "Hey, how you doing?"
Like, I just have a regular guy

324
00:11:04,882 --> 00:11:08,192
conversation with him, and then
I'd nonchalantly, like, compliment

325
00:11:08,192 --> 00:11:09,632
him on how beautiful his wife was.

326
00:11:09,982 --> 00:11:10,382
Yeah.

327
00:11:10,782 --> 00:11:15,602
And then he's like, "Oh, well,
have at it." Like, it was so-

328
00:11:15,602 --> 00:11:16,642
Exactly … that was kinda like-

329
00:11:16,882 --> 00:11:18,342
That's how you get in the door.

330
00:11:18,682 --> 00:11:19,152
Yeah.

331
00:11:19,382 --> 00:11:19,672
Yeah.

332
00:11:19,702 --> 00:11:20,752
It wasn't that complicated.

333
00:11:20,772 --> 00:11:22,632
I don't know why, I don't know
how guys managed to screw that up.

334
00:11:22,632 --> 00:11:23,092
I was like, "What?"

335
00:11:23,092 --> 00:11:23,452
Yeah.

336
00:11:23,712 --> 00:11:26,062
I mean, I'm not gonna lie,
even women screw that up.

337
00:11:26,092 --> 00:11:28,562
Like, if they were just… And, um-
That's true … you know, we're not, I'm

338
00:11:28,562 --> 00:11:34,832
not, I am very territorial but- … um,
like if they just ask me or, like,

339
00:11:34,832 --> 00:11:36,692
"Hey, you know, talk to me first"- Yeah

340
00:11:36,752 --> 00:11:43,692
and then just the transition from
me to him would be so smooth.

341
00:11:44,122 --> 00:11:44,332
Mm.

342
00:11:44,342 --> 00:11:48,132
And my, I, I'm… So on
the show I am very blunt.

343
00:11:48,132 --> 00:11:49,632
I am very territorial.

344
00:11:49,632 --> 00:11:50,932
I'm very possessive.

345
00:11:50,972 --> 00:11:52,492
I'm a very jealous person.

346
00:11:53,182 --> 00:11:53,482
I'm not.

347
00:11:53,482 --> 00:11:55,742
But we still thrive in
the lifestyle, you know?

348
00:11:55,762 --> 00:11:56,172
Um- Yeah.

349
00:11:56,212 --> 00:12:02,022
He's learned to accept it, and I've
learned to understand my- My quirkiness.

350
00:12:02,122 --> 00:12:03,862
I know how to better navigate it now.

351
00:12:03,902 --> 00:12:04,572
Yeah.

352
00:12:04,572 --> 00:12:05,172
You know, it's just different.

353
00:12:05,582 --> 00:12:09,352
W- for when you, you don't really
realize where it's coming from.

354
00:12:09,412 --> 00:12:10,122
Now I kinda know.

355
00:12:10,562 --> 00:12:13,772
Mm. I'm like, "Okay. Let me figure
out how to work this." You know, I,

356
00:12:13,812 --> 00:12:17,902
I have mad respect for single guys in
this community, I've said it before.

357
00:12:17,932 --> 00:12:18,082
Yes.

358
00:12:18,362 --> 00:12:19,052
Because-

359
00:12:19,062 --> 00:12:19,712
It's hard

360
00:12:19,872 --> 00:12:24,432
…
it, I feel like you guys have to work
twice as hard kind of against the

361
00:12:24,432 --> 00:12:28,102
grain to gain respect from others.

362
00:12:28,132 --> 00:12:33,092
Because there's, you know, there's almost
sometimes, like, a, a negative cloud-

363
00:12:33,402 --> 00:12:33,522
Mm

364
00:12:33,562 --> 00:12:34,602
…
over it sometimes.

365
00:12:34,602 --> 00:12:36,202
People get very kind of freaked out.

366
00:12:36,512 --> 00:12:38,262
Yeah, there was, there was,
there's definitely work to do.

367
00:12:38,302 --> 00:12:41,582
Like, it was definitely… Like, I was a-
I was consciously aware of the fact that

368
00:12:41,582 --> 00:12:45,362
I had to, like, impress people or- See,
that's- Or at least not weird them out.

369
00:12:45,862 --> 00:12:46,822
That's the key.

370
00:12:46,922 --> 00:12:47,242
Yeah.

371
00:12:47,482 --> 00:12:48,002
Yeah.

372
00:12:48,092 --> 00:12:48,112
Yeah.

373
00:12:48,112 --> 00:12:50,992
Whereas- I think sometimes
horny brain takes over.

374
00:12:51,482 --> 00:12:52,192
Yeah.

375
00:12:52,192 --> 00:12:52,222
Yeah.

376
00:12:52,222 --> 00:12:53,472
Yeah, that's a good way of saying it.

377
00:12:53,502 --> 00:12:56,852
I've s- 'Cause that's, that's what I saw
a lot of with, especially, like I said,

378
00:12:56,852 --> 00:12:58,502
especially at the clubs, not less- Mm-hmm

379
00:12:58,502 --> 00:13:01,072
not as much at the parties, but
definitely at the clubs, where

380
00:13:01,072 --> 00:13:06,312
you'd have the dudes kind of i-
like, not reading the room, I guess.

381
00:13:06,332 --> 00:13:07,092
Like Yeah, yeah.

382
00:13:07,092 --> 00:13:07,712
Yeah.

383
00:13:08,412 --> 00:13:10,572
Not reading the interaction,
not seeing what not seeing like-

384
00:13:10,582 --> 00:13:12,932
Yeah … oh, this couple and this
couple are having a good time together.

385
00:13:12,962 --> 00:13:15,952
They're getting to know each other,
and then he tries to, like, insert

386
00:13:15,952 --> 00:13:16,822
himself into this conversation.

387
00:13:16,822 --> 00:13:16,832
Yeah.

388
00:13:16,832 --> 00:13:16,992
And it's like, "Ugh." Like, you, you
know, that's not quite the time to do it.

389
00:13:16,992 --> 00:13:17,072
Um, yeah.

390
00:13:17,572 --> 00:13:18,512
Oh, yeah.

391
00:13:18,512 --> 00:13:23,092
It's, it's de- it's definitely, it was
definitely a really… If, if anything,

392
00:13:23,092 --> 00:13:28,312
it was an experience in, like s- like,
networking, as a weird way of saying it.

393
00:13:28,312 --> 00:13:28,872
There you go.

394
00:13:29,522 --> 00:13:29,922
Yeah.

395
00:13:30,042 --> 00:13:30,072
Like

396
00:13:30,362 --> 00:13:30,642
Yeah.

397
00:13:30,672 --> 00:13:34,422
I learned a lot about, like, how,
like, how to network with people.

398
00:13:34,642 --> 00:13:34,662
Mm-hmm.

399
00:13:34,662 --> 00:13:38,922
Which I've applied into, like, business
fr- from the swinger scene, of all things.

400
00:13:39,422 --> 00:13:43,182
Is that where you got the
idea to jump into adult films?

401
00:13:44,022 --> 00:13:44,372
Yeah.

402
00:13:44,372 --> 00:13:48,922
Well, I had… So, during my time in
the swinger scene, I had a few girls I

403
00:13:48,922 --> 00:13:52,862
played with who were escorts themselves,
and they were po- Uh-huh … and they'd

404
00:13:52,862 --> 00:13:54,422
done a bit of porn themselves as well.

405
00:13:54,922 --> 00:13:58,602
And it was over the course of like a
year, year and a half, I had a, on at

406
00:13:58,602 --> 00:14:03,162
least three, four different occasions,
I had these women tell me, "Hey,

407
00:14:03,162 --> 00:14:04,702
you should give like escorting a go.

408
00:14:04,702 --> 00:14:08,072
You'd probably be pretty good at it."
And I'm like, "Ah, she's just trying

409
00:14:08,072 --> 00:14:10,522
to like, like blow smoke up my ass."

410
00:14:10,712 --> 00:14:10,962
Yeah.

411
00:14:10,962 --> 00:14:12,119
Like I just sort of-

412
00:14:12,119 --> 00:14:13,622
No, we don't, we don't usually say

413
00:14:13,622 --> 00:14:14,322
that … it's just a myth.

414
00:14:15,002 --> 00:14:15,022
Yeah.

415
00:14:15,522 --> 00:14:18,347
So I heard it once, I'm like, "Ah,
whatever." I heard it, I heard it

416
00:14:18,347 --> 00:14:19,072
twice, I'm like, "That's funny.

417
00:14:19,072 --> 00:14:19,812
I've heard that before."

418
00:14:20,082 --> 00:14:24,012
And then I heard it like a third or
fourth time and I'm like, "Shit, maybe I

419
00:14:24,012 --> 00:14:26,862
actually should give this a go." And so

420
00:14:26,992 --> 00:14:29,592
then- Yeah, 'cause I've never been
told that at all, just so you know.

421
00:14:29,602 --> 00:14:29,612
Oh.

422
00:14:30,112 --> 00:14:31,812
So believe that shit, man.

423
00:14:32,312 --> 00:14:33,922
They say that to all the guys.

424
00:14:33,922 --> 00:14:34,012
I'm gonna

425
00:14:34,512 --> 00:14:35,072
walk away going,

426
00:14:35,072 --> 00:14:35,812
"
Damn."

427
00:14:36,062 --> 00:14:36,252
No.

428
00:14:36,942 --> 00:14:37,042
No.

429
00:14:37,042 --> 00:14:37,432
I'm, I'll up my game.

430
00:14:37,432 --> 00:14:37,542
They

431
00:14:37,542 --> 00:14:37,972
do not.

432
00:14:38,562 --> 00:14:38,632
They do not.

433
00:14:39,112 --> 00:14:39,132
No.

434
00:14:39,892 --> 00:14:42,712
Well that was… Yeah, so that, that
happened a bunch and then I thought,

435
00:14:42,772 --> 00:14:46,272
"Okay, well maybe they're onto something."
And the way it actually eventuated

436
00:14:46,472 --> 00:14:53,702
was one of the women that I played
with, she had this idea to start up

437
00:14:53,742 --> 00:14:56,692
like basically like a gigolo agency.

438
00:14:57,192 --> 00:14:57,272
Oh.

439
00:14:57,872 --> 00:15:02,762
And she- Smart … she had like me and
one other guy, and her, her initial,

440
00:15:02,922 --> 00:15:07,362
her business plan was like, I'm gonna
cater, I'm gonna find like these couples

441
00:15:07,362 --> 00:15:11,792
in the scene who have a really specific
niche fantasy they wanna act out.

442
00:15:12,382 --> 00:15:12,752
Yes.

443
00:15:12,762 --> 00:15:15,542
And I'm gonna cater, like get
these two guys to cater to it.

444
00:15:16,502 --> 00:15:18,732
And so we did like a bunch of photos.

445
00:15:18,782 --> 00:15:21,822
Like she g- she got some really,
really good photos of me like

446
00:15:21,882 --> 00:15:22,952
nude and topless and stuff.

447
00:15:23,362 --> 00:15:23,772
Mm-hmm.

448
00:15:23,992 --> 00:15:25,642
And then the plan completely fell through.

449
00:15:26,242 --> 00:15:26,352
Oh.

450
00:15:26,352 --> 00:15:29,692
And she didn't do the whole agency
thing, but I had all these like photo…

451
00:15:29,742 --> 00:15:32,492
And I'd l- I had all these like
really good photos and I'd learned

452
00:15:32,572 --> 00:15:36,042
from her how she was intending to
like advertise this whole thing,

453
00:15:36,422 --> 00:15:37,782
like the different forums and stuff.

454
00:15:37,812 --> 00:15:38,232
Yeah.

455
00:15:38,232 --> 00:15:41,902
And so I'm like, "Hmm, let's give…
Sh- fuck it. Let's give it a crack."

456
00:15:42,502 --> 00:15:42,872
Yeah.

457
00:15:43,022 --> 00:15:43,722
Hell yeah, man.

458
00:15:43,722 --> 00:15:44,342
And I did it myself.

459
00:15:45,252 --> 00:15:48,642
And yeah, like the first client
I got was actually a woman who

460
00:15:48,642 --> 00:15:52,032
used to escort herself in like her
20s when she was at university.

461
00:15:52,822 --> 00:15:53,462
Oh wow.

462
00:15:53,962 --> 00:15:54,272
Yeah.

463
00:15:54,272 --> 00:15:54,422
That

464
00:15:54,422 --> 00:15:55,292
was really interesting.

465
00:15:55,292 --> 00:15:56,572
What, what, what all
entails to be an escort?

466
00:15:56,602 --> 00:15:59,022
What, what are you… Are you just

467
00:15:59,522 --> 00:16:01,532
Are you just, are you having
sex with these people?

468
00:16:02,352 --> 00:16:02,572
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

469
00:16:02,572 --> 00:16:03,282
Is escorting that?

470
00:16:03,392 --> 00:16:04,252
So it's everything.

471
00:16:04,282 --> 00:16:04,902
Okay.

472
00:16:05,282 --> 00:16:06,042
It's, it's everything.

473
00:16:06,042 --> 00:16:06,232
Um- How nice.

474
00:16:06,232 --> 00:16:06,272
It's

475
00:16:06,272 --> 00:16:07,072
an experience,

476
00:16:07,242 --> 00:16:07,492
right?

477
00:16:08,032 --> 00:16:08,542
It's an experience.

478
00:16:08,542 --> 00:16:08,707
Yeah.

479
00:16:08,707 --> 00:16:09,292
It- Okay.

480
00:16:09,312 --> 00:16:09,792
Okay

481
00:16:09,792 --> 00:16:12,382
…
it depended on the client, obviously.

482
00:16:12,442 --> 00:16:16,042
So if it was a couple booking me,
it was a hotwifing experience.

483
00:16:16,162 --> 00:16:16,572
Mm-hmm.

484
00:16:16,622 --> 00:16:18,052
Or a cuckolding experience.

485
00:16:18,312 --> 00:16:18,642
Yeah.

486
00:16:18,662 --> 00:16:21,612
So like, I'm the bull in that scenario,
and he… It's, a lot of the, a lot

487
00:16:21,612 --> 00:16:26,212
of the time it was, like, him buying
me as a present for her birthday.

488
00:16:26,852 --> 00:16:28,082
That's a really great present.

489
00:16:28,082 --> 00:16:28,202
It

490
00:16:28,702 --> 00:16:29,532
was always his idea.

491
00:16:29,532 --> 00:16:30,842
It was always the guy's idea.

492
00:16:30,912 --> 00:16:31,442
Always.

493
00:16:32,332 --> 00:16:32,652
Like-

494
00:16:32,982 --> 00:16:34,072
Did they wrap you up?

495
00:16:34,412 --> 00:16:36,202
Like with- I have to see
the scenario real quick.

496
00:16:36,732 --> 00:16:36,752
No.

497
00:16:37,202 --> 00:16:37,222
No.

498
00:16:38,102 --> 00:16:42,392
There, there was one interesting client
I had where we sat down and we were

499
00:16:42,392 --> 00:16:45,572
talking, like we're on their back patio
talking, getting to know each other,

500
00:16:46,082 --> 00:16:51,532
and they had these two dogs That were
like, they just really didn't like me.

501
00:16:52,262 --> 00:16:56,662
And like she, so the, the lady was
like kind of up next to me, like

502
00:16:56,662 --> 00:16:58,162
getting all touchy-feely on me.

503
00:16:58,162 --> 00:16:58,442
Mm-hmm.

504
00:16:58,442 --> 00:17:04,442
And this dog was right here,
like growling its ass off, like

505
00:17:05,022 --> 00:17:06,612
right next to my jugular vein.

506
00:17:06,612 --> 00:17:11,672
And I'm just like I, I'm trying to like
con- do my job, trying to concentrate

507
00:17:11,832 --> 00:17:14,732
on this lady, like, you know, give it,
giving her like the attention she wants.

508
00:17:14,732 --> 00:17:17,822
And I'm like, "Do you mind if we
like go inside? 'Cause I don't

509
00:17:17,822 --> 00:17:19,002
think he likes me being here."

510
00:17:19,502 --> 00:17:22,855
I mean, Adam's, Adam's
gotten his balls bit

511
00:17:22,855 --> 00:17:23,059
before.

512
00:17:23,059 --> 00:17:26,142
Oh, yeah, I've had… I think we
had a whole show on it actually,

513
00:17:26,252 --> 00:17:26,712
but yeah.

514
00:17:26,712 --> 00:17:27,872
I, like, the dog went up to his
balls and tried to nip them, so.

515
00:17:27,872 --> 00:17:29,802
It was, that was not a fun experience.

516
00:17:29,802 --> 00:17:32,322
I, I… Since then, I'm a little
skittish when there's animals around.

517
00:17:32,322 --> 00:17:32,532
Yeah.

518
00:17:32,622 --> 00:17:32,982
Yeah.

519
00:17:32,992 --> 00:17:35,322
Uh, frankly, I don't even like to
masturbate in front of our cat.

520
00:17:35,332 --> 00:17:36,432
Like, that's just weird to me.

521
00:17:36,432 --> 00:17:38,072
Like, I, I won't even go there, you know?

522
00:17:38,282 --> 00:17:41,492
I kick the cat out, and then I'm like,
"Okay, now I can do my business." Thank

523
00:17:41,632 --> 00:17:41,862
goodness.

524
00:17:42,142 --> 00:17:42,382
Um-

525
00:17:42,392 --> 00:17:43,822
Yeah, you don't, you
don't need to see this.

