The Kinky Bros: Two Brothers Bond Over Rubber, Leather & Kink

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All right, y'all.

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Before we dive in, a quick heads-up This
show is raw, real, and definitely not

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rated PG We're talking about adult themes,
sexual content, and the kinda stuff you

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probably don't want blasting through
your speakers at work or around your

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kids So grab some headphones, pour your
drink of choice, and get comfy Oh, and

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just so we're clear, we are not licensed
therapists, counselors, or sex couches.

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Sex coaches.

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Sex coaches.

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Not sex couches We're just a couple of
people sharing our lives, experiences, and

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sexy adventures in ethical non-monogamy.

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So with that, pull up a chair and
enjoy the show Hello, and welcome to

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another episode of Beyond Monogamy.

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I'm Adam.

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And I'm Pris.

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And today, we've got a duo I
am genuinely excited about.

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Now, I gotta tell you, I, I, I am guilty
of not really listening to podcasts.

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Yeah.

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It's not really my thing.

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Yeah.

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Um, and it's weird being a
podcast host and not listening

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to podcasts, but this one podcast
has really, really got me hooked.

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Okay.

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I can't stop listening to them.

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There's two brothers.

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Okay.

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One gay, one straight, both deep
in the kink world, who somehow

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ended up realizing that they'd been
exploring kink separately for years.

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Oh.

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Yeah.

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And they never talked
about it with each other.

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That discovery didn't just bring them
closer, it actually turned into a

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really, really freaking cool podcast.

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All righty.

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So please welcome Gryff and Jason,
hosts of the Kinky Brothers podcast.

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Is it Kinky Bros? Kinky Bros. Kinky
Bros. The Kinky Bros- Bros … Podcast.

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'Cause they're bros. All right.

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That's right.

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Now, before we get into it, if
you're new here, for our listeners

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out there, hit Subscribe wherever
you're listening or watch right now,

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'cause you don't wanna miss this one.

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It gets real.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So welcome to Beyond Monogamy, you guys.

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I'm- Hey, thanks for having us on.

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Thank you.

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He just- We're excited to be here.

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Yeah, he just told me so
much information right now.

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I was like, "Okay." So y'all didn't know
y'all were both into different kinks?

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We had no idea.

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Huh.

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No idea.

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It was, uh- I mean, how did this happen?

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How did this happen?

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How did this happen?

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Yeah.

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It was, it was accidental, actually.

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So we live in different cities, and,
you know, we'll text and call each

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other, you know, every once in a while.

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Yeah.

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And, and, uh, we happened, my
husband and I happened to be…

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I'm the gay one, by the way.

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Hi.

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Uh, my, but my husband and I happened
to be watching a TV show on Netflix

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called How to Build a Sex Room.

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Uh-huh.

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Uh, if you haven't seen
it, I highly recommend it.

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I have.

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It's a great- I have not, so I
will- Highly recommend that show.

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Highly recommend.

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Okay.

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It's this adorable British lady
that does the most incredible sex

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rooms, and it's really, really cool.

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So we were watching this show, and Jason
called me or texted me, I can't remember

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which, but he, you know, I wanted shock
value, so I was like, "Oh, we're watching

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this show called How to Build a Sex Room,"
waiting for the shock to set in, and

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instead I got, "Oh, we love that show.

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We watch it, too." And so then it
just started a whole conversation that

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snowballed over the next couple of hours,
and pictures were exchanged, and things

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were talked about that probably shouldn't
have been talked about, but here we are.

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I mean, you're- We, our, our, our
significant others were, like- Mortified

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mortified of the conversations
that we were having that night.

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I can't even imagine.

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Okay.

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So what is y'all's, what
are, what are the kinks?

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So I know that you're, I know
somebody is into rubber or latex.

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Clearly.

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Okay.

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Clearly.

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I mean, is it clearly?

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Okay, so- I'm wearing
it for you right now.

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I, I mean, I see that, and- I, is
that just, do you just like the way

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that feels and stuff like that, right?

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Like, that's what- Yes.

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It is- … that's what Adam was
telling me, so I wanna … It is shiny.

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It is slick.

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It is, uh, body-hugging.

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It's kinda sexy.

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It's sexy.

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I see the appeal.

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Um, yeah, like there's different
designs, like I'm representing

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the rubber flag with these colors,
uh, and, and all of this today.

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So yeah, th- it's just
like this is my main thing.

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Like, this is really what, what
got me into the kink world.

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So I … If you guys could see
his closet, you would have a clear

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understanding- I, so- Really?

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… of how deep this goes.

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I've just, I've just seen on the show, you
know, the different … And, and, and I

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know that you, you wear it a lot of times
underneath your clothing when you go out.

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Oh, I love stealth.

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And that's, yeah.

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Yeah, I love going stealth.

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Is that what that's called?

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It's so sexy, because I have a little
secret that nobody knows about.

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Mm. It's good.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, so I, I do see the appeal.

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It, it is actually very sexy.

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It looks really, really cool.

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I always thought so.

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But how breathable is it?

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I mean- It's not … it's hot outside.

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I was like, holy shit.

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We live in Texas.

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I would … Yeah.

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We live in Texas.

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It's hot outside.

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There was a moment on one of our shows
where we were talking about rubber,

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and, uh, I called back to a, uh, a
memory of Jason when he first saw me

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in rubber, and it was in the middle
of a Texas summer, and he joked and

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said, "You smell like a balloon."

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Uh, and because I d- quite literally did,
I mean, in the heat and everything, yeah.

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So it is not breathable.

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You do sweat in it, but
that's also part of the fun.

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Now, a sir over here … he,
he was in town, he was in town

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one weekend with some friends.

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They were doing a competition
or there was a, a show at one

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of the gay clubs that were here.

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I went to go pick him up, and all of
his friends were all in rubber, and it's

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all lube and slick- … and everything.

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And of course I've got
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So I go pick them up- … and
it's like 110 degrees out.

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You know, everybody's sitting
on towels, and you know, there's

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puddles- … of sweat and lube and
everything else all over my car.

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Yeah.

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But that was the first time
that I saw, like, actually saw

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him, like, in gear like that.

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So it was- Yeah … pretty funny.

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And what was your- Jason, what, what
about, uh, what about your kink?

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Yeah.

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What's, okay, what's your re-
what, what is, what is your kink?

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So, um- Which one?

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I'm Italian.

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Ooh.

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Which one?

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Um, so as far as, like, clothing
goes, I pr- I, I appreciate

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the leather side of things.

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Um, not that I have quite the extent
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rubber, but I've got a few leather pieces.

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I've got some leather pants.

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I've got a couple other harnesses
that I really enjoy wearing.

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Um, underwear is my thing,
like, guys underwear.

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So jocks, thongs.

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That's how I started down this
path was, was in underwear.

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Um, and in fact, I, I had posted
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attracted some attention of a, of a
guy that has a Brief Talk podcast.

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He actually has a whole
podcast about underwear.

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Wow.

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Um, he convinced me- I'm gonna have
to listen to that … after about

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a year to finally come on his show.

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And, um, as I was going through the
story of my underwear journey and, you

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know, talking about my little brother,
it's like, well, you know, who else do

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you ask, you know, when it comes to this
type stuff, but your gay brother, right?

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Like, I've got the best resource at hand.

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I mean, you do.

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So it stirred up quite a bit of comments
on his podcast, talking about, "Oh my God,

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you talk to your brother about that." So
that's how our podcast was really born.

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Um, we had no idea that, like, nobody
didn't really talk about it much or

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that there was a need for siblings
to ha- be having these discussions.

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Um, but the, the feedback that we
got from when I was on that show

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about underwear was incredible.

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And so I was telling my brother, I
was like, "Hey, look like, you know,

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everybody's shocked that, you know,
I attend your parties and, you know,

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we've got this bond, you know, with
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was like, "Maybe we should do a show."

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And that was, uh, kind
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It was like apparently,
like, people like this stuff.

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So we kicked around the idea for
about six months, and then finally

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decided to get serious about
it, and we're in season two now.

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So that was really like, it all kind of
came about from, from my underwear stuff-

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um, how the story kinda came about, so.

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That's so great.

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From those tighty whities.

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Yeah.

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I get it.

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N- not a fan of the tighty whities,
but I have- Or, or lack thereof, yeah.

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Or lack thereof.

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Or lack thereof.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But I, I, I do love my jocks and
my thongs, and that's really- You

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know- … where it started for me

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I am not, um… I'm the total opposite.

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I hate lingerie.

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I hate underwear.

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I hate bras.

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Like, I feel, when I have to wear
them, I'm like, "Damn, can I take them

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off already?" So it's, I mean, that's
kind of… It's, that's, that's…

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I've never heard of that type of-
You two could be kinky villains in

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superheroes We could be kinky villains.

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But I've never heard of that.

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And I, I, now I find it kinda cool.

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I'm like, "Okay, I, I
mean, I get it." Yeah.

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Especially- Well- … the thongs.

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They're sexy … s- uh, uh,
so interestingly enough, like,

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i- it's very, like, I would
call it a split house, right?

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When it comes to women, women's
thoughts of men in jocks or thongs.

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Some- Mm-hmm

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like, you either seem to really like
it, or you seem to not like it at all.

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Um- Yeah … and those are
kind of the, the two camps.

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There's not a lot of like, "Nah.
All right. Maybe." It's, it's pretty

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much an all or nothing type deal, so.

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Yeah.

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So, so what I'm hearing
is you're all for it?

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I'm all for it.

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I mean- All right.

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I like that … sounds, sounds kinda cool.

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You- That and the leather.

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I mean, I'm… Or the rubber.

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I'm so down to, like,
find some outfits now.

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You know, uh, the, the whole thing-
I will send you some websites, yeah.

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It's, it's, it's very curious.

241
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Yeah, well, 'cause it's, it's, it's
an arena that we don't know a whole-

242
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Yeah … lot about, for one thing.

243
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But it's funny, because when we first
started getting into podcasting, um,

244
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and she said that she wanted to start
a podcast, and I said, "Well, what do

245
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you wanna do it on?" She said, "Well,
we could do it on the lifestyle, or

246
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we could do it on family." You two
have taken these two- … very crazy

247
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arenas, and you made a show out…

248
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You just smashed the hell
out of them together.

249
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And I, I just, I, I found that so
fascinating because- You have so many,

250
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uh, different ways to attack this.

251
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You're, you're having a very
open conversation about, uh,

252
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a, a very large arena that has
always had shame put over it.

253
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Yeah.

254
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That's right.

255
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Yeah, you know?

256
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And, and, and w- we often, uh, y- you
know, we have all these different kinks

257
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and these desires and these things that
we really love and, and, and are a part

258
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of, and that's on our, our quiet end.

259
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We don't want anybody to know about that.

260
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Mm. You know what I mean?

261
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Uh, and especially our family.

262
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And, and so- Right … I think what you
guys are doing at your show, I mean, not

263
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only, I mean, it's entertaining as hell.

264
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Uh, but to be able to show that family
can openly talk and have these kinds of

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conversations and- Without being judged

266
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and it's okay, you know?

267
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Right.

268
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Yeah.

269
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There's no shame, yeah.

270
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And it's- It, it is okay.

271
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And today's society is so much about,
like, sex shouldn't be talked about.

272
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It shouldn't be discussed.

273
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It shouldn't be, you know,
don't let the kids know, you

274
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know, like all of that stuff.

275
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Yeah.

276
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Um, and it's, you know, it's a
pleasure center, and it's what, you

277
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know, relationships are built on.

278
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And it's an extremely important part
of relationships and communication

279
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and a- you know, so much of that
just encompasses everything.

280
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You should be talk… You
know, look, like, you know, my

281
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brother's the younger brother.

282
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I just turned 50.

283
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It's not like, you know, we're well-versed
in us talking to each other about this.

284
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I mean, this started in
the last couple years.

285
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Mm-hmm.

286
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So, you know, we're guilty of
all of those same things, too.

287
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Um, but being able to talk about
it now and the, the connection

288
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that we have with this stuff,
um, I mean, we were tight before.

289
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Like, you know, we didn't go more than
a week without talking to each other

290
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and, you know, that type of stuff.

291
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But now, you know, we talk all the time.

292
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We, you know, we joke about this stuff.

293
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And, and we've got s- you know,
a bond here and something shared

294
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that, that we're doing together,
and we're having a blast doing it.

295
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Um- I can imagine, yeah.

296
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And it's very freeing to s- Oh, it's very
freeing … being able to have that out.

297
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Very freeing.

298
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Yeah.

299
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Yeah.

300
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Yeah, 'cause then you,
you can speak openly.

301
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I, I know I have a companion and a, and
a partner and, and a friend in this, even

302
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though it is, you know, he is my brother.

303
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But he, you know, like we, we are going
through this whole thing together.

304
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The funny part then is when we each talk
to our mother, and she's like, "Have

305
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you talked to your brother lately?"

306
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And we're like, "Well, we recorded
yesterday, but, uh-" "… you

307
00:11:54,605 --> 00:11:57,535
don't know anything about
that, so no." Do they not know?

308
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Like d- does, does your- They do not.

309
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They do not, okay.

310
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They, they do not know.

311
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No.

312
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Yeah.

313
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I mean, we had to, um, we, we had to…
We have kids, and we have them all at

314
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the house, so we're a blended family.

315
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But we had to, like- Yeah

316
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when we were, when we came out as poly,
we had to tell them, you know, "Mom

317
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is bisexual," and so on and so forth.

318
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And now it's been 15 years.

319
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Our, our babies are 15, and our
older ones are- Wow … almost 20.

320
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So they've, they've kind
of grown through it.

321
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They've kind of seen it.

322
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We don't, we don't have, like, swinger
parties at the house and, "Hey, kids.

323
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Go to your room." It's not like that.

324
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But it's, it is a very open, um-
household and we always tell them,

325
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like we were just telling your brother,
it's like our, our room is right

326
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here and their kitchen's right there.

327
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It's like, "If you don't wanna
hear about mom's threesome,

328
00:12:45,713 --> 00:12:48,103
you better go upstairs." Yeah.

329
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Let's have those conversations.

330
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But see, that just opens, you know,
that just opens the conversation.

331
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Yes.

332
00:12:51,823 --> 00:12:55,413
Like, I'm sure that first conversation
was extremely difficult to have.

333
00:12:55,713 --> 00:12:55,933
Oh, yeah.

334
00:12:55,943 --> 00:12:59,173
Um- Yeah … but as time goes
on, it's just, it's a thing.

335
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Like, we all, you know,
we're all doing it, right?

336
00:13:02,793 --> 00:13:04,623
Um- Yeah … you might as
well talk about it, so.

337
00:13:04,623 --> 00:13:06,173
And so we- It's like that
book, Everybody Poops.

338
00:13:06,183 --> 00:13:06,543
You know?

339
00:13:06,553 --> 00:13:07,393
Like- Yes.

340
00:13:07,393 --> 00:13:07,793
… Everybody Poops, Everybody Has Sex.

341
00:13:07,793 --> 00:13:08,873
Everybody Has Sex.

342
00:13:09,053 --> 00:13:10,533
Well, not everybody, but most people do.

343
00:13:10,543 --> 00:13:10,563
Yeah.

344
00:13:10,733 --> 00:13:11,313
Yeah.

345
00:13:11,503 --> 00:13:12,373
Everybody's got a kink.

346
00:13:12,813 --> 00:13:12,943
Exactly.

347
00:13:12,943 --> 00:13:13,123
Yeah.

348
00:13:13,663 --> 00:13:20,513
You know, that was my big thing was I
grew up in a very, um, repressed home.

349
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Mm-hmm.

350
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As I'm sure many have.

351
00:13:23,013 --> 00:13:26,303
Um, and I know when we got together,
I said, "You know, I wanna raise these

352
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kids to be very open with communication.

353
00:13:29,453 --> 00:13:34,023
I want them to feel okay coming to
talk to us about whatever." I said,

354
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"And that means that we have to be
open with communication with them,

355
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too." Um, and so as time went on, you
know, they didn't know that we were

356
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non-monogamous for several years.

357
00:13:44,683 --> 00:13:46,343
Uh, we started out as swingers.

358
00:13:46,853 --> 00:13:49,273
Uh- Mm … but then we decided
we were gonna try out poly.

