Bi Men in Swinging: Breaking Stigma with United Bi Swinging (Ashley & Rob)

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Alright y'all, before we
dive in, a quick heads up.

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This show is raw, real, and
definitely not rated pg.

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We're talking about adult themes, sexual
content, and the kind of stuff you

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probably don't want blasting through your
speakers at work or around your kits.

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So grab some headphones, pour your
drink of choice and get comfy.

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Oh, and just so we're clear, we are not
licensed therapists, counselors, or sex.

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Couches.

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Sex coaches.

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Sex coaches, not sex couches

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or just a couple of people sharing our
lives, experiences and sexy adventures.

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An ethical non-monogamy.

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So with that, pull up a
chair and enjoy the show.

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And.

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Hello, and welcome to another
episode of Beyond Monogamy.

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I'm Adam.

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And I'm Pris.

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And tonight we're diving into a
conversation that's real, raw and long

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overdue bi sexuality and the lifestyle.

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Our guests are doing
something seriously special.

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We've got Ashley and Rob, the bi
power couple behind the United bi

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Swinging Podcast and creators who are
breaking barriers and busting myths,

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bisexuality in the swinging world.

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Yes.

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Their show is all about normalizing
bisexuality, especially for men,

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but also highlighting what it
looks like for both partners when

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couples explore that together.

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I love that.

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Yeah.

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They're proof that you can
build connection, trust, and

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freedom while owning your truth.

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No shame, no hiding and no apology.

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Yeah.

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So pull up a chair, take a
deep breath and get comfy.

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This one's about to get honest.

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The curiosity's redefining what love and
desire look like when you stop worrying

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about the boxes other people put you in.

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That's right.

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So

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we would like to welcome
Ashley and Rob to the show.

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Welcome,

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welcome, Rob.

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Thank you.

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Thank you so much.

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That's great.

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Yeah.

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What an intro.

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Oh my.

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I'm grinding cry.

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Oh

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man.

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I swear he's good at that.

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I like to talk up my guests.

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You know, the guests are
the focus of this show.

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I mean, we're all about community and
you guys are all in this community

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and y'all are, y'all are all in.

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Yeah.

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Uh, so.

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Just what we were talking about.

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You know, I, I noticed you guys
from, uh, the podcast that y'all

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started up United bi swinging.

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Um, for people who have listened to past
episodes, uh, they know that I have a

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very strong stance we both do on, um,
you know, acceptance in the lifestyle.

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And if there was anything that
I've learned is that there is a

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lot of judgment in the lifestyle
from other people in the lifestyle.

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Yeah.

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And that sucks.

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And I know a lot of, uh, bisexual men have
struggled to come out because of that.

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Mm-hmm.

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And that just bummed me out.

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Mm-hmm.

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So, I love this.

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I'm excited to have you guys here.

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And before we go any further, I've gotta
know, first off, you guys are lifestyle.

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How long have you been in the
lifestyle and how did y'all

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even get into the lifestyle?

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Yeah.

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Do you wanna kick it off

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do you wanna kick it off

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what you started?

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So I feel like you should walk us through.

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So we are, we're, we're
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Uh, we've only been in the lifestyle
a little bit over two years, um,

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officially, and how we got started
in it is an interesting story.

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My idea, of course.

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Um, but there's a little
bit of a backstory to it.

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So when Rob and I first started dating,
he came out to me in the beginning.

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Um, yeah, there was a
big reason for that too.

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I am Rob's second wife and his first
marriage, um, ended over his sexuality.

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Okay.

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And so he knew in his heart that the
next time that he is in a committed

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relationship, he's gonna be out.

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To his partner and be who he is.

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Absolutely.

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Great.

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Beautiful.

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Yeah, like you can't keep living
like you, you gotta be you,

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you gotta live your truth, man.

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yeah.

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So then he met me, um,

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totally just worked out
because of her background.

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And coming from a household with
two moms, uh, gay family members.

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Oh.

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Like kind of the AlleyOOP, right.

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Like, it was like, this is gonna be easy.

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I don't have to worry about anything.

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But,

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uh, yeah, there's not
gonna be any judgment here.

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No.

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Uh, absolutely amazing and lucky
to have that opportunity with

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Ashley to open up to be me.

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And from day one, like no
judgment, just, okay, cool.

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And I think that.

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Him coming out and us being able to,
to talk about it openly and actually

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start talking about different fantasies
that involved male bisexuality.

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Um, we probably would've joined the
lifestyle a lot sooner in the beginning

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of our relationship, but we got pregnant.

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Damn kids that does

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that.

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That does that.

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Um, so instead of, um, you know,
kind of walking that path because we

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had a really, really fun fiery sort
of bedroom life if, if you will.

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Um, so we probably would've
quickly been on that path

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after I had, uh, our daughter.

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Um, I struggled with
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So, and this is strange, we
went from a almost seven year

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dry spell in the bedroom.

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Oh, wow.

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Whoa.

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Yeah, so I, I really struggle

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to be like, dry spell doesn't mean like,
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once

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a month.

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Okay.

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Check the

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box.

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It wasn't like we weren't
intimate or romantic.

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It wasn't, it wasn't the norm.

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Yeah.

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And so it got to a point where I
realized I had to do some, you know,

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work on myself and get the help I
need and every, every step of the way.

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During that portion of the, the
journey, Rob was completely unwavering.

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He knew something was off, knew something
was wrong, but knew what we had.

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Was such a beautiful thing.

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So his dedication to me, to our
family, you know, um, having a,

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a child, a you, you guys have.

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Oh yeah.

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Well, I mean, when you find
your person, you don't give up.

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Exactly.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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I'll say

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that.

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Keep going.

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You figure out.

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Yeah.

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And that, that in itself is, could
not be more opposite of one of the

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biggest stigmas that's out there that
all bisexual men, they cheat, they're

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on their way to being gay, they're
gonna leave you because I, I struggled.

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How,

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how did our journey start though?

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Like, that was, so the question,
how did we get into swinging?

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So when I got, well, if you will, yeah.

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My body woke up.

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Okay.

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And it was like the, the clouds
parted in the sky and I turned to Rob,

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uh, right here, and I said to him.

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Hey, so I heard about this place, I
think it's called Hedo or something.

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Have you ever heard about that?

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Like it was like a testing
the waters kind of thing,

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and as a husband that you have a
little bit of nod of these things, you

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know, when to just shut up and just
smile head, like, tell me about it.

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What have, uh, what have we got going on?

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Yeah, for sure.

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And he, and again, listened to
everything that I had to say and

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underneath it all for me, this was
the start of me reaching out to him.

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'cause I knew that it was gonna
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him to explore his bisexuality.

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Right on.

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You know, I knew that that
was something that was there.

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That was something that
we talked about before.

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Right.

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I know in my heart that no matter
how dedicated that he is to me, or

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amazing father, amazing husband, um.

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He has those urges and if I wanted to stay
monogamous, yeah, he absolutely would.

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That'd be no problem.

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But

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side note, this conversation started
with, have you heard of Hedo Turn

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into, what do you think if we add
a woman to the bedroom and as a

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man, it's like, no, stop, don't but

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twist.

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My arm,

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she hasn't admitted to this day, has not

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almost, I've been admit, fully admitted,

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but knowing my sexuality and
that it's not gonna disappear.

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So as soon as she said, what
do you think if we add a woman?

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I was chomping at the bit
of like, that's awesome.

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What if we were to add a man?

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Yeah, I was kind of waiting for that.

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So I think, I think she
was, I think she baited me.

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It's okay.

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It worked out for.

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Yeah, it really did.

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But that was, I think, the
introductory to the thought process.

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And then it was, how the
hell do you find people?

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Yeah.

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You know, when you

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live in these small towns, like
where do you start looking?

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How do you start interacting?

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And that's that, that was just as long
process trying to figure that out.

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Yeah, it, I think it took us
several years to find our footing,

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but now I gotta know,
did y'all go to Hedo?

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We did not.

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I

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never, it's

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expensive, man.

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That's right.

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You know, we'll all go one day.

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I'm so down.

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So we have not yet done any events, house
parties, takeovers or anything like that.

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And I think there is probably
a small portion of it that has

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to do with, there's not a lot.

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There's not a lot of bi male parties.

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I don't, how do I, I'm not,
I'm not leaving my words right.

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No, no.

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There, there, no, I, it's very hard
to, um, we've been in the lifestyle

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for 14 years, but not, we've been
recently in this area where we're at.

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Right.

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So it's it's a big community,
but it's such a large

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community

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are still very

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afraid to come out.

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They're

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still afraid to come out.

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Yeah.

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And I get it.

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I was raised in a household
where I couldn't even come out.

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Like my parents told me, if you ever come
out as, as gay, you're out of this house.

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If you ever date outside of your
race, you're out of this house.

256
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Yes.

257
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Like that's how it That's how it was.

258
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Yeah.

259
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They've got, as they gotten, as
they got older, they understood and

260
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became a little bit more accepting.

261
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But I still hadn't come out.

262
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I didn't come out to my first husband.

263
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I didn't come out to my second husband.

264
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I came out to him and
that was in my thirties.

265
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I knew that I was within a month

266
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that we were dating.

267
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Yeah.

268
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I knew that I was, I could have
been complete, like with women from

269
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the beginning had I been, you know,
accepted had I been told it was okay.

270
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Um, and so, but here,

271
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but then I

272
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wouldn't be

273
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here.

274
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Yeah.

275
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Then he wouldn't be here and my

276
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kids wouldn't be here.

277
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Right.

278
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That's a great story of you,
that your person and like I did.

279
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Oh, for sure.

280
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There's something about this relationship
that like, you knew this is where

281
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I'm meant to be and that's beautiful.

282
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Yeah.

283
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And when we got into the lifestyle,
I had already been in it before

284
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I got him in it and I was like,
I just wanna be with girls.

285
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Like that's just my thing.

286
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Like, I love men, but I already have you.

287
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I just wanna be with girls.

288
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That's pretty much how it started, but

289
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yeah.

290
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Yeah.

291
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And you know, I, you know, the
guys come along every now and then.

292
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Obviously I wanted to have experiences.

293
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Mm-hmm.

294
00:11:50,272 --> 00:11:53,301
But at the same time too, I wanted
her to have her experiences because

295
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she had never really been able
to openly explore that before me.

296
00:11:57,471 --> 00:11:57,651
Yeah.

297
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Uh, and then we became poly for about
five years because I wanted her to see

298
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what it was like to be in a relationship
with another woman because she, she

299
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needed to see what that was like.

300
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And now she knows it's not for her.

301
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Sex part is fine, friendship
is fine, but yeah.

302
00:12:12,336 --> 00:12:13,356
No, not relationships.

303
00:12:13,376 --> 00:12:14,836
So yeah, romantic relationships.

304
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She,

305
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I, I'm the same way.

306
00:12:16,421 --> 00:12:21,066
I, I had, I've had, um, two relationships
with women in the past, and I'm

307
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like, I don't, I don't, I'm not
sure that I would go back to that.

308
00:12:25,356 --> 00:12:25,686
Yeah.

309
00:12:25,771 --> 00:12:26,111
You know?

310
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No, it wasn't, it was okay.

311
00:12:28,106 --> 00:12:29,306
It's really, but I, I still love women.

312
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The friendship, the sex.

313
00:12:30,566 --> 00:12:31,046
Exactly.

314
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Yeah.

315
00:12:31,526 --> 00:12:32,251
You know, so I'm.

316
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They're with you.

317
00:12:34,286 --> 00:12:34,576
Yeah,

318
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me too.

319
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You guys are pretty cool.

320
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So y'all are in a small, a small town,
and so there's not a lot of bisexual men.

321
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How are y'all going about even
trying to fulfill your fantasies?

322
00:12:47,421 --> 00:12:49,191
Like, is is it, is it that hard?

323
00:12:49,941 --> 00:12:54,021
So I, I am, so one of the things
you said is small town, there's

324
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not a lot of bisexual men.

325
00:12:55,611 --> 00:12:55,941
Okay.

326
00:12:56,481 --> 00:12:57,771
That's not correct.

327
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Right.

328
00:12:58,491 --> 00:12:58,821
Okay.

329
00:12:58,851 --> 00:13:04,161
There's, I'll tell you one thing that we
have found is bisexual men are not rare.

330
00:13:04,881 --> 00:13:05,121
Okay.

331
00:13:05,121 --> 00:13:09,561
It's the acceptance that's,
I mean, they are everywhere.

332
00:13:09,711 --> 00:13:13,071
So finding them, you know, the whole
come out, come out wherever you are.

333
00:13:13,131 --> 00:13:13,191
Yeah.

334
00:13:13,641 --> 00:13:16,791
Um, we find that they come to us.

335
00:13:16,791 --> 00:13:16,821
Okay.

336
00:13:16,821 --> 00:13:16,881
Yeah.

337
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So because we are listed as
fully bisexual on our profiles

338
00:13:23,241 --> 00:13:23,541
mm-hmm.

339
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And they're using those filters.

340
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To find buy males.

341
00:13:28,446 --> 00:13:28,656
Right.

342
00:13:28,656 --> 00:13:30,216
And they're all listed as straight.

343
00:13:30,666 --> 00:13:37,686
So we, when we very first started, we
were listed as bi for a day fully, both

344
00:13:37,686 --> 00:13:40,896
of us bi, um, saw our neighbors on there.

345
00:13:41,286 --> 00:13:43,296
I almost threw the phone across the room.

346
00:13:43,796 --> 00:13:44,816
I didn't know what to do.

347
00:13:44,816 --> 00:13:47,096
I was changing, I was gonna start crying.

348
00:13:47,096 --> 00:13:48,716
Like I, I was so new to it.

349
00:13:48,981 --> 00:13:49,271
Yeah.

350
00:13:49,271 --> 00:13:52,436
But it probably would've been
different had it been you listed

351
00:13:52,436 --> 00:13:54,836
as bi me listed as straight.