526
00:17:43,862 --> 00:17:44,052
Like-

527
00:17:44,052 --> 00:17:44,642
That's right.

528
00:17:44,772 --> 00:17:44,942
Yeah.

529
00:17:44,952 --> 00:17:46,482
You have to avert your eyes, you know?

530
00:17:46,482 --> 00:17:46,922
Yeah, yeah.

531
00:17:47,372 --> 00:17:53,352
What I found interesting is, is that you
s- I mean, you basically, you started

532
00:17:53,352 --> 00:17:58,212
this business from the ground up, which
is, I mean, without any real experience,

533
00:17:58,212 --> 00:18:00,262
just kind of a game plan in your head.

534
00:18:00,282 --> 00:18:03,372
I mean, that's- Yeah … sex work
or not, that's pretty- What's

535
00:18:03,382 --> 00:18:03,697
your, what's…

536
00:18:03,697 --> 00:18:03,882
Yeah,

537
00:18:03,882 --> 00:18:04,752
like what's your background?

538
00:18:04,752 --> 00:18:05,592
…
pretty good business.

539
00:18:05,822 --> 00:18:07,402
Uh, my background is actually chemistry.

540
00:18:08,362 --> 00:18:08,762
Wow.

541
00:18:08,772 --> 00:18:09,292
Chemistry.

542
00:18:09,292 --> 00:18:09,762
Okay.

543
00:18:09,762 --> 00:18:10,062
Of all things.

544
00:18:10,082 --> 00:18:10,392
Yeah.

545
00:18:10,452 --> 00:18:11,922
I have a double degree in chemistry.

546
00:18:12,032 --> 00:18:14,962
So I worked as, like, I worked as
like a research scientist for a

547
00:18:14,962 --> 00:18:16,252
pharmaceutical company for a bit.

548
00:18:17,042 --> 00:18:18,062
A sexy scientist.

549
00:18:18,902 --> 00:18:19,742
It was really boring.

550
00:18:19,752 --> 00:18:20,842
It was really not sexy.

551
00:18:21,342 --> 00:18:23,222
It was, it was like the most
boring job I've ever had.

552
00:18:23,422 --> 00:18:23,512
Um-

553
00:18:23,662 --> 00:18:26,372
Look, Stirling, don't
ruin the fantasy, okay?

554
00:18:26,372 --> 00:18:26,779
No, yeah, me in a lab coat, yeah.

555
00:18:26,779 --> 00:18:26,830
Okay?

556
00:18:26,830 --> 00:18:26,880
No.

557
00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:26,931
Okay.

558
00:18:26,931 --> 00:18:26,982
Yeah.

559
00:18:26,982 --> 00:18:27,202
All right.

560
00:18:28,192 --> 00:18:28,452
So it,

561
00:18:28,952 --> 00:18:32,562
it was funny though, 'cause I was doing…
Like, so I was d- I was, by day, I was

562
00:18:32,562 --> 00:18:35,762
like this pharmacist, not pharmacist,
but you know, like in the, in a lab.

563
00:18:36,022 --> 00:18:36,042
Mm-hmm.

564
00:18:36,042 --> 00:18:38,772
And then by night, I'm like off
doing all these parties and stuff.

565
00:18:39,272 --> 00:18:39,532
Magic night.

566
00:18:39,592 --> 00:18:39,792
Yeah.

567
00:18:39,932 --> 00:18:44,212
And it was… We kinda, like,
what I noticed that was, there

568
00:18:44,212 --> 00:18:46,442
was a real difference, 'cause
I moved around Australia.

569
00:18:46,942 --> 00:18:51,152
So when I was in, when I was in Western
Australia, most of the clientele

570
00:18:51,392 --> 00:18:55,602
were like couples booking me for
the hot wifing, cuckolding thing.

571
00:18:55,932 --> 00:18:56,412
Mm-hmm.

572
00:18:56,882 --> 00:19:00,792
And I noticed, uh, I… And a lot of
them, we have this phenomenon in, in

573
00:19:00,802 --> 00:19:05,592
Australia, especially Western Australia,
where we have lots of mines, right?

574
00:19:05,592 --> 00:19:09,552
So we have lots of big gold mines,
big iron, huge iron ore mines- Mm-hmm

575
00:19:09,782 --> 00:19:13,492
up in the northwest, and we do
this thing called FIFO work,

576
00:19:13,492 --> 00:19:15,582
which stands for Fly In, Fly Out.

577
00:19:15,952 --> 00:19:16,242
Mm-hmm.

578
00:19:16,282 --> 00:19:20,492
So guys will fly up to the mine site,
they'll work for like two weeks straight,

579
00:19:20,732 --> 00:19:22,192
and they'll s- they'll live on site.

580
00:19:22,292 --> 00:19:27,282
They'll eat, sleep, breathe there, and
then they go back home for one week.

581
00:19:27,492 --> 00:19:28,332
They go back to the city.

582
00:19:28,342 --> 00:19:28,362
Wow.

583
00:19:29,012 --> 00:19:30,682
So it's two weeks on,
one week off like that.

584
00:19:31,112 --> 00:19:31,562
Wow.

585
00:19:31,922 --> 00:19:36,162
And what I noticed was that- All the
cl- all the people that were booking

586
00:19:36,162 --> 00:19:39,982
me, the couples that were booking me, it
was guys who worked FIFO booking me- Oh.

587
00:19:39,992 --> 00:19:42,782
Ah … to smash their
wife when they got back.

588
00:19:43,162 --> 00:19:47,082
And I had to, I just c- my thought process
was like, here's what I think's happening.

589
00:19:47,652 --> 00:19:52,982
This guy's like on site for two weeks
straight, no women around, just porn.

590
00:19:52,992 --> 00:19:53,872
Mm-hmm.

591
00:19:53,912 --> 00:19:56,272
And, and he gets the
fantasy in his head there.

592
00:19:56,642 --> 00:19:56,792
Mm-hmm.

593
00:19:56,792 --> 00:19:59,972
And he's like, "I'm gonna try
that with my missus back home."

594
00:20:00,482 --> 00:20:00,792
Yeah.

595
00:20:00,962 --> 00:20:06,182
And so he comes back, finds my
ad, I come round and we play

596
00:20:06,182 --> 00:20:07,362
out that fantasy with his wife.

597
00:20:07,392 --> 00:20:09,292
And it's like when I…

598
00:20:09,322 --> 00:20:12,152
And then when I moved to the east coast
of Australia, like Sydney, Melbourne,

599
00:20:12,492 --> 00:20:18,982
where there's a lot more like white
collar work, like finance and yeah, just

600
00:20:19,032 --> 00:20:20,992
general like big corporations and things.

601
00:20:20,992 --> 00:20:21,122
Uh-huh.

602
00:20:21,122 --> 00:20:21,502
Uh-huh.

603
00:20:21,502 --> 00:20:24,502
That's when my clientele became
more wealthy businesswomen.

604
00:20:24,512 --> 00:20:24,522
Mm.

605
00:20:25,052 --> 00:20:25,422
Oh.

606
00:20:26,322 --> 00:20:32,132
And it was women who were, yeah, maybe,
maybe mid-30s to mid-40s, really, really

607
00:20:32,132 --> 00:20:35,212
wealthy was struggled to find like…

608
00:20:35,712 --> 00:20:39,082
Well, they struggled, they, they
often struggled to find a partner

609
00:20:39,082 --> 00:20:42,142
who wasn't trying to take advantage
of them because of their money-

610
00:20:43,092 --> 00:20:43,592
Okay.

611
00:20:43,602 --> 00:20:44,882
Yeah … if they were
really, really wealthy.

612
00:20:45,292 --> 00:20:45,472
Yeah.

613
00:20:45,472 --> 00:20:47,832
And so they wanted, they wanted that
compassion, they want, they, they

614
00:20:47,832 --> 00:20:50,912
wanted that companionship and that
love and that, and that, and that

615
00:20:51,182 --> 00:20:55,842
passion as well, but they didn't want
to risk having their heart broken-

616
00:20:56,152 --> 00:20:56,582
Mm-hmm

617
00:20:57,492 --> 00:20:58,192
by dating.

618
00:20:58,202 --> 00:20:58,222
Yeah.

619
00:20:58,572 --> 00:21:01,062
And so they would, they would book
me and I'd take a-- I'd give them the

620
00:21:01,062 --> 00:21:07,082
girlfriend experience and, we'd have a,
you know, lovely time going out dinner

621
00:21:07,082 --> 00:21:10,772
and a show and then, and then back to
their place or back to the hotel for, for-

622
00:21:10,782 --> 00:21:11,652
Yeah … something a bit more intimate.

623
00:21:12,152 --> 00:21:12,222
That's nice.

624
00:21:12,222 --> 00:21:16,062
And that was, that was kinda what I
noticed on the, a r- in a more, in a

625
00:21:16,062 --> 00:21:17,832
less, like, blue collar environment.

626
00:21:18,002 --> 00:21:18,282
Mm-hmm.

627
00:21:18,282 --> 00:21:20,282
In a b- in a more white collar
environment was a lot more of that.

628
00:21:20,782 --> 00:21:22,122
You know, I, I get it.

629
00:21:22,362 --> 00:21:27,482
And, and, and what I mean by that is,
is from, you know, I, I… One of my

630
00:21:27,482 --> 00:21:29,502
kinks is the hot wife stag- Mm-hmm

631
00:21:29,502 --> 00:21:30,892
uh, kink.

632
00:21:30,902 --> 00:21:31,282
You know?

633
00:21:31,282 --> 00:21:31,292
Yeah.

634
00:21:31,292 --> 00:21:35,942
I love to see her with somebody
else, uh, whether it be man or

635
00:21:35,942 --> 00:21:37,392
a woman or a couple, whatever.

636
00:21:37,662 --> 00:21:38,552
I love watching her.

637
00:21:38,662 --> 00:21:44,462
And one of the things that I love
most is seeing her get pleasure,

638
00:21:44,612 --> 00:21:46,232
seeing her get satisfaction.

639
00:21:46,232 --> 00:21:49,262
You know, like every experience
I hope that she has a good

640
00:21:49,272 --> 00:21:51,302
experience, if not great, right?

641
00:21:51,882 --> 00:21:55,442
And what I've noticed is most
times she's been disappointed.

642
00:21:56,312 --> 00:21:59,322
And so me, I'm, I'm a simple guy, man.

643
00:21:59,332 --> 00:22:02,932
I got three moves at best, and it
doesn't take much to set me off.

644
00:22:02,942 --> 00:22:06,362
So, you know, for me, it, it…
I mean, I'm gonna have a good

645
00:22:06,362 --> 00:22:07,782
time for the most part, I think-

646
00:22:07,812 --> 00:22:08,032
Yeah.

647
00:22:08,062 --> 00:22:11,222
…
out of… And, you know, it's
really hard to be bad in bed for me.

648
00:22:11,222 --> 00:22:12,232
I mean, I'm, I'm good.

649
00:22:12,312 --> 00:22:12,832
I'm easy.

650
00:22:13,452 --> 00:22:16,902
But pretty much every experience I
have is gonna be a good experience,

651
00:22:16,922 --> 00:22:20,672
and pretty much almost every s-
experience she has is gonna be bad.

652
00:22:20,812 --> 00:22:21,162
Yeah.

653
00:22:21,172 --> 00:22:26,092
Mm. So I can see the goods
in hiring a professional-

654
00:22:26,242 --> 00:22:26,342
Mm-hmm

655
00:22:26,872 --> 00:22:32,914
…
to come in so that a couple can
experience this whole setup if

656
00:22:32,944 --> 00:22:34,544
you even wanted to have it set up.

657
00:22:34,544 --> 00:22:36,284
Like, you get hit on- Yeah.

658
00:22:36,314 --> 00:22:41,004
And in, in a bar, and you get taken to
the, a hotel room, this or that, and

659
00:22:41,044 --> 00:22:46,454
you know that it's not some complete
crazy whacked off the street guy.

660
00:22:46,824 --> 00:22:51,444
Mm. It's a controlled, safe
situation that you can play out.

661
00:22:51,534 --> 00:22:51,904
Yeah.

662
00:22:52,004 --> 00:22:52,574
I get it.

663
00:22:52,704 --> 00:22:55,664
I mean, just from a, a husband's
standpoint I totally get that.

664
00:22:55,674 --> 00:22:57,714
That's a it's a safety situation- Yeah.

665
00:22:57,994 --> 00:22:58,754
It is … right there.

666
00:22:58,754 --> 00:22:59,102
I mean.

667
00:22:59,102 --> 00:22:59,276
And

668
00:22:59,276 --> 00:23:03,466
You know the guy isn't gonna be
like weird and creepy and, and-

669
00:23:03,476 --> 00:23:04,066
Yeah

670
00:23:04,156 --> 00:23:07,676
…
like try to insert himself into
your relationship or break your

671
00:23:07,676 --> 00:23:09,406
relationship up or anything like that.

672
00:23:09,576 --> 00:23:09,816
Like-

673
00:23:09,816 --> 00:23:10,226
Yeah

674
00:23:10,456 --> 00:23:14,006
…
all that's off the table
because it's just a transaction.

675
00:23:14,316 --> 00:23:14,756
Yeah.

676
00:23:14,826 --> 00:23:15,106
Yeah.

677
00:23:15,106 --> 00:23:18,086
I mean, it's, it's very clean cut and dry.

678
00:23:18,286 --> 00:23:18,486
Yeah.

679
00:23:18,506 --> 00:23:24,243
And because, you know, I've… We have our
little fantasies and this and that- Mm-hmm

680
00:23:24,243 --> 00:23:25,496
… that we talk about all the time.

681
00:23:25,496 --> 00:23:30,276
And, and like I said, when she has
her scenario set up, it's like,

682
00:23:30,296 --> 00:23:31,896
well yeah, you could go do this.

683
00:23:32,436 --> 00:23:34,646
You could go do this,
and you could go do that.

684
00:23:34,646 --> 00:23:39,176
Mm. We don't know who she's with
or y- like, y- you know, there's

685
00:23:39,186 --> 00:23:40,506
some crazy people out there.

686
00:23:40,506 --> 00:23:40,846
Yeah.

687
00:23:40,846 --> 00:23:41,286
You know what I mean?

688
00:23:41,386 --> 00:23:41,706
Yeah.

689
00:23:41,716 --> 00:23:44,636
So, uh, I, I totally get that.

690
00:23:44,646 --> 00:23:44,676
Mm-hmm.

691
00:23:45,116 --> 00:23:49,056
What I am kinda curious about
though, d- now you, you went

692
00:23:49,056 --> 00:23:50,656
into adult film from there.

693
00:23:50,666 --> 00:23:51,116
Is that right?

694
00:23:51,136 --> 00:23:52,086
You, from the escorting?

695
00:23:52,096 --> 00:23:53,906
So it was just kind of
a natural transition?

696
00:23:54,206 --> 00:23:54,676
Yeah.

697
00:23:54,786 --> 00:23:57,276
It was a deliberate transition,
'cause again, there was a couple

698
00:23:57,276 --> 00:23:59,416
of girls, a couple of the girls-
Okay … who'd done escorting.

699
00:23:59,456 --> 00:24:01,486
There was, there's a lot of
crossover in Australia- Okay.

700
00:24:01,486 --> 00:24:04,426
Mm-hmm … between, 'cause the, the
porn scene in Australia is tiny.

701
00:24:05,026 --> 00:24:08,356
Like, there's maybe like three
companies that shoot, and they're

702
00:24:08,356 --> 00:24:11,566
just, and they're more just like
amateur hobby companies than- Mm-hmm

703
00:24:11,576 --> 00:24:12,796
serious professional ones.

704
00:24:13,316 --> 00:24:13,536
Oh, wow.

705
00:24:13,636 --> 00:24:16,866
That, I mean, that has a lot, that has
really changed in the last like six

706
00:24:16,866 --> 00:24:18,496
years though with OnlyFans coming around.

707
00:24:18,776 --> 00:24:18,986
Sure.

708
00:24:18,986 --> 00:24:26,286
So I'm talking, you know, I'm
talking, yeah, like 20- 14, 20 to 2016

709
00:24:26,806 --> 00:24:27,286
Gotcha.

710
00:24:27,306 --> 00:24:29,066
This is kinda like my, when
I was doing all this stuff.

711
00:24:29,566 --> 00:24:32,956
And then there was, yeah, like I said,
there was women who were doing escorting

712
00:24:32,966 --> 00:24:34,696
would often do porn as well in Australia.

713
00:24:34,696 --> 00:24:36,846
It's kinda, they kinda used it as
like a way of advertising themselves.

714
00:24:37,156 --> 00:24:37,526
Mm-hmm.

715
00:24:37,996 --> 00:24:42,866
Um, and then they mentioned that to
me, and I'm like, "Hmm, that sounds

716
00:24:42,866 --> 00:24:46,236
like something I'd like to, I'd like
to give it a, have a crack at, give it

717
00:24:46,236 --> 00:24:51,476
a try." And so I was able to, to I, I
gave like the most professional pitch

718
00:24:51,476 --> 00:24:54,856
to a director that he's ever re- he
ever received, where I like film…

719
00:24:54,916 --> 00:24:59,556
I had like a, a swingers couple,
like film, I filmed like some demo

720
00:24:59,556 --> 00:25:00,798
footage with them- Mm-hmm … with

721
00:25:00,798 --> 00:25:00,946
their permission.