359
00:13:49,683 --> 00:13:54,533
And in order to do that, we were going
to have to come out to our family

360
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because originally we were from-
Where's mom going all dressed up?

361
00:13:58,313 --> 00:13:58,593
Yeah.

362
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I mean, we're, we're
from- Where are you going?

363
00:13:59,993 --> 00:14:01,123
… we're from Corpus Christi.

364
00:14:01,513 --> 00:14:03,433
And Corpus Christi is small.

365
00:14:03,703 --> 00:14:04,073
It's small, yeah.

366
00:14:04,073 --> 00:14:04,623
Small town, yeah.

367
00:14:04,623 --> 00:14:04,953
Yeah.

368
00:14:05,003 --> 00:14:08,873
And I was like, "I'm gonna be
seen out there with somebody," or,

369
00:14:08,873 --> 00:14:11,343
"She's gonna be seen out there with
somebody, people are gonna talk."

370
00:14:11,343 --> 00:14:11,483
Yeah.

371
00:14:11,483 --> 00:14:11,773
Yeah.

372
00:14:11,793 --> 00:14:16,043
"So we might as well get this out now."
Um- I, you know, it, I think that's smart.

373
00:14:16,063 --> 00:14:18,533
And, you know, obviously age
appropriate when they're at the age

374
00:14:18,533 --> 00:14:20,883
where they can digest- Yeah … that
kind of information, but I, I

375
00:14:20,903 --> 00:14:22,063
think that's the best way to do it.

376
00:14:22,073 --> 00:14:22,093
Yeah.

377
00:14:22,093 --> 00:14:26,453
A- and a lot of the successful couples
that I know, that's their attitude, right?

378
00:14:27,643 --> 00:14:31,873
I mean, you, you really wanna raise,
uh, uh, kids in a sex positive

379
00:14:31,873 --> 00:14:36,433
household so that they can be
open to talk to you about issues.

380
00:14:36,433 --> 00:14:36,793
Yeah, yeah.

381
00:14:37,273 --> 00:14:40,873
Or what they're going through, because
dealing with s- sexual feelings

382
00:14:41,403 --> 00:14:44,913
and feeling repressed, that's hard.

383
00:14:45,453 --> 00:14:45,653
Yeah.

384
00:14:45,653 --> 00:14:46,153
Not good.

385
00:14:46,463 --> 00:14:46,953
That's difficult to do.

386
00:14:46,953 --> 00:14:50,253
And also, we talk a lot about the fact
that we both kinda came into this a

387
00:14:50,253 --> 00:14:52,233
little later in life, uh, for both of us.

388
00:14:52,253 --> 00:14:55,163
You know, we were both in our 40s,
almost 50, and, and all of that.

389
00:14:55,173 --> 00:14:58,683
So being able to learn from a younger
age how to express yourself and say what

390
00:14:58,683 --> 00:15:02,323
you want or what you might desire or what
you need, I think you guys are totally

391
00:15:02,323 --> 00:15:04,823
laying the groundwork with your kids
to be able to do that for themselves.

392
00:15:04,823 --> 00:15:05,743
I think that's really cool.

393
00:15:06,263 --> 00:15:06,493
Yeah.

394
00:15:06,493 --> 00:15:06,553
Hopefully it helps them.

395
00:15:06,553 --> 00:15:08,503
It's fun to watch them change out.

396
00:15:08,533 --> 00:15:11,033
Yeah, they, I mean… I'm like,
"You don't have to just have one

397
00:15:11,033 --> 00:15:13,153
boyfriend. You can have, like,
five." Like, what's wrong with you?

398
00:15:13,403 --> 00:15:14,213
Yeah, why not?

399
00:15:14,723 --> 00:15:17,673
And our kids are like, "No,
Mom. We're monogamous." Yeah.

400
00:15:17,703 --> 00:15:20,973
I'm like, "Whatever." They'll change their
minds when they get to be like- They'll

401
00:15:20,973 --> 00:15:22,093
change their mind at some point, right?

402
00:15:22,123 --> 00:15:22,263
Yeah.

403
00:15:22,393 --> 00:15:22,743
Yeah.

404
00:15:23,233 --> 00:15:24,573
I mean, I did after three marriages.

405
00:15:24,573 --> 00:15:25,363
We all get there.

406
00:15:25,513 --> 00:15:25,973
Yeah.

407
00:15:26,133 --> 00:15:27,553
I was like, "Fuck this shit."

408
00:15:29,863 --> 00:15:33,863
So now what kind of household
did y'all initially come out as?

409
00:15:37,585 --> 00:15:39,255
So our parents are still married.

410
00:15:39,265 --> 00:15:41,645
They've been married for 56 years now.

411
00:15:41,675 --> 00:15:43,325
Like, we came from a good home.

412
00:15:43,325 --> 00:15:45,935
I mean, it wasn't like- Yeah … yeah,
I mean, our parents argued here and

413
00:15:45,935 --> 00:15:47,405
there, I mean, just like any family does.

414
00:15:47,795 --> 00:15:51,945
But, uh, the topic of sex was
not something that was discussed.

415
00:15:51,955 --> 00:15:53,795
Mm. You know, I don't wanna
say that it was hidden.

416
00:15:54,175 --> 00:15:55,845
It just wasn't a topic.

417
00:15:55,905 --> 00:15:56,535
Um- Yeah.

418
00:15:56,545 --> 00:15:57,225
Right … you know?

419
00:15:57,505 --> 00:16:00,135
But yeah, I mean, you know, we
didn't come from a broken home.

420
00:16:00,145 --> 00:16:04,915
Like, we don't have any, you know, horror
stories as far as that type of stuff goes-

421
00:16:04,995 --> 00:16:07,715
Yeah … or divorced parents or, you know,
whatever- Yeah … fill-in-the-blank there

422
00:16:07,715 --> 00:16:11,675
that, you know, a lot of people assume
that, you know, kinksters have, right?

423
00:16:11,685 --> 00:16:11,705
Yeah.

424
00:16:11,715 --> 00:16:12,945
Like, we didn't have any of that.

425
00:16:13,145 --> 00:16:14,195
Oh, and, and- Yeah … I love that.

426
00:16:14,285 --> 00:16:19,545
I love that because that is a great
example for a lot of our listeners- Yeah

427
00:16:19,555 --> 00:16:22,005
… in the fact that this isn't a thing.

428
00:16:22,055 --> 00:16:27,185
Like pe- there's people who aren't in
our communities who are looking inward

429
00:16:27,185 --> 00:16:31,245
going, "Well, I think this, and I think
that," and they come from this kind

430
00:16:31,245 --> 00:16:32,785
of place, and this is how they act.

431
00:16:33,525 --> 00:16:35,635
There's a lot of disproving
that needs to happen.

432
00:16:35,635 --> 00:16:36,225
I mean, I used to think that.

433
00:16:36,225 --> 00:16:39,185
Yeah, I mean, you know, our, our
background isn't very religious.

434
00:16:39,195 --> 00:16:39,215
Mm-hmm.

435
00:16:39,225 --> 00:16:41,505
It's also very not religious.

436
00:16:41,535 --> 00:16:44,865
Um, you know, we just come from, uh,
the typical, you know, white picket

437
00:16:44,865 --> 00:16:47,735
fence American 2.5-kid family, you know?

438
00:16:47,735 --> 00:16:48,425
Like it wasn't- Yeah

439
00:16:48,425 --> 00:16:50,325
anything, it wasn't anything special, so.

440
00:16:50,365 --> 00:16:51,195
Yeah, same.

441
00:16:51,235 --> 00:16:54,945
Um, my family wasn't very, uh,
he came from a very repressed

442
00:16:54,945 --> 00:16:56,125
family, like his parents.

443
00:16:56,135 --> 00:16:56,725
Mine weren't.

444
00:16:56,755 --> 00:17:00,615
Mine were always sh- showing affection and
love and, you know, and stuff like that.

445
00:17:01,225 --> 00:17:02,885
They did put stipulations on me.

446
00:17:03,115 --> 00:17:07,955
Like, I couldn't, I couldn't date the
same gender, so that was really hard

447
00:17:07,955 --> 00:17:09,575
for me when, so when I got with him.

448
00:17:09,575 --> 00:17:11,575
I was like, "I'm bisexual."
Like, it is what it is.

449
00:17:11,575 --> 00:17:12,845
I have to come out at some point.

450
00:17:13,315 --> 00:17:14,785
I was in my 30s.

451
00:17:14,885 --> 00:17:16,365
And I was like, "Get
it, girl." And so yeah.

452
00:17:16,415 --> 00:17:22,619
But other than that, I mean, it's,
uh- The way you're raised definitely

453
00:17:22,659 --> 00:17:25,309
doesn't- Well, I mean- … always have
to show the kink that you're in or

454
00:17:25,309 --> 00:17:26,589
the lifestyle that you end up having

455
00:17:26,589 --> 00:17:27,239
talk repression.

456
00:17:27,239 --> 00:17:29,049
I mean, I was, I was
in a Catholic seminary.

457
00:17:29,089 --> 00:17:30,189
That's why I was in Irving.

458
00:17:30,189 --> 00:17:30,539
Wow.

459
00:17:30,709 --> 00:17:30,949
Yeah.

460
00:17:30,949 --> 00:17:33,389
I was in Irving at the Holy
Trinity Seminary there.

461
00:17:33,479 --> 00:17:33,809
Yeah.

462
00:17:33,809 --> 00:17:36,179
S- s- so you got beat with the
belt and the, and the ruler

463
00:17:36,179 --> 00:17:36,329
and everything else, huh?

464
00:17:36,329 --> 00:17:37,109
With the rosary.

465
00:17:37,109 --> 00:17:37,119
Yeah.

466
00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:37,129
Yeah.

467
00:17:37,129 --> 00:17:37,149
Oh, right.

468
00:17:37,149 --> 00:17:37,379
Yeah, right.

469
00:17:37,379 --> 00:17:40,949
There was a, there was an old,
old sister that had a, a wooden

470
00:17:40,949 --> 00:17:43,329
rosary, and she'd smack you with it.

471
00:17:43,369 --> 00:17:45,869
It's amazing that I'm
actually not into BDSM.

472
00:17:46,459 --> 00:17:46,997
It kind of is.

473
00:17:46,997 --> 00:17:49,969
I was gonna say, you might actually
like being on a St. Andrew's Cross and,

474
00:17:49,969 --> 00:17:54,059
like… I haven't had those experiences
yet, so I'm c- I'm open to things.

475
00:17:54,059 --> 00:17:54,609
Oh, come on.

476
00:17:54,609 --> 00:17:56,669
I'm like, "I'm gonna try things out and
see wh- see where it goes," you know?

477
00:17:56,669 --> 00:17:57,559
We're gonna meet at Infliction.

478
00:17:57,689 --> 00:17:58,329
We're already there.

479
00:17:58,329 --> 00:17:59,174
We're gonna go to Carlton.

480
00:17:59,174 --> 00:17:59,681
That's too fun.

481
00:17:59,681 --> 00:18:00,188
We got this.

482
00:18:00,188 --> 00:18:00,526
Baby steps.

483
00:18:00,526 --> 00:18:03,099
Y'all need to, y'all need to come to
Houston and come to one of our parties.

484
00:18:03,209 --> 00:18:08,029
You know, we, um, we've been
invited to a few parties that

485
00:18:08,029 --> 00:18:10,799
are, that are BDSM-ish, I guess.

486
00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:11,689
They, they were kink parties, yeah.

487
00:18:11,989 --> 00:18:15,879
Kink parties, and I'm always so scared
because I'm like, "I don't like pain."

488
00:18:16,239 --> 00:18:19,659
It wasn't until- Me either I don't either
… yeah, it wasn't probably about till

489
00:18:19,659 --> 00:18:24,369
about six months ago, maybe a year ago, I
went and I tried the St. Andrew's cross.

490
00:18:24,369 --> 00:18:24,409
Nice.

491
00:18:24,899 --> 00:18:26,009
Um, at a ta- a hotel takeover.

492
00:18:26,009 --> 00:18:26,309
Oh, yeah.

493
00:18:26,569 --> 00:18:27,229
She got flogged.

494
00:18:27,269 --> 00:18:30,289
And someone flogged me, and I
was like, "Ooh, I liked it."

495
00:18:30,289 --> 00:18:32,169
It wasn't a turn-on for me.

496
00:18:32,189 --> 00:18:35,669
It was more of a, "Oh, I
could totally go to sleep."

497
00:18:35,689 --> 00:18:38,819
Like, you could just- Yes … space-
It gets you into a head space, yeah.

498
00:18:38,819 --> 00:18:39,179
Yeah.

499
00:18:39,179 --> 00:18:41,729
I'm like- Oh, man … "This is
relaxing." And- She does the same

500
00:18:41,729 --> 00:18:42,739
thing when she gets tattooed, though.

501
00:18:42,779 --> 00:18:43,019
Yeah.

502
00:18:43,679 --> 00:18:45,169
Yeah, you go into a, yeah, a zone.

503
00:18:45,179 --> 00:18:45,209
I do.

504
00:18:45,639 --> 00:18:47,759
We've- So, so there is
some pain tolerance there.

505
00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:48,329
Yeah.

506
00:18:48,369 --> 00:18:48,969
Yes.

507
00:18:49,399 --> 00:18:52,029
We've been learning in this season, we're,
you know, diving a little bit deeper into,

508
00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:56,549
you know, specific kinks, and there's a,
a common thread through all of them about

509
00:18:56,549 --> 00:19:01,739
this head space that people get into, um,
and this almost meditative state, uh, and

510
00:19:02,019 --> 00:19:06,129
people who are flogging or people who get
tied up in rope or, uh, people who edge.

511
00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,749
Like, you just get into this meditative
state, and it's kinda the same across

512
00:19:09,759 --> 00:19:12,819
all these different kinks, and honestly,
that's really what it comes down to, is

513
00:19:13,049 --> 00:19:17,029
getting yourself out of your everyday
head and into a space where you're just

514
00:19:17,029 --> 00:19:19,919
kinda n- not thinking about any of that
other bullshit out, you know, that's

515
00:19:19,919 --> 00:19:23,219
happening in life, uh, and focusing on
what's happening in the here and now.

516
00:19:23,219 --> 00:19:24,139
It's, it's pretty cool.

517
00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:26,329
See, and I always thought the difference.

518
00:19:26,409 --> 00:19:30,559
I always thought, I always thought
that people were doing it for, like,

519
00:19:31,229 --> 00:19:34,699
some kinda pain, and then I would say,
"Oh, they must have trauma." Yeah.

520
00:19:34,959 --> 00:19:38,089
They must have some kinda trauma-
Right … for them to like that

521
00:19:38,089 --> 00:19:39,929
kind of beating or whatever.

522
00:19:40,779 --> 00:19:44,359
But it wasn't until I did it,
and then talking to people like

523
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,759
yourselves, and I'm like, "Okay,
that makes a lot of sense now.

524
00:19:46,759 --> 00:19:49,599
I understand why people-" Yeah, if you do
any reading about it, the statistics show

525
00:19:49,599 --> 00:19:53,205
that that is totally not the case Hmm.

526
00:19:53,595 --> 00:19:53,835
See?

527
00:19:53,865 --> 00:19:53,945
Yeah.

528
00:19:53,945 --> 00:19:57,095
But it's, it's- Yeah … but it is a, it
is a very common misconception, though.

529
00:19:57,105 --> 00:19:57,125
Yeah.

530
00:19:57,125 --> 00:19:57,695
Yeah.

531
00:19:57,695 --> 00:20:01,345
I was like, "Oh, she must like it. She
must have gotten beaten and…" I mean pe-

532
00:20:01,375 --> 00:20:04,455
but see, that's, and that's the thing, is
people say the same thing about swingers.

533
00:20:05,165 --> 00:20:05,185
Yeah.

534
00:20:05,185 --> 00:20:05,215
Right.

535
00:20:05,215 --> 00:20:08,885
They're like, "Oh, well, you know,
they, somebody cheated." Yes.

536
00:20:08,915 --> 00:20:09,605
"Who cheated?" Yeah.

537
00:20:09,605 --> 00:20:09,935
Yeah.