352
00:13:54,986 --> 00:13:55,671
So, yeah.

353
00:13:55,671 --> 00:13:56,456
What we did, because

354
00:13:56,456 --> 00:13:57,596
nobody would've cared,

355
00:13:57,836 --> 00:14:01,676
is we flipped it to him
being straight just in case.

356
00:14:01,796 --> 00:14:02,036
Right.

357
00:14:02,036 --> 00:14:03,446
What everyone else is doing.

358
00:14:03,566 --> 00:14:03,926
Right.

359
00:14:04,426 --> 00:14:07,186
And then we, it was like a week later,
we looked at each other and we're like.

360
00:14:08,086 --> 00:14:13,186
If we're gonna do this amazing, huge
thing in this sex positive space and

361
00:14:13,186 --> 00:14:17,386
be who we are and grow as people and
learn about your sexuality and your

362
00:14:17,656 --> 00:14:22,456
desires, and act on things that are
just fantasy, but will be reality.

363
00:14:22,726 --> 00:14:25,156
We're gonna freaking
put ourselves out there.

364
00:14:25,216 --> 00:14:25,306
Yeah.

365
00:14:25,306 --> 00:14:26,716
Get your free flag out.

366
00:14:26,716 --> 00:14:27,286
Yes.

367
00:14:27,496 --> 00:14:30,646
We flipped back to buy and that inbox

368
00:14:31,636 --> 00:14:32,626
it was Oh, kidding.

369
00:14:32,896 --> 00:14:33,196
Yeah.

370
00:14:33,436 --> 00:14:34,396
We blocked them first.

371
00:14:34,896 --> 00:14:35,856
We blocked your neighbors.

372
00:14:36,581 --> 00:14:39,911
That's Adam's fantasy that he, we have a
neighbor that we could swap with every Oh

373
00:14:39,911 --> 00:14:40,661
my gosh.

374
00:14:40,661 --> 00:14:41,081
Yeah,

375
00:14:41,321 --> 00:14:42,161
dude, we're not new.

376
00:14:42,581 --> 00:14:43,541
That'd be incredible.

377
00:14:43,901 --> 00:14:44,591
That'd be amazing.

378
00:14:45,161 --> 00:14:46,931
Truly beautiful couple too.

379
00:14:46,931 --> 00:14:47,831
Like, just

380
00:14:47,981 --> 00:14:48,821
gorgeous.

381
00:14:48,851 --> 00:14:49,181
Yeah.

382
00:14:49,211 --> 00:14:49,511
Yeah.

383
00:14:49,716 --> 00:14:50,006
Like,

384
00:14:50,866 --> 00:14:52,766
she was, like, when we first met
him, she was like, whatcha doing?

385
00:14:52,766 --> 00:14:54,551
I was like, well, I wanna
look through the picture.

386
00:14:54,556 --> 00:14:55,166
She's like, no, stop.

387
00:14:55,666 --> 00:14:58,726
He was like looking, and I was, and
I was thinking it was almost, I wanna

388
00:14:58,726 --> 00:14:59,026
know,

389
00:14:59,536 --> 00:15:03,076
I really, I, it felt like they were,
they could look inside of our windows at

390
00:15:03,076 --> 00:15:05,206
that moment and that every second matter.

391
00:15:05,206 --> 00:15:07,426
And he's like, no, I wanna
read the description.

392
00:15:07,926 --> 00:15:08,226
Did you?

393
00:15:08,226 --> 00:15:11,766
And I'm like, he did, he
read it and everything.

394
00:15:12,756 --> 00:15:13,401
What you gonna do?

395
00:15:13,901 --> 00:15:14,341
I didn't even look.

396
00:15:14,366 --> 00:15:14,816
You gotta,

397
00:15:15,326 --> 00:15:15,476
yeah.

398
00:15:16,166 --> 00:15:17,006
I love that.

399
00:15:17,096 --> 00:15:22,316
Well, you know, so I, I have
always been so I'm, I'm straight.

400
00:15:22,436 --> 00:15:29,336
I, and I've always heard about, uh,
from different people that have come and

401
00:15:29,336 --> 00:15:31,616
talked to us throughout the years that.

402
00:15:32,406 --> 00:15:34,746
Bisexual men, it's, it's
hard for them to come out.

403
00:15:34,806 --> 00:15:36,246
Most of them are married.

404
00:15:36,486 --> 00:15:38,106
Most of them are saying
that they're straight.

405
00:15:38,586 --> 00:15:44,166
Um, several of them, uh, I, I know have
trouble whenever they meet other couples.

406
00:15:44,166 --> 00:15:44,256
Mm-hmm.

407
00:15:44,501 --> 00:15:49,056
Uh, because there's couples that they
find out the, the man is bisexual

408
00:15:49,056 --> 00:15:51,516
and they're like, oh no, 'cause
he's gonna want to have sex with me.

409
00:15:51,521 --> 00:15:51,936
No, no, no.

410
00:15:51,936 --> 00:15:54,606
I'm straight and maybe
we shouldn't do this.

411
00:15:54,606 --> 00:15:55,686
You know, that, that sort of thing.

412
00:15:55,926 --> 00:15:57,726
I've seen it so many times before.

413
00:15:58,266 --> 00:15:58,356
Mm-hmm.

414
00:15:58,596 --> 00:16:02,736
Um, there's kind of a, an old
school pigheadedness that that's

415
00:16:02,736 --> 00:16:07,296
still around that I really feel
like we need to bring awareness to.

416
00:16:07,626 --> 00:16:10,776
Now, you guys had mentioned that
there's not a whole lot of events.

417
00:16:11,276 --> 00:16:15,146
I see a lot of people yearning for this.

418
00:16:15,596 --> 00:16:21,886
There, there's a big want here for
almost like a group or, or some way of

419
00:16:21,886 --> 00:16:26,866
connecting people in a community sense,
because everybody's been so discreet.

420
00:16:27,571 --> 00:16:28,411
For so long.

421
00:16:28,831 --> 00:16:33,241
Uh, so when y'all came out with your
podcast, I've, I've been passing that

422
00:16:33,241 --> 00:16:37,261
out to a lot of the people that I talk
to out here because, uh, you know, it's

423
00:16:37,261 --> 00:16:41,731
important to have somebody that has
resources and can establish a community.

424
00:16:42,091 --> 00:16:46,351
You know, if, if you can't get accepted
at, at certain tables, then you

425
00:16:46,351 --> 00:16:49,141
just gotta start your own table and
say, okay, come on over here guys.

426
00:16:49,351 --> 00:16:49,951
You know what I mean?

427
00:16:49,951 --> 00:16:51,211
And that's what you guys are doing.

428
00:16:51,691 --> 00:16:53,191
And I think that's so frigging cool.

429
00:16:53,491 --> 00:16:56,581
And so that's why we, we had to have
this, we had to have this discussion.

430
00:16:56,586 --> 00:16:57,256
Yes, for sure.

431
00:16:58,081 --> 00:17:02,731
So on the, the topic of the events
and us trying to, one of the things

432
00:17:02,731 --> 00:17:05,191
we really are trying to do, like
you said, is create that, that

433
00:17:05,191 --> 00:17:09,901
community and bring resources and find
where these events and things are.

434
00:17:09,901 --> 00:17:13,831
So I have had conversations with
folks in a couple of different

435
00:17:13,831 --> 00:17:20,101
states that do host these, um,
buy events where you have to be.

436
00:17:20,536 --> 00:17:26,776
The male has to be either bi or gay,
and the woman must be bi friendly.

437
00:17:27,016 --> 00:17:29,206
She doesn't have to be bi.

438
00:17:29,836 --> 00:17:33,886
Um, but you have to be aware that,
but there are no straight men

439
00:17:34,036 --> 00:17:36,166
allowed in these event spaces.

440
00:17:36,736 --> 00:17:41,746
Um, so I am currently working on learning
a little bit more about them and, you

441
00:17:41,746 --> 00:17:47,026
know, hopefully we can get them going
on the, the podcast and get some links

442
00:17:47,026 --> 00:17:48,556
and stuff to some of those events.

443
00:17:48,556 --> 00:17:49,486
So they do exist.

444
00:17:49,486 --> 00:17:51,376
So I don't want people to think
that they aren't out there.

445
00:17:51,376 --> 00:17:53,806
So, like you said, they're,
they're just few and far between.

446
00:17:54,016 --> 00:17:55,096
Yes, yes.

447
00:17:55,516 --> 00:18:00,766
Um, but, but they exist and we wanna try
to make sure that people know where they

448
00:18:00,766 --> 00:18:04,336
are, where they can find them, how they
can join those, those different groups.

449
00:18:04,336 --> 00:18:08,326
And some of them have their own
platforms and in addition to that,

450
00:18:08,956 --> 00:18:14,986
other resources, that is a big thing for
us because, like you said, there's so

451
00:18:14,986 --> 00:18:17,356
many stigmas out there against bi men.

452
00:18:18,136 --> 00:18:19,336
They don't come out.

453
00:18:20,176 --> 00:18:24,916
And there's two, two really big reasons
for it when you're in a straight

454
00:18:24,916 --> 00:18:26,776
presenting relationship, right?

455
00:18:26,776 --> 00:18:29,746
So like Rob is married to Maine,
we have our wedding rings, we

456
00:18:29,746 --> 00:18:31,816
have our, our home and our child.

457
00:18:32,596 --> 00:18:36,256
If we don't say it out
loud, you can't see it.

458
00:18:36,756 --> 00:18:41,106
Bi visibility oftentimes
is not a visible thing.

459
00:18:41,106 --> 00:18:41,946
It's auditory.

460
00:18:42,876 --> 00:18:45,546
So unless you are putting the
word out there, unless you're,

461
00:18:45,816 --> 00:18:46,716
you're, you're saying it.

462
00:18:46,716 --> 00:18:50,586
And it's really funny, a lot of the,
the people that have reached out to

463
00:18:50,586 --> 00:18:56,226
us have started to talk about little
things that they do to show even that

464
00:18:56,226 --> 00:18:57,706
they're married, that they are bi.

465
00:18:57,756 --> 00:19:03,576
So, um, shoelaces, nail
polish, la lanyards.

466
00:19:04,236 --> 00:19:04,296
Yeah.

467
00:19:04,296 --> 00:19:04,996
Key chain things.

468
00:19:04,996 --> 00:19:05,091
Key chain.

469
00:19:05,096 --> 00:19:12,156
Just like little things, um, that
help them feel a little bit more them.

470
00:19:12,906 --> 00:19:13,416
Um.

471
00:19:14,121 --> 00:19:21,081
And on the note of resources, there are
support websites and organizations out

472
00:19:21,081 --> 00:19:26,091
there that are available, not just for
bi men, but also for their partners.

473
00:19:26,541 --> 00:19:31,371
So in addition to bringing that
to light and letting people know

474
00:19:31,371 --> 00:19:35,211
where they can find those, we
wanna also create that for people.

475
00:19:35,541 --> 00:19:39,141
'cause once you feel safe, once you
feel heard, and you know that the

476
00:19:39,141 --> 00:19:44,811
person that's listening to you feels the
same way you do, you feel less alone.

477
00:19:45,261 --> 00:19:45,411
Yeah.

478
00:19:45,411 --> 00:19:47,121
And you can be more of who you are.

479
00:19:47,571 --> 00:19:49,911
And it's, that's big for us.

480
00:19:50,511 --> 00:19:51,616
Yeah, that's, that's,

481
00:19:51,951 --> 00:19:54,441
I know there, there's so much,
because like, I'm trying to

482
00:19:54,441 --> 00:19:56,091
remember what he said because,

483
00:19:56,591 --> 00:19:57,161
oh, you don't have to remember.

484
00:19:57,161 --> 00:19:57,941
It's okay.

485
00:19:58,031 --> 00:19:58,827
No, it's fine.

486
00:19:59,261 --> 00:20:03,791
And it's the first time we've done
this and it's amazing to hear that,

487
00:20:04,481 --> 00:20:08,711
you know, other people are listening
and rec and like to hear that you're.

488
00:20:09,161 --> 00:20:13,091
You're sharing our stories with
people that you come across like

489
00:20:13,091 --> 00:20:13,961
so huge.

490
00:20:13,966 --> 00:20:14,366
Thank you.

491
00:20:14,371 --> 00:20:14,561
Thank

492
00:20:14,561 --> 00:20:15,761
you, first of all.

493
00:20:15,761 --> 00:20:19,211
And like Simon, like that's so cool
that like we're sitting at our dining

494
00:20:19,211 --> 00:20:26,021
room table after a kid goes to bed and
making some sort of impact is so cool.

495
00:20:26,171 --> 00:20:26,651
Yeah.

496
00:20:27,151 --> 00:20:30,981
But I think kind of where I want
to dip into is that I think the

497
00:20:30,981 --> 00:20:36,051
questions kind of along the lines
of um, like bi events and bi spaces,

498
00:20:36,551 --> 00:20:38,441
what I've noticed through my years.

499
00:20:38,471 --> 00:20:39,161
'cause I am

500
00:20:39,661 --> 00:20:41,971
40 or 41, depending on,

501
00:20:42,471 --> 00:20:46,301
um, I've been on this journey for a
while and trying to figure it out and

502
00:20:46,301 --> 00:20:50,251
trying to figure out who I am, what I
like, and what's okay, what I'm okay

503
00:20:50,251 --> 00:20:53,161
with, and all these different things
that come to the point where I'm at.

504
00:20:53,661 --> 00:20:55,401
There's so many people like me.

505
00:20:55,521 --> 00:21:00,051
There's so many, like I feel like
the people I connect with best.

506
00:21:00,551 --> 00:21:05,141
Are only available Monday through Friday
from 9:00 AM to 2:00 PM when their

507
00:21:05,141 --> 00:21:11,561
wifes aren't around and they don't
know, oh man, that community is huge.