722
00:25:00,946 --> 00:25:01,486
Mm-hmm.

723
00:25:02,306 --> 00:25:06,016
And I sent that to the director, and
he's like, "Damn, like no one's ever

724
00:25:06,016 --> 00:25:09,466
done this. This is actually really
like…" I was like, "Uh, proof of the

725
00:25:09,466 --> 00:25:12,696
pudding. I can like, I can keep it up on
a cam- on camera," you know what I mean?

726
00:25:13,196 --> 00:25:14,066
While people are watching.

727
00:25:14,956 --> 00:25:18,156
And he was like, he gave me a shot, and
so I started to shoot for the couple

728
00:25:18,156 --> 00:25:19,326
of companies that are in Australia.

729
00:25:20,036 --> 00:25:25,246
And through, after that, I managed
to get some contacts in England, and

730
00:25:25,256 --> 00:25:27,326
England has a much, much bigger scene-

731
00:25:27,536 --> 00:25:27,636
Mm-hmm

732
00:25:27,676 --> 00:25:30,156
…
of much, much more more
professional porn being shot.

733
00:25:30,656 --> 00:25:34,656
So I moved to England, I shot in
England, and then from there I got

734
00:25:34,656 --> 00:25:38,246
contacts in Europe, and I ended up
being flown out to like Hungary,

735
00:25:38,246 --> 00:25:40,506
Prague, and shooting a bunch there.

736
00:25:40,506 --> 00:25:43,166
Those are like the hub, they're like
the real big hotspots in all of Europe.

737
00:25:43,216 --> 00:25:46,536
That's where you get a big
chunk of the world's porn is

738
00:25:46,536 --> 00:25:49,356
shot in Hungary and Prague.

739
00:25:49,536 --> 00:25:51,086
Uh, Budape- Budapest and Prague.

740
00:25:51,356 --> 00:25:51,446
Um, so.

741
00:25:51,446 --> 00:25:52,066
I've, I've heard

742
00:25:52,076 --> 00:25:52,656
that actually

743
00:25:52,656 --> 00:25:53,066
before.

744
00:25:53,526 --> 00:25:53,746
Yeah.

745
00:25:54,406 --> 00:25:55,956
Massive- Yeah … massive amount of it.

746
00:25:55,966 --> 00:25:58,886
They, I think those two countries
have the most porn stars per

747
00:25:58,886 --> 00:26:00,646
capita of any country on earth.

748
00:26:01,056 --> 00:26:01,706
Oh, wow.

749
00:26:01,746 --> 00:26:02,366
Wow.

750
00:26:02,956 --> 00:26:03,216
Yeah.

751
00:26:03,216 --> 00:26:03,886
Yeah.

752
00:26:03,886 --> 00:26:04,126
Geez.

753
00:26:04,136 --> 00:26:04,416
Massive.

754
00:26:04,886 --> 00:26:05,836
Uh, we should move there.

755
00:26:06,616 --> 00:26:07,446
Just to make porn.

756
00:26:08,046 --> 00:26:09,166
Well, so, you know, it…

757
00:26:09,326 --> 00:26:13,666
and this is kind of the, uh, the zone
that I wanted to spend in for a little

758
00:26:13,666 --> 00:26:18,676
bit because w- when it comes… So
I'm, we're exhibitionists, right?

759
00:26:18,686 --> 00:26:18,706
Yeah.

760
00:26:19,076 --> 00:26:20,266
We like to be watched.

761
00:26:20,266 --> 00:26:24,226
When we, we go to the club, and
that's really where we found

762
00:26:24,656 --> 00:26:29,276
that we're exhibitionists because
frankly, man, I have social anxiety.

763
00:26:29,316 --> 00:26:30,596
I don't like talking to people.

764
00:26:30,596 --> 00:26:31,516
I don't like crowds.

765
00:26:31,516 --> 00:26:34,106
So I really don't wanna be at a club.

766
00:26:34,106 --> 00:26:37,046
Like, there's no plus side
for me to go to a club.

767
00:26:37,456 --> 00:26:42,386
But when I found those middle
beds in front of everybody, and

768
00:26:42,386 --> 00:26:46,546
we performed for the first time in
front of everybody, it was almost

769
00:26:46,546 --> 00:26:49,636
as if they all kinda disappeared.

770
00:26:49,706 --> 00:26:49,826
Mm-hmm.

771
00:26:49,916 --> 00:26:52,146
And I focused on her for a while.

772
00:26:52,656 --> 00:26:57,742
And Eventually I kind of saw
everybody around watching

773
00:26:57,752 --> 00:26:59,272
and it just got really hot.

774
00:26:59,622 --> 00:26:59,982
Yeah.

775
00:26:59,982 --> 00:27:01,992
And that's where I really
started realizing, okay,

776
00:27:01,992 --> 00:27:03,962
this is, this is incredible.

777
00:27:04,302 --> 00:27:04,442
Mm-hmm.

778
00:27:05,032 --> 00:27:09,292
I've been asked as a person who has
anxiety how I do that, you know, like

779
00:27:09,302 --> 00:27:12,152
how can you perform in front of others?

780
00:27:12,572 --> 00:27:16,292
And you know, frankly I just focus
on her most of the time, and then

781
00:27:16,292 --> 00:27:20,912
once I'm halfway through, uh, you
know, like I'm… I can look around

782
00:27:20,912 --> 00:27:22,142
and be like, "Oh, okay, cool.

783
00:27:22,142 --> 00:27:23,962
Like I'm not gonna lose
my hard-on anytime soon.

784
00:27:23,972 --> 00:27:24,582
I'm, I'm good.

785
00:27:24,602 --> 00:27:25,952
This is hot still," you know?

786
00:27:25,972 --> 00:27:26,262
Mm-hmm.

787
00:27:26,522 --> 00:27:33,272
Um, but as far as like doing
porn, I mean, going from you

788
00:27:33,272 --> 00:27:34,872
know, escorting p- that's…

789
00:27:34,902 --> 00:27:38,222
I mean, even though there's a crossover,
you're, you're performing in front of-

790
00:27:38,242 --> 00:27:38,792
Mm-hmm

791
00:27:38,802 --> 00:27:39,892
…
several people.

792
00:27:39,902 --> 00:27:42,032
W- was that something that
came naturally to you?

793
00:27:42,032 --> 00:27:42,282
You

794
00:27:42,782 --> 00:27:45,492
know what's funny with that
exhibitionist thing you mentioned,

795
00:27:45,732 --> 00:27:51,072
I didn't realize I had that in
me until my first swingers party.

796
00:27:51,572 --> 00:27:51,682
Oh.

797
00:27:51,692 --> 00:27:56,572
And it was like the first swingers pa-
Within like probably 20 minutes, I was

798
00:27:56,592 --> 00:28:00,652
like having sex on the balcony and then
walking around the party completely

799
00:28:00,652 --> 00:28:02,022
naked just saying hi to people.

800
00:28:02,542 --> 00:28:03,062
Nice.

801
00:28:03,082 --> 00:28:05,472
Like, and I was like, I would
never… Like, and I, I was a

802
00:28:05,472 --> 00:28:09,672
very, very like anxious young man,
like a very- Oh … nervous, shy-

803
00:28:09,882 --> 00:28:10,032
Uh-huh

804
00:28:10,072 --> 00:28:11,372
…
anxious young n- young man.

805
00:28:11,762 --> 00:28:14,642
And it was something about…
Like I had the same experience.

806
00:28:14,642 --> 00:28:19,062
It was like h- having everybody… I
liked the, uh, the, the idea of putting

807
00:28:19,062 --> 00:28:21,012
on a show For everyone and be- Mm-hmm

808
00:28:21,012 --> 00:28:24,802
and like being, I guess being the center
of attention in that, in that party, and

809
00:28:24,802 --> 00:28:29,032
then having everyone like… For me, the
thing that w- I thought was really hot was

810
00:28:29,042 --> 00:28:32,232
having other women watch me fuck a woman.

811
00:28:32,502 --> 00:28:33,042
Mm-hmm.

812
00:28:33,422 --> 00:28:35,372
And that was, like, incredibly arousing.

813
00:28:35,892 --> 00:28:36,042
Right.

814
00:28:36,042 --> 00:28:38,982
And I was like, "Oh I really like this."

815
00:28:39,032 --> 00:28:40,802
Like, I got… I get off on this.

816
00:28:41,062 --> 00:28:41,452
Yeah.

817
00:28:41,842 --> 00:28:45,792
And that's, I think, I don't
think you'll find a guy in porn

818
00:28:45,812 --> 00:28:48,992
that doesn't really have that in
them, because you kinda need that.

819
00:28:49,912 --> 00:28:52,182
You need to be- To be like- … a
bit of an exhibitionist-

820
00:28:52,192 --> 00:28:52,662
Mm-hmm

821
00:28:52,662 --> 00:28:53,582
…
to really get into it.

822
00:28:53,852 --> 00:28:54,262
Yeah.

823
00:28:54,752 --> 00:28:58,352
Yeah, you couldn't do it if you,
if there wasn't something about

824
00:28:58,352 --> 00:28:59,982
you that it didn't eroticize it.

825
00:29:00,252 --> 00:29:00,832
Yeah.

826
00:29:00,992 --> 00:29:01,812
That's very true.

827
00:29:02,002 --> 00:29:02,382
Yeah.

828
00:29:02,542 --> 00:29:02,582
You know?

829
00:29:02,712 --> 00:29:03,022
Yeah.

830
00:29:03,542 --> 00:29:03,902
I get that.

831
00:29:03,912 --> 00:29:07,672
But it's also, uh, it was, it like
w- weirdly it was, it's like a weird

832
00:29:07,682 --> 00:29:11,202
roundabout way, but it was, like,
super, really good for my confidence.

833
00:29:11,202 --> 00:29:11,862
Like all of this.

834
00:29:11,872 --> 00:29:12,162
Yeah.

835
00:29:12,992 --> 00:29:13,302
Yeah.

836
00:29:14,012 --> 00:29:14,232
I

837
00:29:14,232 --> 00:29:15,012
bet.

838
00:29:15,012 --> 00:29:16,662
It actually made me, like,
you know, way more confident.

839
00:29:16,672 --> 00:29:16,732
Yeah.

840
00:29:16,842 --> 00:29:17,962
Way less anxious.

841
00:29:18,062 --> 00:29:20,782
It's like, n- I mean, after having
done porn and that now, it's,

842
00:29:20,782 --> 00:29:22,212
like, really hard to embarrass me.

843
00:29:22,662 --> 00:29:22,812
Like-

844
00:29:22,812 --> 00:29:23,162
Yeah.

845
00:29:23,202 --> 00:29:23,322
I-

846
00:29:23,382 --> 00:29:25,422
I, yeah, I… See, I understand that.

847
00:29:25,432 --> 00:29:28,902
Well, so like I, I haven't done
professional porn or anything like

848
00:29:28,902 --> 00:29:32,262
that, but just doing, you know,
performing in front of people at

849
00:29:32,262 --> 00:29:36,902
different parties, and clubs, and
things like that, I, you know, I never

850
00:29:37,322 --> 00:29:39,202
figured that we put on a good show.

851
00:29:39,232 --> 00:29:42,492
I always did it from a this
is a hot thing standpoint.

852
00:29:42,502 --> 00:29:42,522
Yeah.

853
00:29:42,532 --> 00:29:43,792
Like, people are watching us.

854
00:29:44,152 --> 00:29:44,302
Mm.

855
00:29:44,372 --> 00:29:49,062
Uh, and then after a while, people,
like, people we thought were hot were

856
00:29:49,062 --> 00:29:53,932
coming up to us going, "Y'all are
fucking hot. That was hot." And of course

857
00:29:53,932 --> 00:29:58,122
that, like, it, you know, explodes the
ego a bit and it's like- Mm … okay,

858
00:29:58,122 --> 00:29:59,642
let's, let's fucking do it again.

859
00:29:59,822 --> 00:30:00,342
You know what I mean?

860
00:30:00,452 --> 00:30:00,482
Right.

861
00:30:00,482 --> 00:30:00,752
Right.

862
00:30:00,752 --> 00:30:03,872
And it becomes more and more
where it's like, okay, this

863
00:30:03,882 --> 00:30:05,432
is kind of feeding it a bit.

864
00:30:05,482 --> 00:30:07,302
Like this is- I love it … this is nice.

865
00:30:07,382 --> 00:30:08,702
But I'm not an anxious person.

866
00:30:08,712 --> 00:30:08,962
Like-

867
00:30:09,092 --> 00:30:09,312
No, she's-

868
00:30:09,322 --> 00:30:13,762
I'm, I'm, now I'm 48, I'm
comfortable in my body.

869
00:30:13,772 --> 00:30:14,902
Like, it is what it is.

870
00:30:15,002 --> 00:30:19,062
But I, you know, one of my
dreams is to be a porn star.

871
00:30:19,682 --> 00:30:22,842
So before I die- Yeah … I'm
gonna be a porn star.

872
00:30:23,392 --> 00:30:23,662
Yeah.

873
00:30:23,662 --> 00:30:25,542
She's, uh- Well- She's made it her goal.

874
00:30:26,192 --> 00:30:28,712
Well, technically Only, OnlyFans
has made that accessible to

875
00:30:28,712 --> 00:30:29,802
everybody, so it's not- Yeah.

876
00:30:29,812 --> 00:30:33,762
This is true … it's not, it's not
exactly, uh… Yeah, pr- back when I got

877
00:30:33,762 --> 00:30:35,402
into it, it was, like, really hard to-

878
00:30:35,402 --> 00:30:35,802
Yeah

879
00:30:35,802 --> 00:30:37,522
…
to sort of crack the scene.

880
00:30:37,662 --> 00:30:38,752
Especially as a guy.

881
00:30:38,762 --> 00:30:40,692
Like, no one wants to
talk to you as a guy.

882
00:30:41,012 --> 00:30:41,262
Yeah.

883
00:30:42,022 --> 00:30:42,082
Like, get

884
00:30:42,092 --> 00:30:42,392
out of here.

885
00:30:42,402 --> 00:30:43,232
Yeah, that has to be hard.

886
00:30:43,542 --> 00:30:43,862
Yeah.

887
00:30:43,862 --> 00:30:46,772
So you have to like l- you kinda
have to use, utilize, like,

888
00:30:46,772 --> 00:30:48,352
your reputation with the women-

889
00:30:48,572 --> 00:30:49,082
Mm-hmm

890
00:30:49,272 --> 00:30:51,232
…
to be like, for them to
recommend you to other people.

891
00:30:51,232 --> 00:30:54,752
That was one of my, one of my big gr-
big breaks when I got to the United,

892
00:30:54,782 --> 00:31:00,012
United States, I started shooting there-
was I was with an agency and the to be

893
00:31:00,012 --> 00:31:04,272
honest, the first agency I worked with,
like, they were absolutely useless.

894
00:31:04,272 --> 00:31:07,372
Like the guy- Uh-huh … the, the,
my manager just did coke all the time

895
00:31:07,372 --> 00:31:08,442
and, like, never booked me anything.

896
00:31:08,792 --> 00:31:09,762
So he was horrible.

897
00:31:09,862 --> 00:31:13,792
But me and another guy were both on,
in the same agency, and this other

898
00:31:13,792 --> 00:31:18,162
guy, he got pink eye and he had to
cancel the shot, uh, his scene And so

899
00:31:18,162 --> 00:31:21,432
I got a call like last minute, "Hey,
do you wanna come shoot for kink.com?"

900
00:31:22,252 --> 00:31:25,712
And you know, kink.com's a pretty, is
like the world's biggest BDSM site.

901
00:31:25,892 --> 00:31:27,112
They're like- Okay … huge.

902
00:31:27,122 --> 00:31:27,142
Yeah.

903
00:31:27,162 --> 00:31:28,272
Great reputation.

904
00:31:28,832 --> 00:31:30,302
A great reputation in
the industry obviously.

905
00:31:30,972 --> 00:31:33,257
And I got there, I was so excited.

906
00:31:33,257 --> 00:31:36,312
I'm like, "Yes, this is my chance,
this is my shot." I knocked it out the

907
00:31:36,312 --> 00:31:41,092
park, had a great day, and the girl I
worked with really had a great time.

908
00:31:41,602 --> 00:31:44,952
And she, and then it was the direct-
the director really liked me and

909
00:31:44,952 --> 00:31:47,782
he's like, "Yo, are you free, are you
free like Thursday next week?" I'm

910
00:31:47,782 --> 00:31:50,442
like yes sir. I absolutely am." Yeah.

911
00:31:50,862 --> 00:31:53,792
And he booked me in again, and I
w- ended up working with a girl

912
00:31:54,452 --> 00:31:58,742
who worked for one of the biggest
agencies is Spiegel's Girls.

913
00:31:58,742 --> 00:32:02,042
He, he tends to run like, all
the girls on his roster tend to

914
00:32:02,042 --> 00:32:03,352
win award- win all the awards.

915
00:32:03,362 --> 00:32:05,082
Like he's- Okay … he's
renowned for having like the

916
00:32:05,082 --> 00:32:07,152
best talent in the industry.

917
00:32:07,462 --> 00:32:07,782
Mm-hmm.

918
00:32:07,932 --> 00:32:10,182
And so I ended up working for,
with a Spiegler girl, Penny

919
00:32:10,182 --> 00:32:15,232
Pax, and she loved it, and she
recommended me to her, her agent.