538
00:20:09,935 --> 00:20:12,125
Or, or, you know, "They must-" That's
true … "they must have came from

539
00:20:12,125 --> 00:20:13,825
a sexualized home," or whatever.

540
00:20:13,825 --> 00:20:13,895
That's true.

541
00:20:13,905 --> 00:20:14,735
You know, stuff like that.

542
00:20:14,915 --> 00:20:15,245
Yeah, yeah.

543
00:20:15,245 --> 00:20:17,245
Y- and, you know, that's, that's
really one of the reasons why

544
00:20:17,245 --> 00:20:20,845
we started this podcast, was
to kind of educate others- Yeah

545
00:20:20,925 --> 00:20:25,095
that, hey, we're all just normal
motherfucking people, guys.

546
00:20:25,105 --> 00:20:28,375
It's hard for people to understand
that pleasure is a good thing.

547
00:20:28,615 --> 00:20:28,755
Yeah.

548
00:20:28,955 --> 00:20:31,395
And that's all that it is, whether
it's on the kink side or the

549
00:20:31,395 --> 00:20:33,175
swinging side or the poly side.

550
00:20:33,175 --> 00:20:33,195
Mm-hmm.

551
00:20:33,195 --> 00:20:37,115
Like, getting and giving
pleasure is, it's a thing.

552
00:20:37,115 --> 00:20:39,515
Like, it's something that we all
enjoy and that we all wanna do.

553
00:20:39,555 --> 00:20:43,005
And, you know, some people like to go
out on the boat on the weekend, right?

554
00:20:43,015 --> 00:20:44,345
Like, you know, that's their hobby.

555
00:20:44,355 --> 00:20:47,015
Some people go to a swingers club on
the weekend, and that's their hobby.

556
00:20:47,025 --> 00:20:49,675
Some people go to, you know, a dungeon-
Yeah … and that's their hobby.

557
00:20:49,675 --> 00:20:50,445
It's no different.

558
00:20:51,403 --> 00:20:51,713
Yeah.

559
00:20:52,003 --> 00:20:53,993
So, okay, sir, you're from Houston.

560
00:20:54,413 --> 00:20:55,413
Tell me about Houston.

561
00:20:55,413 --> 00:20:58,613
Like, I- and we've been there,
we've been to house parties.

562
00:20:58,663 --> 00:20:59,883
We've never been to a club there.

563
00:21:00,123 --> 00:21:03,103
Is there a lot of kink type
of clubs, uh, in Houston?

564
00:21:03,103 --> 00:21:05,503
Well, you started the
Houston kink family, right?

565
00:21:05,753 --> 00:21:06,183
Yeah.

566
00:21:06,183 --> 00:21:07,593
Yeah, shout out to the family.

567
00:21:07,593 --> 00:21:07,883
What?

568
00:21:07,883 --> 00:21:12,553
Um, so obviously, you know, I'm,
I'm, like I said, I'm LGBTQ, so I-

569
00:21:12,563 --> 00:21:15,483
most of my stuff is, is directed
into the, into the queer space.

570
00:21:15,783 --> 00:21:20,253
Um, there actually is a pretty
healthy, uh, queer kink community here.

571
00:21:20,273 --> 00:21:21,783
Uh, that was very surprising.

572
00:21:22,103 --> 00:21:24,863
Those of you from Texas know that
if you're from Dallas, you don't

573
00:21:24,863 --> 00:21:27,413
come to Houston, and if you're from
Houston, you don't go to Dallas.

574
00:21:27,833 --> 00:21:30,663
Uh, so I have crossed the bridge
and have, have been in both.

575
00:21:30,973 --> 00:21:32,513
Um, and I was very surprised.

576
00:21:32,513 --> 00:21:37,023
We moved to Houston in, in, at the end
of 2020, um, and pretty quickly started

577
00:21:37,023 --> 00:21:38,873
meeting folks in, in the, in the space.

578
00:21:39,153 --> 00:21:42,673
Um, and I was shocked at
how open and honest and, and

579
00:21:42,693 --> 00:21:44,403
incredible the community here was.

580
00:21:44,643 --> 00:21:46,743
We have a bar here called
Ripcord, uh, which is the

581
00:21:46,743 --> 00:21:48,323
traditional gay leather bar here.

582
00:21:48,643 --> 00:21:50,443
Um, and so we started going out.

583
00:21:50,443 --> 00:21:51,623
I started going out in my gear.

584
00:21:51,893 --> 00:21:53,813
There's a cross, there's
all sorts of stuff.

585
00:21:53,813 --> 00:21:55,943
They have kink nights, all,
all sorts of different things.

586
00:21:55,953 --> 00:21:58,733
So it's been really cool to meet everybody
through that space, and then through that

587
00:21:58,733 --> 00:22:00,293
I've been connected to, to my friends.

588
00:22:00,633 --> 00:22:03,633
Um, and we just kinda started collecting
people along the way, and it, you

589
00:22:03,633 --> 00:22:07,123
know, kinda became this group and,
and this family, um, so to speak.

590
00:22:07,123 --> 00:22:09,853
So we do weekly dinners,
we do monthly parties.

591
00:22:10,213 --> 00:22:14,283
Uh, we, you know, do demos with
electro and, and, uh, flogging

592
00:22:14,283 --> 00:22:15,603
and all sorts of different things.

593
00:22:15,933 --> 00:22:18,943
Uh, the last party we had at a friend's
house, we set up a dungeon in their

594
00:22:18,943 --> 00:22:22,093
garage and, and people were allowed
to, you know, play at their will.

595
00:22:22,383 --> 00:22:25,543
Uh, so it's been a really, it's
been a really cool experience

596
00:22:25,543 --> 00:22:27,223
to, to just open up and play.

597
00:22:27,413 --> 00:22:30,073
I haven't had this in any city that
I've lived in, so Houston has been

598
00:22:30,073 --> 00:22:31,043
really surprising in that sense.

599
00:22:31,053 --> 00:22:31,663
Wow.

600
00:22:31,713 --> 00:22:34,383
Yeah, I would- And Texas, period-
Yeah … would be- I know … kinda

601
00:22:34,423 --> 00:22:36,103
surprising- For sure … in that sense.

602
00:22:36,383 --> 00:22:36,453
Yeah.

603
00:22:36,453 --> 00:22:38,703
Jason, do you ever attend
any of his parties?

604
00:22:38,963 --> 00:22:40,423
Yeah . So I do.

605
00:22:40,433 --> 00:22:40,453
Yeah.

606
00:22:40,753 --> 00:22:45,823
Um, the, the, the first time was
a little sketchy because, like, s-

607
00:22:45,863 --> 00:22:49,593
my brother's group, and my brother
specifically, weren't really sure what

608
00:22:49,593 --> 00:22:50,773
to do with the straight guy there.

609
00:22:51,113 --> 00:22:54,993
And then the flip side of that was the
straight guy wasn't really sure what to

610
00:22:54,993 --> 00:22:57,173
expect from the crowd that was there.

611
00:22:57,413 --> 00:22:57,613
Yeah.

612
00:22:57,643 --> 00:23:01,453
Um, so it was, you know, a little
different the first time that

613
00:23:01,453 --> 00:23:06,319
I went But after that, like my
brother's friends are my friends now.

614
00:23:06,379 --> 00:23:08,604
I, most of them like me
more than they like him.

615
00:23:08,604 --> 00:23:09,169
He's part of the family.

616
00:23:09,169 --> 00:23:09,379
Yeah.

617
00:23:09,379 --> 00:23:09,739
Yeah.

618
00:23:09,789 --> 00:23:13,359
Um, super friendly gr-
like I can't say enough.

619
00:23:13,399 --> 00:23:17,539
So like the kink community is
very open-minded with everybody.

620
00:23:17,829 --> 00:23:21,759
Um, you know, one thing that, that
I, that I would say, I feel like from

621
00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:25,789
the swinger side of things versus the
kink side of things, like swingers

622
00:23:25,809 --> 00:23:30,219
aren't as open-minded as people
think that they really are, right?

623
00:23:30,469 --> 00:23:32,169
Like there's still a lot of- I agree.

624
00:23:32,179 --> 00:23:35,479
Oh, yeah … you know, uh um,
you know, reservations about, you

625
00:23:35,479 --> 00:23:38,339
know, bi stuff and- Yes … gay
stuff and things like that, right?

626
00:23:38,339 --> 00:23:38,354
Yes.

627
00:23:38,354 --> 00:23:39,379
Within the kink community.

628
00:23:39,389 --> 00:23:39,419
Yes.

629
00:23:39,789 --> 00:23:42,189
When you go, or w- in the
swinging community, sorry.

630
00:23:42,439 --> 00:23:45,319
When you go into the kink community,
that all gets thrown out the window,

631
00:23:45,489 --> 00:23:48,669
and it doesn't matter if you're gay,
straight, whatever, whatever you identify

632
00:23:48,699 --> 00:23:50,319
as, w- you know, whatever all that is.

633
00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:55,099
Everybody's just there to experience and,
and have a good time, and it is, it is

634
00:23:55,855 --> 00:24:00,575
much more open and much more accepting
than anything I've ever found, um-

635
00:24:00,585 --> 00:24:03,745
Yeah … from a s- you know, from, from
the, from the, the sexual part of it.

636
00:24:03,755 --> 00:24:06,805
So, um- Well, one of the, one of the… I
can't remember if it was the first party

637
00:24:06,805 --> 00:24:09,525
or the second party, but one of the, one
of the first couple of parties that he

638
00:24:09,525 --> 00:24:14,285
came to, uh, we had, we debuted a new,
uh, item at the party, and it was a, a

639
00:24:14,395 --> 00:24:16,875
vac cube, uh, that a friend of ours built.

640
00:24:16,915 --> 00:24:20,345
And Jason was one of the first people
in it, uh, which was incredible.

641
00:24:20,345 --> 00:24:21,535
So you gotta explain what the vac cube is.

642
00:24:21,535 --> 00:24:21,675
Yeah.

643
00:24:21,675 --> 00:24:23,425
I was like, "Well, hey, hold on." Yeah.

644
00:24:23,425 --> 00:24:23,464
I don't know.

645
00:24:23,464 --> 00:24:23,490
So, yeah.

646
00:24:23,490 --> 00:24:25,615
I was, I mean, we were calling the
other thing, what were we calling it?

647
00:24:25,615 --> 00:24:26,545
A horse something?

648
00:24:26,745 --> 00:24:26,945
Yeah.

649
00:24:26,985 --> 00:24:27,205
Yeah.

650
00:24:27,375 --> 00:24:27,775
So- Sawhorse?

651
00:24:27,775 --> 00:24:27,905
Yeah.

652
00:24:27,905 --> 00:24:27,985
Sawhorse.

653
00:24:28,645 --> 00:24:28,835
Sawhorse.

654
00:24:28,865 --> 00:24:29,165
Okay.

655
00:24:29,165 --> 00:24:30,665
So It's a fuck bench.

656
00:24:31,055 --> 00:24:34,945
Um, this- Thank you,
sir. So a vac cube, yeah.

657
00:24:34,945 --> 00:24:38,545
So a vac cube is quite literally a
cube that can either be spandex or

658
00:24:38,565 --> 00:24:40,155
most of the time it's latex or rubber.

659
00:24:40,435 --> 00:24:44,805
Uh, and you connect it to a
vacuum, and it sucks the air out.

660
00:24:44,805 --> 00:24:48,185
You're in the middle of it, and
it suspends you in this cube.

661
00:24:48,575 --> 00:24:51,185
Uh, and then people can kinda
mess with you, touch you.

662
00:24:51,295 --> 00:24:53,435
You can put ice on it, you
know, all of that kinda thing.

663
00:24:53,435 --> 00:24:56,865
So it's more like sensory type
play, uh, with a little bondage

664
00:24:56,865 --> 00:24:58,775
thrown in because you're literally
trapped there in this cube.

665
00:24:58,775 --> 00:24:59,215
Yeah.

666
00:24:59,555 --> 00:25:00,535
Um, so yeah.

667
00:25:00,535 --> 00:25:03,055
So I was proud of him
for… I wasn't in the room.

668
00:25:03,055 --> 00:25:03,795
I didn't see this.

669
00:25:04,115 --> 00:25:05,775
Uh, but I was, I heard about it.

670
00:25:05,775 --> 00:25:08,905
He was like, "Jason's in the cube.
Jason's in the cube." Um, but it was

671
00:25:08,905 --> 00:25:11,995
really cool to see him just, like,
throw caution to the wind and, and,

672
00:25:12,045 --> 00:25:14,885
and he doesn't know these people, and
he, he just jumped right into the cube.

673
00:25:15,195 --> 00:25:17,475
And how, how was that
experience for you, Jason?

674
00:25:17,885 --> 00:25:18,785
I loved it.

675
00:25:18,805 --> 00:25:20,015
It was a lot of fun.

676
00:25:20,025 --> 00:25:22,965
And it's funny because his
friends were not sure what they

677
00:25:22,965 --> 00:25:24,265
could and couldn't touch on me.

678
00:25:24,265 --> 00:25:27,295
So, like, I got, like, pats on the
shoulder- … or, you know, touches

679
00:25:27,295 --> 00:25:28,667
on the back, you know- Good boy.

680
00:25:28,667 --> 00:25:31,840
Good boy … 'cause they're like, "I
don't know. I don't know what to do

681
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,220
with this guy." I was like Yay, sports.

682
00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:35,643
Yay.

683
00:25:35,643 --> 00:25:36,695
Very much that.

684
00:25:37,795 --> 00:25:38,245
You're such a man.

685
00:25:38,245 --> 00:25:40,515
So, uh, it wasn't anything
sexual, but it was, it was really,

686
00:25:40,535 --> 00:25:41,885
it was like a big bear hug.

687
00:25:41,915 --> 00:25:43,555
Like, that's the best
way I can explain it.

688
00:25:43,965 --> 00:25:47,305
Um, they actually have, like,
vac beds where you can lay down,

689
00:25:47,655 --> 00:25:49,025
and it's that same type feeling.

690
00:25:49,025 --> 00:25:50,045
And I definitely wanna try that.

691
00:25:50,045 --> 00:25:50,725
Those are my favorite.

692
00:25:50,725 --> 00:25:50,955
Yeah.

693
00:25:50,995 --> 00:25:52,775
Um- I've, isn't that what Infliction has?

694
00:25:52,835 --> 00:25:53,435
Oh, no.

695
00:25:53,495 --> 00:25:56,075
Yeah, that guy was wearing a whole,
like, leather suit and didn't they?

696
00:25:56,215 --> 00:25:56,975
I don't know, man.

697
00:25:56,975 --> 00:25:58,065
I was overstimulated.

698
00:25:58,265 --> 00:26:02,225
So we- … we went to, we went
to Infliction one time, and,

699
00:26:02,275 --> 00:26:04,415
um, it was our first time.

700
00:26:04,545 --> 00:26:04,805
Yeah.

701
00:26:04,855 --> 00:26:07,185
And we walked into the, to the whole area.

702
00:26:07,185 --> 00:26:11,705
They're showing us the, the whole
building, and in one corner we see this

703
00:26:11,745 --> 00:26:16,981
bed, and this gentleman is just Head
to toe Head to toe in In, in rubber

704
00:26:17,001 --> 00:26:19,931
in rubber, and he has a bag over his head.

705
00:26:20,261 --> 00:26:22,367
His face- Yeah … like, just his areas.

706
00:26:22,367 --> 00:26:22,395
Yeah.

707
00:26:22,395 --> 00:26:22,423
Yeah.

708
00:26:22,423 --> 00:26:22,563
And he's, uh, breath play.

709
00:26:22,563 --> 00:26:22,591
Yeah.

710
00:26:22,591 --> 00:26:23,691
And his dick was out.

711
00:26:23,701 --> 00:26:24,491
And his dick was out.

712
00:26:24,491 --> 00:26:29,371
This woman was, like, beating him,
and you could see the air, like,

713
00:26:29,551 --> 00:26:32,301
him breathing through the- Oh, she,
she was, she was punching his dick.

714
00:26:32,301 --> 00:26:32,591
Yeah.

715
00:26:32,621 --> 00:26:34,071
I was getting anxiety.

716
00:26:34,231 --> 00:26:34,651
Oh, wow.

717
00:26:35,321 --> 00:26:35,561
I was like… That's intense.