508
00:21:11,861 --> 00:21:16,181
It's like your best friend next
door, the guy at the grocery store.

509
00:21:16,181 --> 00:21:21,251
Like it is so many people that like
when you start connecting the dots,

510
00:21:21,251 --> 00:21:24,191
it's like you realize you know this
person, you know the same people.

511
00:21:24,191 --> 00:21:27,631
And it's, I think that's part of what
we are trying to figure out and help

512
00:21:27,631 --> 00:21:30,691
unlock is like, let's stop the bs.

513
00:21:30,691 --> 00:21:32,161
Let's stop being afraid.

514
00:21:32,161 --> 00:21:35,761
And when you're able to be you,
life can be so much better.

515
00:21:36,001 --> 00:21:37,681
It's so much easier, you know?

516
00:21:37,891 --> 00:21:38,341
Totally.

517
00:21:39,207 --> 00:21:42,807
What kind of feedback have y'all
gotten from y'all, from your podcast?

518
00:21:42,807 --> 00:21:45,207
Because I mean, it's a
very unique situation.

519
00:21:45,912 --> 00:21:49,722
It's, for us, it's not unique, but for
others it is right to have a podcast.

520
00:21:49,902 --> 00:21:50,352
That's a Bible.

521
00:21:50,352 --> 00:21:50,982
I wanna jump

522
00:21:50,982 --> 00:21:51,792
in first.

523
00:21:52,092 --> 00:21:53,232
Oh, you can see her

524
00:21:53,232 --> 00:21:53,652
winding up.

525
00:21:54,294 --> 00:22:00,572
My, my fear has been, and again, it's
a lot of this has been so therapeutic.

526
00:22:00,572 --> 00:22:04,682
'cause other than Ashley, I haven't
talked openly to a ton of people

527
00:22:04,682 --> 00:22:08,702
about the journey and how I feel and
what I'm into and all these things.

528
00:22:08,762 --> 00:22:08,852
Mm-hmm.

529
00:22:09,352 --> 00:22:13,582
Knock on wood, it's been
amazing and positive feedback.

530
00:22:13,612 --> 00:22:17,182
I'm, I think we're both so worried
about what if we say the wrong thing

531
00:22:17,182 --> 00:22:19,852
and what if we trigger somebody
and what if they come after us?

532
00:22:19,852 --> 00:22:22,882
And everybody has been so great so far.

533
00:22:23,272 --> 00:22:23,662
Yeah.

534
00:22:23,662 --> 00:22:29,152
So the, the feedback has, we
have had people make us laugh.

535
00:22:29,602 --> 00:22:31,432
We've had people make us cry.

536
00:22:31,807 --> 00:22:36,007
You know, we've had people just
literally move my soul to dance.

537
00:22:36,007 --> 00:22:38,137
Like, I can't even tell you.

538
00:22:38,137 --> 00:22:42,037
They have so many people have come
out and said thank you, and how

539
00:22:42,037 --> 00:22:46,297
grateful that they are, that someone
is, you know, speaking on this, you

540
00:22:46,297 --> 00:22:48,607
know, bisexual men in the lifestyle.

541
00:22:48,907 --> 00:22:53,437
And not just that there's been,
there's been some men that have

542
00:22:53,437 --> 00:22:57,127
said, Hey, you know, I listen to
your podcast, you know, every time.

543
00:22:57,127 --> 00:23:00,457
And at some point, you know,
this might be the podcast that I

544
00:23:00,457 --> 00:23:02,107
used to start talking to my wife.

545
00:23:02,587 --> 00:23:02,647
Yeah.

546
00:23:02,647 --> 00:23:05,467
You know, people have asked
advice, you know, about, there's

547
00:23:05,467 --> 00:23:08,407
been men that have shared their
stories and we've had so many

548
00:23:08,407 --> 00:23:09,427
journey stories.

549
00:23:09,427 --> 00:23:16,447
We've had women wives reach out that like,
we found you guys and me, you know, me and

550
00:23:16,447 --> 00:23:18,187
my husband, we listened to you and like.

551
00:23:18,937 --> 00:23:22,267
It's so cool to hear people talk
about, like, we found your podcast

552
00:23:22,267 --> 00:23:23,377
and this is what it means to us.

553
00:23:23,377 --> 00:23:25,837
And like, we're cooking dinner
and listening to it in the

554
00:23:25,837 --> 00:23:27,937
kitchen and it's awesome.

555
00:23:27,967 --> 00:23:34,597
Yeah, and it's, I think that the, I think
the journey stories hit me the most.

556
00:23:34,657 --> 00:23:34,747
Mm-hmm.

557
00:23:35,107 --> 00:23:39,727
Um, because I, I think about Rob's
journey story and what he went through.

558
00:23:39,727 --> 00:23:39,967
Right.

559
00:23:39,967 --> 00:23:42,067
And when your, when your husband hurts.

560
00:23:42,067 --> 00:23:44,137
When your partner hurts, you hurt.

561
00:23:44,472 --> 00:23:44,762
Yeah.

562
00:23:44,767 --> 00:23:44,857
Yeah.

563
00:23:44,887 --> 00:23:51,417
You know, and those people that are
recognizes recognizing that even though

564
00:23:51,417 --> 00:23:57,597
I'm out to my wife or my husband is
out to me, this journey is not over.

565
00:23:57,927 --> 00:24:01,857
Because once they come out, they may
have never had an experience with a

566
00:24:01,857 --> 00:24:03,957
man, yet they've only thought about it.

567
00:24:03,957 --> 00:24:07,317
They know that they have that desire,
and so they're working with their,

568
00:24:07,407 --> 00:24:12,057
their partner to try to achieve
that or find out what that is like.

569
00:24:12,507 --> 00:24:13,017
Um.

570
00:24:13,517 --> 00:24:15,797
That's a whole other part of the journey.

571
00:24:16,097 --> 00:24:19,817
And it can be emotional, it can
be raw, it can be beautiful.

572
00:24:20,117 --> 00:24:21,107
Absolutely beautiful.

573
00:24:21,107 --> 00:24:21,257
Sorry, I

574
00:24:21,257 --> 00:24:23,237
had to take a time out
because I'm watching them.

575
00:24:23,717 --> 00:24:26,507
When we go out with people and we
meet people for the first time,

576
00:24:26,507 --> 00:24:31,487
something that like draws us in is
watching the chemistry of other people.

577
00:24:31,637 --> 00:24:35,297
So I just watch you reach out
and grab his hand and I love it.

578
00:24:35,297 --> 00:24:35,357
Yeah,

579
00:24:36,182 --> 00:24:36,542
I love it.

580
00:24:36,542 --> 00:24:36,972
This us.

581
00:24:37,307 --> 00:24:39,257
Like we're always on on each other.

582
00:24:39,257 --> 00:24:40,577
We're constantly touching each other.

583
00:24:40,577 --> 00:24:42,737
I don't even realize, like
sometimes Yeah, she'll kick your

584
00:24:42,737 --> 00:24:44,177
leg up while we're doing a show.

585
00:24:44,177 --> 00:24:44,267
And

586
00:24:44,267 --> 00:24:46,367
I don't mean the put on the
smile, but it's beautiful.

587
00:24:46,367 --> 00:24:48,887
Like when we go out with
people, it's like, that's who

588
00:24:48,887 --> 00:24:50,477
we tend to feel we connect with.

589
00:24:50,537 --> 00:24:50,777
Same.

590
00:24:50,777 --> 00:24:50,837
Yeah.

591
00:24:51,047 --> 00:24:51,257
If

592
00:24:51,257 --> 00:24:54,107
you're with a couple and like,
they're not even near each other,

593
00:24:54,317 --> 00:24:55,847
you are like, how do we include them?

594
00:24:55,847 --> 00:24:56,747
Or how do we, oh man.

595
00:24:57,287 --> 00:24:57,437
Yeah.

596
00:24:57,437 --> 00:25:00,407
So when you watch people just
connect naturally, I just watch

597
00:25:00,407 --> 00:25:01,607
you reach over and hold his hand.

598
00:25:01,607 --> 00:25:02,957
I'm like, that's so cool.

599
00:25:03,017 --> 00:25:03,917
And did you fall in love with it?

600
00:25:04,417 --> 00:25:05,617
I, I appreciate it.

601
00:25:06,077 --> 00:25:07,892
And I'm like, I'm a mush.

602
00:25:08,132 --> 00:25:10,082
I'm like, I'm the emotional one.

603
00:25:10,082 --> 00:25:10,892
She's the hardass.

604
00:25:11,392 --> 00:25:11,682
Yeah.

605
00:25:12,157 --> 00:25:14,377
I'm the one like, I'm like,
oh my God, look at that.

606
00:25:14,377 --> 00:25:14,947
Like that's.

607
00:25:15,342 --> 00:25:16,992
That's what you wanna be in life like.

608
00:25:16,997 --> 00:25:17,127
It's beautiful.

609
00:25:17,127 --> 00:25:17,767
And you know what's

610
00:25:17,767 --> 00:25:19,219
funny is it's the same thing with me.

611
00:25:19,219 --> 00:25:21,859
I'm, I'm the mushy one
and she's the hard ass.

612
00:25:21,889 --> 00:25:21,949
Yeah.

613
00:25:22,189 --> 00:25:25,134
So I, I love, love, you
know, and I That's awesome.

614
00:25:25,234 --> 00:25:26,959
And I love seeing that sort of thing.

615
00:25:26,964 --> 00:25:29,299
And, and she's more the cynic.

616
00:25:30,214 --> 00:25:31,974
I am, I am, we're balanced because of

617
00:25:31,974 --> 00:25:32,034
it.

618
00:25:32,034 --> 00:25:32,844
We are a good,

619
00:25:33,414 --> 00:25:33,744
yeah.

620
00:25:33,774 --> 00:25:35,874
Because I will run away and she keeps me.

621
00:25:36,374 --> 00:25:36,634
It goes

622
00:25:36,694 --> 00:25:36,994
so cute.

623
00:25:37,344 --> 00:25:38,154
That is how it goes.

624
00:25:38,469 --> 00:25:42,459
I wanna make one, just one more point
on the, um, people reaching out.

625
00:25:42,699 --> 00:25:42,759
Yeah.

626
00:25:42,819 --> 00:25:49,059
Um, there was one woman that had reached
out to us and said that she was thinking

627
00:25:49,059 --> 00:25:50,829
about starting a podcast similar to this.

628
00:25:50,829 --> 00:25:53,469
They were brand new on their journey,
and her husband had come out to

629
00:25:53,469 --> 00:25:57,519
her and, you know, she let, she
let us know where they were at with

630
00:25:57,519 --> 00:25:59,019
their journey brand, brand new.

631
00:25:59,439 --> 00:26:04,449
And they were looking for this
podcast and they couldn't find it.

632
00:26:04,449 --> 00:26:06,309
And they were like, well,
let's, let's make one.

633
00:26:06,309 --> 00:26:09,939
And then our podcast came out
and we wrote, we wrote them back.

634
00:26:09,969 --> 00:26:11,079
We wrote her back and said.

635
00:26:11,539 --> 00:26:16,009
Girl, if that podcast is in your head
and in your heart, jump in with us.

636
00:26:16,339 --> 00:26:17,569
We need you here.

637
00:26:17,899 --> 00:26:21,979
You know, and everyone out there, if
you're, you know, thinking about, um,

638
00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:25,699
a podcast that has anything to do with
the bisexual male journey or, you know,

639
00:26:25,699 --> 00:26:28,939
you and your, your partnership, it
doesn't have to be about swinging, it

640
00:26:28,939 --> 00:26:30,499
doesn't have to be about the lifestyle.

641
00:26:30,739 --> 00:26:33,499
Let's get those voices out
there, because again, yeah.

642
00:26:33,499 --> 00:26:33,649
It's the

643
00:26:33,649 --> 00:26:33,949
conversation

644
00:26:33,949 --> 00:26:34,339
started.

645
00:26:34,459 --> 00:26:34,549
Yes.

646
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:35,059
Yeah.

647
00:26:35,329 --> 00:26:37,939
When it comes to bi men, it's not

648
00:26:37,939 --> 00:26:39,859
just normalize, it just, yeah.

649
00:26:40,069 --> 00:26:41,089
Stop the silliness

650
00:26:41,089 --> 00:26:44,899
bi visibility again, in
most cases is auditory.

651
00:26:45,199 --> 00:26:46,819
So put your voices out there.

652
00:26:47,089 --> 00:26:47,959
Yeah, for sure.

653
00:26:48,649 --> 00:26:48,829
I love

654
00:26:49,249 --> 00:26:49,489
that.

655
00:26:49,586 --> 00:26:50,719
That's a really good point.

656
00:26:50,719 --> 00:26:51,799
No, that's a really good point.

657
00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:55,099
I mean, it's, uh, we have friends that.

658
00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:59,859
Won't even, you know, most of our friends
are in the lifestyle, but we have friends

659
00:26:59,859 --> 00:27:03,699
in the lifestyle that are just, they
other lifestylers don't even know Yeah.

660
00:27:03,729 --> 00:27:04,719
That they are bi

661
00:27:04,869 --> 00:27:06,279
and it's a sub-community.

662
00:27:06,489 --> 00:27:06,759
Yeah.

663
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:09,729
In inside a, a bigger community.

664
00:27:09,729 --> 00:27:10,629
Mm-hmm.

665
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:13,479
Both are very discreet, one
more discreet than the other.

666
00:27:13,959 --> 00:27:20,379
And I've heard a lot of women express
interest in finding bisexual males.

667
00:27:20,499 --> 00:27:20,589
Mm-hmm.

668
00:27:21,009 --> 00:27:23,079
And they're like, I don't
know where to find them.