920
00:32:15,242 --> 00:32:18,232
She went to Spiegler and like,
"This guy's good, our girls should,

921
00:32:18,282 --> 00:32:19,632
can work with him," basically.

922
00:32:20,312 --> 00:32:24,112
And that, bang, like then I ha-
and overnight like I had a career.

923
00:32:24,292 --> 00:32:25,512
Like prior to that I was like-

924
00:32:25,512 --> 00:32:26,372
That was, that's amazing

925
00:32:26,612 --> 00:32:26,862
…
struggling.

926
00:32:26,862 --> 00:32:27,092
Wow.

927
00:32:27,102 --> 00:32:27,332
You know?

928
00:32:27,412 --> 00:32:30,672
Like it sort of, so it all re- it,
for a guy it very much depends upon

929
00:32:30,672 --> 00:32:34,542
like that, it's a bit cliche but
it's like that lucky break, I guess.

930
00:32:34,542 --> 00:32:34,842
Yeah.

931
00:32:34,842 --> 00:32:35,132
Yeah.

932
00:32:35,132 --> 00:32:35,682
Yeah.

933
00:32:35,692 --> 00:32:38,642
Opens the door for a lot
more, a lot more work.

934
00:32:39,612 --> 00:32:39,632
Yeah.

935
00:32:39,642 --> 00:32:43,392
You just have to be available and, and
hope that it crosses your path, huh?

936
00:32:43,852 --> 00:32:44,542
Yeah, yeah.

937
00:32:44,542 --> 00:32:46,912
You had to be, like being, I, I
always took a really professional

938
00:32:46,952 --> 00:32:49,992
approach to it, where I- Okay
… yeah, I treated it like a job.

939
00:32:50,002 --> 00:32:51,842
You know, like you're there
like the director has a

940
00:32:51,852 --> 00:32:53,112
problem he's trying to solve.

941
00:32:53,112 --> 00:32:55,872
The problem he has is that he needs
a dude to keep his dick hard and

942
00:32:56,352 --> 00:32:58,132
not- Yeah … not upset the model.

943
00:32:58,642 --> 00:33:00,862
Like not piss, not creep
her out or piss her off.

944
00:33:01,222 --> 00:33:05,542
Show up on time, do his paperwork,
not create drama pay attention,

945
00:33:05,552 --> 00:33:08,242
listen and work with him, get
the angles and shots he wants.

946
00:33:08,612 --> 00:33:08,712
Mm-hmm.

947
00:33:08,712 --> 00:33:11,912
And I, once I had that like sort of
mentality in my head I'm like, "Cool,

948
00:33:11,922 --> 00:33:14,822
this is what he needs, so I'll just,
I'll just give him what he needs."

949
00:33:14,912 --> 00:33:15,232
Yeah.

950
00:33:15,232 --> 00:33:15,362
And

951
00:33:15,362 --> 00:33:17,502
like- 'Cause you, we all make money.

952
00:33:17,622 --> 00:33:17,882
Yeah.

953
00:33:17,882 --> 00:33:18,000
Let's

954
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:18,352
do it right.

955
00:33:18,352 --> 00:33:18,682
Yeah.

956
00:33:18,772 --> 00:33:23,062
Yeah, it's, it's, it wasn't about
like me getting my rocks off so much.

957
00:33:23,062 --> 00:33:23,192
It was a

958
00:33:23,192 --> 00:33:23,522
job.

959
00:33:23,692 --> 00:33:23,882
Right.

960
00:33:23,892 --> 00:33:23,912
Yeah.

961
00:33:23,912 --> 00:33:24,562
It was a job.

962
00:33:24,572 --> 00:33:24,822
Mm-hmm.

963
00:33:24,832 --> 00:33:27,382
And then I had a few directors who
really liked that approach, and they

964
00:33:27,382 --> 00:33:28,522
just kept booking me again and again.

965
00:33:29,242 --> 00:33:29,402
So.

966
00:33:29,472 --> 00:33:29,672
That's

967
00:33:29,672 --> 00:33:29,872
good.

968
00:33:29,872 --> 00:33:29,982
Yeah.

969
00:33:30,072 --> 00:33:35,682
Now did the, does the casting
couch exist in this arena?

970
00:33:35,732 --> 00:33:37,322
Like is it- Not really … is
that just a myth?

971
00:33:38,102 --> 00:33:42,222
No it, it, like there's a couple
of, there's a couple of websites

972
00:33:42,252 --> 00:33:43,882
which do a fake casting couch.

973
00:33:44,192 --> 00:33:44,572
Right.

974
00:33:44,872 --> 00:33:45,302
Right.

975
00:33:45,732 --> 00:33:49,122
But it's u- it's alway- like, and
they'll usually, they'll u- what

976
00:33:49,122 --> 00:33:53,566
they'll usually do is they will
They will book a girl's first scene.

977
00:33:53,716 --> 00:33:56,406
So like a girl will decide, "Hey,
I wanna get into the industry."

978
00:33:56,416 --> 00:33:57,036
Uh-huh.

979
00:33:57,036 --> 00:33:58,856
And she'll, she'll talk to a manager-

980
00:33:59,086 --> 00:33:59,346
Uh-huh

981
00:33:59,356 --> 00:34:02,956
…
or an agent, and then he'll be booking
her first scenes, and they usually…

982
00:34:02,996 --> 00:34:09,876
And these guys who run like the casting
couch type websites, they're like, "Hey,

983
00:34:09,926 --> 00:34:14,486
we wanna have c- first dibs on any new
models because it's kinda like our niche.

984
00:34:14,896 --> 00:34:18,766
That's the fantasy we're selling, is that
we, like these girls are unknown." And

985
00:34:18,766 --> 00:34:22,856
so they cast them first, they shoot them
first, and then they get into other stuff.

986
00:34:22,926 --> 00:34:25,286
So it's kinda like, that's
kinda how that works.

987
00:34:25,416 --> 00:34:25,739
Um- There you

988
00:34:25,739 --> 00:34:25,786
go.

989
00:34:25,786 --> 00:34:26,126
Yeah.

990
00:34:26,266 --> 00:34:28,386
So it's still a controlled environment.

991
00:34:28,746 --> 00:34:30,026
Yeah, still a controlled environment.

992
00:34:30,026 --> 00:34:30,116
That's pretty

993
00:34:30,116 --> 00:34:30,236
smart.

994
00:34:30,506 --> 00:34:30,796
Yeah.

995
00:34:30,796 --> 00:34:31,846
It's very, it's, it's clever.

996
00:34:32,076 --> 00:34:32,296
Um-

997
00:34:32,306 --> 00:34:32,656
Yeah.

998
00:34:32,796 --> 00:34:37,716
One of the, one of the big things
that like kink.com did from day one-

999
00:34:37,726 --> 00:34:42,006
Uh-huh … that all the other websites
have kind of adopted now is, uh,

1000
00:34:42,036 --> 00:34:45,376
like the consent, they do a consent
checklist and they do a consent interview

1001
00:34:45,376 --> 00:34:47,276
before and after the scene is shot.

1002
00:34:47,976 --> 00:34:48,396
So-

1003
00:34:48,836 --> 00:34:48,976
Oh, good

1004
00:34:48,986 --> 00:34:51,956
…
you'll have like a, you'll basically
have like a form you'll fill out, both

1005
00:34:52,006 --> 00:34:53,506
the male and female model will fill out.

1006
00:34:53,906 --> 00:34:53,976
Uh-huh.

1007
00:34:54,096 --> 00:34:56,646
And it's like, "Here, these are all
my, uh, things I don't want you to

1008
00:34:56,646 --> 00:34:59,266
do or what my boundaries, my no-gos."

1009
00:34:59,266 --> 00:34:59,686
Mm-hmm.

1010
00:34:59,686 --> 00:35:01,616
"
And then these are the
things I really like." Right?

1011
00:35:02,206 --> 00:35:04,906
And you'll both do that, and
you'll both you'll, you'll swap

1012
00:35:04,946 --> 00:35:06,116
paperwork and be like, "Hmm."

1013
00:35:06,326 --> 00:35:08,716
You'll read, you'll go through
everyone, your list of everything.

1014
00:35:08,726 --> 00:35:08,746
Yeah.

1015
00:35:09,356 --> 00:35:13,076
And then before the scene starts,
they'll sit down and do an interview

1016
00:35:13,086 --> 00:35:16,596
with the woman like, "Hey, here of
your own free will what are you excited

1017
00:35:16,596 --> 00:35:19,966
about today? Have you done this sort
of thing before?" With kink.com it

1018
00:35:19,966 --> 00:35:21,816
was more it was more really specific.

1019
00:35:21,816 --> 00:35:23,916
It was like, "What things do
you wanna explore?" Mm-hmm.

1020
00:35:24,146 --> 00:35:25,696
Like, "Oh, I wanna try BDSM.

1021
00:35:25,696 --> 00:35:27,766
I wanna try, I wanna try rope bondage.

1022
00:35:27,766 --> 00:35:28,806
I wanna try flogging.

1023
00:35:28,816 --> 00:35:31,566
I wanna try this thing," that
they've never done before.

1024
00:35:31,646 --> 00:35:34,586
So they would often talk about
why they wanted to shoot for

1025
00:35:34,586 --> 00:35:35,766
kink.com in the first place.

1026
00:35:36,436 --> 00:35:40,306
And then at the end of the interview,
like, 'cause usually with kink.com

1027
00:35:40,306 --> 00:35:43,926
the scenario is like some kind
of elaborate blackmail scenario.

1028
00:35:44,406 --> 00:35:45,526
Oh, okay.

1029
00:35:45,626 --> 00:35:50,126
Where, yeah, like the, where me,
the, the male character is like

1030
00:35:50,186 --> 00:35:54,476
taking advantage of her vulnerable
situation, and she end- Gotcha … like

1031
00:35:54,496 --> 00:35:57,906
I'm, or I'm blackmailing her, and
then she ends up tied up magically.

1032
00:35:58,466 --> 00:36:00,446
And Magically.

1033
00:36:00,836 --> 00:36:01,476
Magically, yeah.

1034
00:36:01,606 --> 00:36:02,776
Like you must, I mean

1035
00:36:02,776 --> 00:36:05,096
We do a, we d- we do a, they hard cut.

1036
00:36:05,186 --> 00:36:06,246
They do a hard cut.

1037
00:36:06,286 --> 00:36:06,776
So she's like-

1038
00:36:06,776 --> 00:36:07,216
Okay

1039
00:36:07,396 --> 00:36:11,016
…
she's like just standing there
dressed and then hard cut, and

1040
00:36:11,016 --> 00:36:12,796
she's like suspended from the roof.

1041
00:36:12,796 --> 00:36:14,866
Like it's, it's pretty funny.

1042
00:36:15,366 --> 00:36:18,626
But- I mean- … at the end of all
that, what they'll do is they'll sit,

1043
00:36:18,646 --> 00:36:22,466
they'll sit the girl down and they'll
do a consent interview after the shoot

1044
00:36:22,466 --> 00:36:24,216
and be like, "Hey, how was your day?"

1045
00:36:24,256 --> 00:36:28,126
And they're like, they're always just
like smiling from ear to ear like,

1046
00:36:28,196 --> 00:36:30,256
"I had a, a fantastic day." That's

1047
00:36:30,256 --> 00:36:30,296
awesome.

1048
00:36:30,706 --> 00:36:33,996
And then, you know, "What did you,
what did you do that was new? What

1049
00:36:34,006 --> 00:36:36,746
did you, what do you want, what would
you like to do more of? Uh, would,

1050
00:36:36,886 --> 00:36:40,006
would you like to shoot for Kink
again?" And it's always a yes, right?

1051
00:36:40,286 --> 00:36:43,766
'Cause we, they do, they, they're a
great example of like how porn should

1052
00:36:43,776 --> 00:36:47,826
be shot because it's like consent
before, after, checking everything,

1053
00:36:47,896 --> 00:36:49,476
crossing all the Ts, dotting all the Is.

1054
00:36:49,546 --> 00:36:49,841
That's good.

1055
00:36:49,841 --> 00:36:52,246
Like they, they're always
checking in with the model.

1056
00:36:52,466 --> 00:36:56,786
We've got safe words so they don't have
to break character if they wanna stop

1057
00:36:56,836 --> 00:36:58,636
something or slow it down, you know?

1058
00:36:59,226 --> 00:37:01,406
So there's lots of feedback
going on all the time.

1059
00:37:01,416 --> 00:37:01,446
Okay.

1060
00:37:02,226 --> 00:37:06,366
And you've got like the professional
rigger, the guy who does all the

1061
00:37:06,366 --> 00:37:10,366
bondage on set- Uh-huh … like doing
everything properly, and he's got like

1062
00:37:10,366 --> 00:37:13,816
a pair of shears to cut rope if they
need to, like to get her out of a,

1063
00:37:13,956 --> 00:37:15,416
a bondage situation really quickly.

1064
00:37:15,876 --> 00:37:18,466
So there's loads of like
safety precautions on set.

1065
00:37:18,766 --> 00:37:22,626
And, and the good thing is that,
that kind of model of like consent

1066
00:37:22,826 --> 00:37:26,116
checklist has been copied by basically
every company in the industry.

1067
00:37:26,116 --> 00:37:28,216
Or maybe not everyone, but most
of them have been copying that.

1068
00:37:28,226 --> 00:37:28,236
Oh.

1069
00:37:28,726 --> 00:37:31,146
So it's like it's kinda become
the standard these days- Wow

1070
00:37:31,816 --> 00:37:32,796
for how porn is shot.

1071
00:37:33,416 --> 00:37:34,086
That's good.

1072
00:37:34,166 --> 00:37:35,006
And it's safe.

1073
00:37:35,016 --> 00:37:37,826
I, I mean that's- That's safe … you
know, that's really the big thing.

1074
00:37:38,586 --> 00:37:38,906
Yeah.

1075
00:37:38,996 --> 00:37:42,696
It's not… it's really… Like, there's
been, there's been obviously a, a bu-

1076
00:37:42,746 --> 00:37:45,476
it's been obviously been some instances
of like people crossing boundaries

1077
00:37:45,476 --> 00:37:47,026
and stuff, but that's kinda what- Yeah

1078
00:37:47,156 --> 00:37:50,346
that's kinda what's led to
this actually, was like-

1079
00:37:50,356 --> 00:37:50,776
Wow

1080
00:37:51,066 --> 00:37:53,656
…
during the, yeah, 2020s.

1081
00:37:53,746 --> 00:37:54,086
Uh-huh.

1082
00:37:54,196 --> 00:37:57,506
Probably, yeah, probably like,
probably in 2018, '19, 2020, there

1083
00:37:57,506 --> 00:38:02,386
was a few instances of like producers
like crossing a line or like a, or a-

1084
00:38:02,396 --> 00:38:02,416
Mm

1085
00:38:03,006 --> 00:38:05,126
…
male performer being
accused of crossing a line.

1086
00:38:05,556 --> 00:38:05,926
Mm-hmm.

1087
00:38:05,976 --> 00:38:08,236
And so now everyone's
just like, "Look, let's…

1088
00:38:08,436 --> 00:38:11,466
We wanna kinda s- stop this
from happening." Mm-hmm.

1089
00:38:11,466 --> 00:38:14,536
And we, so we they often film a
lot of stuff behind the scenes too.

1090
00:38:14,946 --> 00:38:18,496
So like there's just so many
more kind of precautions-

1091
00:38:18,776 --> 00:38:19,061
Checks and balances-

1092
00:38:19,061 --> 00:38:19,176
…
in the

1093
00:38:19,176 --> 00:38:20,346
way … kinda thing.

1094
00:38:20,356 --> 00:38:20,416
Mm-hmm.

1095
00:38:20,426 --> 00:38:20,986
Yeah.

1096
00:38:20,986 --> 00:38:24,166
Checks and balances and making sure
everyone's cool and comfortable and

1097
00:38:24,166 --> 00:38:27,556
like, yeah, boundaries aren't being
crossed and people aren't doing

1098
00:38:27,586 --> 00:38:28,716
things they're not consenting to.

1099
00:38:28,766 --> 00:38:32,906
So it's like surprisingly more…
It's a lot… Like, I've just

1100
00:38:32,906 --> 00:38:34,736
made porn sound very unsexy.

1101
00:38:34,746 --> 00:38:35,846
Like there's a lot more-

1102
00:38:36,346 --> 00:38:36,936
Nah.

1103
00:38:36,936 --> 00:38:37,361
It's,

1104
00:38:37,361 --> 00:38:40,486
it's a lot more like sanitized than people

1105
00:38:40,986 --> 00:38:41,026
think.

1106
00:38:41,026 --> 00:38:41,156
I mean, it's a business.

1107
00:38:41,156 --> 00:38:44,376
Well, and you know, that's something that
we talk about a lot on the show is the

1108
00:38:44,376 --> 00:38:47,166
differences between reality and fantasy.

1109
00:38:47,166 --> 00:38:47,476
Yeah.

1110
00:38:47,476 --> 00:38:51,336
And a lot of new people that
come into the swinging lifestyle,

1111
00:38:51,616 --> 00:38:57,946
they've watched porn- Yeah … that
is swinger, swinger niche porn.

1112
00:38:58,336 --> 00:39:02,596
And they think that it goes a certain
way because they watched this and

1113
00:39:02,596 --> 00:39:05,886
it… This was a hot wife porn,
or they watched this cuckold porn.