718
00:26:35,561 --> 00:26:36,211
I couldn't stop watching.

719
00:26:36,211 --> 00:26:36,431
Yeah.

720
00:26:37,061 --> 00:26:41,291
I was like, "Oh, my gosh. This is
incredible." So- So they call that, like,

721
00:26:41,291 --> 00:26:43,621
CBT, so cock and ball torture, right?

722
00:26:43,641 --> 00:26:43,761
Yeah.

723
00:26:43,761 --> 00:26:43,771
Oh.

724
00:26:43,771 --> 00:26:45,691
Like, some people are really into it.

725
00:26:46,101 --> 00:26:51,761
Um, the, the women that, that,
that know how to do that, um, it is

726
00:26:51,851 --> 00:26:56,571
definitely a trained field, but they
enjoy it, and the receivers love

727
00:26:56,571 --> 00:26:58,401
it, and it is definitely a thing.

728
00:26:58,481 --> 00:26:59,891
I can't say that that's my thing.

729
00:26:59,891 --> 00:27:00,121
Yeah.

730
00:27:00,121 --> 00:27:02,091
But it is definitely a
thing for a lot of people.

731
00:27:02,411 --> 00:27:03,551
Now, um- I told a story on the show.

732
00:27:03,551 --> 00:27:07,131
One of my first kinky experiences
was a guy who had me come over

733
00:27:07,131 --> 00:27:09,511
and kick him in the nuts, because
that was- Oh … his thing.

734
00:27:09,551 --> 00:27:12,741
And I… That is not my thing, but
I did it, and it was, it was fun.

735
00:27:13,101 --> 00:27:14,561
But- I feel like it would be her thing.

736
00:27:14,751 --> 00:27:15,241
Yeah.

737
00:27:15,451 --> 00:27:15,791
Yeah.

738
00:27:15,791 --> 00:27:15,901
I think she'd enjoy it.

739
00:27:15,901 --> 00:27:18,731
I mean, I love men, but there's some
men I would totally kick in the balls.

740
00:27:18,981 --> 00:27:19,701
Absolutely.

741
00:27:19,991 --> 00:27:21,531
I mean, for sure.

742
00:27:21,831 --> 00:27:24,831
Um, I was actually think… We were,
we were talking about, like, ooh,

743
00:27:24,871 --> 00:27:26,841
I wanna be a, I wanna be a dom.

744
00:27:26,851 --> 00:27:28,971
But I'm not into humiliating people.

745
00:27:29,151 --> 00:27:29,611
I'm not either.

746
00:27:29,611 --> 00:27:31,371
But I, I could definitely- Yeah,
well, that's you … yeah, I could

747
00:27:31,371 --> 00:27:33,781
definitely- Mm … like, you know,
slap a guy or be like, "Okay."

748
00:27:33,791 --> 00:27:35,441
She's not into humiliating people.

749
00:27:35,461 --> 00:27:39,391
Meanwhile, I sit here going,
"Fuck off." Except you.

750
00:27:39,391 --> 00:27:39,771
I could never.

751
00:27:39,771 --> 00:27:40,311
Yeah.

752
00:27:40,311 --> 00:27:41,561
No, that she does for free.

753
00:27:41,571 --> 00:27:46,311
Okay, real quick before we get back
into it, we gotta talk about sdc.com.

754
00:27:46,641 --> 00:27:47,161
Oh, yes.

755
00:27:47,261 --> 00:27:50,521
Okay, so if you don't know SDC,
it's basically the largest online

756
00:27:50,521 --> 00:27:52,121
community for open-minded adults.

757
00:27:52,321 --> 00:27:57,181
Which if you're listening to this show
right now, I feel like you probably

758
00:27:57,181 --> 00:27:58,851
already know if that's your scene.

759
00:27:59,211 --> 00:27:59,491
Yeah.

760
00:27:59,511 --> 00:28:01,431
It's your people all in one place.

761
00:28:01,771 --> 00:28:04,011
Just make a profile and go explore.

762
00:28:04,251 --> 00:28:08,171
No weirdness, no judgment, just
a ton of like-minded humans

763
00:28:08,211 --> 00:28:09,981
living their lives, just like us.

764
00:28:10,161 --> 00:28:11,951
Honestly, it's kinda
fun just to poke around.

765
00:28:12,031 --> 00:28:12,971
Yeah, it really is.

766
00:28:13,171 --> 00:28:15,401
Go sign up at sdc.com.

767
00:28:15,611 --> 00:28:17,041
Use code 38236.

768
00:28:17,131 --> 00:28:19,741
Link's in the show notes.

769
00:28:19,781 --> 00:28:21,471
Okay, now back to what we were saying.

770
00:28:21,651 --> 00:28:22,071
Yes

771
00:28:22,308 --> 00:28:24,178
I'm all… Yeah.

772
00:28:24,178 --> 00:28:24,688
That's great.

773
00:28:24,698 --> 00:28:26,168
Now, do y'all's partners…

774
00:28:26,438 --> 00:28:27,258
Both of y'all are married.

775
00:28:27,798 --> 00:28:28,278
Mm-hmm.

776
00:28:28,278 --> 00:28:30,518
Married to a gentleman, and
you're married to a woman.

777
00:28:31,390 --> 00:28:32,620
And do y'all partners?

778
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,380
So lo- long term, long term partners,
like we might as well be married.

779
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:37,920
Um- Okay … still, like,
still not married, but we own

780
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,170
a house, we own cars together.

781
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:39,830
Co- yeah.

782
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:40,499
Like we, we've been together 11 years, so.

783
00:28:40,499 --> 00:28:40,550
All good.

784
00:28:40,550 --> 00:28:40,980
Yeah.

785
00:28:41,490 --> 00:28:44,950
Um, do y'all share the same type of kinks?

786
00:28:45,210 --> 00:28:45,700
Like- No.

787
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:48,370
I mean, I know they, I know they
know about it, of course, right?

788
00:28:48,410 --> 00:28:49,020
Obviously.

789
00:28:49,020 --> 00:28:52,280
Um, but do y'all share
the same type of things?

790
00:28:52,410 --> 00:28:53,020
Some.

791
00:28:53,330 --> 00:28:53,780
Okay.

792
00:28:53,980 --> 00:28:54,380
Okay.

793
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,240
So, so I'll let my brother
field this question.

794
00:28:57,310 --> 00:28:58,150
This is gonna be a better one for them.

795
00:28:58,840 --> 00:28:59,580
Give it to me.

796
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:00,690
We, we…

797
00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:01,960
There's a couple that overlap.

798
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,330
Like, he's probably more into
le- he's not into rubber.

799
00:29:04,380 --> 00:29:06,800
Um, he's, he's, he's more into leather.

800
00:29:07,060 --> 00:29:10,490
Um, but no, he's, he's kinda
developed his own sense of, of

801
00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:12,260
kinkiness and, and what he's into.

802
00:29:12,270 --> 00:29:13,960
Sometimes they overlap,
sometimes they really don't.

803
00:29:14,290 --> 00:29:17,280
Um, but it's been really cool for
both of us to be able to allow each

804
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,710
other to explore and learn what, what
we're both into and, and explore that.

805
00:29:21,060 --> 00:29:21,560
Agree.

806
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:24,610
I think that's, I think that's the
best part of any relationship when

807
00:29:24,610 --> 00:29:28,330
you have something that you're not
sure of, but y'all do it together-

808
00:29:28,530 --> 00:29:30,860
Yeah … to kinda see, mm, do I like it?

809
00:29:31,010 --> 00:29:31,940
Is this for me?

810
00:29:32,130 --> 00:29:35,460
You know, that was kind of…
'Cause my kink is the hot wife kink.

811
00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:35,870
Yeah.

812
00:29:36,140 --> 00:29:36,410
Yeah.

813
00:29:36,420 --> 00:29:40,450
Um, so I, you know, I dig that sorta
thing, and for the longest time before

814
00:29:40,450 --> 00:29:44,780
we even started really doing the
research that I would do about all

815
00:29:44,780 --> 00:29:48,670
this stuff, um, I felt like there was
something wrong with me, you know?

816
00:29:48,670 --> 00:29:52,540
You get that shame, and then people
don't, they can't separate the difference

817
00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:57,970
between hot wife and cuckold, and so
they just label everything cuckold-

818
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,320
Cuckold, yeah … and they just
refer to you as a cuck, you know?

819
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:00,360
Yeah.

820
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:00,570
Yeah.

821
00:30:00,580 --> 00:30:02,670
Which has very negative connotations.

822
00:30:02,970 --> 00:30:09,490
And then when you realize the differences
between them, and then you have to explain

823
00:30:09,490 --> 00:30:13,060
that to people, it's like it kinda just
makes it lose its flavor a little bit.

824
00:30:13,070 --> 00:30:13,770
Yeah, yeah.

825
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:20,580
But I've always had this great
appreciation for others that-

826
00:30:21,854 --> 00:30:24,664
Appreciating her essentially
Yeah … one way or another.

827
00:30:24,674 --> 00:30:26,684
And, and, and that just- Hey,
that's called compersion.

828
00:30:26,684 --> 00:30:26,974
Yeah.

829
00:30:26,974 --> 00:30:27,924
Yeah, compersion.

830
00:30:27,924 --> 00:30:28,214
Yeah.

831
00:30:28,284 --> 00:30:31,434
That's, uh, that's a word that, that
we love to use on, on, on our show.

832
00:30:31,434 --> 00:30:34,954
And for that reason, like, people just
assume, oh, because you wanna see your

833
00:30:34,954 --> 00:30:39,194
wife with somebody else, like, you
must be, you know, you must feel small,

834
00:30:39,194 --> 00:30:40,524
and you must, you know, like- Yeah

835
00:30:40,574 --> 00:30:41,894
and that's totally not the case.

836
00:30:41,894 --> 00:30:45,124
Like, you can be happy for your
wife who's, you know, found a

837
00:30:45,174 --> 00:30:46,574
connection and having a good time.

838
00:30:46,584 --> 00:30:48,734
Like, why not, you know?

839
00:30:48,834 --> 00:30:51,014
So it doesn't have to be
a negative connotation.

840
00:30:51,014 --> 00:30:54,344
But you're right, like, people just
assume that it is because that's

841
00:30:54,354 --> 00:30:57,454
not how they view things or that's
not how society views things.

842
00:30:57,454 --> 00:30:58,554
So it's definitely a thing.

843
00:30:58,694 --> 00:31:00,904
And- So I'm glad you called
that out … even then, the,

844
00:31:00,914 --> 00:31:03,424
the negativity towards cuckold.

845
00:31:03,424 --> 00:31:07,254
I mean, I know people who are cuckolds
and- Mm-hmm, and they enjoy it.

846
00:31:07,254 --> 00:31:08,804
They, and they're not less than.

847
00:31:08,804 --> 00:31:08,824
Yeah.

848
00:31:08,824 --> 00:31:08,844
Right.

849
00:31:08,844 --> 00:31:09,174
You know?

850
00:31:09,174 --> 00:31:12,974
That's the big thing is they're,
they're using it in a way to make

851
00:31:12,974 --> 00:31:14,644
a, the person feel less than.

852
00:31:14,654 --> 00:31:18,324
And even in that particular
kink, they're not.

853
00:31:18,354 --> 00:31:19,034
Like, it- Yeah.

854
00:31:19,094 --> 00:31:22,574
Right … there's a power exchange,
but they're never less than, you know?

855
00:31:22,614 --> 00:31:22,804
Right.

856
00:31:22,804 --> 00:31:24,454
But they've consented
to that power exchange.

857
00:31:24,454 --> 00:31:24,954
Right.

858
00:31:25,214 --> 00:31:25,544
Right.

859
00:31:25,554 --> 00:31:25,644
Yeah.

860
00:31:25,644 --> 00:31:26,254
Right.

861
00:31:26,314 --> 00:31:28,974
So y'all mentioned something
that I love to discuss.

862
00:31:29,584 --> 00:31:29,904
Compersion.

863
00:31:30,824 --> 00:31:31,474
Yes.

864
00:31:31,654 --> 00:31:32,144
I don't have compersion.

865
00:31:33,238 --> 00:31:36,908
I do, I do not ca- I lo- I, I,
I have heard that in your show.

866
00:31:37,178 --> 00:31:40,042
It's funny because I, like- I, I am
the, I am the gir- yeah … it comes

867
00:31:40,042 --> 00:31:41,768
across in your show that you are not
a happy camper when it comes to that.

868
00:31:41,768 --> 00:31:42,868
I am not, yeah.

869
00:31:42,898 --> 00:31:45,158
I am not, I do not have compersion.

870
00:31:45,248 --> 00:31:46,018
Good for you.

871
00:31:46,028 --> 00:31:46,808
You did what you did.

872
00:31:46,818 --> 00:31:47,808
I don't wanna know about it.

873
00:31:47,858 --> 00:31:49,218
I really have to be in
a s- Oh, interesting.

874
00:31:49,218 --> 00:31:54,018
Yeah, I have to be in a, in a very
different head space for him to even

875
00:31:54,018 --> 00:31:57,308
ex- like, tell me, "Oh, how was your,
how was your friends with benefit date?

876
00:31:57,318 --> 00:31:59,748
Like, how was it?" Um, I don't wanna know.

877
00:31:59,748 --> 00:32:00,698
I'm the I don't wanna know.

878
00:32:00,798 --> 00:32:04,848
I'm also a very jealous woman.

879
00:32:05,248 --> 00:32:09,368
Like, it's the two things that people
say, "How do you even survive in the

880
00:32:09,368 --> 00:32:12,128
lifestyle?" They tell me, they're like,
"Why do you even wanna do this?" I'm

881
00:32:12,138 --> 00:32:13,518
like, I, I don't- And I'm like, "I-" Yeah.

882
00:32:13,518 --> 00:32:15,938
We- "… I like to taste
death a little bit."

883
00:32:15,938 --> 00:32:18,678
"I like to make sure I'm
still alive," you know?

884
00:32:18,678 --> 00:32:20,948
And, you know, um, in the beginning,
I didn't know how to navigate

885
00:32:21,008 --> 00:32:22,118
either of those two things.

886
00:32:22,298 --> 00:32:25,028
Like- Yeah … I just- Which
I'm sure made things difficult.

887
00:32:25,268 --> 00:32:26,028
Oh, for sure.

888
00:32:26,238 --> 00:32:26,758
Yeah.

889
00:32:26,858 --> 00:32:31,048
Years of, you know, we, we would
have disagreements, and in the

890
00:32:31,048 --> 00:32:34,048
lifestyle, get out of the lifestyle,
in the, you know, back and forth.

891
00:32:34,378 --> 00:32:38,088
But it, it took a lot of, um… And
we were just talking about this.

892
00:32:38,108 --> 00:32:42,588
It took a lot of understanding myself
and explaining and expressing it to him

893
00:32:42,828 --> 00:32:47,798
in a totally different way, not under
arguments or, you know, no one's yelling.

894
00:32:48,168 --> 00:32:53,068
"Look, you can have fun. I really don't
care if you have fun. I just wanna

895
00:32:53,068 --> 00:32:58,538
know that I am the only one who makes
you come that hard, feel that good."

896
00:32:58,538 --> 00:33:00,288
Like, in my brain, I just
wanna be the only person.

897
00:33:00,288 --> 00:33:02,468
And as long as he comes
home to you e- every night.

898
00:33:02,468 --> 00:33:03,218
Exactly, yeah.

899
00:33:03,218 --> 00:33:03,473
Yeah.

900
00:33:03,473 --> 00:33:04,988
That's, that's- Yeah … you
know, that's what matters.

901
00:33:04,988 --> 00:33:07,798
So props to you for, like, figuring
that out, 'cause a lot of people don't.

902
00:33:07,798 --> 00:33:10,108
And the- And being able to
communicate about it, too.

903
00:33:10,108 --> 00:33:12,408
I think that's, like, that's
the crux of the success of

904
00:33:12,408 --> 00:33:13,408
that, is that you actually- Yeah

905
00:33:13,408 --> 00:33:17,538
are able to say it out loud and have a
conversa- an adult conversation about it.

906
00:33:17,778 --> 00:33:18,478
Yes.

907
00:33:18,538 --> 00:33:18,938
Yeah.