669
00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:28,059
And we need more groups and we need, we
need to be able to find, because there's

670
00:27:28,059 --> 00:27:32,769
a lot of women there is that, and, and
a lot of couples, I should say, that

671
00:27:32,859 --> 00:27:35,529
that is their, that's their milieu.

672
00:27:35,859 --> 00:27:37,269
That's what they dig, you know?

673
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:37,359
Yeah.

674
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,049
Like, that's, that's, that's
their primary dynamic.

675
00:27:41,619 --> 00:27:45,879
And it's not brought to the forefront
that often because people don't feel

676
00:27:45,879 --> 00:27:48,159
comfortable oftentimes talking about it.

677
00:27:48,729 --> 00:27:51,309
And at this point, it's.

678
00:27:51,809 --> 00:27:55,829
You, you're one, you're, if you're a
swinger, you should be getting used

679
00:27:55,829 --> 00:27:57,629
to having uncomfortable conversations.

680
00:27:57,629 --> 00:27:57,719
Mm-hmm.

681
00:27:57,959 --> 00:27:58,499
Just period.

682
00:27:58,504 --> 00:27:58,874
Mm-hmm.

683
00:27:59,099 --> 00:28:00,149
You know, no matter what.

684
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:05,579
Um, and, and I mean, no matter what,
if, if you're gonna be entertaining the

685
00:28:05,579 --> 00:28:09,299
thought of having sex with somebody else
while you're with, in a relationship

686
00:28:09,299 --> 00:28:12,689
with somebody else, uncomfortable
conversations are gonna be had.

687
00:28:13,169 --> 00:28:13,289
Mm-hmm.

688
00:28:13,529 --> 00:28:13,769
Yeah.

689
00:28:13,769 --> 00:28:17,159
And if you can't have those
uncomfortable conversations, you

690
00:28:17,159 --> 00:28:18,419
ought not be in that lifestyle.

691
00:28:18,899 --> 00:28:22,289
And then that opens up the bigger
uncomfortable conversation of,

692
00:28:22,949 --> 00:28:25,109
I think I might be into this.

693
00:28:25,529 --> 00:28:25,679
Yeah.

694
00:28:25,979 --> 00:28:28,409
And it's not anything
we've ever talked about.

695
00:28:29,099 --> 00:28:29,459
Okay.

696
00:28:29,729 --> 00:28:30,599
Let's talk about it.

697
00:28:30,809 --> 00:28:32,489
You know, let's, let's explore that.

698
00:28:33,059 --> 00:28:36,959
And that's why it blows my mind
that there's still judgment in the

699
00:28:36,959 --> 00:28:40,139
lifestyle towards other sub dynamics.

700
00:28:40,169 --> 00:28:40,319
Mm-hmm.

701
00:28:40,679 --> 00:28:42,869
Uh, such as this, because.

702
00:28:43,424 --> 00:28:45,914
Uh, there's, there's a
lot of machismo ness.

703
00:28:45,944 --> 00:28:47,834
No matter where you go,
you're gonna run into it.

704
00:28:48,704 --> 00:28:49,934
Everybody thumps their chest.

705
00:28:50,474 --> 00:28:50,594
Yeah.

706
00:28:50,624 --> 00:28:57,464
Um, but I really am a big
believer in 100% inclusivity.

707
00:28:58,154 --> 00:29:03,134
And in this community
there's a pot for every lid.

708
00:29:03,134 --> 00:29:04,664
There's a spot for everybody.

709
00:29:04,664 --> 00:29:04,964
Mm-hmm.

710
00:29:04,989 --> 00:29:06,914
There's a chair at our
table, that's for sure.

711
00:29:07,304 --> 00:29:08,444
That's, and so, yeah.

712
00:29:08,829 --> 00:29:13,634
I, I had to, I I, I was
drawn into y'all's podcast.

713
00:29:14,054 --> 00:29:17,774
I was drawn into y'all's,
um, content that was created.

714
00:29:17,804 --> 00:29:17,894
Mm-hmm.

715
00:29:18,194 --> 00:29:24,214
And it really felt like y'all were
starting up something that was happening

716
00:29:24,214 --> 00:29:28,504
at a pivotal moment right now where the
conversations are being had, they're

717
00:29:28,504 --> 00:29:32,644
just starting to be had, they're just
starting to be normalized a little bit,

718
00:29:33,004 --> 00:29:33,964
which blows my mind.

719
00:29:33,964 --> 00:29:34,234
Yeah.

720
00:29:34,804 --> 00:29:35,104
Yeah.

721
00:29:35,104 --> 00:29:35,194
Like,

722
00:29:35,584 --> 00:29:39,544
I mean, it's like really, you,
you're still not accepting

723
00:29:39,544 --> 00:29:41,644
of, of everybody in our like.

724
00:29:42,349 --> 00:29:43,309
The world is changing.

725
00:29:43,309 --> 00:29:44,359
People like we get bored.

726
00:29:44,859 --> 00:29:45,269
It's long

727
00:29:45,569 --> 00:29:48,084
at this day and age and where we are and

728
00:29:48,684 --> 00:29:52,644
yeah, it's like women are, it's why
is it okay for women to be bisexual?

729
00:29:52,644 --> 00:29:54,744
Why isn't it okay for
the male to be bisexual?

730
00:29:54,744 --> 00:29:59,954
Like, why is it such a, a, a thing for
people that it's like, man, grow up

731
00:30:00,454 --> 00:30:05,314
that like, you know, I don't know, there's
so many wins that we want to get, but

732
00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:05,479
Yeah.

733
00:30:05,979 --> 00:30:08,649
You know, we come across profiles
where it's, you know, if the

734
00:30:08,649 --> 00:30:10,779
mail is bi, don't contact us.

735
00:30:11,139 --> 00:30:11,529
Yes.

736
00:30:11,589 --> 00:30:12,099
Whatever.

737
00:30:12,129 --> 00:30:12,279
Yeah.

738
00:30:12,339 --> 00:30:14,719
If that's your mindset, I
don't want to contact you.

739
00:30:14,719 --> 00:30:15,004
Exactly.

740
00:30:15,099 --> 00:30:18,419
You know, like, you're not
our kind of people already.

741
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:22,169
But then like, you know, we've
had a couple great opportunities.

742
00:30:22,169 --> 00:30:26,239
We're like, because we're bi
doesn't mean we have to play bi.

743
00:30:26,339 --> 00:30:29,159
Like, there's times we'll
play straight and it's fine.

744
00:30:29,489 --> 00:30:29,549
Yeah.

745
00:30:29,549 --> 00:30:32,069
And it's not a big deal and
everybody has a good time and mm-hmm.

746
00:30:32,459 --> 00:30:32,879
You know, like.

747
00:30:33,794 --> 00:30:36,314
Because I'm bi and the
other guy might not be bi.

748
00:30:36,314 --> 00:30:36,674
Like

749
00:30:37,034 --> 00:30:38,144
it's all above vibe.

750
00:30:38,564 --> 00:30:39,674
We're all gonna be naked.

751
00:30:39,854 --> 00:30:40,214
Yeah,

752
00:30:40,714 --> 00:30:41,194
it's fine.

753
00:30:41,194 --> 00:30:43,744
Like everybody, like consent
is still, is still a thing.

754
00:30:43,744 --> 00:30:44,524
It doesn't matter.

755
00:30:44,614 --> 00:30:45,064
Yeah, of course.

756
00:30:45,214 --> 00:30:45,664
Consent

757
00:30:45,664 --> 00:30:46,264
boundaries.

758
00:30:46,269 --> 00:30:46,389
Yeah.

759
00:30:46,534 --> 00:30:47,014
Yeah.

760
00:30:47,014 --> 00:30:49,144
It doesn't matter what your sexuality is.

761
00:30:49,144 --> 00:30:52,654
And that's one thing that people
start to, it's almost like they

762
00:30:52,654 --> 00:30:53,824
think it's a little bit blurry.

763
00:30:53,824 --> 00:30:58,744
Like, oh, if he's bisexual, you
know, he's going to to come after me.

764
00:30:59,194 --> 00:31:05,374
Um, and on that point, we had a,
a recent episode where Rob, I was

765
00:31:05,374 --> 00:31:08,914
asking Rob what his type was and I was
actually trying to pull it out of him.

766
00:31:08,914 --> 00:31:12,004
What is he, God tell you, you know,
Adam does that to me all the time.

767
00:31:12,424 --> 00:31:12,724
Yeah.

768
00:31:12,724 --> 00:31:13,869
And I was like so ambiguous

769
00:31:13,869 --> 00:31:14,189
about it.

770
00:31:14,794 --> 00:31:19,104
And he made a point on that
episode where he said, I can't

771
00:31:19,104 --> 00:31:21,924
be into a man unless I know.

772
00:31:22,329 --> 00:31:23,289
He's into men.

773
00:31:23,499 --> 00:31:23,739
Yeah.

774
00:31:23,834 --> 00:31:24,124
Yeah.

775
00:31:24,129 --> 00:31:29,469
And we had people, we had other men reach
out to us and say, I'm the same way.

776
00:31:29,529 --> 00:31:30,189
I'm the same way.

777
00:31:30,189 --> 00:31:30,759
I'm the same way.

778
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:34,749
I have to know that that person has
a profile that he is bisexual or

779
00:31:34,749 --> 00:31:38,949
that he has actually stated that
before my brain will even flip.

780
00:31:38,949 --> 00:31:41,859
And it made me start
thinking straight guys.

781
00:31:41,889 --> 00:31:45,549
Like, if you're just straight,
there are so many bisexual men that

782
00:31:45,549 --> 00:31:48,609
won't even, you are just invisible.

783
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:49,179
Exactly.

784
00:31:49,179 --> 00:31:51,249
Like, so stop flattering yourself.

785
00:31:51,249 --> 00:31:51,639
And there's,

786
00:31:51,849 --> 00:31:54,999
and they're so full of that,
oh, well, so you're bi.

787
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:56,139
Oh, you must want to fuck me.

788
00:31:56,139 --> 00:31:59,589
And it's like, Hmm, dude, that doesn't
mean that, I mean, women get it

789
00:31:59,589 --> 00:32:00,249
too, right?

790
00:32:00,249 --> 00:32:02,529
Because I am very selective.

791
00:32:02,529 --> 00:32:03,699
Like I'm not gonna.

792
00:32:04,434 --> 00:32:08,244
Am I going to go down on
every single woman that I see?

793
00:32:08,244 --> 00:32:10,404
It's just like I am, I'm selective.

794
00:32:10,404 --> 00:32:10,494
It's,

795
00:32:11,004 --> 00:32:11,754
I'm not a selective

796
00:32:11,784 --> 00:32:15,084
No, I'm, I'm very, I'm very selective.

797
00:32:15,144 --> 00:32:16,254
Like it is what it is.

798
00:32:16,254 --> 00:32:17,334
I don't like everybody.

799
00:32:17,334 --> 00:32:18,654
And, and it's like,

800
00:32:18,654 --> 00:32:19,314
I, like everybody.

801
00:32:19,314 --> 00:32:20,424
Everybody's my friend.

802
00:32:20,604 --> 00:32:21,624
I love everybody

803
00:32:21,684 --> 00:32:27,564
that if a woman, if a woman is tells
me that they are bi situational,

804
00:32:28,104 --> 00:32:29,304
they're, I'm not playing with them.

805
00:32:29,994 --> 00:32:30,804
Because that

806
00:32:30,804 --> 00:32:31,704
means they need alcohol.

807
00:32:32,034 --> 00:32:32,424
Yeah.

808
00:32:32,424 --> 00:32:33,414
They need alcohol.

809
00:32:33,474 --> 00:32:34,644
And I always make this joke.

810
00:32:34,644 --> 00:32:37,644
I'm like, well, I am always the
situation and I don't wanna be the,

811
00:32:37,734 --> 00:32:38,994
I don't wanna be your first person.

812
00:32:38,994 --> 00:32:39,894
Like, that's not gonna happen.

813
00:32:39,894 --> 00:32:41,274
That's not gonna feel good to me.

814
00:32:41,274 --> 00:32:43,044
So it's like, nah, nah, you

815
00:32:43,044 --> 00:32:44,304
wanna feel desired.

816
00:32:44,544 --> 00:32:45,474
Yeah, of course.

817
00:32:45,474 --> 00:32:45,864
Yeah.

818
00:32:45,864 --> 00:32:46,119
Of course.

819
00:32:46,344 --> 00:32:49,974
You know, I will say I,
and I'm, I'm bummed here.

820
00:32:50,124 --> 00:32:50,484
Okay.

821
00:32:50,484 --> 00:32:53,724
Because I'm the only one who
doesn't get to say that I'm

822
00:32:53,724 --> 00:32:55,044
bisexual out of the form of us.

823
00:32:55,044 --> 00:32:55,134
Yes.

824
00:32:55,374 --> 00:32:58,314
I feel like I'm not a part of the
club, but you guys are very inviting.

825
00:32:58,314 --> 00:32:59,124
I appreciate that.

826
00:32:59,664 --> 00:33:01,104
I, I will be very honest with you.

827
00:33:01,104 --> 00:33:02,244
I, I am.

828
00:33:02,949 --> 00:33:06,939
Uh, I love everybody and I treat all
of my friends the same women men.

829
00:33:06,939 --> 00:33:08,409
I, I treat everybody the same.

830
00:33:08,409 --> 00:33:09,459
I'm very affectionate.

831
00:33:09,459 --> 00:33:10,989
I'm very loving towards my people.

832
00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:18,039
Um, and I have had some really
amazing, really good looking men.

833
00:33:18,069 --> 00:33:18,459
Yes.

834
00:33:18,669 --> 00:33:21,189
Uh, come on to me and ask me out.

835
00:33:21,729 --> 00:33:27,649
And I feel so horrible when that happens
because I'm like, dude, if I could be bi

836
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:30,239
right now, I would so take you up on that.

837
00:33:30,239 --> 00:33:31,774
Like, we would go, I be dudes.