1114
00:39:05,886 --> 00:39:06,196
Mm-hmm.

1115
00:39:06,196 --> 00:39:09,706
And they think that that's the way it's
gonna be when they come in as swingers.

1116
00:39:09,736 --> 00:39:10,076
Yeah.

1117
00:39:10,146 --> 00:39:14,906
And they normally, if they have that
idea, of course, get shut down pretty

1118
00:39:14,986 --> 00:39:17,306
quick or there's some sort of issue.

1119
00:39:17,766 --> 00:39:20,596
But that's the big thing,
is the difference between

1120
00:39:20,596 --> 00:39:22,246
fantasy and reality, right?

1121
00:39:22,746 --> 00:39:26,886
Yeah, it's, as like a male performer,
you kinda have, before you get into

1122
00:39:26,886 --> 00:39:29,256
porn, you kinda have this impression
of like, "Oh, this is, this is like

1123
00:39:29,256 --> 00:39:32,696
the world's coolest job, and it's,
it's gonna be just all me living out

1124
00:39:32,696 --> 00:39:34,076
all my fantasies again and again."

1125
00:39:35,066 --> 00:39:38,126
And it's-- And the funny thing is,
like, I actually didn't I didn't really

1126
00:39:38,126 --> 00:39:42,436
have that many elaborate super kinky
fantasies before I got into porn.

1127
00:39:42,436 --> 00:39:44,926
I was just like, "I just like
threesomes." Like, I just like, I

1128
00:39:44,926 --> 00:39:46,276
just like having two women on my dick.

1129
00:39:46,326 --> 00:39:47,866
Like, that's kind of, that
was kind of it for me.

1130
00:39:48,266 --> 00:39:48,296
Okay.

1131
00:39:48,356 --> 00:39:52,646
And then like, I ended up doing like,
I just get c- I just get cast in so

1132
00:39:52,646 --> 00:39:54,186
many different things, like- Yeah

1133
00:39:54,196 --> 00:39:57,096
shooting for kink and sh- and
doing like, doing the stepdad

1134
00:39:57,136 --> 00:39:59,346
thing, and then doing like, yeah.

1135
00:39:59,346 --> 00:40:03,726
Like, I ended up living out other
people's fantasies that weren't even mine.

1136
00:40:04,246 --> 00:40:04,266
See?

1137
00:40:04,366 --> 00:40:06,486
Um, just, just 'cause that's the job.

1138
00:40:06,946 --> 00:40:11,386
And it was sort of like… But it's not,
it's not-- People have this impression of

1139
00:40:11,386 --> 00:40:16,136
the, of the porn scene being like- Like,
like a big party with l- with like drugs

1140
00:40:16,136 --> 00:40:18,726
and stuff on set and booze- Boogie nights

1141
00:40:19,256 --> 00:40:20,066
and it's like none of that.

1142
00:40:20,066 --> 00:40:20,266
None of that.

1143
00:40:20,266 --> 00:40:20,496
Yeah.

1144
00:40:20,506 --> 00:40:22,796
Like there's no booze on
set, there's no drugs on set.

1145
00:40:23,606 --> 00:40:26,096
Like, don- don't get me
wrong, like people party.

1146
00:40:26,096 --> 00:40:27,556
It's LA, people party like- Sure

1147
00:40:27,556 --> 00:40:28,286
Yeah, of course

1148
00:40:28,296 --> 00:40:29,246
…
outside of that.

1149
00:40:29,956 --> 00:40:34,081
But on set everyone's like sober,
and it's just like… And I w-

1150
00:40:34,081 --> 00:40:37,616
actually, there's a lot of people who
are in AA who are in porn as well.

1151
00:40:37,896 --> 00:40:38,506
Oh, wow.

1152
00:40:38,936 --> 00:40:41,366
So there's a lot of really s-
totally sober people in porn.

1153
00:40:41,726 --> 00:40:41,936
That's

1154
00:40:41,936 --> 00:40:42,141
amazing.

1155
00:40:42,141 --> 00:40:43,026
That's pretty cool.

1156
00:40:43,026 --> 00:40:43,206
Yeah.

1157
00:40:43,206 --> 00:40:43,336
Yeah.

1158
00:40:43,336 --> 00:40:46,746
Now with all the different I guess
the different types and experiences

1159
00:40:46,746 --> 00:40:50,876
that you had doing porn, did any of
that like unlock new kinks for you?

1160
00:40:50,876 --> 00:40:54,486
Like did y- you kinda got to taste
everything and, and figure, "Hey, you

1161
00:40:54,486 --> 00:40:55,986
know, maybe this might be kinda cool."

1162
00:40:55,996 --> 00:40:56,276
Yeah.

1163
00:40:56,376 --> 00:41:01,056
I'd kind of, I'd already dabbled
with rope bondage bef- like before

1164
00:41:01,056 --> 00:41:02,086
even getting into escorting.

1165
00:41:02,086 --> 00:41:04,376
I w- I'd already done that with
like a few girlfriends, and I-

1166
00:41:04,376 --> 00:41:05,866
Okay … I q- I really enjoyed that.

1167
00:41:06,366 --> 00:41:10,466
But the thing I really I l- I
learned how to do was with kink.com,

1168
00:41:10,466 --> 00:41:14,396
I got taught how to use like
floggers, and I was really- Yeah

1169
00:41:14,396 --> 00:41:16,206
I really, really enjoyed it
and I was really good at it.

1170
00:41:17,006 --> 00:41:20,546
So that was, I was… It's c-
it's not even like, it's like

1171
00:41:20,556 --> 00:41:24,996
you, like you said before how you
enjoy watching Pris get pleased.

1172
00:41:25,276 --> 00:41:25,636
Right.

1173
00:41:25,636 --> 00:41:28,386
Like you get pleasure from
seeing her in pleasure, right?

1174
00:41:28,886 --> 00:41:31,976
It was kind of when, when it came
to flogging, it was kinda like that.

1175
00:41:32,456 --> 00:41:32,716
Mm.

1176
00:41:32,726 --> 00:41:38,346
Like it was arousing and erotic to see the
woman I was working with like get turned

1177
00:41:38,376 --> 00:41:42,656
on from like a strike with like a f- with
like a whip or a paddle or a flogger.

1178
00:41:43,186 --> 00:41:43,496
Yeah.

1179
00:41:43,726 --> 00:41:46,366
That was a r- that, and it,
that was the arousing thing.

1180
00:41:46,366 --> 00:41:48,496
It wasn't a, it wasn't so
much a masochistic thing

1181
00:41:48,496 --> 00:41:50,606
of like, "I'm aroused- Yeah

1182
00:41:50,806 --> 00:41:52,436
by l- delivering the pain." It was-

1183
00:41:52,456 --> 00:41:52,666
Mm-hmm

1184
00:41:53,076 --> 00:41:54,436
…
I don't know what the correct
word for that then is.

1185
00:41:54,436 --> 00:41:56,636
The- Is like I'm aroused
by seeing her in pleasure.

1186
00:41:57,036 --> 00:41:59,486
Like a pleasure dom- Is the
word … I think is what they call it.

1187
00:41:59,906 --> 00:42:00,276
Yeah, I guess.

1188
00:42:00,276 --> 00:42:00,334
Yeah.

1189
00:42:00,334 --> 00:42:00,391
Yeah.

1190
00:42:00,391 --> 00:42:01,256
I guess that you would,
that's what you would call it.

1191
00:42:01,456 --> 00:42:01,806
Yeah.

1192
00:42:02,056 --> 00:42:04,676
So that, that was something that
I learned from my time in the

1193
00:42:04,706 --> 00:42:07,106
industry that I didn't, I wouldn't, I
probably wouldn't have even explored

1194
00:42:07,186 --> 00:42:08,606
if I hadn't done that, you know?

1195
00:42:09,606 --> 00:42:10,896
Well, I'm sorry, go

1196
00:42:10,896 --> 00:42:11,076
ahead.

1197
00:42:11,216 --> 00:42:11,296
No, go ahead.

1198
00:42:11,306 --> 00:42:15,726
I was gonna ask, so then from there
you, you're in your, in the height of

1199
00:42:15,726 --> 00:42:19,066
it all, and then you decide to retire.

1200
00:42:19,266 --> 00:42:19,806
Retire.

1201
00:42:19,806 --> 00:42:20,056
Yeah.

1202
00:42:20,406 --> 00:42:20,426
Yeah.

1203
00:42:20,436 --> 00:42:20,616
No, you can guess why.

1204
00:42:20,686 --> 00:42:24,836
So I was gonna ask about that
because so I, Stirling I love pizza.

1205
00:42:25,186 --> 00:42:27,916
Like it was my first word as a kid.

1206
00:42:28,196 --> 00:42:30,826
Uh, it was the first reason
why I took steps as a baby.

1207
00:42:30,826 --> 00:42:32,996
They held up a slice of
pizza, and I walked to it.

1208
00:42:33,366 --> 00:42:35,546
I could eat pizza every
single day of my life, man.

1209
00:42:35,826 --> 00:42:40,036
And I was always told, "Don't ever work
at a pizza place because then you're

1210
00:42:40,036 --> 00:42:42,856
gonna walk- Right … out of there, and
you're never gonna like pizza anymore."

1211
00:42:43,126 --> 00:42:43,306
Yeah.

1212
00:42:43,306 --> 00:42:45,916
So I'm kinda curious,
do you still like pizza?

1213
00:42:46,916 --> 00:42:47,516
You know what?

1214
00:42:47,796 --> 00:42:49,486
It it's a very similar thing to that.

1215
00:42:49,516 --> 00:42:52,686
It kind of took a lot of the fun
out of sex, I'm not gonna lie.

1216
00:42:53,076 --> 00:42:53,246
Mm, mm-hmm.

1217
00:42:53,276 --> 00:43:00,646
Um, it's just because Because so much of
so much of the porn that you shoot ha-

1218
00:43:00,676 --> 00:43:03,976
you're kind of taking direction from a
director or y- from the cameraman, right?

1219
00:43:03,976 --> 00:43:05,526
You're ta- you're getting
them the shots they want.

1220
00:43:05,726 --> 00:43:08,026
There's a lot of porn which
is shot just for the camera,

1221
00:43:08,056 --> 00:43:09,056
just for the viewer's pleasure.

1222
00:43:09,066 --> 00:43:09,286
Mm-hmm.

1223
00:43:09,296 --> 00:43:11,726
And it's not shot for
your physical pleasure.

1224
00:43:12,156 --> 00:43:12,486
Uh-huh.

1225
00:43:12,786 --> 00:43:15,526
So like you're doing things, you're
turning, you're turning at angles,

1226
00:43:15,526 --> 00:43:18,646
you're opening up to the camera so
you can, so they can get a shot, and

1227
00:43:18,646 --> 00:43:19,646
it doesn't really feel that good.

1228
00:43:20,276 --> 00:43:23,136
So it became a lot more like mechanical.

1229
00:43:23,716 --> 00:43:24,766
Mm. Yeah.

1230
00:43:24,766 --> 00:43:29,296
Um, and because you're doing it like- Like
I dated, when I was in the industry I w- I

1231
00:43:29,296 --> 00:43:31,446
dated a few girls in the industry as well.

1232
00:43:32,016 --> 00:43:34,736
Which is interesting because like
it's more just for the companionship-

1233
00:43:34,746 --> 00:43:37,956
Uh-huh … when you get home than actually
the sex part 'cause you're already

1234
00:43:37,956 --> 00:43:41,236
having that, like need, like appeased-

1235
00:43:41,736 --> 00:43:42,056
Right

1236
00:43:42,066 --> 00:43:42,706
ad nauseam Yeah.

1237
00:43:42,706 --> 00:43:45,166
From, from your day-to-day life.

1238
00:43:45,756 --> 00:43:49,376
But what for me it le- not, and this
doesn't happen, this doesn't really

1239
00:43:49,376 --> 00:43:50,926
happen for most guys, I'll be honest.

1240
00:43:51,136 --> 00:43:51,156
Mm-hmm.

1241
00:43:51,156 --> 00:43:54,106
I haven't really seen that many guys
have this kinda same thing as me.

1242
00:43:54,466 --> 00:43:56,276
But I just kinda got
bored of it, to be honest.

1243
00:43:56,616 --> 00:43:58,466
And I was like, "You know what?

1244
00:43:58,486 --> 00:44:04,216
Like I kinda wanna g- I wanted to get,
like I wanna get back to enjoying sex-

1245
00:44:04,336 --> 00:44:04,686
Mm

1246
00:44:05,096 --> 00:44:09,756
…
and like, and the passion, like the
pr- that private intimate passion

1247
00:44:09,756 --> 00:44:13,076
that you get, and like the seduction
part of it." That was the p- I think

1248
00:44:13,076 --> 00:44:15,966
that was probably the part I missed
more than anything else, was like the

1249
00:44:15,996 --> 00:44:18,146
aspect of seducing a woman- Mm-hmm

1250
00:44:18,146 --> 00:44:18,936
that you've just met.

1251
00:44:19,836 --> 00:44:23,826
'Cause that, it doesn't really happen that
mu- like it happens a bit on porn sets.

1252
00:44:23,836 --> 00:44:26,046
You'll have like, you'll have a day
you'll go to set and like you'll

1253
00:44:26,046 --> 00:44:27,776
have electric chemistry with someone.

1254
00:44:28,026 --> 00:44:28,166
Mm-hmm.

1255
00:44:28,166 --> 00:44:33,186
And that's great, but it's not the same
as like- Talk, taking someone on a date,

1256
00:44:33,196 --> 00:44:36,686
like having a couple of drinks or going
out for an evening together and, and-

1257
00:44:36,766 --> 00:44:36,926
Yeah

1258
00:44:36,926 --> 00:44:38,726
having that, like, chemistry build up-

1259
00:44:38,826 --> 00:44:39,176
Yeah

1260
00:44:39,196 --> 00:44:43,216
…
over the evening, and then taking her home
and just ripping each other's clothes off.

1261
00:44:43,506 --> 00:44:43,626
Like-

1262
00:44:43,626 --> 00:44:43,966
Yeah

1263
00:44:44,036 --> 00:44:44,386
…
that- It's

1264
00:44:44,386 --> 00:44:45,286
explosive

1265
00:44:45,366 --> 00:44:46,146
…
it's explosive.

1266
00:44:46,246 --> 00:44:46,266
Yeah.

1267
00:44:46,276 --> 00:44:47,656
You don't have that anymore-

1268
00:44:48,226 --> 00:44:48,376
Mm

1269
00:44:48,386 --> 00:44:49,576
…
when you're shooting porn all the time.

1270
00:44:50,076 --> 00:44:50,186
Mm-hmm.

1271
00:44:50,216 --> 00:44:53,516
And because all the sex you're having,
even when you're doing, like, when

1272
00:44:53,516 --> 00:44:57,246
even when you're shooting like a,
what we call a content share for,

1273
00:44:57,246 --> 00:44:58,676
like, someone's OnlyFans, right?

1274
00:44:58,686 --> 00:44:58,706
Mm-hmm.

1275
00:44:58,716 --> 00:45:01,686
So we would just, me and a girl would
have sex together, and we'd film it, and

1276
00:45:01,686 --> 00:45:03,076
we'd both put it on our OnlyFans, right?

1277
00:45:03,276 --> 00:45:03,636
Mm-hmm.

1278
00:45:03,936 --> 00:45:07,496
Even that is, it's like, it, yeah,
it's fun and we're doing it because we,

1279
00:45:07,526 --> 00:45:09,266
we just get off on each other, right?

1280
00:45:09,266 --> 00:45:10,176
We, we have chemistry.

1281
00:45:11,006 --> 00:45:14,346
But it still, it takes away all the
seduction aspect of it, 'cause you just

1282
00:45:14,346 --> 00:45:15,446
sort of know what's gonna happen anyway.

1283
00:45:15,446 --> 00:45:19,096
So it's, yeah, it's- Yeah … and
I'm, it's like, "Oh no, my steak is

1284
00:45:19,096 --> 00:45:22,836
too juicy. My lobster's too buttery."
Like, I know I'm, no one is gonna

1285
00:45:22,846 --> 00:45:24,186
have sympathy for this situation.

1286
00:45:24,186 --> 00:45:25,656
And I don't, I don't want anyone to.

1287
00:45:26,056 --> 00:45:28,426
It's just a, it's a weird
it's just me being honest.

1288
00:45:28,426 --> 00:45:30,826
Like, that's- Yeah … that
was kinda where my head was at.

1289
00:45:31,776 --> 00:45:35,756
And then obviously like 2020, COVID,
the pandemic and lockdowns and

1290
00:45:35,756 --> 00:45:39,096
stuff happened, and I was in LA, so
they locked down pretty hard there.

1291
00:45:39,176 --> 00:45:39,436
Mm.

1292
00:45:39,466 --> 00:45:39,766
Oh, yeah.

1293
00:45:39,766 --> 00:45:42,566
And, you know, work dried up.

1294
00:45:43,256 --> 00:45:45,056
I'm like, "Ah, crap." Like I can't- Right.

1295
00:45:45,056 --> 00:45:45,546
Really?

1296
00:45:45,716 --> 00:45:48,266
To be fair though, we were the,
the porn industry was probably the

1297
00:45:48,266 --> 00:45:49,936
fastest one to get back to work.

1298
00:45:50,366 --> 00:45:51,686
Like you won't stop us from fucking.