908
00:33:18,938 --> 00:33:18,998
How do you even do it?

909
00:33:18,998 --> 00:33:23,788
Well, what's helped is that we have
a lot of therapists on the show.

910
00:33:24,138 --> 00:33:24,408
Yeah.

911
00:33:24,408 --> 00:33:26,038
We've had a lot of sex therapists.

912
00:33:26,238 --> 00:33:26,708
They help me, God, yeah.

913
00:33:26,968 --> 00:33:30,668
Relationship therapists, and we
have this conversation quite a bit.

914
00:33:31,078 --> 00:33:34,098
Um- And that's why they're there … and
that's- Exactly … a- and it's like

915
00:33:34,108 --> 00:33:37,558
every single time we've met up and,
and had somebody on the show, she

916
00:33:37,558 --> 00:33:41,088
walks away going, "Huh, I didn't
know that." But, you know, and I'm

917
00:33:41,088 --> 00:33:41,618
like- And they're fine with that.

918
00:33:41,678 --> 00:33:44,158
Yeah … and I'm like, "Dude, I told
you that a long time ago." "Well,

919
00:33:44,158 --> 00:33:46,018
yeah, no, I know you did, but…"

920
00:33:46,038 --> 00:33:46,898
You're not licensed.

921
00:33:47,328 --> 00:33:47,348
Yeah.

922
00:33:47,358 --> 00:33:48,158
I was like, you don't count.

923
00:33:48,158 --> 00:33:48,438
Yeah.

924
00:33:48,798 --> 00:33:50,288
It only works when somebody else says it.

925
00:33:50,288 --> 00:33:50,478
Yeah.

926
00:33:51,518 --> 00:33:52,038
That's right.

927
00:33:52,038 --> 00:33:52,908
That's right.

928
00:33:53,758 --> 00:33:57,828
Well, props to you, 'cause that's not the
easiest thing to do, so high five to you.

929
00:33:57,918 --> 00:33:59,578
You know, and I'm still
working through it.

930
00:33:59,578 --> 00:34:01,618
I have my days, but yeah.

931
00:34:01,618 --> 00:34:02,068
Everybody does.

932
00:34:02,068 --> 00:34:04,478
I- Hey, you know, I, I think
I deserve a high five too.

933
00:34:04,488 --> 00:34:04,938
Oh, for sure.

934
00:34:04,938 --> 00:34:05,678
And I'll tell you why.

935
00:34:07,238 --> 00:34:08,308
Navigating this.

936
00:34:08,308 --> 00:34:09,948
See, that's the, that's the guy
who needs a, the recognition.

937
00:34:09,948 --> 00:34:10,448
Yes.

938
00:34:10,508 --> 00:34:12,078
And- Navigating this.

939
00:34:12,658 --> 00:34:12,708
Agreed.

940
00:34:12,708 --> 00:34:18,178
To be able, to be able to say, "Okay,
let's, let's start having sex with

941
00:34:18,178 --> 00:34:22,348
other people," and "Okay, let's,
let's go ahead and start dating other

942
00:34:22,348 --> 00:34:31,104
people," and to navigate A woman
who has ADHD heavily, um, who really

943
00:34:31,104 --> 00:34:35,142
doesn't crave other people at all.

944
00:34:35,572 --> 00:34:39,752
Like- Mm … she likes the
experiences now, but initially, in

945
00:34:39,752 --> 00:34:41,722
the beginning, she only did it for me.

946
00:34:41,782 --> 00:34:42,152
Yeah.

947
00:34:42,222 --> 00:34:42,452
Yeah.

948
00:34:42,482 --> 00:34:44,322
Um, a- a- admittedly now.

949
00:34:44,332 --> 00:34:44,552
Mm-hmm.

950
00:34:44,872 --> 00:34:49,852
Um, and now she's just starting to enjoy
her experiences- Yeah … for herself.

951
00:34:50,222 --> 00:34:51,352
And I'm in menopause.

952
00:34:51,832 --> 00:34:53,102
And she was in menopause.

953
00:34:53,382 --> 00:34:53,822
Cherry on top.

954
00:34:53,822 --> 00:34:54,300
Throw that in the mix.

955
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:56,992
She was, she was perimenopause
when we were poly.

956
00:34:56,992 --> 00:34:57,400
I was very, yeah.

957
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:57,822
Yeah, yeah.

958
00:34:57,872 --> 00:35:04,032
And, uh, you know, it, to be able to
navigate it all and not just say- And

959
00:35:04,032 --> 00:35:06,442
you're still alive … "Fuck all, I'm
done with this." Fuck all this, yeah.

960
00:35:06,482 --> 00:35:07,582
Yeah, e- none of this.

961
00:35:08,052 --> 00:35:09,602
You sir, are a patient
man and deserve an award.

962
00:35:10,452 --> 00:35:11,482
And that's why we have a podcast.

963
00:35:14,102 --> 00:35:14,762
You know what it is?

964
00:35:14,762 --> 00:35:15,462
That sounds like BDSM to me.

965
00:35:15,642 --> 00:35:16,032
Right?

966
00:35:16,572 --> 00:35:18,452
I, I like the beating, apparently.

967
00:35:18,532 --> 00:35:18,982
I do like the beating.

968
00:35:18,982 --> 00:35:19,632
Oh, I don't know, man.

969
00:35:19,632 --> 00:35:21,352
We're gonna have to meet up at
Houston- There's a- … 'cause I

970
00:35:21,362 --> 00:35:23,272
definitely have to try … there's
some underlying tone there, I'm sure.

971
00:35:23,322 --> 00:35:23,842
Yeah.

972
00:35:24,052 --> 00:35:25,022
Oh, so much.

973
00:35:25,082 --> 00:35:25,432
So much.

974
00:35:25,472 --> 00:35:26,162
I wanna be in the cube.

975
00:35:26,162 --> 00:35:26,292
Come on.

976
00:35:26,452 --> 00:35:29,122
You gotta do the cube?

977
00:35:29,142 --> 00:35:29,582
I do.

978
00:35:29,592 --> 00:35:29,612
Yeah?

979
00:35:29,922 --> 00:35:30,892
I wanna do the cube.

980
00:35:31,062 --> 00:35:33,272
I mean, and now that I talk,
I start talking to different

981
00:35:33,292 --> 00:35:37,192
people who have different kinks,
it really does spark interest.

982
00:35:37,212 --> 00:35:41,162
Like, it really, you know, having these
type of conversations really do spark,

983
00:35:41,162 --> 00:35:46,262
like, that little curiosity of, "Hmm,
I didn't even know that existed." Yeah.

984
00:35:46,262 --> 00:35:46,662
Yeah, yeah.

985
00:35:46,662 --> 00:35:49,572
One of my friends, uh, calls
it, uh, being trisexual.

986
00:35:49,602 --> 00:35:53,562
You try anything once, try it twice, maybe
three times to make sure you don't like

987
00:35:53,562 --> 00:35:55,652
it or, or you do like it, and, and you go.

988
00:35:56,012 --> 00:35:56,482
There you go, Jason.

989
00:35:56,482 --> 00:35:57,262
Give it a fair shake.

990
00:35:57,282 --> 00:35:57,562
Yeah.

991
00:35:57,612 --> 00:36:00,242
Yeah, so you know, it's interesting,
like my girlfriend and I have discovered,

992
00:36:00,242 --> 00:36:03,682
like we're very much on the voyeur
and exhibitionism side of things.

993
00:36:03,682 --> 00:36:04,752
Like, we really enjoy that.

994
00:36:05,172 --> 00:36:09,792
Um, she does indulge me in, in
some of my, some of my things.

995
00:36:09,812 --> 00:36:12,022
And honestly, like a lot of
it I'm still just learning.

996
00:36:12,022 --> 00:36:14,992
Like, you know, there's things that
I wanna try that we haven't done yet.

997
00:36:15,042 --> 00:36:15,322
Mm-hmm.

998
00:36:15,342 --> 00:36:18,472
Um, you know, like I, I have a
fascination with the St. Andrew's

999
00:36:18,472 --> 00:36:20,092
cross, and I have yet to be on one.

1000
00:36:20,092 --> 00:36:23,222
So like, all of my brother's friends-
Ooh … are like super excited that

1001
00:36:23,242 --> 00:36:27,102
like, "Ooh, who's gonna be the first
one?" So, um, you know, so there's that.

1002
00:36:27,102 --> 00:36:30,242
But like, for me, um,
like pegging is my thing.

1003
00:36:30,252 --> 00:36:31,812
Like, I enjoy anal play.

1004
00:36:32,062 --> 00:36:32,402
Mm-hmm.

1005
00:36:32,412 --> 00:36:34,082
From, you know, from my perspective.

1006
00:36:34,092 --> 00:36:34,112
Yeah.

1007
00:36:34,132 --> 00:36:37,602
Um, and in the swinging
community, that is not okay.

1008
00:36:37,762 --> 00:36:37,932
No.

1009
00:36:37,932 --> 00:36:40,182
Like, that is not something- Yeah … that
is broadcast in- I mean, there's,

1010
00:36:40,222 --> 00:36:45,162
there's a small, um, subgroup that w-
that we're aware of in our community,

1011
00:36:45,542 --> 00:36:46,932
uh- That loves that … that love it.

1012
00:36:46,982 --> 00:36:50,462
Yeah But for the most part, I mean,
there's people that will look the

1013
00:36:50,462 --> 00:36:51,722
other way, and it's like, really?

1014
00:36:51,892 --> 00:36:55,412
Like- Yeah … how are you gonna
express judgment in an arena- I-

1015
00:36:55,412 --> 00:36:57,352
where we don't wanna be judged, you know?

1016
00:36:57,352 --> 00:36:58,282
Y- yeah, exactly.

1017
00:36:58,292 --> 00:36:58,422
Amen.

1018
00:36:58,462 --> 00:37:02,052
Like, I don't… And, and there's a lot
of women that love to do that to their

1019
00:37:02,052 --> 00:37:04,722
husbands, and no one talks about it.

1020
00:37:04,732 --> 00:37:08,372
And I'm like, "Well, why not?"
Like it's, it's an experience.

1021
00:37:08,372 --> 00:37:12,542
It doesn't mean that pers- you know,
that your husband's gay or, you

1022
00:37:12,542 --> 00:37:14,212
know, just wants to have anal play.

1023
00:37:14,212 --> 00:37:16,012
Like, it's has no… It
doesn't diminish you.

1024
00:37:16,212 --> 00:37:17,392
And I think that's what a lot
of people- It's, it's still my

1025
00:37:17,392 --> 00:37:19,064
girlfriend behind me, like you know?

1026
00:37:19,064 --> 00:37:19,190
Yeah.

1027
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:19,842
Like, it's- Yeah.

1028
00:37:20,142 --> 00:37:20,342
Yeah.

1029
00:37:20,482 --> 00:37:21,422
There's nothing gay about it.

1030
00:37:21,422 --> 00:37:22,622
That's so… Exactly.

1031
00:37:22,632 --> 00:37:22,652
Yeah.

1032
00:37:23,882 --> 00:37:26,372
It's just the things that people
say, man, just blow my mind.

1033
00:37:26,372 --> 00:37:26,722
Yeah.

1034
00:37:27,082 --> 00:37:29,842
Like, we've, we've talked to some
people, and they're like, "No, that's,

1035
00:37:29,882 --> 00:37:31,832
that's, you know, that's, that's so gay."

1036
00:37:31,832 --> 00:37:35,022
And I'm like, "A- a-
and?" What's the big deal?

1037
00:37:35,362 --> 00:37:35,927
Like And what's wrong with that?

1038
00:37:35,927 --> 00:37:36,082
Yeah.

1039
00:37:36,082 --> 00:37:37,312
What are you saying to me?

1040
00:37:38,132 --> 00:37:39,542
We figured out pleasure.

1041
00:37:40,132 --> 00:37:40,382
Yeah.

1042
00:37:40,392 --> 00:37:41,882
So, you know, and I'll- I'm guilty.

1043
00:37:41,882 --> 00:37:43,972
Like, I subscribe to all
of that, too, you know?

1044
00:37:43,982 --> 00:37:44,182
Yeah.

1045
00:37:44,182 --> 00:37:46,842
And then you start learning about,
you know, the science of, you

1046
00:37:46,842 --> 00:37:48,172
know, the men's, you know- Yes

1047
00:37:48,182 --> 00:37:50,672
the prostate and the pleasure
spot that we have, you know?

1048
00:37:50,682 --> 00:37:53,892
It's the women's G-spot just
happens to be in our ass.

1049
00:37:53,902 --> 00:37:55,602
Like, that's what, you know-
Yeah … that's what it is.

1050
00:37:56,002 --> 00:37:58,812
You know, and once you really have an
appreciation for that and an understanding

1051
00:37:58,812 --> 00:38:02,572
of that, it changes how you view those
things, where it's like, oh, okay,

1052
00:38:02,572 --> 00:38:03,992
well, that's supposed to feel good.

1053
00:38:04,422 --> 00:38:08,292
You know, not shameful or not to
be ashamed of, but it's, it's an

1054
00:38:08,292 --> 00:38:09,902
erogenous zone, and it's okay.

1055
00:38:09,912 --> 00:38:09,932
Yeah.

1056
00:38:10,312 --> 00:38:13,272
Um, and once you kind of, like, work
through that and, you know, much like

1057
00:38:13,272 --> 00:38:14,522
you, Adam, like, I'm a homework guy.

1058
00:38:14,522 --> 00:38:15,872
Like, I study everything.

1059
00:38:15,872 --> 00:38:16,862
I wanna read all about it.

1060
00:38:17,182 --> 00:38:17,292
Yeah.

1061
00:38:17,292 --> 00:38:20,762
You know, and I go down rabbit
holes that are, are too in-depth

1062
00:38:20,762 --> 00:38:21,682
to even talk about here.

1063
00:38:22,042 --> 00:38:25,092
But, like, that's where you learn all
that stuff from, and once, you know,

1064
00:38:25,092 --> 00:38:29,022
you understand kinda the mechanics
behind all that, you, it makes it

1065
00:38:29,042 --> 00:38:32,782
a much different conversation than,
"Oh, he must be gay," you know?

1066
00:38:32,842 --> 00:38:34,152
Like- Yeah … it has
nothing to do with it.

1067
00:38:34,152 --> 00:38:34,262
Yeah.

1068
00:38:34,262 --> 00:38:34,552
So.

1069
00:38:34,692 --> 00:38:38,552
Well, you know, oftentimes it's,
it's the people that say that kinda

1070
00:38:38,562 --> 00:38:44,282
stuff are not trying to figure things
out from an educational standpoint.

1071
00:38:44,322 --> 00:38:44,462
Right.

1072
00:38:44,462 --> 00:38:44,527
Yeah.

1073
00:38:44,527 --> 00:38:45,052
You know what I mean?

1074
00:38:45,342 --> 00:38:48,122
Like, they're not here for the
community of… They're, they're

1075
00:38:48,122 --> 00:38:51,302
here to get their rocks off in
the- Yep … nastiest of ways, and

1076
00:38:51,392 --> 00:38:52,162
they're- Exactly … gonna be out.

1077
00:38:52,172 --> 00:38:52,772
You know what I mean?

1078
00:38:52,782 --> 00:38:53,242
Mm-hmm.

1079
00:38:53,322 --> 00:38:55,782
Uh, so yeah, that's,
that's always the thing.

1080
00:38:55,782 --> 00:38:58,992
But, you know, I, I am curious,
Jason, a- and I know we kind of,

1081
00:38:59,802 --> 00:39:05,442
I don't know, we flew over it just
real quick, but you have a thing for

1082
00:39:05,442 --> 00:39:09,522
the, for the jockeys and the thongs.

1083
00:39:09,552 --> 00:39:10,062
Is that right?

1084
00:39:10,062 --> 00:39:10,382
Correct.

1085
00:39:10,502 --> 00:39:10,802
Yeah.

1086
00:39:10,862 --> 00:39:11,772
Now, I, I- Jocks and thongs.

1087
00:39:11,882 --> 00:39:14,262
Now, how did, how did that come up?

1088
00:39:14,272 --> 00:39:18,312
Like, when did you realize that
you had a- I, I'm, I gotta know.