838
00:33:31,774 --> 00:33:33,534
You'd be mine, but yeah, exactly.

839
00:33:33,534 --> 00:33:36,539
Because I loved, uh, my kink
is I like to feel wanted.

840
00:33:36,629 --> 00:33:36,809
Yes.

841
00:33:36,809 --> 00:33:37,349
You know what I mean?

842
00:33:37,349 --> 00:33:39,869
Like I had, I had a childhood
where I never felt wanted.

843
00:33:39,899 --> 00:33:39,959
Yeah.

844
00:33:39,959 --> 00:33:45,449
So now I'm older and I'm experiencing
that feeling of, of being wanted

845
00:33:45,989 --> 00:33:49,619
and it's so flattering and it's so
wonderful and I love every bit of it.

846
00:33:50,564 --> 00:33:53,564
Um, but, and you know, I'm, I'm,
I'm always like, I'm so apologetic.

847
00:33:53,564 --> 00:33:54,644
I'm like, I'm so sorry.

848
00:33:54,914 --> 00:33:58,724
I wish I could, like, I wanna be
there with you and I'm so jealous.

849
00:33:58,724 --> 00:34:00,944
'cause right now the cheese
stands alone, but you know what?

850
00:34:00,944 --> 00:34:02,504
I love all you guys, so it's all good.

851
00:34:02,684 --> 00:34:03,704
But they become really good.

852
00:34:04,004 --> 00:34:04,274
You become

853
00:34:04,274 --> 00:34:04,844
an ally.

854
00:34:05,114 --> 00:34:05,324
There.

855
00:34:05,324 --> 00:34:06,039
We, there

856
00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:06,159
you go.

857
00:34:07,034 --> 00:34:13,274
An amazing mindset, you know, to just love
is love and you know, even if it's not

858
00:34:13,274 --> 00:34:18,644
for you to welcome it and accept it and
be friends and like, you know, even what

859
00:34:18,644 --> 00:34:22,874
we're doing right now to like, help shed
light on something that it's not for you,

860
00:34:22,874 --> 00:34:24,764
but you want to help and that's awesome.

861
00:34:24,769 --> 00:34:24,869
Yeah.

862
00:34:25,454 --> 00:34:25,874
Yeah.

863
00:34:25,874 --> 00:34:28,394
You know, I've met a lot of
people that struggle and, and you

864
00:34:28,394 --> 00:34:32,234
know, I just think that sometimes
people need the right resources.

865
00:34:32,414 --> 00:34:32,774
Yes.

866
00:34:32,834 --> 00:34:33,224
You know?

867
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:33,659
Mm-hmm.

868
00:34:34,124 --> 00:34:34,574
Yeah.

869
00:34:34,574 --> 00:34:36,254
Especially in this, in this day and age.

870
00:34:36,344 --> 00:34:36,979
Oh yeah.

871
00:34:37,964 --> 00:34:38,444
Yeah.

872
00:34:38,449 --> 00:34:41,534
And yeah, that struggle
can be so, so terrifying.

873
00:34:41,594 --> 00:34:45,944
Um, and Pris, you had
made, uh, a comment about.

874
00:34:46,349 --> 00:34:49,559
It being okay for, for women
or, I don't remember exactly

875
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:50,669
what the comment was, but yeah.

876
00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:54,239
Something popped into my mind at,
at that point, and it was about

877
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,219
women in the lifestyle community.

878
00:34:56,669 --> 00:34:57,239
You know what it was?

879
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,769
We were talking about the profiles.

880
00:34:59,249 --> 00:35:04,049
We have seen profiles that specifically
say, not just if you're, if you

881
00:35:04,049 --> 00:35:05,909
have a bi male, don't reach out.

882
00:35:06,149 --> 00:35:09,959
If you have a bi male, the
lady is not interested.

883
00:35:10,919 --> 00:35:15,899
And yes, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
speak a little bit to that.

884
00:35:15,959 --> 00:35:21,959
Um, I'll, I'll never forget, I was
kind of cruising this forum that

885
00:35:21,959 --> 00:35:24,659
was for women, for Mothers for Moms.

886
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:30,119
And it's, uh, it's a spicy
forum where we're all moms and

887
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:30,989
we're busy and we don't need,

888
00:35:30,989 --> 00:35:32,489
it is an after dark,

889
00:35:32,989 --> 00:35:33,879
moms after dark.

890
00:35:34,874 --> 00:35:34,964
It's

891
00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:37,124
like a group like that and the

892
00:35:37,124 --> 00:35:39,194
group that we wanna be in,
but we're not allowed in.

893
00:35:39,694 --> 00:35:40,114
Oh man.

894
00:35:40,609 --> 00:35:40,899
Okay.

895
00:35:41,399 --> 00:35:48,839
So, and when, and this is, it's happened
on more than one occasion, uh, a woman

896
00:35:48,839 --> 00:35:55,559
will go in there and she'll express
that her husband came out to her or

897
00:35:55,889 --> 00:36:01,139
that he's interested in pegging or
some type of bedroom play like that.

898
00:36:01,709 --> 00:36:05,819
And Pris, like, let me tell
you, is a woman, a woman?

899
00:36:05,999 --> 00:36:09,569
Like you think that these women are in
there straightening each other's crown

900
00:36:09,659 --> 00:36:11,129
and all that, lifting each other up?

901
00:36:11,309 --> 00:36:11,549
Nope.

902
00:36:12,049 --> 00:36:18,229
Tore these women down and the level of
heartbreak that I experienced mm-hmm.

903
00:36:18,469 --> 00:36:24,559
Seeing that, that these women were saying,
uh, oh girl, you know what that means?

904
00:36:24,889 --> 00:36:25,909
That means that he's gay.

905
00:36:25,909 --> 00:36:27,349
He's on his way to being gay.

906
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:34,369
So these women are ex in a, a really
fragile, almost emotional time to.

907
00:36:34,869 --> 00:36:39,399
They are looking for a place to
be anonymous and speak about this

908
00:36:39,399 --> 00:36:41,499
experience and look for support.

909
00:36:41,739 --> 00:36:45,819
So the first place they think of
to go for support is other women.

910
00:36:45,909 --> 00:36:46,119
Yeah.

911
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:48,669
And there should be two rules.

912
00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:53,229
One, when you're sick,
don't Google your symptoms.

913
00:36:53,729 --> 00:36:57,334
And two, when you're stuck in
your fuels, don't go it, don't go

914
00:36:57,339 --> 00:36:58,829
into a social media moms group.

915
00:36:58,829 --> 00:36:59,009
No.

916
00:36:59,099 --> 00:36:59,369
Right.

917
00:36:59,459 --> 00:36:59,909
Don't do it.

918
00:37:00,304 --> 00:37:00,774
Don't do it.

919
00:37:00,809 --> 00:37:01,019
No.

920
00:37:01,319 --> 00:37:06,869
Um, and it, it breaks, it breaks
my heart that this isn't, that,

921
00:37:06,869 --> 00:37:10,289
that it's not the place that you
can go because it, it should be.

922
00:37:10,439 --> 00:37:10,679
Mm-hmm.

923
00:37:10,685 --> 00:37:16,199
Because when it came to, you know, like
the, the civil rights of, you know, when

924
00:37:16,319 --> 00:37:19,769
gays were trying to get their rights and,
and they were doing their marches and they

925
00:37:19,769 --> 00:37:24,329
were, they were coming out and they were
doing all that when it came to gay men

926
00:37:24,689 --> 00:37:25,049
mm-hmm.

927
00:37:25,169 --> 00:37:27,809
Women were their first support.

928
00:37:27,809 --> 00:37:29,819
We were their best friend.

929
00:37:29,849 --> 00:37:31,619
We were their only friend.

930
00:37:32,144 --> 00:37:35,594
We became their mother, their
sister, we marched beside them.

931
00:37:35,984 --> 00:37:37,964
You know, we held their hands.

932
00:37:37,964 --> 00:37:39,374
We talked about boys.

933
00:37:39,464 --> 00:37:39,554
Mm-hmm.

934
00:37:39,794 --> 00:37:40,304
With them.

935
00:37:40,544 --> 00:37:40,694
Yep.

936
00:37:40,724 --> 00:37:44,654
You know, we were their love,
we were their anchor, you know,

937
00:37:44,654 --> 00:37:46,964
women artists and celebrities.

938
00:37:46,964 --> 00:37:50,114
What they did for the AIDS
crisis and the movement.

939
00:37:50,204 --> 00:37:50,294
Mm-hmm.

940
00:37:50,504 --> 00:37:50,834
You know,

941
00:37:50,894 --> 00:37:52,364
it was women, it was us.

942
00:37:52,544 --> 00:37:52,664
Mm-hmm.

943
00:37:53,384 --> 00:37:58,244
And to go into this group where,
you know, a woman is saying that

944
00:37:58,244 --> 00:38:02,864
my, my husband is expressing a
different sexuality, or he is, you

945
00:38:02,864 --> 00:38:06,464
know, wanting to have this different
type of sexual experience mm-hmm.

946
00:38:06,764 --> 00:38:09,524
And to be torn down by other women.

947
00:38:09,824 --> 00:38:10,034
Yeah.

948
00:38:10,274 --> 00:38:11,049
Like, I,

949
00:38:11,549 --> 00:38:13,559
it doesn't surprise me, which is horrible.

950
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:15,479
It doesn't surprise
me, but it is horrible.

951
00:38:15,479 --> 00:38:20,479
It's a, it's a very pigheaded,
I don't know, you live in a box

952
00:38:20,479 --> 00:38:22,399
under a rock type of situation.

953
00:38:23,209 --> 00:38:23,509
I'm educated.

954
00:38:23,509 --> 00:38:23,929
That's the difference.

955
00:38:24,829 --> 00:38:26,539
I totally agree.

956
00:38:26,659 --> 00:38:27,289
Ignorance.

957
00:38:27,289 --> 00:38:27,914
It's, it's, um.

958
00:38:28,414 --> 00:38:30,694
It's definitely alive and
it's definitely still there.

959
00:38:30,694 --> 00:38:38,224
I mean, like I said, my family was 100%
pigheaded and that's because we had family

960
00:38:38,224 --> 00:38:42,844
that were, you know, I have a, a cousin
who totally did a body transformation.

961
00:38:42,844 --> 00:38:46,804
She is now a male, you know, she's been
with her partner for like 30 years.

962
00:38:47,099 --> 00:38:48,094
Yeah, I have

963
00:38:48,274 --> 00:38:49,234
two cousins.

964
00:38:49,324 --> 00:38:51,184
One, they were both gay.

965
00:38:51,684 --> 00:38:52,914
They both got aids.

966
00:38:53,334 --> 00:38:56,304
And so of course that stigma
stays and it stays and it follows

967
00:38:56,304 --> 00:38:58,314
generations and it follows generations.

968
00:38:58,314 --> 00:39:03,534
And I'm not gonna lie to you, I
had a very horrible stigma about

969
00:39:03,774 --> 00:39:05,864
bisexual men for many years.

970
00:39:06,224 --> 00:39:09,704
And then something in my head
was just like, what the fuck?

971
00:39:10,064 --> 00:39:11,654
Like, why do I even.

972
00:39:12,569 --> 00:39:16,049
Well, I would hate for someone to look
at me that way, the way my family did.

973
00:39:16,049 --> 00:39:17,909
Why am I even like thinking like this?

974
00:39:17,909 --> 00:39:19,774
It was around the time
you came out because Yeah.

975
00:39:19,774 --> 00:39:20,819
And it took a lot of, I,

976
00:39:20,819 --> 00:39:27,179
uh, you know, I'm, I'm a very positive
person and, uh, and, and I'm one of those

977
00:39:27,179 --> 00:39:31,769
where I just, I don't really care what,
you know, what your preferences are Yeah.

978
00:39:31,769 --> 00:39:32,369
Or anything like that.

979
00:39:32,369 --> 00:39:37,049
I just see the person, you know, and,
uh, I, it would bug me when she would

980
00:39:37,049 --> 00:39:40,109
express these, these judgmental things
because I was that person that was

981
00:39:40,114 --> 00:39:41,189
like, and I'm like, you know what?

982
00:39:41,189 --> 00:39:44,549
Let's have a conversation about this
and let's talk about it, and, and

983
00:39:44,549 --> 00:39:48,749
let's get down to the brass tacks
as to why you have these thoughts.

984
00:39:48,899 --> 00:39:51,059
Because a lot, nobody's
born with these thoughts.

985
00:39:51,064 --> 00:39:51,284
Yeah,

986
00:39:51,284 --> 00:39:51,779
yeah, yeah.

987
00:39:51,779 --> 00:39:51,989
You know,

988
00:39:51,989 --> 00:39:54,479
this, we're all born as a blank canvas.

989
00:39:54,779 --> 00:39:59,309
It's the thoughts that are instilled
in us, either when we're growing up or

990
00:39:59,309 --> 00:40:01,644
what environment we're in or whatever.

991
00:40:01,704 --> 00:40:02,124
Mm-hmm.

992
00:40:02,204 --> 00:40:02,324
Yeah.

993
00:40:02,324 --> 00:40:03,869
That's where those things creep in.

994
00:40:03,869 --> 00:40:07,739
And when you can pinpoint it, you
can go all the way, way back to it

995
00:40:07,739 --> 00:40:09,689
and go, oh, that's why I think that.

996
00:40:09,899 --> 00:40:10,289
Yeah.

997
00:40:10,349 --> 00:40:11,169
And then you can go, oh.

998
00:40:11,819 --> 00:40:15,989
You look at where you got it from and go,
oh, well those guys, they fucking suck.

999
00:40:16,049 --> 00:40:17,129
Oh my God, why would

1000
00:40:17,129 --> 00:40:17,909
I, even, my

1001
00:40:17,909 --> 00:40:19,709
parents were entertain fucking idiots.