1299
00:45:51,706 --> 00:45:53,446
Like we'll figure it out.

1300
00:45:53,936 --> 00:45:57,406
Uh, they had like, yeah, they
basically like socially distanced on

1301
00:45:57,426 --> 00:45:58,936
the porn set, which was hilarious.

1302
00:45:59,386 --> 00:46:00,949
Except for the ex- obviously
except for the performers.

1303
00:46:00,949 --> 00:46:01,446
Except for the…

1304
00:46:01,446 --> 00:46:01,956
Yeah.

1305
00:46:02,456 --> 00:46:03,676
So that was fun.

1306
00:46:03,686 --> 00:46:08,006
But it sort of, yeah, it got to this
point where I'm like I had already

1307
00:46:08,006 --> 00:46:11,986
started writing my first book, which
was about, basically, I compiled all

1308
00:46:11,986 --> 00:46:16,086
the different, like, bio hacks that I,
I found whilst working in the industry.

1309
00:46:16,096 --> 00:46:16,126
Oh, wow.

1310
00:46:16,256 --> 00:46:19,176
So this is stuff I took from,
like, veteran performers who

1311
00:46:19,176 --> 00:46:20,366
were, like, mentoring me.

1312
00:46:20,376 --> 00:46:25,166
Like diet tips, position tips, like
supplement tips, like a few little, few

1313
00:46:25,166 --> 00:46:28,926
other little bio hacks and things for,
like, preventing premature ejaculation or

1314
00:46:28,926 --> 00:46:32,476
for getting strong erections or, or not
having, like, performance issues, right?

1315
00:46:33,036 --> 00:46:36,426
And I just compiled these over,
over like a year and a half.

1316
00:46:36,856 --> 00:46:37,186
Mm-hmm.

1317
00:46:37,246 --> 00:46:41,156
And then COVID rolled around and I'm like,
"Ah, shit. Well, I've got no income. I mi-

1318
00:46:41,156 --> 00:46:45,896
I should release this thing." And, uh, and
that turned into, like, a YouTube channel,

1319
00:46:45,926 --> 00:46:47,796
and that turned into a whole new business.

1320
00:46:48,386 --> 00:46:48,856
And within,

1321
00:46:49,056 --> 00:46:50,446
like- And that's how it,
that led into your coaching.

1322
00:46:50,546 --> 00:46:55,286
Okay, real quick before we get back
into it, we gotta talk about sdc.com

1323
00:46:55,616 --> 00:46:56,136
Oh, yes.

1324
00:46:56,236 --> 00:46:59,496
Okay, so if you don't know SDC,
it's basically the largest online

1325
00:46:59,496 --> 00:47:01,096
community for open-minded adults

1326
00:47:01,296 --> 00:47:06,156
Which if you're listening to this show
right now, I feel like you probably

1327
00:47:06,156 --> 00:47:07,826
already know if that's your scene.

1328
00:47:08,186 --> 00:47:08,466
Yeah.

1329
00:47:08,486 --> 00:47:10,406
It's your people all in one place.

1330
00:47:10,746 --> 00:47:12,986
Just make a profile and go explore

1331
00:47:13,226 --> 00:47:17,146
No weirdness, no judgment, just
a ton of like-minded humans

1332
00:47:17,186 --> 00:47:18,956
living their lives, just like us

1333
00:47:19,136 --> 00:47:20,926
Honestly, it's kinda
fun just to poke around

1334
00:47:21,006 --> 00:47:21,946
Yeah, it really is.

1335
00:47:22,146 --> 00:47:24,376
Go sign up at sdc.com.

1336
00:47:24,586 --> 00:47:26,016
Use code 38236.

1337
00:47:26,106 --> 00:47:28,716
Link's in the show notes

1338
00:47:28,756 --> 00:47:30,446
Okay, now back to what we were saying

1339
00:47:30,626 --> 00:47:31,046
Yes

1340
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:31,929
That's

1341
00:47:31,929 --> 00:47:31,939
amazing.

1342
00:47:31,939 --> 00:47:32,239
Yeah.

1343
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,329
So with- within like a month
to two months, I'd basically

1344
00:47:35,329 --> 00:47:36,649
replaced my porn income.

1345
00:47:37,569 --> 00:47:38,179
Wow.

1346
00:47:38,189 --> 00:47:40,869
Um, there was that much, there was
that much demand for it because it was-

1347
00:47:40,989 --> 00:47:41,239
Mm-hmm

1348
00:47:41,849 --> 00:47:47,409
…
there's a lot of guys out there who
Don't have control over their body.

1349
00:47:47,699 --> 00:47:49,149
That's kind of, that's
a good way of saying it.

1350
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:49,569
Like-

1351
00:47:49,709 --> 00:47:50,039
Sure

1352
00:47:50,499 --> 00:47:54,519
…
so whether that be premature ejaculation,
whether that be some kind of performance

1353
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:56,499
anxiety or erectile dysfunction.

1354
00:47:56,509 --> 00:47:56,869
Mm-hmm.

1355
00:47:56,919 --> 00:47:59,309
Whether that be they wanna
increase their semen volume.

1356
00:47:59,359 --> 00:48:02,869
That's something we definitely learn
how to do in the porn industry, and

1357
00:48:02,959 --> 00:48:04,729
there's just- See, I- … so many
different things on top of that

1358
00:48:04,729 --> 00:48:08,929
I gotta stop you there, my friend,
because I- that's gold right there.

1359
00:48:09,029 --> 00:48:09,179
I love- That

1360
00:48:09,179 --> 00:48:11,249
is gold … I am-

1361
00:48:11,449 --> 00:48:12,539
I don't know how I can't do it

1362
00:48:12,869 --> 00:48:13,749
…
I love cum.

1363
00:48:13,769 --> 00:48:14,189
Can't freaking

1364
00:48:14,189 --> 00:48:14,229
do it.

1365
00:48:14,229 --> 00:48:16,939
Like, I love it, and he-

1366
00:48:17,019 --> 00:48:21,779
So to be fair, I have a very high
sex drive, and I masturbate a lot.

1367
00:48:21,779 --> 00:48:22,589
A lot.

1368
00:48:22,759 --> 00:48:25,329
And we have a very
healthy sex life as well.

1369
00:48:25,539 --> 00:48:25,669
Right.

1370
00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:29,739
So we have sex at least four times a
day minimum, that's during the week.

1371
00:48:29,749 --> 00:48:29,769
Yeah.

1372
00:48:29,989 --> 00:48:34,359
And then on the weekends it's way more
than that, and that's if, unless we go to

1373
00:48:34,359 --> 00:48:35,719
the club, and it's even more than that.

1374
00:48:35,859 --> 00:48:36,169
Yeah.

1375
00:48:36,689 --> 00:48:43,869
And that's, I will masturbate anywhere
from eight to 10 times a day on average.

1376
00:48:43,939 --> 00:48:45,099
Adam, you should be a porn star.

1377
00:48:45,099 --> 00:48:46,889
Jesus Christ, you've got the, you got the-

1378
00:48:46,889 --> 00:48:50,349
And you know, I can, I can come
and stay hard and keep going.

1379
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:51,559
And so- Bro,

1380
00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:53,389
you've missed, you've
missed your calling in life.

1381
00:48:53,389 --> 00:48:53,879
I'm sorry.

1382
00:48:54,379 --> 00:48:58,259
I'm like, we could be like, I don't
know, Grandma and Grandpa, let's do this.

1383
00:48:58,259 --> 00:49:03,379
So I thought that this wa- So growing
up I thought that I was, uh…

1384
00:49:04,299 --> 00:49:05,869
I thought everybody was like this.

1385
00:49:05,869 --> 00:49:06,259
Mm-hmm.

1386
00:49:06,259 --> 00:49:09,479
And it wasn't until that we
became swingers that I realized,

1387
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:10,919
oh, this is not a thing.

1388
00:49:11,289 --> 00:49:11,429
Fair.

1389
00:49:11,439 --> 00:49:16,309
Like, the, like, not everybody's like
this, and I've had guys you know, after

1390
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:18,819
I've played with their wives, they're
like, "Yeah, no, we're not gonna do that

1391
00:49:18,819 --> 00:49:22,699
again." Like, like, uh, you wanted to
do three or four rounds, and I only had

1392
00:49:22,699 --> 00:49:24,339
one in me, and I, you know, I can't.

1393
00:49:24,439 --> 00:49:25,509
I always miss out.

1394
00:49:25,549 --> 00:49:25,809
Uh.

1395
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:26,889
I mean, it is what it is.

1396
00:49:26,889 --> 00:49:28,649
And that's where-
But- … that's where I feel bad.

1397
00:49:28,649 --> 00:49:29,699
I'm like, dude, I, I'm-

1398
00:49:29,699 --> 00:49:29,849
Interesting

1399
00:49:29,849 --> 00:49:32,769
…
I just had- Yeah … four rounds
over here, and you're still on

1400
00:49:32,769 --> 00:49:36,379
your first- Yeah … and you look
like you should be someplace else.

1401
00:49:36,389 --> 00:49:36,829
Yeah.

1402
00:49:37,029 --> 00:49:37,139
You know what I mean?

1403
00:49:37,139 --> 00:49:39,589
So we need to figure out
how he can come more.

1404
00:49:40,059 --> 00:49:43,139
So you, you- Yeah … just, just so I,
I just heard you correctly, you said,

1405
00:49:43,189 --> 00:49:46,659
you said that when you, you ejaculate,
you don't, you don't go soft, you stay

1406
00:49:46,659 --> 00:49:48,029
hard, and you can ejaculate again, right?

1407
00:49:48,419 --> 00:49:48,879
Correct.

1408
00:49:49,049 --> 00:49:49,669
Is that what I heard you say?

1409
00:49:50,019 --> 00:49:50,229
Yes.

1410
00:49:50,299 --> 00:49:56,079
Okay, Adam, you my friend, you
have a f- you have a very unique

1411
00:49:56,449 --> 00:49:58,139
brain chemistry, I would suspect.

1412
00:49:58,149 --> 00:49:58,179
Okay.

1413
00:49:58,649 --> 00:49:59,719
So there was a study done.

1414
00:50:00,219 --> 00:50:03,039
There was a study done, and it was
only done on one individual 'cause

1415
00:50:03,039 --> 00:50:06,719
they could only find one individual
who was like this, and it was a man

1416
00:50:06,729 --> 00:50:08,419
who had the same situation as you.

1417
00:50:08,639 --> 00:50:11,539
He could ejaculate, stay
hard, and ejaculate again.

1418
00:50:11,949 --> 00:50:15,819
He didn't have what is known as
the male refractory period Right?

1419
00:50:16,219 --> 00:50:19,469
The refractory period is
that time between, that most

1420
00:50:19,469 --> 00:50:21,729
guys need between orgasms

1421
00:50:22,009 --> 00:50:22,279
Right.

1422
00:50:22,279 --> 00:50:25,769
Yes … where they go soft and they,
they just, it's just not happening.

1423
00:50:26,119 --> 00:50:26,359
Mm-hmm.

1424
00:50:26,359 --> 00:50:26,719
Uh-huh.

1425
00:50:26,829 --> 00:50:28,209
That's the refractory period, right?

1426
00:50:28,689 --> 00:50:32,189
You don't have one, Adam, and
neither did this guy in the study.

1427
00:50:33,069 --> 00:50:35,219
And the reason that, I might
be telling you something you

1428
00:50:35,219 --> 00:50:35,889
don't know about yourself.

1429
00:50:35,889 --> 00:50:36,409
This is pretty cool.

1430
00:50:36,409 --> 00:50:37,799
I, uh, no, this is the first time I'm

1431
00:50:37,799 --> 00:50:38,009
hearing this.

1432
00:50:38,009 --> 00:50:38,669
I'm so excited.

1433
00:50:38,669 --> 00:50:39,139
Okay.

1434
00:50:39,279 --> 00:50:44,389
So the reason that this, the man
in this study had this- is when men

1435
00:50:44,429 --> 00:50:51,129
orgasm, when men climax, th- their brain
releases a compound called prolactin.

1436
00:50:51,429 --> 00:50:55,729
Actually, funnily enough, prolactin
in women causes them to lactate.

1437
00:50:55,729 --> 00:50:55,739
Oh.

1438
00:50:55,739 --> 00:50:55,779
Oh, sure.

1439
00:50:56,409 --> 00:50:57,179
But we both have it.

1440
00:50:57,329 --> 00:50:58,089
Both men and women have it.

1441
00:50:58,589 --> 00:51:02,129
And the, the release of prolactin
in our brain is what causes

1442
00:51:02,429 --> 00:51:03,779
the male refractory period.

1443
00:51:04,659 --> 00:51:07,889
Now, when you-- the, there's
a relationship in your brain

1444
00:51:07,889 --> 00:51:08,809
between dopamine and prolactin.

1445
00:51:08,809 --> 00:51:11,829
When dopamine is high, prolactin
is low, and when prolactin

1446
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:13,149
is high, dopamine goes low.

1447
00:51:13,649 --> 00:51:13,709
Nice.

1448
00:51:14,329 --> 00:51:16,909
And what they found, they were,
they basically just did blood tests

1449
00:51:16,909 --> 00:51:20,689
on this guy as he was ejaculating,
and his brain didn't produce

1450
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,289
prolactin when he orga- orgasmed.

1451
00:51:23,569 --> 00:51:26,429
So he was able to stay
hard and just go again.

1452
00:51:26,439 --> 00:51:26,459
Yeah.

1453
00:51:27,009 --> 00:51:29,889
And I very much suspect that that is
exactly what happens with you, Adam.

1454
00:51:29,899 --> 00:51:31,039
You do pro- you probably
don't produce prolactin.

1455
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:31,269
Wow.

1456
00:51:31,269 --> 00:51:31,469
That's

1457
00:51:31,609 --> 00:51:32,079
nuts.

1458
00:51:32,139 --> 00:51:32,519
Yeah.

1459
00:51:32,859 --> 00:51:33,049
Yeah.

1460
00:51:33,089 --> 00:51:33,339
Yeah.

1461
00:51:33,509 --> 00:51:33,929
Like he-

1462
00:51:33,929 --> 00:51:36,279
You are, you are n- you are
naturally multi-orgasmic.

1463
00:51:36,779 --> 00:51:37,209
Yeah.

1464
00:51:37,709 --> 00:51:39,389
And you know what's
funny- Yay me … is that

1465
00:51:39,889 --> 00:51:41,409
She puts in a lot of work, man.

1466
00:51:41,409 --> 00:51:42,039
Lucky you, Chris.

1467
00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:42,699
Lucky you.

1468
00:51:43,429 --> 00:51:47,739
Because there's been, So bodybuilders,
if you go onto bodybuilding forums like

1469
00:51:47,739 --> 00:51:53,509
from back in the early 2000s, bodybuilders
were trying to kind of biohack this,

1470
00:51:53,919 --> 00:51:55,429
or maybe they biohacked it by accident.

1471
00:51:55,799 --> 00:52:01,119
So there's a I think it's a Parkinson's
drug called cabergoline, and it's a,

1472
00:52:01,149 --> 00:52:05,189
it's a really intense, like prescription
medication for Parkinson's patients.

1473
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:08,759
So of course, bodybuilders got
their, got, got ahold of it.

1474
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:09,469
Uh-huh.

1475
00:52:09,479 --> 00:52:11,129
And they started experimenting with it.

1476
00:52:11,329 --> 00:52:16,119
And what, what cabergoline does is
it reduces, it basically stops your

1477
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:18,609
brain from pumping out prolactin
and shoots the dopamine up.

1478
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:19,309
Ah.

1479
00:52:19,329 --> 00:52:22,399
And what a, not, it didn't work
for everybody, but what a lot of

1480
00:52:22,399 --> 00:52:25,469
bodybuilders found is when they took
cabergoline, they became naturally

1481
00:52:25,479 --> 00:52:26,849
multi-orgasmic like you are.

1482
00:52:27,399 --> 00:52:28,259
Oh, shit.

1483
00:52:28,789 --> 00:52:29,089
Yeah.

1484
00:52:29,549 --> 00:52:30,369
Wow.

1485
00:52:30,419 --> 00:52:33,039
And funnily enough I'll give
you another, another big up.

1486
00:52:33,909 --> 00:52:42,519
I formulated a supplement stack based upon
that study to reduce my prolactin levels

1487
00:52:42,539 --> 00:52:47,249
and increase my dopamine levels so I could
have a higher sex drive and orgasm more.

1488
00:52:47,249 --> 00:52:47,269
Huh.

1489
00:52:47,769 --> 00:52:50,009
Is that why you know all of this so well?

1490
00:52:50,259 --> 00:52:50,279
Yeah.

1491
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:51,619
Because oh my gosh.

1492
00:52:51,659 --> 00:52:54,309
I mean, you really, you zoned in on that.

1493
00:52:54,319 --> 00:52:55,109
That's incredible.

1494
00:52:55,119 --> 00:52:55,139
Yeah.

1495
00:52:55,149 --> 00:52:57,529
I, this is all brand
new information to me.

1496
00:52:57,529 --> 00:52:58,429
I had, I had no idea.

1497
00:52:58,429 --> 00:52:58,999
That's incredible.

1498
00:52:59,369 --> 00:52:59,609
Damn.

1499
00:52:59,619 --> 00:52:59,969
Wow.