1089
00:39:18,332 --> 00:39:21,932
Like, how, how did you sit, when you sat
back and you said, "You know what? Fuck

1090
00:39:21,932 --> 00:39:27,472
yeah. This is me." So I had a client
that was in the gay men's underwear

1091
00:39:27,472 --> 00:39:29,962
space, and I had this client for years.

1092
00:39:30,652 --> 00:39:34,982
One day, for whatever reason, I
decided I was gonna place an order

1093
00:39:34,982 --> 00:39:37,702
there just because I was curious
what all the hype was about.

1094
00:39:38,482 --> 00:39:41,362
And I didn't know what I
wanted, so I ordered a mystery

1095
00:39:41,362 --> 00:39:42,692
pack 'cause I couldn't decide.

1096
00:39:42,692 --> 00:39:45,242
I was like, I don't know what,
what I… Like, I don't know.

1097
00:39:45,252 --> 00:39:46,432
Like, I wear boxer briefs.

1098
00:39:46,432 --> 00:39:48,132
I don't know anything
from jocks or thongs.

1099
00:39:48,522 --> 00:39:50,882
So I ordered a mystery pack,
and I was like, whatever they're

1100
00:39:50,882 --> 00:39:51,972
gonna send, they'll just send it.

1101
00:39:52,352 --> 00:39:56,132
So in that mystery pack was,
um, two thongs and a jock.

1102
00:39:56,812 --> 00:39:57,622
And I was like, all right.

1103
00:39:57,632 --> 00:40:03,472
So I tried the jock on, and I showed
my girlfriend, and I actually liked it.

1104
00:40:03,512 --> 00:40:04,762
Like, I liked how it felt.

1105
00:40:04,792 --> 00:40:05,862
I liked the support.

1106
00:40:05,972 --> 00:40:06,252
Like- Mm-hmm

1107
00:40:06,252 --> 00:40:07,242
it wasn't uncomfortable.

1108
00:40:07,242 --> 00:40:09,162
Everybody's like, "Oh, how can
you have that thing riding up your

1109
00:40:09,162 --> 00:40:10,992
ass?" It was not like that at all.

1110
00:40:11,572 --> 00:40:15,432
I swear they are the most comfortable
types of underwear that I own,

1111
00:40:15,782 --> 00:40:17,402
and I own a lot of them now.

1112
00:40:17,882 --> 00:40:21,732
But that's how it started was, it was,
I, I had a client that was in that space.

1113
00:40:21,762 --> 00:40:23,202
I had worked with that client for years.

1114
00:40:23,552 --> 00:40:26,192
I don't know what it was that day
where I was just like, you know what?

1115
00:40:26,192 --> 00:40:27,522
Like, I'm gonna place an order.

1116
00:40:27,522 --> 00:40:28,772
I'm just, I just wanna see.

1117
00:40:29,242 --> 00:40:30,152
And that's how it started.

1118
00:40:31,304 --> 00:40:31,974
Wow.

1119
00:40:32,464 --> 00:40:36,294
I, that's, that's fascinating I've always
wanted to- Yeah … watch him in a thigh.

1120
00:40:36,304 --> 00:40:39,134
I always tell him, I'm like, "I'm
gonna buy you one." And he's like,

1121
00:40:39,134 --> 00:40:40,454
"No, no, I don't think I'd like that."

1122
00:40:40,454 --> 00:40:41,664
I'm like- I'm all thigh, baby.

1123
00:40:41,944 --> 00:40:45,144
And I don't think I… You know,
I'm gonna swallow those things up.

1124
00:40:45,154 --> 00:40:45,814
You know what?

1125
00:40:45,814 --> 00:40:47,414
And it's, it's not gonna be good.

1126
00:40:47,414 --> 00:40:47,579
I promise you.

1127
00:40:47,579 --> 00:40:48,934
I'm just gonna have to
keep putting more on.

1128
00:40:48,944 --> 00:40:49,728
I'm not gonna be able to take any off.

1129
00:40:49,728 --> 00:40:51,924
So I, I hope I've changed
your opinion of this.

1130
00:40:51,974 --> 00:40:54,824
And Pris, if you want, I will be
more than happy to send you some

1131
00:40:54,834 --> 00:40:57,104
brand recommendations and- Yeah

1132
00:40:57,164 --> 00:41:00,744
you go buy him a pair and see if he'll
wear them, and I bet he likes them.

1133
00:41:00,994 --> 00:41:01,994
I bet you would.

1134
00:41:02,264 --> 00:41:05,714
You know, that's the, that's one thing
is, is, and I've, I've always told

1135
00:41:05,714 --> 00:41:07,534
her, I'm open-minded to whatever.

1136
00:41:07,544 --> 00:41:07,574
Yes.

1137
00:41:07,834 --> 00:41:13,134
And I, and I think that's really
what's cool about how the two of you

1138
00:41:13,584 --> 00:41:17,214
found your kinks, even before y'all
even opened it up to each other.

1139
00:41:18,174 --> 00:41:23,314
But to be able to be honest
with yourself- Mm-hmm … and

1140
00:41:23,314 --> 00:41:26,364
say, "Shit, I like this." Yeah.

1141
00:41:26,374 --> 00:41:27,534
And you know what?

1142
00:41:27,544 --> 00:41:28,014
Fuck it.

1143
00:41:28,054 --> 00:41:29,934
I, I'm gonna enjoy this.

1144
00:41:29,964 --> 00:41:30,364
Mm-hmm.

1145
00:41:30,504 --> 00:41:30,964
You know?

1146
00:41:31,862 --> 00:41:35,252
And, and I'll tell you, you know,
from, from that aspect, it, it

1147
00:41:35,252 --> 00:41:38,812
actually helped me like health-wise
because I saw how I looked and I

1148
00:41:38,812 --> 00:41:40,142
was like, "Oh, I really like these."

1149
00:41:40,142 --> 00:41:43,782
And then I was like, "Oh, I could really
look good in these." So I cleaned up

1150
00:41:43,782 --> 00:41:47,542
my diet, I went back to the gym, I lost
some weight, like I started working out.

1151
00:41:48,242 --> 00:41:51,452
And then it was like, oh my God,
like now I, you know, now I really

1152
00:41:51,452 --> 00:41:52,582
like the way that I look in this.

1153
00:41:52,592 --> 00:41:55,152
So it helped me in- Now your
ass just looks amazing, I bet.

1154
00:41:55,202 --> 00:41:57,112
It, it helped me in so many ways.

1155
00:41:57,152 --> 00:41:59,132
Like, just something
stupid like that, you know?

1156
00:41:59,132 --> 00:41:59,262
Yeah.

1157
00:41:59,262 --> 00:42:01,692
Like on a whim I ordered a couple pair
of underwear 'cause I thought, "What

1158
00:42:01,692 --> 00:42:06,222
the hell?" And it totally changed my
life from health and, you know, the kink

1159
00:42:06,222 --> 00:42:08,112
side and, you know, all of this stuff.

1160
00:42:08,122 --> 00:42:10,852
So it, it really is- Same … it's
just weird- That's amazing

1161
00:42:10,852 --> 00:42:11,542
how it works like that.

1162
00:42:12,082 --> 00:42:16,042
The confidence I get from wearing,
wearing this piece of fabric that

1163
00:42:16,042 --> 00:42:18,762
is, you know, rubber, uh, it's,
it- I mean, I saw a picture of you.

1164
00:42:18,762 --> 00:42:19,872
You looked amazing.

1165
00:42:19,972 --> 00:42:20,432
Thank you.

1166
00:42:21,022 --> 00:42:22,282
Yeah, it, I feel amazing.

1167
00:42:22,292 --> 00:42:25,802
Yeah, it just, like the second I put
it on, I, I f- I become somebody else.

1168
00:42:25,812 --> 00:42:28,152
Like it's just- Yeah … it,
it, it's a total transformation.

1169
00:42:28,742 --> 00:42:29,382
I get that.

1170
00:42:29,382 --> 00:42:32,642
I, whenever we go to the club, we're
exhibitionists and voyeurs, so it's like

1171
00:42:32,652 --> 00:42:36,152
when I put that lingerie on, I- Yeah
… the only place I'll wear like a panty

1172
00:42:36,152 --> 00:42:38,224
and a bra, whatever, I feel super sexy.

1173
00:42:38,224 --> 00:42:39,692
You just, you carry yourself
a little differently.

1174
00:42:39,702 --> 00:42:39,992
Yes.

1175
00:42:40,042 --> 00:42:42,094
And you're like, "Yeah, I'm,
I'm a badass." Like- I'm

1176
00:42:42,094 --> 00:42:42,152
like, "I'm on the shit."

1177
00:42:42,152 --> 00:42:43,062
"I'm rocking it." Yes.

1178
00:42:43,062 --> 00:42:43,662
Yeah.

1179
00:42:44,722 --> 00:42:45,052
I don't know.

1180
00:42:45,062 --> 00:42:46,472
See, I, I don't wear anything.

1181
00:42:47,092 --> 00:42:47,212
Yeah.

1182
00:42:47,212 --> 00:42:48,392
Like I don't wear anything.

1183
00:42:48,392 --> 00:42:50,142
There's nothing- 'Cause
you're already a badass.

1184
00:42:50,972 --> 00:42:51,326
You wear your, you wear your Hey Dudes.

1185
00:42:51,326 --> 00:42:51,392
I do.

1186
00:42:51,392 --> 00:42:52,332
I have Hey Dudes.

1187
00:42:52,952 --> 00:42:53,482
He loves his Hey Dudes.

1188
00:42:53,802 --> 00:42:55,382
I wear my nice and my
dad shoes apparently.

1189
00:42:55,382 --> 00:42:56,612
He just started him on Hey Dudes, so.

1190
00:42:56,672 --> 00:42:56,952
All right.

1191
00:42:57,362 --> 00:42:58,392
They're, they're very comfortable.

1192
00:42:58,752 --> 00:43:00,512
Uh, so I guess that's,
that could be my kink.

1193
00:43:00,512 --> 00:43:00,542
There you go.

1194
00:43:00,542 --> 00:43:00,572
There you go.

1195
00:43:00,572 --> 00:43:00,602
There you go.

1196
00:43:00,602 --> 00:43:02,782
You know, I wear 'em, I
wear them everywhere I go.

1197
00:43:03,062 --> 00:43:06,042
Uh, you know- Well- … I, I would
love to be a nudist, honestly.

1198
00:43:06,442 --> 00:43:10,312
Uh, but I am very, very
insecure about my body.

1199
00:43:10,322 --> 00:43:10,682
Yeah.

1200
00:43:10,692 --> 00:43:15,892
So the contradictions i- in and of
itself, like it, it's nuts, you know?

1201
00:43:15,902 --> 00:43:17,172
Have you guys been to Hippie Hollow?

1202
00:43:17,882 --> 00:43:18,562
I have not.

1203
00:43:18,592 --> 00:43:20,472
I haven't been in like 25 years.

1204
00:43:21,042 --> 00:43:23,232
Like- And there's, there's a lot
of people that go out there in,

1205
00:43:23,252 --> 00:43:25,702
in our communities and it's just
like- Yeah … I don't know, man.

1206
00:43:25,702 --> 00:43:28,902
I, I don't, I don't, I just don't…
A- and everybody's like, "Well, you

1207
00:43:28,902 --> 00:43:31,522
don't have to, like, get naked." Yeah.

1208
00:43:31,562 --> 00:43:34,592
Like, you can still come out and,
you know, you could take your time.

1209
00:43:34,602 --> 00:43:38,312
Like some people, they just feel real
good in the community and like a nudist

1210
00:43:38,312 --> 00:43:39,452
community and that sort of thing.

1211
00:43:39,512 --> 00:43:41,412
They make 'em feel so
comfortable that before you

1212
00:43:41,422 --> 00:43:43,792
know it, they just do it, right?

1213
00:43:44,232 --> 00:43:45,884
Um- I don't know.

1214
00:43:46,524 --> 00:43:48,334
I don't even, uh… I'm with you.

1215
00:43:48,334 --> 00:43:49,904
I'm, I'm not a nudist kinda person.

1216
00:43:49,904 --> 00:43:51,534
I'm not showing- Yeah … my
body off in, in public.

1217
00:43:51,534 --> 00:43:51,554
No.

1218
00:43:52,314 --> 00:43:52,514
This is true.

1219
00:43:52,544 --> 00:43:54,714
I've never been to Hippie Hollow,
but- Yeah … but it made me think

1220
00:43:54,714 --> 00:43:58,064
of that, like, you know, if, if you
can take that step, you know, you may

1221
00:43:58,074 --> 00:43:59,514
find it's not as bad as you think.

1222
00:43:59,544 --> 00:43:59,694
Yeah.

1223
00:43:59,824 --> 00:44:00,899
You know, I'm in the- That's true

1224
00:44:00,899 --> 00:44:02,354
mindset of I, I don't care.

1225
00:44:02,534 --> 00:44:03,334
I could care less.

1226
00:44:03,344 --> 00:44:04,304
Like, I am not- Yeah.

1227
00:44:04,544 --> 00:44:07,114
I need to work out, but I am just- Well,
dude, you're s- freaking smoking hot, man

1228
00:44:07,114 --> 00:44:10,334
… I just, I, I was talking, I was telling
him, I was like, "I'm in that point of

1229
00:44:10,354 --> 00:44:13,644
my life that I'm like I, I feel great.

1230
00:44:14,024 --> 00:44:17,714
Yeah, I could go to the gym, and yeah, I
should be eating better, but I feel great.

1231
00:44:17,754 --> 00:44:20,124
I could care less." And
that's all that matters.

1232
00:44:20,344 --> 00:44:20,584
Yeah.

1233
00:44:20,594 --> 00:44:21,394
Bang of a shit.

1234
00:44:21,394 --> 00:44:22,054
It doesn't matter.

1235
00:44:22,544 --> 00:44:23,594
That, that's all that matters.

1236
00:44:23,604 --> 00:44:23,624
Yeah.

1237
00:44:23,634 --> 00:44:24,644
Like, it's how you feel.

1238
00:44:24,644 --> 00:44:25,014
Hippie Hollow.

1239
00:44:25,014 --> 00:44:26,884
And, like, confidence is sexy, right?

1240
00:44:26,944 --> 00:44:27,354
You know?

1241
00:44:27,634 --> 00:44:27,894
Yeah.

1242
00:44:27,904 --> 00:44:28,394
Exactly.

1243
00:44:28,404 --> 00:44:28,714
Yeah.

1244
00:44:28,934 --> 00:44:31,244
Which is funny, so I'm an exhibitionist.

1245
00:44:31,594 --> 00:44:32,224
We are.

1246
00:44:32,624 --> 00:44:34,054
Uh, we go to the club.

1247
00:44:34,224 --> 00:44:36,554
We have sex in front of everybody- Yeah

1248
00:44:36,574 --> 00:44:38,424
at the club all night long.

1249
00:44:38,434 --> 00:44:40,034
Um- You like the fishbowl room?

1250
00:44:40,654 --> 00:44:41,154
Yes.

1251
00:44:41,554 --> 00:44:41,774
Yeah.

1252
00:44:41,774 --> 00:44:43,944
You know, I… They took the couches away.

1253
00:44:44,144 --> 00:44:44,494
Yeah.

1254
00:44:44,494 --> 00:44:44,874
Yeah.

1255
00:44:45,514 --> 00:44:45,754
Yeah.

1256
00:44:45,754 --> 00:44:48,504
But, uh, you know, that's my
favorite thing is putting on a show.

1257
00:44:48,514 --> 00:44:48,534
Yeah.

1258
00:44:48,544 --> 00:44:50,024
Now, I could be naked there.

1259
00:44:50,678 --> 00:44:52,588
But as soon as I- 'Cause
you're around your people.

1260
00:44:52,778 --> 00:44:53,138
Right.

1261
00:44:53,138 --> 00:44:55,968
Well, well Yeah … as
soon as I'm done- He-

1262
00:44:55,998 --> 00:44:58,768
I'm putting on my, I'm
putting, yeah You're the first

1263
00:44:58,768 --> 00:44:59,410
one to put clothes on, huh?

1264
00:44:59,410 --> 00:44:59,731
Put my underwear.

1265
00:44:59,731 --> 00:44:59,945
That's right.