1002
00:40:19,709 --> 00:40:22,529
Like, oh my, like, seriously,
like, I literally looked at

1003
00:40:22,529 --> 00:40:24,479
him and I was like, oh my God.

1004
00:40:24,779 --> 00:40:25,019
Yeah.

1005
00:40:25,139 --> 00:40:26,639
That is so ignorant.

1006
00:40:26,699 --> 00:40:27,299
And just,

1007
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:34,309
and really, for us, my, my main
argument was we have, we have children.

1008
00:40:34,429 --> 00:40:34,579
Yeah.

1009
00:40:34,609 --> 00:40:39,319
And they come out to us, are you
going to be pigheaded about it?

1010
00:40:39,439 --> 00:40:41,689
Are you going to act
this way towards them?

1011
00:40:42,109 --> 00:40:44,239
And it's like, well,
no, those are our kids.

1012
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,879
Well, these people are somebody's kids.

1013
00:40:46,884 --> 00:40:46,954
Yeah.

1014
00:40:47,264 --> 00:40:47,554
Yeah.

1015
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:51,529
And they're people, like, there's
not, you know what I mean?

1016
00:40:51,529 --> 00:40:54,829
Like, it, it, it just, it was one
of those things, and these are the

1017
00:40:54,829 --> 00:40:58,639
conversations that need to be had because
not a lot of people think that way.

1018
00:40:58,644 --> 00:40:58,794
Mm-hmm.

1019
00:40:58,874 --> 00:40:59,234
Mm-hmm.

1020
00:40:59,329 --> 00:41:03,439
And the moment that you kind of
personalize it, and you put a face

1021
00:41:03,439 --> 00:41:06,919
to it and you put a name to it,
all of a sudden it's very real.

1022
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:07,789
And it's like, oh.

1023
00:41:08,644 --> 00:41:10,024
Yeah, I didn't think about that.

1024
00:41:10,234 --> 00:41:10,414
Yeah.

1025
00:41:10,414 --> 00:41:14,854
That is such an amazing, amazing,
and inspiring point, you know,

1026
00:41:14,854 --> 00:41:17,704
because the things that you have
learned that aren't true, they aren't

1027
00:41:17,704 --> 00:41:18,814
right, and that they're hurtful.

1028
00:41:18,814 --> 00:41:19,954
They can be unlearned.

1029
00:41:20,074 --> 00:41:20,194
Mm-hmm.

1030
00:41:20,434 --> 00:41:20,494
Yeah.

1031
00:41:20,524 --> 00:41:24,994
You know, and that is the whole,
you know, bring out those podcasts.

1032
00:41:25,294 --> 00:41:28,624
You know, let's, let's listen, let's,
let's go to events, let's create events.

1033
00:41:28,624 --> 00:41:34,084
Let's create spaces and times that we can
talk to, talk about it, and help people to

1034
00:41:34,804 --> 00:41:38,494
unlearn that, you know, spaces for women.

1035
00:41:38,824 --> 00:41:43,294
Just, you know, the, the partners, you
know, I, I say women, but when I, I try

1036
00:41:43,294 --> 00:41:48,214
to use the word partner because, you
know, there are gay men, you know, that

1037
00:41:48,214 --> 00:41:52,894
are in relationships with bi men, and
the struggle is, is exactly the same.

1038
00:41:53,194 --> 00:41:54,034
It's no different.

1039
00:41:54,184 --> 00:41:55,444
You know, whether you're, you're bi.

1040
00:41:55,774 --> 00:41:56,644
Oh yeah.

1041
00:41:56,799 --> 00:41:57,539
Is it that hard?

1042
00:41:57,979 --> 00:41:58,739
I didn't think about that.

1043
00:41:59,239 --> 00:41:59,929
What's that?

1044
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:01,249
I didn't think about that.

1045
00:42:01,249 --> 00:42:04,549
Yeah, I didn't think about two
men that are in a relationship

1046
00:42:04,549 --> 00:42:05,994
and maybe one is bi first.

1047
00:42:05,994 --> 00:42:06,104
Well, it's funny, didn't,

1048
00:42:06,104 --> 00:42:10,579
because we did a show, uh, in Chicago
with my, my high school friend.

1049
00:42:10,729 --> 00:42:11,269
Oh, Jeremy.

1050
00:42:11,779 --> 00:42:16,459
And he is, is full on gay
and he was in a relationship.

1051
00:42:17,059 --> 00:42:17,434
No, no, no.

1052
00:42:17,449 --> 00:42:18,409
That's what I was waiting for.

1053
00:42:18,409 --> 00:42:19,489
That's sounds, I was like, was that it?

1054
00:42:19,549 --> 00:42:19,954
Is it time?

1055
00:42:19,954 --> 00:42:21,199
I was like, I wish.

1056
00:42:21,199 --> 00:42:21,954
Looking like it's coming.

1057
00:42:22,264 --> 00:42:22,554
Yeah.

1058
00:42:22,879 --> 00:42:25,999
I saw your face and I was looking at
the clock and I was like, is it coming?

1059
00:42:25,999 --> 00:42:26,869
Is it, is it happening?

1060
00:42:27,369 --> 00:42:29,469
But this is the last one, and
then it's done for the night.

1061
00:42:29,469 --> 00:42:29,979
That's all right.

1062
00:42:30,479 --> 00:42:30,669
This clock.

1063
00:42:30,754 --> 00:42:31,694
So freaking Michael.

1064
00:42:32,459 --> 00:42:35,339
I feel like this clock is gonna be,
um, this sound is gonna be part of

1065
00:42:35,339 --> 00:42:36,899
our daughter daughter's core memory.

1066
00:42:37,379 --> 00:42:38,459
That's, yeah.

1067
00:42:38,609 --> 00:42:40,919
They're gonna have it for
the rest of their lives.

1068
00:42:41,014 --> 00:42:41,214
Yeah.

1069
00:42:42,059 --> 00:42:45,659
Like, she's literally gonna have
the, she's gonna be a one day

1070
00:42:45,659 --> 00:42:48,719
and she's gonna be like, that was
your great grandfather's clock.

1071
00:42:49,219 --> 00:42:52,489
When you're a kid, you look for the
things that made you feel comfortable

1072
00:42:52,489 --> 00:42:54,589
and safe in your, your home, you know?

1073
00:42:54,594 --> 00:42:54,664
Yeah.

1074
00:42:55,324 --> 00:42:55,894
Yeah,

1075
00:42:56,394 --> 00:42:56,814
I love that.

1076
00:42:56,814 --> 00:42:57,354
So wait, sorry.

1077
00:42:57,354 --> 00:42:58,314
It's very inconvenient right now.

1078
00:42:58,759 --> 00:42:59,244
No, no, no.

1079
00:42:59,244 --> 00:42:59,604
It's okay.

1080
00:42:59,604 --> 00:43:00,894
I'm trying to remember what I was saying.

1081
00:43:00,954 --> 00:43:01,854
Jeremy and, oh,

1082
00:43:01,854 --> 00:43:02,494
yeah, yeah, yeah.

1083
00:43:02,494 --> 00:43:02,874
Women.

1084
00:43:02,964 --> 00:43:03,504
That's right.

1085
00:43:04,014 --> 00:43:05,274
So any, so, yeah.

1086
00:43:05,274 --> 00:43:08,034
Jeremy is, is, is 100% gay.

1087
00:43:08,064 --> 00:43:08,274
Yeah.

1088
00:43:08,394 --> 00:43:14,964
And he realized in the show that he
is performing a sort of non-monogamy

1089
00:43:14,964 --> 00:43:20,514
because he's dating, uh, a married
man, uh, who's married to a, a woman.

1090
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:25,374
A woman, and, and he's dating another man
who's involved in another relationship.

1091
00:43:25,374 --> 00:43:27,834
So he is like, yeah, I'm, I'm,
I didn't realize this until

1092
00:43:27,834 --> 00:43:28,794
we had this conversation.

1093
00:43:28,884 --> 00:43:29,184
Yeah.

1094
00:43:29,244 --> 00:43:33,054
Uh, because he did not know that we
were non-monogamous prior to that.

1095
00:43:33,054 --> 00:43:36,534
It was like one of those episodes
that it's like, Hey, I wonder

1096
00:43:36,534 --> 00:43:37,704
what you would think about this.

1097
00:43:38,094 --> 00:43:42,864
And, you know, that's when we talked
about whether or not, you know, the

1098
00:43:42,864 --> 00:43:45,204
two circles or the two societies.

1099
00:43:45,624 --> 00:43:47,529
Are are very involved in each other.

1100
00:43:47,529 --> 00:43:47,929
Mm-hmm.

1101
00:43:48,009 --> 00:43:50,754
You know, I know that there's people
that have legs in both, but are they,

1102
00:43:51,114 --> 00:43:54,864
you know, and so we discovered a lot
from that conversation and I think

1103
00:43:54,864 --> 00:43:59,964
that a lot can be discovered from
having these kinds of conversations.

1104
00:44:00,204 --> 00:44:00,684
Yes, absolutely.

1105
00:44:00,684 --> 00:44:03,234
And, uh, you know, and I'm
gonna throw this out here, uh,

1106
00:44:03,264 --> 00:44:06,894
because it's worth saying 'cause
our listeners cannot see you.

1107
00:44:07,314 --> 00:44:13,194
Uh, we have, uh, their logo over, uh,
where their faces would normally be.

1108
00:44:13,194 --> 00:44:13,254
Yeah.

1109
00:44:13,254 --> 00:44:14,874
Because they're, they're,
they are discreet.

1110
00:44:15,084 --> 00:44:15,264
Yes.

1111
00:44:15,414 --> 00:44:17,514
Um, but I have to say this out loud.

1112
00:44:17,514 --> 00:44:19,164
You guys are, you guys
are a couple hotties.

1113
00:44:19,169 --> 00:44:19,409
Yeah.

1114
00:44:19,469 --> 00:44:19,809
I'm just saying.

1115
00:44:20,099 --> 00:44:20,569
Thank you.

1116
00:44:20,784 --> 00:44:20,994
Yeah.

1117
00:44:20,994 --> 00:44:23,064
Y'all, y'all are, y'all
are an attractive couple.

1118
00:44:23,064 --> 00:44:26,454
So, you know, just, I, I just, for
people who cannot see you, I just

1119
00:44:26,454 --> 00:44:27,449
wanted to throw that out then.

1120
00:44:28,109 --> 00:44:30,474
Oh, now I'm gonna go back to
being nervous again because

1121
00:44:30,474 --> 00:44:32,424
I think you guys are so sexy.

1122
00:44:32,924 --> 00:44:34,034
You were doing so good.

1123
00:44:34,034 --> 00:44:36,394
Now you're going back to being
nervous at you right over

1124
00:44:36,484 --> 00:44:36,814
here for minute.

1125
00:44:37,029 --> 00:44:37,249
But,

1126
00:44:37,924 --> 00:44:38,164
you know,

1127
00:44:38,164 --> 00:44:38,794
it is,

1128
00:44:39,544 --> 00:44:40,054
it's tough.

1129
00:44:40,054 --> 00:44:41,194
It's something that we wanna.

1130
00:44:41,944 --> 00:44:49,864
Get to at some point to be just
truly openly un unapologetically us.

1131
00:44:50,734 --> 00:44:54,004
And there's just that little bit
of like the nerves of like, well,

1132
00:44:54,004 --> 00:44:58,099
what if like, you know, like with,
with Jo, more so my job, it's legit.

1133
00:44:58,099 --> 00:44:58,299
Yeah.

1134
00:44:58,299 --> 00:45:01,084
It's, it's honestly mostly the, the job.

1135
00:45:01,264 --> 00:45:01,384
Yeah.

1136
00:45:01,414 --> 00:45:03,244
Right now it is.

1137
00:45:03,244 --> 00:45:08,644
I wanna say a hundred percent, uh,
the jobs, if we didn't have that, you

1138
00:45:08,644 --> 00:45:11,044
know, and, and that sucks that you

1139
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:14,164
can't, like there apps that we
have or I have that, like as soon

1140
00:45:14,164 --> 00:45:17,344
as I see somebody that I work
with, they're blocked immediately.

1141
00:45:17,344 --> 00:45:18,784
I don't even wanna start a conversation.

1142
00:45:18,784 --> 00:45:22,084
I don't wanna give them the
opportunity to maybe recognize me.

1143
00:45:22,084 --> 00:45:22,504
Just like,

1144
00:45:22,624 --> 00:45:23,854
because that's our livelihood.

1145
00:45:23,854 --> 00:45:24,634
Let's just head it off

1146
00:45:24,634 --> 00:45:25,594
with the past, you know?

1147
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:25,639
Yeah.

1148
00:45:25,644 --> 00:45:26,044
And so

1149
00:45:26,044 --> 00:45:32,314
it's unfortunate that, you know,
we can't, because we know that the

1150
00:45:32,314 --> 00:45:38,054
background of the companies, um, well
maybe yours might change soon, but it's.

1151
00:45:38,879 --> 00:45:40,799
Christian sort of Yeah.

1152
00:45:41,099 --> 00:45:43,199
Owns, if you will, you know, and,

1153
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:44,339
but they're, yeah.

1154
00:45:44,369 --> 00:45:45,869
I mean, they're big and, um,

1155
00:45:46,799 --> 00:45:47,549
I understand.

1156
00:45:47,549 --> 00:45:47,939
Yeah.

1157
00:45:47,939 --> 00:45:48,209
I,

1158
00:45:48,444 --> 00:45:50,789
I don't wanna call it like, like,
like the, like what would I say?

1159
00:45:50,789 --> 00:45:52,259
Like the wokeness, but

1160
00:45:52,829 --> 00:45:53,519
they try, there's a lot

1161
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:56,189
of groups that they're trying
to do, they try to get involved.

1162
00:45:56,189 --> 00:45:56,369
Really?