1500
00:53:00,089 --> 00:53:00,279
Bro,

1501
00:53:00,299 --> 00:53:04,069
you're, you're- I honestly, I thought
that, that everybody was like that.

1502
00:53:04,099 --> 00:53:04,949
And, uh- Yeah

1503
00:53:05,309 --> 00:53:10,589
there's the women that I've played with
in the swinging community I, I normally

1504
00:53:10,589 --> 00:53:14,243
get some very interesting reactions

1505
00:53:14,263 --> 00:53:14,623
Yeah.

1506
00:53:14,683 --> 00:53:17,343
Uh, but most of the women tap out, man.

1507
00:53:17,353 --> 00:53:18,493
Like, I, I- Really?

1508
00:53:18,493 --> 00:53:19,233
… I can keep going.

1509
00:53:19,253 --> 00:53:19,763
Yeah.

1510
00:53:19,763 --> 00:53:20,043
And

1511
00:53:20,043 --> 00:53:20,323
then-

1512
00:53:20,323 --> 00:53:20,653
Yeah … they're

1513
00:53:20,653 --> 00:53:20,943
just done.

1514
00:53:21,473 --> 00:53:21,853
Man.

1515
00:53:21,863 --> 00:53:24,113
She's, she's the first one-
Okay … that I've ever met that- Yeah

1516
00:53:24,153 --> 00:53:28,863
has actually matched my sex
drive and has been able to keep

1517
00:53:28,863 --> 00:53:30,953
up with me in my entire life.

1518
00:53:31,173 --> 00:53:31,563
That's fun.

1519
00:53:32,243 --> 00:53:32,433
See?

1520
00:53:32,433 --> 00:53:33,493
You- you're made for each other.

1521
00:53:34,023 --> 00:53:34,153
I

1522
00:53:34,153 --> 00:53:34,443
know.

1523
00:53:34,503 --> 00:53:34,643
Um-

1524
00:53:34,673 --> 00:53:35,683
Like a puzzle piece

1525
00:53:36,103 --> 00:53:36,473
…
like a puzzle piece.

1526
00:53:36,493 --> 00:53:40,273
So you saw that and you did, and
you… So is that what's g- got

1527
00:53:40,273 --> 00:53:42,193
you to decide to do coaching?

1528
00:53:42,693 --> 00:53:42,973
Yeah,

1529
00:53:42,973 --> 00:53:44,253
that was what, um- That's
what took off the whole-

1530
00:53:44,933 --> 00:53:46,623
That was kind of one of
the things I s- I saw.

1531
00:53:46,633 --> 00:53:51,043
Like, pe- people, lots of guys would
DM, would DM me anyway like over the,

1532
00:53:51,063 --> 00:53:52,113
you know, over the course of my career.

1533
00:53:52,113 --> 00:53:55,513
Like, "Hey, I'm having trouble with,
like, premature ejaculation," or

1534
00:53:55,523 --> 00:53:56,583
having, or having boner problems.

1535
00:53:57,043 --> 00:53:57,353
Mm-hmm.

1536
00:53:57,363 --> 00:54:00,703
And you, you learn a lot about,
like, the biochemistry, the

1537
00:54:00,703 --> 00:54:02,033
bi- like the hormone chemistry.

1538
00:54:02,033 --> 00:54:06,093
You learn a lot about, like, the ways to
make sure your boner sticks around as long

1539
00:54:06,093 --> 00:54:12,493
as possible, because you don't wanna rely
on drugs like, like Viagra or Cialis too

1540
00:54:12,493 --> 00:54:16,783
much in the industry- Okay … because
you develop a drug resistance to them.

1541
00:54:16,793 --> 00:54:16,803
Oh.

1542
00:54:17,263 --> 00:54:18,443
Eventually they stop working.

1543
00:54:19,153 --> 00:54:22,203
And you, you need to use like
h- even more heavy-handed stuff.

1544
00:54:22,363 --> 00:54:26,353
Like they, they eventually got to
this… Like, if a dude uses Viagra,

1545
00:54:26,353 --> 00:54:29,953
like basically every day, it'll stop
working, and then he has to switch

1546
00:54:29,953 --> 00:54:34,633
to this thing called Caverject,
which is a, it's just nightmare fuel.

1547
00:54:34,663 --> 00:54:38,083
It's like a it's like a fluid
that you have to inject into

1548
00:54:38,083 --> 00:54:39,873
your penis via a syringe.

1549
00:54:40,273 --> 00:54:40,923
Oh, man.

1550
00:54:41,263 --> 00:54:43,543
And it forces a four-hour erection.

1551
00:54:43,563 --> 00:54:44,493
Like the dick, the penis will not go down.

1552
00:54:44,493 --> 00:54:45,333
I've, I, I've heard,

1553
00:54:45,803 --> 00:54:48,943
yeah, I've heard of- Yeah … of some
people in the community using that.

1554
00:54:48,943 --> 00:54:49,353
Oof.

1555
00:54:49,353 --> 00:54:50,723
Yeah, it's really intense.

1556
00:54:50,893 --> 00:54:53,643
But the problem is that
eventually that stops working too.

1557
00:54:54,113 --> 00:54:55,043
Oh, man.

1558
00:54:55,333 --> 00:54:58,763
And then what the dudes… And, and
there's d- there's dudes in the industry

1559
00:54:58,763 --> 00:55:03,803
who have this problem because they have,
they've had what I call the robo-dick

1560
00:55:03,823 --> 00:55:08,843
surgery So the robo dick is they
basically, like they take your penis

1561
00:55:08,883 --> 00:55:14,643
and they sort of hollow out like the
cavernosum area, the spongy tissue, which

1562
00:55:14,643 --> 00:55:20,023
is what fills and gorges the blood, and
they insert this sort of inflatable thing.

1563
00:55:20,633 --> 00:55:23,193
So you can… it's kinda like
you, you press a button, you

1564
00:55:23,193 --> 00:55:24,923
inflate, you, and you inflate

1565
00:55:25,423 --> 00:55:25,563
a

1566
00:55:25,643 --> 00:55:25,673
piece.

1567
00:55:25,673 --> 00:55:25,983
Okay.

1568
00:55:25,993 --> 00:55:26,063
Holy shit.

1569
00:55:26,063 --> 00:55:26,093
Okay.

1570
00:55:26,093 --> 00:55:26,833
So it's like you- Really?

1571
00:55:26,853 --> 00:55:29,283
… you just press a button and you
have an erection, or you, and you

1572
00:55:29,283 --> 00:55:30,303
press a button and it goes down.

1573
00:55:30,773 --> 00:55:33,463
And they have to do that because
their dick no longer works because

1574
00:55:33,493 --> 00:55:35,963
they've took, they've taken so much
Viagra and then they've taken so

1575
00:55:35,963 --> 00:55:37,503
much Caverject that it just- Wow

1576
00:55:37,503 --> 00:55:38,143
doesn't work anymore.

1577
00:55:38,693 --> 00:55:38,803
Wow.

1578
00:55:39,423 --> 00:55:39,593
Yeah.

1579
00:55:39,593 --> 00:55:39,603
It's-

1580
00:55:39,603 --> 00:55:42,533
You know, all I, all I have in my
head is a penis, but it's in the

1581
00:55:42,533 --> 00:55:44,933
shape of those things in front of
the car dealerships where the hands

1582
00:55:44,933 --> 00:55:46,743
are waving and flailing around.

1583
00:55:47,173 --> 00:55:47,223
Yeah.

1584
00:55:47,223 --> 00:55:48,263
That's all I'm thinking about.

1585
00:55:48,263 --> 00:55:48,613
Great.

1586
00:55:48,623 --> 00:55:49,273
Thanks for that picture.

1587
00:55:49,273 --> 00:55:49,363
That's

1588
00:55:49,363 --> 00:55:50,443
exactly what it looks like.

1589
00:55:51,383 --> 00:55:58,063
I mean, I come across a… i'm super
understanding when men cannot perform.

1590
00:55:58,943 --> 00:56:00,973
I totally understand nervousness.

1591
00:56:00,993 --> 00:56:04,563
Um, and I understand this because
it's happened to my husband.

1592
00:56:04,873 --> 00:56:04,993
Oh,

1593
00:56:04,993 --> 00:56:05,113
yeah.

1594
00:56:05,113 --> 00:56:05,563
You know?

1595
00:56:05,883 --> 00:56:08,603
So, and I know that he works.

1596
00:56:09,253 --> 00:56:14,393
Uh, you know, I know that he
has no problem, but some men-

1597
00:56:14,873 --> 00:56:16,363
Overstimulation is a thing, right?

1598
00:56:16,373 --> 00:56:16,783
Yeah.

1599
00:56:16,783 --> 00:56:17,793
Some men just- Yeah.

1600
00:56:17,793 --> 00:56:21,383
Yeah … they think about it and they're
like, "Yeah, let's do this." We get

1601
00:56:21,383 --> 00:56:23,953
to the point, and then it's like soft.

1602
00:56:24,443 --> 00:56:27,163
And I used to think it was a me issue.

1603
00:56:27,623 --> 00:56:32,783
And then when I realized that it wasn't
a me issue, I was… I don't mind when

1604
00:56:32,783 --> 00:56:37,473
they come up front and they're like, "Hey,
so it takes me a little bit and it also

1605
00:56:37,473 --> 00:56:40,293
takes me a little bit to, to ejaculate."

1606
00:56:40,323 --> 00:56:42,783
And it's like, okay That's awesome.

1607
00:56:42,793 --> 00:56:43,633
Like, tell me that.

1608
00:56:44,143 --> 00:56:46,663
I don't like it when they don't tell me.

1609
00:56:46,673 --> 00:56:49,163
Mm. And we're sitting there
and you're trying to stuff a

1610
00:56:49,163 --> 00:56:51,833
soft penis inside of a vagina.

1611
00:56:51,843 --> 00:56:53,743
Like, it's not gonna fucking work, right?

1612
00:56:54,163 --> 00:56:54,853
Or-

1613
00:56:55,323 --> 00:56:55,643
That-

1614
00:56:55,713 --> 00:56:56,103
Also- … talk

1615
00:56:56,103 --> 00:56:56,633
about not-

1616
00:56:56,773 --> 00:56:57,113
Yeah

1617
00:56:57,113 --> 00:56:58,463
…
removing all the sexiness out.

1618
00:56:58,543 --> 00:56:59,583
All of it, right?

1619
00:56:59,593 --> 00:56:59,649
That was it.

1620
00:56:59,649 --> 00:57:01,753
It's like, no, that's
not even fun anymore.

1621
00:57:01,933 --> 00:57:02,493
Um-

1622
00:57:02,583 --> 00:57:05,343
We had a term for that in the
industry called pushing rope.

1623
00:57:05,783 --> 00:57:06,333
Oh, God.

1624
00:57:06,333 --> 00:57:06,363
Can

1625
00:57:06,863 --> 00:57:08,363
you just visualize- That's-
'Cause that's exactly what it is.

1626
00:57:08,403 --> 00:57:10,373
Like, you take like- That is
exactly … imagine a, a piece of

1627
00:57:10,373 --> 00:57:12,373
rope and you're just trying to push
it and it, like, bends, you know?

1628
00:57:12,803 --> 00:57:12,983
Yeah.

1629
00:57:13,723 --> 00:57:14,123
Like, didn't work.

1630
00:57:14,153 --> 00:57:19,073
And it's like, I mean, I feel like
there's not enough people like yourself

1631
00:57:19,453 --> 00:57:22,003
that are expressing that to men.

1632
00:57:22,433 --> 00:57:26,993
Well, I think a lot of, uh, a lot of
men have difficulty- Men … asking

1633
00:57:26,993 --> 00:57:29,583
for advice or- Mm-hmm … or
finding things like that.

1634
00:57:29,593 --> 00:57:34,653
That, we, our website, we have a,
uh, 100% anonymous confessional that

1635
00:57:34,653 --> 00:57:39,543
people can type in whatever they want
anonymously, and we can either read

1636
00:57:39,543 --> 00:57:43,403
it on the air and give our opinions or
whatever they're asking or talking about.

1637
00:57:43,783 --> 00:57:46,813
But, you know, it's one of those
things where sometimes they're just,

1638
00:57:46,863 --> 00:57:49,573
they're just afraid to ask other men.

1639
00:57:49,603 --> 00:57:51,278
And I think a lot- Mm … of it
comes from toxic masculinity.

1640
00:57:51,278 --> 00:57:52,153
Mm-hmm.

1641
00:57:52,533 --> 00:57:57,103
You know, we were raised to, you
know, we can't show up this way.

1642
00:57:57,103 --> 00:57:58,093
We gotta be this way.

1643
00:57:58,143 --> 00:57:58,603
Mm-hmm.

1644
00:57:58,613 --> 00:57:59,123
You know?

1645
00:57:59,123 --> 00:58:01,143
And what- Especially
we're a lot of Latinos.

1646
00:58:01,253 --> 00:58:05,573
It's like- They don't wanna, you
know, say, "Oh, I have to take

1647
00:58:05,573 --> 00:58:07,063
Viagra," or anything, you know?

1648
00:58:07,513 --> 00:58:07,723
Yeah.

1649
00:58:08,513 --> 00:58:12,553
I th- I… The way I kind of, I try
to position myself for guys is I try

1650
00:58:12,553 --> 00:58:15,083
to think of myself as, like, the big
brother they, that they didn't have.

1651
00:58:15,923 --> 00:58:16,183
Mm.

1652
00:58:16,813 --> 00:58:19,213
Because you can't really… Like,
even me, like I… Like, you don't,

1653
00:58:19,593 --> 00:58:23,613
you don't really talk with your guy
friends about your boner problems-

1654
00:58:23,913 --> 00:58:23,943
Right.

1655
00:58:23,953 --> 00:58:24,153
Mm.

1656
00:58:24,153 --> 00:58:24,289
Too

1657
00:58:24,289 --> 00:58:24,426
much.

1658
00:58:24,426 --> 00:58:24,923
Mm-hmm.

1659
00:58:25,133 --> 00:58:25,493
You know?

1660
00:58:25,503 --> 00:58:25,553
Mm-hmm.

1661
00:58:25,553 --> 00:58:27,383
'Cause it's an am- it's, like,
it's an embarrassing thing.

1662
00:58:27,393 --> 00:58:28,923
Like, it's a, it's an ego thing, too.

1663
00:58:29,573 --> 00:58:32,763
And it's like- Yeah … and you know
guy- guys will, like, rip on each

1664
00:58:32,763 --> 00:58:34,043
other for, like, the slightest thing.

1665
00:58:34,043 --> 00:58:37,283
So if you give the, if you give your, if
you give your guy friends any ammunition,

1666
00:58:37,293 --> 00:58:38,343
you're gonna never hear the end of it.

1667
00:58:38,673 --> 00:58:39,193
So- Ever.

1668
00:58:39,313 --> 00:58:39,553
Yeah

1669
00:58:39,573 --> 00:58:39,913
…
yeah.

1670
00:58:40,033 --> 00:58:42,973
So it's like, who else
can they really turn to?

1671
00:58:42,973 --> 00:58:48,523
And it's like, you know, mainstream sex
advice, in my opinion, like Cosmo magazine

1672
00:58:48,523 --> 00:58:50,323
and shit like that, is fucking terrible.

1673
00:58:50,693 --> 00:58:52,263
Like, it doesn't give good advice.

1674
00:58:52,293 --> 00:58:56,463
It gives really- Yeah … shitty pop
culture articles that don't actually

1675
00:58:56,463 --> 00:58:58,363
tell you how the fucking w- body works.

1676
00:58:58,363 --> 00:59:01,643
Like, I remember reading some shit when
I was a teenager like, "Oh, write the

1677
00:59:01,653 --> 00:59:04,893
alphabet on her clitoris." That's the
dumbest fucking idea I've ever heard.

1678
00:59:05,663 --> 00:59:06,033
You know?

1679
00:59:06,533 --> 00:59:08,313
I've s- I've actually-
Huh … I've heard that before.

1680
00:59:08,323 --> 00:59:08,623
Really?

1681
00:59:08,623 --> 00:59:08,923
Yeah.

1682
00:59:09,123 --> 00:59:09,643
It's like- I've heard that before

1683
00:59:09,913 --> 00:59:10,723
…
it's shit like that.

1684
00:59:11,093 --> 00:59:14,353
And it's like, well, no, I, like,
I'd rather be the g- like, my…

1685
00:59:14,413 --> 00:59:17,943
I try to be that guy on the internet
that, like, that I'm just putting out

1686
00:59:17,953 --> 00:59:22,523
information- Mm-hmm … of, like, yo,
here's, like, how to fix boner problems.

1687
00:59:22,533 --> 00:59:24,113
Here's how to fix premature ejaculation.

1688
00:59:24,123 --> 00:59:25,333
Like, try this stuff at home.

1689
00:59:25,833 --> 00:59:28,033
So guys can, like, come to me
as, like… And it's just a,

1690
00:59:28,033 --> 00:59:29,313
it's just a judgment-free zone.

1691
00:59:29,453 --> 00:59:30,633
So it's just like, look- Yeah

1692
00:59:31,293 --> 00:59:33,653
I'm not gonna… i'm obviously
comfortable talking about this shit.

1693
00:59:33,763 --> 00:59:36,833
I've been s- every problem
you've had, I have had.

1694
00:59:37,283 --> 00:59:38,633
I've been through, I've fixed it.