1266
00:44:59,945 --> 00:45:00,158
Yeah, yeah.

1267
00:45:00,158 --> 00:45:01,118
Oh, real quick.

1268
00:45:01,238 --> 00:45:01,748
Real quick.

1269
00:45:01,758 --> 00:45:01,778
Yeah.

1270
00:45:01,788 --> 00:45:03,748
If I could just kinda
fade to the background.

1271
00:45:03,828 --> 00:45:06,188
I'm just like, "You stay there in
front of everybody. They'll look

1272
00:45:06,188 --> 00:45:08,148
at you while I sneak away." Yeah.

1273
00:45:08,498 --> 00:45:12,648
So just maybe the thong will give you
enough coverage that you feel better.

1274
00:45:12,678 --> 00:45:14,278
Mm. But you're still showing off.

1275
00:45:14,308 --> 00:45:14,958
Mm, look at that.

1276
00:45:15,178 --> 00:45:15,458
See?

1277
00:45:15,908 --> 00:45:19,698
Gryff issued you- Look at you … a
challenge right there, I think.

1278
00:45:20,028 --> 00:45:20,406
Look at you.

1279
00:45:20,406 --> 00:45:21,248
You know, you- Challenge accepted.

1280
00:45:21,248 --> 00:45:22,138
I'm trying to help you out, Pris.

1281
00:45:23,228 --> 00:45:24,218
My goodness.

1282
00:45:24,498 --> 00:45:27,788
So guys, where do y'all
see the podcast going?

1283
00:45:27,988 --> 00:45:29,368
Yeah, what's the plans-
Like, what's the next?

1284
00:45:29,368 --> 00:45:30,588
… for Kinky Bros Podcast?

1285
00:45:30,808 --> 00:45:31,968
Who the fuck knows?

1286
00:45:32,528 --> 00:45:32,698
Yes.

1287
00:45:33,098 --> 00:45:34,288
That's a great question.

1288
00:45:34,428 --> 00:45:35,548
That is a great question.

1289
00:45:35,548 --> 00:45:38,388
I, like, honestly, we didn't think it
would get to where it is, you know?

1290
00:45:38,398 --> 00:45:38,418
Yeah.

1291
00:45:38,428 --> 00:45:42,638
We, so one of the stats that we read
was, was it, like, 90% of the podcasts

1292
00:45:42,648 --> 00:45:45,818
fail before the first 10 episodes
or fail, fail before- Yeah … the

1293
00:45:45,818 --> 00:45:47,108
10th episode or something like that.

1294
00:45:47,128 --> 00:45:47,148
Mm-hmm.

1295
00:45:47,148 --> 00:45:47,838
I read that.

1296
00:45:47,958 --> 00:45:50,518
When, when we, when we got to
10, we were like, "Oh my God.

1297
00:45:51,358 --> 00:45:52,018
We made it to 10." We did it.

1298
00:45:52,018 --> 00:45:52,498
We did it.

1299
00:45:52,528 --> 00:45:52,928
We did it.

1300
00:45:52,928 --> 00:45:53,468
Yeah.

1301
00:45:53,528 --> 00:45:56,228
So, you know, I don't think
either one of us thought it would

1302
00:45:56,228 --> 00:45:57,918
get to be where it's at now.

1303
00:45:57,928 --> 00:45:57,948
Yeah.

1304
00:45:58,368 --> 00:46:02,308
Um, and, you know, we've got a,
a good season two planned out.

1305
00:46:02,308 --> 00:46:04,068
We've recorded a lot of the shows already.

1306
00:46:04,488 --> 00:46:08,808
Um, really diving more into, like,
the kink side of things or what

1307
00:46:08,808 --> 00:46:10,538
we're into and a lot of guests.

1308
00:46:10,538 --> 00:46:12,478
In fact, you had brought up,
you know, the hot wife thing.

1309
00:46:12,788 --> 00:46:15,548
We actually have, um, we have
a hot wife episode coming out.

1310
00:46:15,738 --> 00:46:20,078
Um, one of my near and dear friends is
a hot wife, so we had her on the show.

1311
00:46:20,478 --> 00:46:24,288
And, um, yeah, so we're trying to
cover different topics that, you

1312
00:46:24,288 --> 00:46:28,238
know, our, our, our typical group,
um, isn't used to hearing about, and

1313
00:46:28,238 --> 00:46:29,638
they seem to really be enjoying it.

1314
00:46:29,678 --> 00:46:33,288
Um- Yeah, like we're swingers, not,
you know, in the kink world, so.

1315
00:46:33,828 --> 00:46:34,548
Yeah, yeah.

1316
00:46:34,548 --> 00:46:36,138
Yeah, we have a lot of people
that- Uh, we have a lot of

1317
00:46:36,138 --> 00:46:37,318
swinksters, as they call them.

1318
00:46:37,318 --> 00:46:37,338
We do.

1319
00:46:37,338 --> 00:46:37,378
I like that term.

1320
00:46:37,378 --> 00:46:37,388
Yeah.

1321
00:46:37,388 --> 00:46:37,418
Yeah, they're swinksters.

1322
00:46:37,418 --> 00:46:39,008
Straight play on that.

1323
00:46:39,008 --> 00:46:42,898
It's, you know, it's funny, I used
to explain it like a Venn diagram.

1324
00:46:42,898 --> 00:46:46,048
You have swingers on one side, you
have the BDSM or kink community on

1325
00:46:46,058 --> 00:46:48,688
the other side, and then there's a
little bit of overlap in the middle.

1326
00:46:48,688 --> 00:46:49,028
Yeah.

1327
00:46:49,028 --> 00:46:49,338
Yeah.

1328
00:46:49,338 --> 00:46:51,873
Um, you know, between the two, so,
um, so yeah, it's been a thing.

1329
00:46:51,873 --> 00:46:53,568
It's, it's actually, it's
starting to grow more.

1330
00:46:53,568 --> 00:46:53,888
Uh- It is.

1331
00:46:54,148 --> 00:46:56,638
We're gonna go to our first
BDSM thing at the club.

1332
00:46:56,638 --> 00:46:57,238
Kink night.

1333
00:46:57,288 --> 00:46:57,718
Kink night.

1334
00:46:57,738 --> 00:47:01,468
we have a friend who is a domme,
and she's bringing her sub.

1335
00:47:01,758 --> 00:47:02,008
Yeah.

1336
00:47:02,028 --> 00:47:05,958
So I've, we've never been to that part of,
or- Oh, I cannot wait to hear about that.

1337
00:47:05,958 --> 00:47:05,968
Yeah.

1338
00:47:05,968 --> 00:47:07,698
You guys have got to update us on that.

1339
00:47:07,768 --> 00:47:08,138
We will.

1340
00:47:08,148 --> 00:47:08,698
Yeah, yeah.

1341
00:47:08,698 --> 00:47:08,738
We will.

1342
00:47:08,738 --> 00:47:10,198
We're gonna go to kink night.

1343
00:47:10,688 --> 00:47:13,668
Uh, so yeah, we'll see
where, where that goes.

1344
00:47:13,688 --> 00:47:15,098
We don't know what's gonna
happen with that, but.

1345
00:47:15,618 --> 00:47:17,528
Uh, you know, it's
also, it's a work night.

1346
00:47:18,036 --> 00:47:19,653
So I don't know how kinky
I can get on a work night.

1347
00:47:19,653 --> 00:47:20,096
Yeah, school nights,
school nights are hard.

1348
00:47:20,096 --> 00:47:20,396
Yeah.

1349
00:47:20,436 --> 00:47:21,706
I was like, how long
are we gonna be there?

1350
00:47:21,716 --> 00:47:23,556
You can be kinky till
about 10:00 or 11:00.

1351
00:47:23,556 --> 00:47:24,296
That's right.

1352
00:47:24,506 --> 00:47:28,076
I feel like us just- 9:00 … going
out is our kinkiness right there.

1353
00:47:28,086 --> 00:47:29,996
Like, that's- The club opens
at 9:00, so you give me…

1354
00:47:30,006 --> 00:47:31,826
I give you an hour, and after that- Yeah
… I'm gonna be like, "Okay, it's time

1355
00:47:31,826 --> 00:47:35,056
to go." Actually, it opens at 8:00- Oh
… on, on- Then even better … Thursdays.

1356
00:47:35,056 --> 00:47:35,726
Two hours.

1357
00:47:35,756 --> 00:47:38,846
I'll be like, "I gotta be in bed."
That's one, that's one of the things

1358
00:47:38,846 --> 00:47:42,276
that we hate about the, the swinging
stuff, is everything starts so late.

1359
00:47:42,286 --> 00:47:43,016
You know, like- Yeah.

1360
00:47:43,206 --> 00:47:46,086
Yeah … you know, for us during the
week, like, we're in bed by 9:00, 9:30.

1361
00:47:46,086 --> 00:47:48,056
I'm up at 5:00 in the morning
every morning, you know?

1362
00:47:48,086 --> 00:47:48,196
Same.

1363
00:47:48,396 --> 00:47:48,576
Yeah.

1364
00:47:48,576 --> 00:47:51,166
So like, I'll… You know, it's
tough for me to… Like, what do you

1365
00:47:51,166 --> 00:47:52,566
mean we have to stay out till 11:00?

1366
00:47:52,566 --> 00:47:54,796
Like, and that's just when things
are getting started, you know?

1367
00:47:54,796 --> 00:47:55,506
It's like, ugh.

1368
00:47:55,786 --> 00:47:58,156
We are those people that- Jason, you gotta
hang out with us more often … yeah,

1369
00:47:58,176 --> 00:48:00,436
we go to the club and we- We're daytime
people, man … yeah, we're there at

1370
00:48:00,436 --> 00:48:05,126
9:00- … at the club, and by 9:30, 10:00
o'clock the latest, I'm like, "Okay, we

1371
00:48:05,126 --> 00:48:06,136
really need to go to the back." Yeah.

1372
00:48:06,506 --> 00:48:07,876
And so we'll do that a few times.

1373
00:48:07,896 --> 00:48:08,066
Yeah.

1374
00:48:08,266 --> 00:48:11,636
And then by 11:00, maybe 12:00,
we're like, "Okay, bye everybody.

1375
00:48:11,646 --> 00:48:12,996
We're done." Yeah, I
wanna be home by midnight.

1376
00:48:12,996 --> 00:48:14,216
Yeah, it's like- Whataburger time.

1377
00:48:14,216 --> 00:48:15,356
Even house parties.

1378
00:48:16,146 --> 00:48:19,676
When we go to house parties- Yeah
… we're, like, the first ones to play.

1379
00:48:19,696 --> 00:48:21,466
No one else will play, and
I'll be like, "All right.

1380
00:48:21,466 --> 00:48:22,096
Well, we're out.

1381
00:48:22,106 --> 00:48:22,766
Like, we're done.

1382
00:48:22,766 --> 00:48:26,126
Like, you guys, we're not gonna
wait till people are comfortable,

1383
00:48:26,136 --> 00:48:27,566
like, drinking and stuff like that."

1384
00:48:27,576 --> 00:48:28,976
It's like, "Nah." Yeah.

1385
00:48:29,446 --> 00:48:30,256
"We're good." You're my kind of people.

1386
00:48:30,586 --> 00:48:30,796
Yeah.

1387
00:48:31,246 --> 00:48:32,106
Well, we're stoners.

1388
00:48:32,346 --> 00:48:32,786
Yeah.

1389
00:48:32,896 --> 00:48:33,106
Yeah.

1390
00:48:33,106 --> 00:48:36,516
I mean, we're not- May- maybe, maybe
that's, maybe that's it there … you

1391
00:48:36,516 --> 00:48:39,676
know, I'm not… I don't wanna stay up all
night drinking, 'cause I'm already stoned.

1392
00:48:40,156 --> 00:48:40,596
Yeah.

1393
00:48:41,326 --> 00:48:42,286
I've already had sex.

1394
00:48:42,286 --> 00:48:43,846
I'm ready to eat and go to bed.

1395
00:48:43,886 --> 00:48:46,426
Ready, I'm ready for my munchies
and to go home and go to bed.

1396
00:48:46,516 --> 00:48:46,976
That's right.

1397
00:48:46,976 --> 00:48:47,976
What more do I need?

1398
00:48:47,976 --> 00:48:48,146
Yeah.

1399
00:48:48,166 --> 00:48:48,646
You know?

1400
00:48:48,656 --> 00:48:49,126
Exactly.

1401
00:48:49,886 --> 00:48:52,686
So, well, so that's ex- so that's
exciting, so you guys are gonna

1402
00:48:52,686 --> 00:48:54,966
continue churning out the, the show.

1403
00:48:54,966 --> 00:48:57,156
Because I gotta, I gotta
have something to listen to.

1404
00:48:57,156 --> 00:48:59,566
Like I said, I don't, I don't,
I don't listen to podcasts.

1405
00:48:59,576 --> 00:48:59,866
Yeah.

1406
00:49:00,236 --> 00:49:02,176
I'm a, you know, a Steely Dan guy.

1407
00:49:03,986 --> 00:49:06,166
Right now you guys are
replacing Steely Dan.

1408
00:49:06,496 --> 00:49:07,076
Oh, I love it.

1409
00:49:07,086 --> 00:49:07,106
Hey.

1410
00:49:07,586 --> 00:49:07,636
Love it.

1411
00:49:07,986 --> 00:49:08,366
Love it.

1412
00:49:08,376 --> 00:49:09,526
Give them, give them a rest.

1413
00:49:09,526 --> 00:49:11,286
We'll… They'll be there.

1414
00:49:11,286 --> 00:49:12,146
They'll always be there.

1415
00:49:12,426 --> 00:49:12,766
Yeah.

1416
00:49:12,766 --> 00:49:13,096
Yeah.

1417
00:49:13,096 --> 00:49:16,486
Yeah, really, y- your feedback was so
cool to us because, you know, it, it

1418
00:49:16,486 --> 00:49:20,556
was definitely, you know, coming from
somebody that's got a successful show and

1419
00:49:20,566 --> 00:49:23,836
somebody that doesn't even like podcasts,
when, when you sent the note and you're

1420
00:49:23,836 --> 00:49:25,326
like, "Look, like I don't listen to this.

1421
00:49:25,386 --> 00:49:27,626
I don't listen to podcasts," and
you guys grabbed my attention,

1422
00:49:27,986 --> 00:49:29,526
like that hit home for us.

1423
00:49:29,526 --> 00:49:30,296
We really appreciate it.

1424
00:49:30,296 --> 00:49:30,406
Yeah.

1425
00:49:30,416 --> 00:49:33,806
Like that type of feedback is, is
why we are gonna keep doing this,

1426
00:49:33,826 --> 00:49:35,156
'cause- You should see the side chat.

1427
00:49:35,156 --> 00:49:38,106
It's like crying emojis and
hearts- … and all of this

1428
00:49:38,106 --> 00:49:39,076
stuff like going back and forth.

1429
00:49:39,086 --> 00:49:42,206
We're like, "This is so cool." I can't…
I mean, I can't wait for our people

1430
00:49:42,206 --> 00:49:44,516
to, to listen because it's different.

1431
00:49:44,526 --> 00:49:48,766
The, the message that you guys are
giving just, just in the conversations

1432
00:49:48,766 --> 00:49:52,016
that you're having with each other
alone- Mm-hmm … are very big because

1433
00:49:52,016 --> 00:49:57,066
there are so many people out there
who are related, probably have the

1434
00:49:57,066 --> 00:49:59,266
exact same situation as y'all- Yeah

1435
00:49:59,546 --> 00:50:06,476
or similar, and don't have that knowledge
or capacity to say, "Maybe we… Maybe

1436
00:50:06,476 --> 00:50:08,286
I can talk to them about it," you know?

1437
00:50:08,296 --> 00:50:09,366
Mm-hmm.

1438
00:50:09,366 --> 00:50:10,746
Let's just have the conversation.

1439
00:50:10,746 --> 00:50:10,980
Just have the conversation.

1440
00:50:10,980 --> 00:50:13,766
We have, we have felt alone in our
sibling-ness in the, in the kink

1441
00:50:13,776 --> 00:50:16,676
world, but we are learning that
there are more of us out there.