1163
00:45:56,369 --> 00:45:56,429
Yeah.

1164
00:45:56,429 --> 00:45:57,659
Trying to be modernized.

1165
00:45:57,689 --> 00:45:57,989
Yeah.

1166
00:45:58,074 --> 00:45:58,364
Yeah.

1167
00:45:58,369 --> 00:46:01,169
Women's groups, uh, yeah.

1168
00:46:01,349 --> 00:46:01,979
Everything.

1169
00:46:01,979 --> 00:46:03,119
But, but when it comes

1170
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:07,169
to, but I think that when it comes
to folks at a certain level mm-hmm.

1171
00:46:07,409 --> 00:46:07,649
Yeah.

1172
00:46:07,649 --> 00:46:07,659
Yeah.

1173
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:12,749
You know, um, they're probably
not going to want that.

1174
00:46:12,749 --> 00:46:17,219
And they probably also don't want
us to be linked to our podcast.

1175
00:46:17,224 --> 00:46:17,534
Correct.

1176
00:46:17,534 --> 00:46:17,734
Yeah.

1177
00:46:17,734 --> 00:46:19,889
Because podcast is very real and very raw.

1178
00:46:19,889 --> 00:46:25,769
So even if we do come to a point where
we say, screw it, and we're wrapping

1179
00:46:25,769 --> 00:46:30,989
ourselves in bi pride flags and showing
up to work, we still won't link ourselves.

1180
00:46:31,439 --> 00:46:33,029
To the, the podcast, you know?

1181
00:46:33,029 --> 00:46:33,089
Yeah.

1182
00:46:33,089 --> 00:46:36,689
We were not gonna, you know, hand
out podcast cards at, at work.

1183
00:46:36,899 --> 00:46:37,944
Um, I've been trying,

1184
00:46:38,894 --> 00:46:42,449
I've been trying to convince Ashley
to be my sugar mama for a while now.

1185
00:46:42,454 --> 00:46:42,904
There you

1186
00:46:42,904 --> 00:46:42,984
go.

1187
00:46:42,994 --> 00:46:43,824
Especially now.

1188
00:46:43,979 --> 00:46:46,469
If you wanna be my sugar mama, then
we don't have to worry about it.

1189
00:46:46,469 --> 00:46:48,089
We could put our faces out and everything.

1190
00:46:48,089 --> 00:46:48,569
It'll be fine.

1191
00:46:48,629 --> 00:46:48,749
No,

1192
00:46:48,749 --> 00:46:49,019
because

1193
00:46:49,019 --> 00:46:51,029
if I have to work more,
who's gonna edit the podcast?

1194
00:46:51,529 --> 00:46:51,709
I learn

1195
00:46:51,709 --> 00:46:51,799
shit.

1196
00:46:51,799 --> 00:46:53,029
I'm, I'm Adam Sugar mama.

1197
00:46:53,034 --> 00:46:54,679
He has to do all the podcast

1198
00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:54,799
stuff.

1199
00:46:55,459 --> 00:46:55,539
Yeah, I know.

1200
00:46:55,539 --> 00:46:57,679
I was, I was laid off, uh, in August.

1201
00:46:57,679 --> 00:46:58,429
In August, yeah.

1202
00:46:58,434 --> 00:47:03,709
But I worked for a comp for a company that
was initially ran and owned by Canadians.

1203
00:47:04,219 --> 00:47:09,109
So it didn't matter what my sexual
preference was or what I do or anything

1204
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:11,179
like that, they don't ask no questions.

1205
00:47:11,569 --> 00:47:12,919
Uh, and so that was nice.

1206
00:47:12,949 --> 00:47:18,619
But of course, if you really don't
want to worry about that kind of, and

1207
00:47:18,619 --> 00:47:21,199
having to be discreet, uh, I mean.

1208
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:24,109
It's one of those things where you
kind of have to work for yourself

1209
00:47:24,109 --> 00:47:26,779
if you're gonna, you know, be open
because you're gonna deal with

1210
00:47:26,779 --> 00:47:28,219
judgment no matter what anywhere.

1211
00:47:28,249 --> 00:47:28,429
Yeah.

1212
00:47:28,789 --> 00:47:32,839
Uh, we came out initially, or she came
out and then we came out as, as poll.

1213
00:47:33,649 --> 00:47:36,649
Um, because we had a a, an
accounting business at the time

1214
00:47:36,739 --> 00:47:39,229
and we worked for ourselves.

1215
00:47:39,229 --> 00:47:40,909
And it was like, what are we afraid of?

1216
00:47:40,909 --> 00:47:41,509
Who cares?

1217
00:47:41,539 --> 00:47:43,399
What's, who's gonna say
what, what are we gonna lose?

1218
00:47:43,399 --> 00:47:44,059
Some customers?

1219
00:47:44,059 --> 00:47:44,419
Fuck them.

1220
00:47:44,454 --> 00:47:44,754
You know?

1221
00:47:45,254 --> 00:47:45,474
So

1222
00:47:45,474 --> 00:47:50,279
did you guys find that one was, uh,
like more challenging than the other,

1223
00:47:50,279 --> 00:47:55,469
or one had more of an impact, like
your sexuality versus being poly?

1224
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:58,679
So, I will say that coming out right.

1225
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:04,259
I, I wanna say that coming out as
poly is, was was harder to explain

1226
00:48:04,259 --> 00:48:06,269
to the kids and, and harder to

1227
00:48:06,659 --> 00:48:07,379
explain to anybody.

1228
00:48:07,379 --> 00:48:08,609
To explain to anybody.

1229
00:48:08,609 --> 00:48:08,729
Yeah.

1230
00:48:08,759 --> 00:48:09,839
Because of our relationship.

1231
00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:10,559
We're so close.

1232
00:48:10,564 --> 00:48:10,594
Yeah.

1233
00:48:11,069 --> 00:48:11,369
Yeah.

1234
00:48:11,579 --> 00:48:13,589
And we were like, oh, he's
gonna, and we even got, we got

1235
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:16,109
judgment from, from Swingers Yeah.

1236
00:48:16,114 --> 00:48:18,119
When we came out as poly
because they were like.

1237
00:48:18,569 --> 00:48:20,519
Oh, you guys are gonna be
divorced in like a year.

1238
00:48:20,669 --> 00:48:20,759
Mm-hmm.

1239
00:48:21,029 --> 00:48:23,999
There's no way you guys, you
guys love each other too much.

1240
00:48:23,999 --> 00:48:25,379
Y'all are all touchy feely.

1241
00:48:25,379 --> 00:48:27,479
Like we're always on top of
each other, like all the time.

1242
00:48:27,989 --> 00:48:31,709
And so for us to say, yeah, we're
gonna date separately and we're

1243
00:48:31,709 --> 00:48:33,989
gonna date together and we're
gonna kind of do this thing.

1244
00:48:33,989 --> 00:48:37,589
And, and I had people reaching
out to me and going, don't do it,

1245
00:48:37,649 --> 00:48:37,889
man.

1246
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:38,669
Don't do it.

1247
00:48:39,329 --> 00:48:41,069
And I was like, man, I'm
not even worried about that.

1248
00:48:41,069 --> 00:48:41,789
We're secure.

1249
00:48:41,879 --> 00:48:42,929
Like this is not a thing.

1250
00:48:42,929 --> 00:48:42,989
Yeah.

1251
00:48:43,049 --> 00:48:48,479
But everybody is going to pretend or
think that they know what's best for you.

1252
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:51,509
And the only people that know
who what's best for you are you?

1253
00:48:51,644 --> 00:48:51,934
Yeah.

1254
00:48:52,169 --> 00:48:52,739
And nobody

1255
00:48:52,739 --> 00:48:54,089
else lives in your four walls.

1256
00:48:54,509 --> 00:48:54,659
No.

1257
00:48:54,659 --> 00:48:55,559
And you know what?

1258
00:48:55,769 --> 00:48:59,969
Your house is your safe zone, but
you carry that wherever you go.

1259
00:48:59,969 --> 00:49:04,499
So you have to be safe inside yourself
and you have to be happy inside yourself.

1260
00:49:04,499 --> 00:49:08,639
And that's really hard if you're worrying
about getting judgment from other people.

1261
00:49:08,729 --> 00:49:09,749
And that sucks.

1262
00:49:09,869 --> 00:49:10,529
You know what I mean?

1263
00:49:10,829 --> 00:49:11,999
Like that's not fun.

1264
00:49:12,449 --> 00:49:14,639
Um, so that's really where.

1265
00:49:15,059 --> 00:49:18,899
You know, like we're, we're big
onto, uh, you know, we, we respect

1266
00:49:18,899 --> 00:49:22,859
everybody's discretion because
what it comes down to, it is jobs.

1267
00:49:23,339 --> 00:49:26,669
Uh, a lot of people don't really
care what other people think.

1268
00:49:26,669 --> 00:49:28,439
I think there's a lot of people
that are like, Hey, you know,

1269
00:49:28,979 --> 00:49:29,789
hit the bricks, you know?

1270
00:49:29,789 --> 00:49:29,849
Yeah.

1271
00:49:29,849 --> 00:49:34,199
If you don't like what I do,
but nobody wants to be judged at

1272
00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:37,799
work and then have to lose, lose
their livelihood on top of that.

1273
00:49:37,799 --> 00:49:37,859
Yeah.

1274
00:49:37,859 --> 00:49:39,839
Like, that's, that's frigging scary, man.

1275
00:49:39,989 --> 00:49:40,379
Yeah.

1276
00:49:40,379 --> 00:49:42,839
But you, we like the polyness
or the swinging part.

1277
00:49:42,839 --> 00:49:43,619
Is that what you were asking?

1278
00:49:43,619 --> 00:49:44,879
Like which one was the better?

1279
00:49:45,329 --> 00:49:45,569
Yeah.

1280
00:49:45,569 --> 00:49:47,279
He hasn't podcast

1281
00:49:47,779 --> 00:49:51,409
coming out as bi one was, and you
talked about coming out as poly.

1282
00:49:51,409 --> 00:49:53,449
I sound like which one was
more difficult for you?

1283
00:49:54,086 --> 00:49:56,001
Um, the, the poly.

1284
00:49:56,501 --> 00:49:58,991
The poll, because I knew I was gonna
get a lot of judgment from that.

1285
00:49:59,771 --> 00:50:02,501
Um, but both of us were gonna get
a lot because they were gonna be

1286
00:50:02,501 --> 00:50:06,071
like, like he said, like, why, why
would you do that and aren't you?

1287
00:50:06,191 --> 00:50:09,901
I mean, of course we always get the aren't
you jealous and he's gonna leave you?

1288
00:50:09,901 --> 00:50:10,381
Oh, you and oh, you

1289
00:50:10,381 --> 00:50:12,841
guys are just looking for a,
a way to cheat on each other.

1290
00:50:12,841 --> 00:50:12,901
Yeah.

1291
00:50:13,471 --> 00:50:15,781
Um, I, so that was,
that was harder for me.

1292
00:50:16,231 --> 00:50:16,891
That was, that was

1293
00:50:16,891 --> 00:50:19,891
definitely, you would think that,
you know, from the community, even

1294
00:50:19,891 --> 00:50:22,681
people not in the community that
are seeking to understand that the

1295
00:50:22,681 --> 00:50:27,811
first things that they would say is,
wow, that is a strong foundation.

1296
00:50:27,811 --> 00:50:31,831
Like, I, or they would,
how did you do that?

1297
00:50:32,161 --> 00:50:33,996
Give me the secret, you know?

1298
00:50:34,681 --> 00:50:35,101
Yeah.

1299
00:50:35,641 --> 00:50:39,781
So it shocks me, and it sounds so similar,
you know, to a coming out experience

1300
00:50:39,781 --> 00:50:44,011
for, you know, bi guys, you know, some
of the, the feedback that you got or some

1301
00:50:44,011 --> 00:50:50,431
of that, that judgment is really, really,
walks the same exact line, you know?

1302
00:50:50,821 --> 00:50:53,911
Um, people automatically know.

1303
00:50:54,481 --> 00:50:55,741
How your journey ends.

1304
00:50:55,981 --> 00:50:58,681
They know how your relationship ends.

1305
00:50:58,921 --> 00:50:59,041
Yeah.

1306
00:50:59,041 --> 00:51:03,001
You know, they're, they're doing
you a favor by letting you know,

1307
00:51:03,001 --> 00:51:05,281
spoiler alert, he's gonna leave you.

1308
00:51:05,281 --> 00:51:06,166
You know?

1309
00:51:06,266 --> 00:51:06,806
That's right.

1310
00:51:07,306 --> 00:51:12,561
No, he, he gave me more of who he is.

1311
00:51:12,561 --> 00:51:12,571
Mm-hmm.

1312
00:51:12,921 --> 00:51:18,531
You know, and we have conversations
that a lot of other couples, I mean,

1313
00:51:18,531 --> 00:51:22,311
they, they could only pray to get
to that, that level of openness when

1314
00:51:22,311 --> 00:51:26,571
it comes to sharing each other's
fantasies, sharing each other's desires.

1315
00:51:26,901 --> 00:51:27,921
You know, without being

1316
00:51:27,921 --> 00:51:28,311
judged.

1317
00:51:28,551 --> 00:51:28,761
Yeah.

1318
00:51:28,851 --> 00:51:29,121
Without

1319
00:51:29,121 --> 00:51:29,511
being judged.

1320
00:51:29,871 --> 00:51:30,171
Yeah.

1321
00:51:30,201 --> 00:51:30,861
Yes.

1322
00:51:30,951 --> 00:51:37,641
And so when Rob came out to me early on,
it was, it was almost like getting a gift.

1323
00:51:38,061 --> 00:51:40,071
It was almost like getting more of him.

1324
00:51:40,071 --> 00:51:43,581
Like, oh, I already have this
amazing man, and he's awesome.