1695
00:59:38,683 --> 00:59:40,983
I've gone… Through the course
of my career, I've had days

1696
00:59:40,983 --> 00:59:41,893
where it didn't fucking work.

1697
00:59:41,903 --> 00:59:41,983
Mm-hmm.

1698
00:59:42,253 --> 00:59:43,823
And I've had to figure out
how to get it to work, 'cause

1699
00:59:43,823 --> 00:59:45,093
my paycheck depended on it.

1700
00:59:45,533 --> 00:59:45,583
Yeah.

1701
00:59:45,583 --> 00:59:47,553
So I've fixed the problem,
you know what I mean?

1702
00:59:47,563 --> 00:59:47,593
Right.

1703
00:59:47,883 --> 00:59:51,563
And so it's like, yeah, guys kinda look
at me especially younger dudes, like,

1704
00:59:51,593 --> 00:59:54,203
they'll… In their 20s or whatever,
they'll look at me like a bit, like a bit

1705
00:59:54,203 --> 00:59:56,103
of an older surrogate brother in a way.

1706
00:59:56,113 --> 00:59:56,133
Yeah.

1707
00:59:56,373 --> 00:59:59,693
Where it's like, "Oh, I can ask
Stirling this question 'cause he's not

1708
00:59:59,693 --> 01:00:01,763
gonna fucking laugh at me about it."

1709
01:00:02,233 --> 01:00:02,533
Right.

1710
01:00:02,543 --> 01:00:08,139
So yeah, it's, it's, it's- It's a, it's
a good… I li- I like my job now because

1711
01:00:08,139 --> 01:00:09,499
I just, I actually get to help people.

1712
01:00:09,509 --> 01:00:13,039
I get to help a lot of people, and it's,
you know, I s- I get feedback every

1713
01:00:13,039 --> 01:00:14,319
day from them and it's really good.

1714
01:00:14,539 --> 01:00:14,869
You know?

1715
01:00:15,049 --> 01:00:16,929
It's nice- Well- … to
know that I'm just-

1716
01:00:16,929 --> 01:00:17,209
Yeah

1717
01:00:17,219 --> 01:00:20,119
…
making someone's life a bit better and,
like, helping them improve their sex life.

1718
01:00:20,129 --> 01:00:20,149
Yeah.

1719
01:00:20,569 --> 01:00:24,409
I mean, by the sounds of it, from your,
your pattern, you're a natural pleaser,

1720
01:00:24,839 --> 01:00:29,969
and y- you're, you get satisfaction off
of pleasing other people, and in this

1721
01:00:29,969 --> 01:00:31,859
way you're you're helping these people.

1722
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:34,979
Uh, there's a certain amount
of satisfaction involved in it.

1723
01:00:34,979 --> 01:00:36,649
I think that's very cool, man.

1724
01:00:36,659 --> 01:00:36,679
Um-

1725
01:00:37,099 --> 01:00:38,589
Yeah, that's probably an
accurate way of describing it.

1726
01:00:38,769 --> 01:00:41,739
I'll tell you what, i'll give you one
more, 'cause you said, correct me if

1727
01:00:41,739 --> 01:00:44,269
I'm wrong, but you said before that
you w- you, you've never found a way

1728
01:00:44,269 --> 01:00:45,929
to, like, increase your semen volume.

1729
01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:46,269
Was

1730
01:00:46,689 --> 01:00:46,925
that correct?

1731
01:00:46,925 --> 01:00:46,942
Yeah.

1732
01:00:46,942 --> 01:00:48,319
That's, so that's, that's-
All right … always been…

1733
01:00:48,369 --> 01:00:49,719
And she, and she likes that.

1734
01:00:49,719 --> 01:00:50,879
She's turned on by that.

1735
01:00:51,209 --> 01:00:51,339
Okay.

1736
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:53,299
And I've never been able to produce.

1737
01:00:53,679 --> 01:00:54,439
Try this.

1738
01:00:54,479 --> 01:00:56,719
I'm gonna give you a
little stack you can try.

1739
01:00:57,199 --> 01:00:57,619
Okay.

1740
01:00:57,659 --> 01:00:59,342
So, uh, 50 milligrams of zinc.

1741
01:00:59,342 --> 01:00:59,455
Okay.

1742
01:00:59,455 --> 01:00:59,989
Uh, soy lecithin.

1743
01:00:59,989 --> 01:01:00,559
Try 1,000 milligrams of

1744
01:01:03,899 --> 01:01:04,849
soy lecithin.

1745
01:01:07,649 --> 01:01:07,829
Okay.

1746
01:01:07,829 --> 01:01:08,099
Tablet.

1747
01:01:08,929 --> 01:01:13,509
And then I want you to eat, like,
a couple of sticks of celery

1748
01:01:14,132 --> 01:01:14,492
Okay

1749
01:01:14,712 --> 01:01:15,082
Okay?

1750
01:01:15,472 --> 01:01:19,202
Do that and then, and then the next
day you will notice a difference.

1751
01:01:19,512 --> 01:01:20,102
Really?

1752
01:01:20,442 --> 01:01:20,572
Okay.

1753
01:01:20,622 --> 01:01:23,252
Now, you might wanna… Do
that before you go to bed.

1754
01:01:23,592 --> 01:01:23,792
Sure

1755
01:01:23,792 --> 01:01:26,102
And then, and before you…
Like, so have a break

1756
01:01:29,202 --> 01:01:29,738
between- That's right … if
you can manage it.

1757
01:01:29,738 --> 01:01:29,799
Right.

1758
01:01:29,799 --> 01:01:30,712
Remember, bring your
eight ejaculations a day.

1759
01:01:32,002 --> 01:01:34,122
Do this between the
eighth and then the first.

1760
01:01:36,292 --> 01:01:37,032
Roger that.

1761
01:01:37,232 --> 01:01:37,752
Okay.

1762
01:01:37,752 --> 01:01:38,072
But the-

1763
01:01:38,112 --> 01:01:38,372
Yeah

1764
01:01:38,402 --> 01:01:41,542
…
the, the zinc increases semen production.

1765
01:01:41,842 --> 01:01:45,612
The soy lecithin increases, the amount
of seminal fluid you shoot out, and

1766
01:01:45,612 --> 01:01:48,212
the celery is the real game changer.

1767
01:01:48,472 --> 01:01:54,732
I, I found this trick out, like,
two decades ago, and to the point

1768
01:01:54,732 --> 01:01:56,172
where, like, I, I tried it out.

1769
01:01:56,842 --> 01:02:02,232
S- if you t- if you eat celery
sticks, the next day your semen

1770
01:02:02,232 --> 01:02:04,592
will be thick and pearly white.

1771
01:02:05,522 --> 01:02:06,302
Really?

1772
01:02:06,452 --> 01:02:07,052
Guarantee.

1773
01:02:07,092 --> 01:02:08,712
Like- But is it gonna change the taste?

1774
01:02:10,042 --> 01:02:10,992
I don't know.

1775
01:02:11,102 --> 01:02:11,812
So you will have to

1776
01:02:13,122 --> 01:02:13,701
f- do that experiment for us.

1777
01:02:13,701 --> 01:02:13,932
I'm gonna have to tell you that.

1778
01:02:13,932 --> 01:02:14,172
Okay.

1779
01:02:14,952 --> 01:02:18,592
When he tries that, I'm gonna
be like, "Stirling, the flavor."

1780
01:02:18,952 --> 01:02:21,752
But at least you'll know so that
you can make note of that, you know?

1781
01:02:21,792 --> 01:02:22,392
Well, okay.

1782
01:02:22,392 --> 01:02:25,412
The… If, if the flavor's off, then
have some pineapple and strawberry.

1783
01:02:25,612 --> 01:02:26,012
Boom.

1784
01:02:26,032 --> 01:02:26,512
There you go.

1785
01:02:26,512 --> 01:02:26,912
There you go.

1786
01:02:27,292 --> 01:02:27,552
Thank

1787
01:02:27,552 --> 01:02:27,572
you.

1788
01:02:27,572 --> 01:02:28,272
That's, that sounds

1789
01:02:28,272 --> 01:02:28,782
like- Thank

1790
01:02:28,782 --> 01:02:28,802
you

1791
01:02:28,802 --> 01:02:29,132
an easy

1792
01:02:29,132 --> 01:02:29,562
fix.

1793
01:02:29,572 --> 01:02:33,622
I… This, this is such… I'm not
j- this is such a consistent…

1794
01:02:33,882 --> 01:02:38,222
Like, I have never seen a single
scientific study- Okay … talking

1795
01:02:38,232 --> 01:02:40,822
about the impact of celery on semen.

1796
01:02:41,112 --> 01:02:41,482
Uh-huh.

1797
01:02:41,522 --> 01:02:46,082
But every single man I have told this
to, it has worked like the next day.

1798
01:02:46,802 --> 01:02:47,362
Okay.

1799
01:02:47,362 --> 01:02:47,914
The next day it

1800
01:02:47,914 --> 01:02:48,052
worked.

1801
01:02:48,052 --> 01:02:48,492
Okay.

1802
01:02:49,022 --> 01:02:50,612
Stirling, you are awesome
just for even- Try it

1803
01:02:50,612 --> 01:02:51,442
throwing that out there.

1804
01:02:51,472 --> 01:02:54,362
I am actually going to t- I'm,
I'm gonna try it this weekend.

1805
01:02:54,362 --> 01:02:54,602
Yeah.

1806
01:02:54,602 --> 01:02:54,909
Try it.

1807
01:02:54,909 --> 01:02:58,062
And I, I want- Yeah … I want you to
email me back and tell me if it worked.

1808
01:02:58,062 --> 01:02:58,292
We will.

1809
01:02:58,292 --> 01:02:59,446
Absolutely, man.

1810
01:02:59,446 --> 01:03:01,342
No, I'm gonna report back to you.

1811
01:03:01,492 --> 01:03:02,642
I'm gonna let you know how this goes.

1812
01:03:03,002 --> 01:03:03,272
Yeah.

1813
01:03:03,852 --> 01:03:03,882
Good.

1814
01:03:03,962 --> 01:03:06,412
All right, Stirling, uh, we're
gonna go ahead and wrap up here.

1815
01:03:06,412 --> 01:03:09,192
This has been one of the most insightful
conversations that we've had on the show.

1816
01:03:09,192 --> 01:03:10,192
We had a lot of laughs too.

1817
01:03:10,192 --> 01:03:10,592
I love it.

1818
01:03:10,972 --> 01:03:10,992
Mm-hmm.

1819
01:03:10,992 --> 01:03:14,352
Thank you for being so open with
us and with everybody listening.

1820
01:03:14,552 --> 01:03:14,902
Yes.

1821
01:03:14,912 --> 01:03:15,252
Thank you.

1822
01:03:15,252 --> 01:03:15,642
Thank you.

1823
01:03:15,652 --> 01:03:16,132
Thank you.

1824
01:03:16,172 --> 01:03:19,282
And before we let you go, please
let our listeners know where they

1825
01:03:19,282 --> 01:03:20,842
can find and follow your work.

1826
01:03:21,402 --> 01:03:21,742
Awesome.

1827
01:03:21,992 --> 01:03:23,732
Yeah, so, uh, Stirlingcooper.com
spelt, uh, oops,

1828
01:03:25,942 --> 01:03:27,432
spelt like my name down here.

1829
01:03:27,872 --> 01:03:28,262
Okay.

1830
01:03:28,862 --> 01:03:31,362
Stirlingcooper.com is where you
can go, you can find all my, all

1831
01:03:31,362 --> 01:03:33,572
my resources, my free guides, my…

1832
01:03:33,612 --> 01:03:36,162
And I've got a bunch of paid, uh,
paid guides for people as well.

1833
01:03:36,242 --> 01:03:41,138
I do a lot of, a lot of work for
helping men to- basically rock

1834
01:03:41,178 --> 01:03:43,238
women's worlds in the bedroom.

1835
01:03:43,608 --> 01:03:46,238
And lately I've been
working with women as well.

1836
01:03:46,508 --> 01:03:48,348
We've actually got a new
product coming out, which is

1837
01:03:48,348 --> 01:03:49,698
The Lady's Guide to Blow Jobs.

1838
01:03:50,468 --> 01:03:50,538
Oh, my my.

1839
01:03:50,538 --> 01:03:52,038
That is coming out very soon.

1840
01:03:52,208 --> 01:03:53,688
I'm very, very excited about that.

1841
01:03:53,718 --> 01:03:58,808
So it's, it's me applying my same
autistic mind to the other side of

1842
01:03:58,808 --> 01:04:01,548
the equation of sex- … which is how
women can please their man better, and

1843
01:04:01,548 --> 01:04:04,438
you guys are a perfect people for, for
me to… Tell you what, I'll, I'll,

1844
01:04:04,478 --> 01:04:06,728
I'll send you guys a copy for free
and you can tell me if it's any good.

1845
01:04:07,268 --> 01:04:08,618
I- That would be great, man.

1846
01:04:08,628 --> 01:04:08,658
Okay.

1847
01:04:08,668 --> 01:04:09,188
You know, we

1848
01:04:09,188 --> 01:04:09,748
can- But, uh … we can

1849
01:04:09,748 --> 01:04:10,278
do that

1850
01:04:10,668 --> 01:04:13,238
…
for the women watching, you
can go to, I have a free gift

1851
01:04:13,248 --> 01:04:14,328
for any women watching this.

1852
01:04:14,378 --> 01:04:15,238
I, uh, you can go to Stirlingforher.com

1853
01:04:18,188 --> 01:04:20,688
and you can get my free guide for
women, which is the Pleasure Blueprint,

1854
01:04:21,148 --> 01:04:26,168
and that's all things, uh, about
how to get your man to, to give you

1855
01:04:26,168 --> 01:04:28,938
a wild experience in the bedroom,
and how to please him back as well.

1856
01:04:28,948 --> 01:04:33,028
So it's sort of this, it's how to
re- kind of s- hit that spark again

1857
01:04:33,468 --> 01:04:36,338
in your, in your sex life if you've
been with someone for a while.

1858
01:04:36,788 --> 01:04:37,018
So-

1859
01:04:37,038 --> 01:04:37,318
okay.

1860
01:04:37,588 --> 01:04:37,958
That's awesome.

1861
01:04:37,968 --> 01:04:40,958
Yeah … Stirlingforher for women
and Stirlingcooper.com for men, and

1862
01:04:40,958 --> 01:04:42,268
you'll find all the resources you need.

1863
01:04:42,428 --> 01:04:42,488
That's on.

1864
01:04:43,048 --> 01:04:43,818
That's on, man.

1865
01:04:43,828 --> 01:04:44,528
That's amazing.

1866
01:04:44,758 --> 01:04:47,878
We're gonna have all of that linked
on the show notes, and with that, uh,

1867
01:04:47,898 --> 01:04:53,088
before we go, if you want more from
us, head over to beyond-monogamy.com.

1868
01:04:53,088 --> 01:04:57,528
That's your hub for every episode,
clips, our blog, merch, our sponsors,

1869
01:04:57,768 --> 01:05:00,958
and our 100% anonymous confessional
that we mentioned earlier today.

1870
01:05:01,458 --> 01:05:04,058
And we're also streaming
on fullswapradio.com.

1871
01:05:04,058 --> 01:05:08,548
It's not a live show, just us along a
bunch of other great adult podcasts.

1872
01:05:09,298 --> 01:05:10,368
So check that out, too.

1873
01:05:10,878 --> 01:05:13,048
Yeah, and if you wanna catch
us in person, we'll have an

1874
01:05:13,048 --> 01:05:14,658
exhibitor booth at Naughty Nollans.

1875
01:05:14,668 --> 01:05:18,828
So if you're going, even though they're
already, uh, sold out, I believe

1876
01:05:18,828 --> 01:05:20,528
there's a possibility of day passes.

1877
01:05:20,528 --> 01:05:21,098
Yes, we

1878
01:05:21,098 --> 01:05:21,388
might have some.

1879
01:05:21,388 --> 01:05:23,138
So watch our social medias for that.

1880
01:05:23,148 --> 01:05:23,208
Mm-hmm.

1881
01:05:23,208 --> 01:05:24,858
We're gonna be putting
that information out.

1882
01:05:24,878 --> 01:05:28,608
If you still wanna go to Naughty Nollans,
we're gonna have the information for

1883
01:05:28,608 --> 01:05:32,928
you, and, uh, you can actually sign
up, give us your email on our website

1884
01:05:32,948 --> 01:05:37,388
at beyond-monogamy.com, and we'll give
you that information, let me tell you.

1885
01:05:37,688 --> 01:05:39,428
But Naughty Nollans, come find us.

1886
01:05:39,438 --> 01:05:40,018
We'll be there.

1887
01:05:40,168 --> 01:05:44,798
Yes, and every month we do an
hour-long stream over on sdc.com

1888
01:05:44,798 --> 01:05:46,378
with a different topic each time.

1889
01:05:46,718 --> 01:05:47,998
Come hang out with us.

1890
01:05:48,508 --> 01:05:52,798
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1891
01:05:53,008 --> 01:05:55,728
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1892
01:05:56,018 --> 01:05:59,868
And follow us on all our socials for
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1893
01:06:00,028 --> 01:06:01,898
be at and where you can find us.

1894
01:06:02,398 --> 01:06:05,738
That's right, and with that, thank you so
much for joining us for another episode,

1895
01:06:06,078 --> 01:06:07,758
and we will see you guys next week.

1896
01:06:07,978 --> 01:06:08,778
Bye.