1325
00:51:43,581 --> 00:51:43,881
You're getting

1326
00:51:43,881 --> 00:51:44,121
more,

1327
00:51:44,301 --> 00:51:44,541
yeah.

1328
00:51:44,541 --> 00:51:45,111
I'm no kidding.

1329
00:51:45,611 --> 00:51:47,226
I, me, I mean, like this sense of

1330
00:51:47,921 --> 00:51:49,241
you, you're in it for the long run.

1331
00:51:49,271 --> 00:51:49,331
Yeah.

1332
00:51:49,831 --> 00:51:56,571
It really, but it really, it, um, it
really unlocks another whole portion of

1333
00:51:56,571 --> 00:52:02,331
who a person is once they trust you enough
to share their sexuality, just like you,

1334
00:52:02,331 --> 00:52:08,091
you did with Adam, you know, and now the,
the conversations that open up along those

1335
00:52:08,091 --> 00:52:11,901
lines, okay, you've just told me that
you're bisexual or gay, or whatever it is.

1336
00:52:12,441 --> 00:52:13,521
Tell me about that.

1337
00:52:14,031 --> 00:52:14,361
You know?

1338
00:52:14,366 --> 00:52:14,636
Mm-hmm.

1339
00:52:14,716 --> 00:52:21,921
And just that sentence, it unlocks
waves of what your journey has been

1340
00:52:21,921 --> 00:52:26,751
like, how you've, how you've been hurt
from it, how you've had to hide the

1341
00:52:26,751 --> 00:52:31,521
moments that you've embraced it, you
know, the pieces of you that make you

1342
00:52:31,521 --> 00:52:34,911
beautiful or the pieces of you that
you're still hiding from yourself.

1343
00:52:35,151 --> 00:52:40,491
And now you get to start this journey
together to find the rest of you.

1344
00:52:40,491 --> 00:52:42,351
We're still finding Oh yeah.

1345
00:52:42,351 --> 00:52:43,196
People of him.

1346
00:52:43,246 --> 00:52:43,596
Right.

1347
00:52:43,856 --> 00:52:44,631
And, you know,

1348
00:52:44,691 --> 00:52:48,171
not just sexuality, but
like between the four of us.

1349
00:52:48,671 --> 00:52:52,781
I think we can all think of a
time, whether it's with current

1350
00:52:52,781 --> 00:52:54,401
partners, past partners, whoever.

1351
00:52:55,361 --> 00:52:59,831
There's a time where you sat
down probably in a dimly lit room

1352
00:52:59,831 --> 00:53:00,911
in a car or something, right?

1353
00:53:01,391 --> 00:53:05,651
And you are just letting everything
about yourself out and you're having

1354
00:53:05,651 --> 00:53:08,741
that deepest of deep conversations.

1355
00:53:09,311 --> 00:53:14,111
And it's those moments where like
the entire universe disappears.

1356
00:53:14,111 --> 00:53:18,161
Like nothing exists outside
of that conversation.

1357
00:53:18,791 --> 00:53:24,221
And it's like the most powerful moment
of connection that can happen, right?

1358
00:53:24,221 --> 00:53:28,451
And then when you tie that into, if
you are somebody that has a sexuality

1359
00:53:28,451 --> 00:53:32,831
that's in hiding that you can't
share, like being able to have that

1360
00:53:32,981 --> 00:53:38,821
level of depth and conversation about
something that's so, I don't know,

1361
00:53:38,821 --> 00:53:41,161
sacred, whatever you want to call it.

1362
00:53:41,761 --> 00:53:42,001
Yeah.

1363
00:53:42,001 --> 00:53:42,811
It's, it makes it

1364
00:53:42,811 --> 00:53:46,891
like that much more powerful that
like, I have found this person,

1365
00:53:47,341 --> 00:53:48,631
I can have this conversation.

1366
00:53:48,811 --> 00:53:51,601
And like, you wanna live
in that moment forever.

1367
00:53:51,961 --> 00:53:52,351
Yeah.

1368
00:53:52,741 --> 00:53:53,191
Yeah.

1369
00:53:53,431 --> 00:53:55,351
That level of, of trust.

1370
00:53:55,351 --> 00:53:59,191
And one, one thing that I think
is important to say too is

1371
00:53:59,671 --> 00:54:01,291
we are on a swingers podcast.

1372
00:54:01,291 --> 00:54:03,196
We are all swingers,
we're in the lifestyle.

1373
00:54:03,936 --> 00:54:08,491
And I, I just wanna make it clear that
when it comes to mixed orientation

1374
00:54:08,641 --> 00:54:12,151
relationships, so whether you're straight
with someone who's come out to you as

1375
00:54:12,151 --> 00:54:17,551
gay or bisexual, or you're a bisexual
man with a bisexual woman, not every

1376
00:54:17,581 --> 00:54:20,251
mixed orientation relationship has to.

1377
00:54:21,061 --> 00:54:25,381
Go into ethical non-monogamy or into the
swinging world or into the lifestyle.

1378
00:54:25,621 --> 00:54:33,421
I wanna make it absolutely clear that you
can be monogamous or poly or ENM and in a

1379
00:54:33,421 --> 00:54:36,061
mixed orientation relationship and thrive.

1380
00:54:36,361 --> 00:54:40,411
Because when it comes down to the brass
tacks of being able to thrive in that

1381
00:54:40,411 --> 00:54:42,361
relationship, it's the communication.

1382
00:54:42,361 --> 00:54:45,721
And that's where you're gonna
find your journey or your path.

1383
00:54:45,991 --> 00:54:51,271
And you, like you guys, you tried poly
and said, yeah, we're not, we gave it

1384
00:54:51,271 --> 00:54:52,591
a fair shake five years.

1385
00:54:52,591 --> 00:54:52,741
Yeah.

1386
00:54:53,101 --> 00:54:56,101
And you can turn back and you
use that communication Yeah.

1387
00:54:56,251 --> 00:54:56,371
Yeah.

1388
00:54:56,376 --> 00:55:00,181
To, to reroute or try
something new or, or different.

1389
00:55:00,421 --> 00:55:03,091
And you're still, you still
come out on the other side, you

1390
00:55:03,091 --> 00:55:07,471
know, healthy and in a thriving
relationship, that trust never leaves.

1391
00:55:07,471 --> 00:55:12,061
It's that journey doesn't have
to end in only one, one way.

1392
00:55:12,511 --> 00:55:12,931
Yeah.

1393
00:55:13,141 --> 00:55:13,351
Yeah.

1394
00:55:13,351 --> 00:55:16,201
Well, you know, the goal
should always be to grow.

1395
00:55:16,501 --> 00:55:16,711
Yes.

1396
00:55:16,741 --> 00:55:21,991
To grow as a person, to grow in life, to
grow as how, how we think, how we feel.

1397
00:55:22,381 --> 00:55:26,011
Uh, you know, everything is, is
learned and we, we learn from

1398
00:55:26,071 --> 00:55:27,421
everybody that's around us.

1399
00:55:27,991 --> 00:55:33,361
But really, if you just take the time
to evaluate ourselves and just kind of

1400
00:55:33,361 --> 00:55:36,151
go, okay, I, I gotta get better at this.

1401
00:55:36,156 --> 00:55:36,376
Mm-hmm.

1402
00:55:36,576 --> 00:55:39,541
I, I, I gotta, I gotta learn this better.

1403
00:55:39,991 --> 00:55:44,131
And I think that, that most
people, uh, are afraid to do that.

1404
00:55:44,761 --> 00:55:49,521
Um, but luckily we have people
like yourselves and, and us.

1405
00:55:49,521 --> 00:55:51,891
We are, we are all very
open-minded, and we all like to

1406
00:55:52,281 --> 00:55:54,171
talk and have those conversations.

1407
00:55:54,621 --> 00:55:58,161
And, uh, you know, I gotta say, I, I'm
gonna, I'm gonna go ahead and wrap this

1408
00:55:58,161 --> 00:56:01,401
up because I'm gonna, I talk to you
guys all night and, and I know it's

1409
00:56:01,401 --> 00:56:03,261
gonna be problematic for all four of us.

1410
00:56:03,891 --> 00:56:08,691
Uh, but, but I, I do want
to say that I, I really.

1411
00:56:09,246 --> 00:56:11,406
I love everything that you guys are about.

1412
00:56:11,406 --> 00:56:12,906
I love y'all's personality.

1413
00:56:12,936 --> 00:56:15,396
It, I mean, your love for
each other shines through,

1414
00:56:15,396 --> 00:56:16,626
which I think is incredible.

1415
00:56:17,136 --> 00:56:19,806
. I, I'm really glad that we
could have you guys on the show.

1416
00:56:19,856 --> 00:56:25,526
And, uh, you know, I, I'm really
glad that we can have this podcast to

1417
00:56:25,526 --> 00:56:29,816
refer to others who may be struggling,
who need somebody to talk to.

1418
00:56:30,236 --> 00:56:33,356
Uh, we like to be there
for all of our listeners.

1419
00:56:33,476 --> 00:56:38,546
You know, we, we are reachable by
Messenger or email or whatever, however

1420
00:56:38,546 --> 00:56:40,946
they can, uh, for whatever they need to.

1421
00:56:41,396 --> 00:56:47,416
And you guys seem to really be open
and, and genuine and you know, it

1422
00:56:48,196 --> 00:56:50,356
easy to be vulnerable with Yes.

1423
00:56:50,356 --> 00:56:51,441
Which, you know, I think.

1424
00:56:51,941 --> 00:56:55,451
You provide a safe space for people,
and I think that's a beautiful thing.

1425
00:56:55,721 --> 00:56:59,341
And so, uh, Ashley and Rob, you two
are doing incredible work and this

1426
00:56:59,341 --> 00:57:03,601
conversation is exactly why we started
Beyond monogamy in the first place,

1427
00:57:03,601 --> 00:57:07,681
to keep creating space for real
stories, real people, and real love.

1428
00:57:08,131 --> 00:57:09,811
Uh, no matter what that looks like.

1429
00:57:10,321 --> 00:57:13,471
Yeah, it's a couple like you who
remind everyone that bisexuality

1430
00:57:13,531 --> 00:57:18,001
isn't a phase or a problem, it's
just another part of who someone is.

1431
00:57:18,001 --> 00:57:21,331
And the partner support exploration
with honesty and empathy.

1432
00:57:21,661 --> 00:57:22,891
That's all what we need.

1433
00:57:22,891 --> 00:57:24,691
Like, that's what we thrive for.

1434
00:57:24,696 --> 00:57:27,391
So it doesn't break a
relationship, it deepens

1435
00:57:27,601 --> 00:57:27,661
it.

1436
00:57:27,661 --> 00:57:28,021
Yeah.

1437
00:57:28,621 --> 00:57:31,411
Uh, if you want to keep up with
Ashley and Rob, make sure to follow

1438
00:57:31,411 --> 00:57:33,541
The United bi Swinging Podcast.

1439
00:57:33,721 --> 00:57:37,081
Wherever you listen, wherever you
stream those podcasts, wherever you

1440
00:57:37,081 --> 00:57:38,671
find us, you'll find them as well.

1441
00:57:38,971 --> 00:57:42,721
And they're on TikTok, so
be sure and scope that out.

1442
00:57:42,721 --> 00:57:46,951
Pretty much everything Ashley and
Rob and United bi Swinging can be

1443
00:57:46,951 --> 00:57:48,481
found on our show notes mm-hmm.

1444
00:57:48,991 --> 00:57:52,501
Uh, as well as their, uh,
guest profile on our website.

1445
00:57:52,741 --> 00:57:53,281
Yes.

1446
00:57:53,281 --> 00:57:56,641
And while you're added, make sure you
check out all the things beyond monogamy.

1447
00:57:56,641 --> 00:58:01,171
At beyond-monogamy.com, you'll
find all of our upcoming events.

1448
00:58:02,146 --> 00:58:05,446
Our Beyond Monogamy, confessional, and
the links to every platform we're on.

1449
00:58:05,686 --> 00:58:06,226
Yes.

1450
00:58:06,946 --> 00:58:10,516
You can also catch us every Thursday
at 2:00 PM and 7:00 PM Central on full

1451
00:58:10,516 --> 00:58:15,526
swap radio.com, alongside a ton of
other sex positive shows that we love.

1452
00:58:16,216 --> 00:58:20,056
If this conversation resonated with
you, help us keep growing, like share,

1453
00:58:20,056 --> 00:58:21,856
review the show wherever you listen.

1454
00:58:22,186 --> 00:58:22,726
It's free.

1455
00:58:22,726 --> 00:58:25,426
It takes a second, and it helps
new people find these conversations

1456
00:58:25,426 --> 00:58:26,356
that deserve to be heard.

1457
00:58:26,866 --> 00:58:27,526
Exactly.

1458
00:58:27,796 --> 00:58:29,416
We're building something real here.

1459
00:58:29,416 --> 00:58:34,096
A judgment free community for open
minds and open hearts and every review,

1460
00:58:34,096 --> 00:58:38,386
every share, every listener who says,
oh damn, I thought I was the only one.

1461
00:58:39,106 --> 00:58:40,756
That's how this movement keeps growing.

1462
00:58:40,876 --> 00:58:41,146
Yeah.

1463
00:58:41,146 --> 00:58:42,466
So thank you for being here.

1464
00:58:42,966 --> 00:58:43,416
Yes.

1465
00:58:43,476 --> 00:58:47,646
And uh, Ashley and Rob, thank you
for being a part of this journey.

1466
00:58:48,126 --> 00:58:50,436
Thank you, uh, to all of our listeners.

1467
00:58:50,436 --> 00:58:51,756
Thank you for tuning in.

1468
00:58:51,786 --> 00:58:51,906
Yeah.

1469
00:58:51,906 --> 00:58:53,616
And we will see you guys next week.

1470
00:58:53,976 --> 00:58:54,336
Bye.