1442
00:50:16,676 --> 00:50:20,006
There are more of us that, that wanna
open up to each other and talk to each

1443
00:50:20,006 --> 00:50:22,316
other, and so we're… you know, that's
really the whole goal of this, is just

1444
00:50:22,376 --> 00:50:23,966
to open up a conversation with people.

1445
00:50:24,066 --> 00:50:24,476
Yeah.

1446
00:50:24,646 --> 00:50:24,986
Yeah.

1447
00:50:25,026 --> 00:50:25,756
And you know what?

1448
00:50:26,156 --> 00:50:27,686
It's a frigging love story.

1449
00:50:28,126 --> 00:50:28,326
Yeah.

1450
00:50:28,326 --> 00:50:29,356
I think that's so frigging cool.

1451
00:50:29,356 --> 00:50:29,416
It is.

1452
00:50:29,416 --> 00:50:33,066
Because you guys love each
other so much, like the, the

1453
00:50:33,076 --> 00:50:34,526
brotherly love that y'all have.

1454
00:50:34,526 --> 00:50:34,676
Yeah.

1455
00:50:34,676 --> 00:50:38,726
It… and it comes out in, in the
conversations that y'all have.

1456
00:50:38,726 --> 00:50:42,036
Like, I really love hearing
y'all banter with each other.

1457
00:50:42,366 --> 00:50:44,916
Uh, so like I said, I, I,
I really enjoy your show.

1458
00:50:45,556 --> 00:50:45,666
Thank you.

1459
00:50:45,666 --> 00:50:47,166
I'm glad that I get to scope it out.

1460
00:50:47,206 --> 00:50:48,696
I hope you guys keep it going.

1461
00:50:49,226 --> 00:50:49,746
Yes.

1462
00:50:49,756 --> 00:50:52,636
If there's anything I can ever do
for y'all- Yes … let me know.

1463
00:50:52,636 --> 00:50:53,186
Come on.

1464
00:50:53,186 --> 00:50:55,656
Uh, you know, but, uh, yeah, I'll
probably have you guys on the

1465
00:50:55,656 --> 00:50:58,896
show a- again further, further
along the line at some point.

1466
00:50:58,896 --> 00:50:59,366
Likewise.

1467
00:50:59,376 --> 00:50:59,396
Yeah.

1468
00:50:59,416 --> 00:51:00,816
You got me to join our show now.

1469
00:51:00,836 --> 00:51:01,666
Yeah, exactly.

1470
00:51:01,696 --> 00:51:03,356
We gotta do a- Yes … crossover event.

1471
00:51:03,606 --> 00:51:04,396
A crossover.

1472
00:51:04,396 --> 00:51:04,864
That would be so much fun.

1473
00:51:04,864 --> 00:51:05,666
Just say the word.

1474
00:51:05,666 --> 00:51:06,156
Yeah, for sure.

1475
00:51:06,156 --> 00:51:08,626
After I try, after I try the underwear?

1476
00:51:09,216 --> 00:51:09,486
Yeah.

1477
00:51:09,486 --> 00:51:11,956
After Adam tries the underwear-
Yeah … and after I try some

1478
00:51:12,116 --> 00:51:13,476
leather, or not the leather.

1479
00:51:13,476 --> 00:51:13,586
Rubber.

1480
00:51:13,586 --> 00:51:14,606
I wanna do the rubber.

1481
00:51:14,606 --> 00:51:15,896
Is it rubber- The rubber,
yeah … or is it latex?

1482
00:51:15,896 --> 00:51:16,686
Is that the same thing?

1483
00:51:16,756 --> 00:51:17,146
It's rubber.

1484
00:51:17,156 --> 00:51:18,736
They're basically the same thing, yeah.

1485
00:51:18,766 --> 00:51:20,006
They're kinda the same, right?

1486
00:51:20,026 --> 00:51:20,726
Rubber and latex?

1487
00:51:20,776 --> 00:51:21,116
Yeah.

1488
00:51:21,116 --> 00:51:21,436
I don't know.

1489
00:51:21,436 --> 00:51:21,856
Yeah.

1490
00:51:21,916 --> 00:51:24,426
I've seen this woman- One, one
is, one is of the other, yeah.

1491
00:51:24,506 --> 00:51:25,026
Okay.

1492
00:51:25,096 --> 00:51:25,506
Okay.

1493
00:51:25,646 --> 00:51:26,726
Oh, that makes sense.

1494
00:51:26,736 --> 00:51:26,756
Yeah.

1495
00:51:27,116 --> 00:51:30,462
I want a dress Like, it's so sexy.

1496
00:51:30,522 --> 00:51:33,152
Like, on women, like, I find it so sexy.

1497
00:51:33,152 --> 00:51:33,992
Like, if there's a woman
that's dressed in, in rubber.

1498
00:51:33,992 --> 00:51:34,662
It's beautiful.

1499
00:51:35,432 --> 00:51:39,112
It is… Like, the imagery behind
all of that stuff is just, ugh.

1500
00:51:39,472 --> 00:51:40,742
I like the smell of rubber.

1501
00:51:40,892 --> 00:51:41,212
Yeah?

1502
00:51:41,222 --> 00:51:41,482
Personally.

1503
00:51:41,822 --> 00:51:42,132
Yeah.

1504
00:51:42,772 --> 00:51:43,492
The rub, the smell of it?

1505
00:51:43,502 --> 00:51:43,722
Yep.

1506
00:51:43,722 --> 00:51:44,412
Yeah, I do.

1507
00:51:44,522 --> 00:51:44,942
Yeah.

1508
00:51:45,102 --> 00:51:47,362
I, I mean, I used to love
to go to the tire shop.

1509
00:51:49,432 --> 00:51:49,739
It doesn't smell like that.

1510
00:51:49,739 --> 00:51:49,872
Yeah, that's true.

1511
00:51:49,872 --> 00:51:50,462
That's not the smell of rubber, is it?

1512
00:51:50,462 --> 00:51:50,892
Yeah.

1513
00:51:50,892 --> 00:51:50,932
Yes.

1514
00:51:50,942 --> 00:51:52,732
You know that the, the tire area.

1515
00:51:52,942 --> 00:51:53,369
That's great.

1516
00:51:53,369 --> 00:51:54,412
Like, that smell, that rubber smell.

1517
00:51:54,422 --> 00:51:54,442
Yeah.

1518
00:51:54,442 --> 00:51:55,182
Oh, I love it.

1519
00:51:55,182 --> 00:51:55,497
Yeah.

1520
00:51:55,497 --> 00:51:55,812
Huh.

1521
00:51:55,812 --> 00:51:56,762
Yeah, it's great.

1522
00:51:56,792 --> 00:51:57,532
Holy shit.

1523
00:51:57,532 --> 00:51:58,836
The sound of it.

1524
00:51:58,836 --> 00:52:00,362
I ex- I think I'm into
rubber I'm converting more.

1525
00:52:00,362 --> 00:52:00,372
Damn.

1526
00:52:00,372 --> 00:52:01,172
I'm converting more.

1527
00:52:03,422 --> 00:52:07,012
Man, between the two of y'all, I'm gonna
be in a, in a frigging rubber thong.

1528
00:52:07,732 --> 00:52:07,992
Let's go.

1529
00:52:08,552 --> 00:52:08,872
I'm into this.

1530
00:52:08,892 --> 00:52:12,102
Like… And I'm gonna be trying to take
it off at Hippie Hollow unsuccessfully.

1531
00:52:14,562 --> 00:52:16,552
But at least I got something
to look forward to.

1532
00:52:16,562 --> 00:52:17,199
It's like a piece of floss.

1533
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:17,832
That sounds like fun.

1534
00:52:17,882 --> 00:52:18,452
That's right.

1535
00:52:18,462 --> 00:52:18,532
Yeah.

1536
00:52:18,552 --> 00:52:19,332
Well, you know what?

1537
00:52:19,352 --> 00:52:21,732
We do what we have to.

1538
00:52:21,732 --> 00:52:23,522
That's so good.

1539
00:52:23,582 --> 00:52:24,432
Oh my gosh.

1540
00:52:24,472 --> 00:52:27,092
Guys, I appreciate you guys,
uh- Thank you for having us.

1541
00:52:27,102 --> 00:52:30,172
Well, let's- Let the, let the crowd
know where can they find you guys.

1542
00:52:30,182 --> 00:52:31,212
What is your show called?

1543
00:52:31,362 --> 00:52:36,042
We are the Kinky Bros. So on Apple
and, uh, Spotify, iHeart, and

1544
00:52:36,052 --> 00:52:37,502
Amazon Music, you can find us.

1545
00:52:37,532 --> 00:52:39,562
Uh, search the Kinky Bros Podcast.

1546
00:52:39,962 --> 00:52:45,522
Uh, we are @kinkybrospodcast on
Instagram and BlueSky, @kinkybrospod

1547
00:52:45,552 --> 00:52:48,302
on X, and thekinkybros.com.

1548
00:52:49,272 --> 00:52:49,552
Ooh.

1549
00:52:49,562 --> 00:52:49,842
Nice.

1550
00:52:49,852 --> 00:52:50,262
All right.

1551
00:52:50,332 --> 00:52:51,482
What is BlueSky?

1552
00:52:52,432 --> 00:52:55,972
It is a, uh… So BlueSky has been
out there for a couple of years now.

1553
00:52:55,982 --> 00:52:59,702
It was kind of the answer when Twitter
kinda started locking down its thing.

1554
00:52:59,702 --> 00:52:59,950
I was gonna say.

1555
00:52:59,950 --> 00:53:00,012
Oh.

1556
00:53:00,012 --> 00:53:04,282
BlueSky came up and said, "Hold my hoops.
I'm gonna take all of this stuff." Yeah.

1557
00:53:04,332 --> 00:53:09,022
Uh, so it's kinda the Tumblr, Twitter new
thing, uh, that people are getting onto.

1558
00:53:09,022 --> 00:53:10,622
So there's no rules really there.

1559
00:53:10,992 --> 00:53:11,022
Man.

1560
00:53:11,032 --> 00:53:12,062
Now I gotta get on BlueSky.

1561
00:53:12,062 --> 00:53:12,112
I know.

1562
00:53:12,112 --> 00:53:15,752
I used to have a company that would manage
my OnlyFans, and they put me on BlueSky.

1563
00:53:15,982 --> 00:53:16,902
They were on BlueSky?

1564
00:53:16,912 --> 00:53:16,932
Yeah.

1565
00:53:17,382 --> 00:53:17,542
Yeah.

1566
00:53:17,582 --> 00:53:18,732
I found you on BlueSky.

1567
00:53:19,452 --> 00:53:19,772
Did you?

1568
00:53:20,372 --> 00:53:20,682
Yeah.

1569
00:53:21,042 --> 00:53:21,472
Really?

1570
00:53:21,472 --> 00:53:22,002
There you go.

1571
00:53:22,122 --> 00:53:22,412
Yeah.

1572
00:53:22,412 --> 00:53:22,537
Wow.

1573
00:53:22,537 --> 00:53:22,787
Um, cool.

1574
00:53:22,787 --> 00:53:23,592
She's got a page.

1575
00:53:24,978 --> 00:53:25,618
I have a page.

1576
00:53:25,778 --> 00:53:28,298
I told you You're so naughty I, I used
to have a company that would manage it.

1577
00:53:28,298 --> 00:53:31,068
Now I'm like, "Well, fuck it.
I'll just do it myself." Nope.

1578
00:53:31,098 --> 00:53:33,818
So, you know what's funny about us that
we've been doing this show and have

1579
00:53:33,818 --> 00:53:36,528
learning… You know, we've learned, known
about each other for a couple of years.

1580
00:53:36,538 --> 00:53:40,648
Yeah We do not follow each other on
any of our kinky, uh, pages at, at all.

1581
00:53:40,648 --> 00:53:41,978
So we've, we've kept that separate.

1582
00:53:41,978 --> 00:53:43,808
Because I don't need to
see my brother in a thong.

1583
00:53:43,818 --> 00:53:48,838
Uh, but- Like, I, I, I, I post not safe
for work pictures where he, he doesn't,

1584
00:53:48,898 --> 00:53:50,228
or at least I don't think he does.

1585
00:53:50,788 --> 00:53:54,078
Um, most of his stuff is, like,
the Kingstagram stuff where his-

1586
00:53:54,088 --> 00:53:55,408
Yeah … is all on, on Instagram.

1587
00:53:55,698 --> 00:54:00,378
Like, I venture off into Reddit and
FetLife and, and places like that, so.

1588
00:54:00,428 --> 00:54:00,718
Okay.

1589
00:54:00,718 --> 00:54:02,938
I, I, I'm okay bearing all.

1590
00:54:03,218 --> 00:54:04,468
Um- Same … so yeah.

1591
00:54:04,638 --> 00:54:04,668
Same.

1592
00:54:04,668 --> 00:54:05,588
I'm not all there.

1593
00:54:05,588 --> 00:54:07,328
Y'all are, y'all are in
different realms there.

1594
00:54:07,328 --> 00:54:07,888
I got it.

1595
00:54:07,898 --> 00:54:08,358
That's awesome.

1596
00:54:08,468 --> 00:54:08,758
Yeah.

1597
00:54:08,758 --> 00:54:09,668
That, that's where we draw the line.

1598
00:54:09,728 --> 00:54:10,142
Yeah, that's right.

1599
00:54:10,142 --> 00:54:10,544
That's where we draw the line.

1600
00:54:10,544 --> 00:54:12,208
You gotta have, you gotta
have boundaries there.

1601
00:54:12,208 --> 00:54:12,286
Nope.

1602
00:54:12,286 --> 00:54:12,363
Please.

1603
00:54:12,363 --> 00:54:12,518
Yeah, exactly.

1604
00:54:12,518 --> 00:54:13,738
Don't tag me.

1605
00:54:13,938 --> 00:54:15,008
Healthy boundaries.

1606
00:54:15,008 --> 00:54:15,078
Exactly.

1607
00:54:15,078 --> 00:54:18,983
I'm all about there's a, a big
rope, um… You wanna tell them

1608
00:54:18,983 --> 00:54:20,563
about the rope show in November?

1609
00:54:20,703 --> 00:54:22,773
Like, this one's- Yeah … far enough
away where you guys can still plan for it.

1610
00:54:22,773 --> 00:54:23,583
Oh, you got her attention now.

1611
00:54:23,593 --> 00:54:26,473
I'm all, "What the heck?"
So, uh, a good friend of ours

1612
00:54:26,483 --> 00:54:28,213
does, uh, Shibari, uh, rope.

1613
00:54:28,213 --> 00:54:28,333
Yeah.

1614
00:54:28,333 --> 00:54:30,033
Uh, so bondage, things like that.

1615
00:54:30,043 --> 00:54:32,243
Uh, he is- Yes … an
incredible artist with it.

1616
00:54:32,273 --> 00:54:36,173
Um, so we have a group here that
he started called Bound HTX, um,

1617
00:54:36,173 --> 00:54:38,893
and they do monthly classes and,
and all of that kind of stuff.

1618
00:54:38,893 --> 00:54:41,933
But he's putting together what
he's calling Shibari E. Uh, so

1619
00:54:41,933 --> 00:54:44,103
an art show all around Shibari.

1620
00:54:44,393 --> 00:54:47,453
Um, so live demos, live artwork,
all of that kind of stuff.

1621
00:54:47,453 --> 00:54:49,863
So it's November 14th, which
I believe is a Saturday.

1622
00:54:50,203 --> 00:54:53,513
Um, so I'll send you all the details
once, uh- Yeah … once he, he does that.

1623
00:54:53,533 --> 00:54:56,053
In fact, we have to record with him
because we did our rope episode with

1624
00:54:56,053 --> 00:54:58,413
him but yeah, so that's gonna be in
November if y'all wanna come out for that.

1625
00:54:58,423 --> 00:54:59,773
I, I know he would love the support.

1626
00:54:59,823 --> 00:55:00,673
We would love to see you there.

1627
00:55:00,673 --> 00:55:02,463
Like, it's, it's gonna
be really, really cool.

1628
00:55:02,753 --> 00:55:03,193
For sure.

1629
00:55:03,193 --> 00:55:04,603
And it'll be a very mixed crowd.

1630
00:55:04,603 --> 00:55:04,748
Yeah.

1631
00:55:04,748 --> 00:55:04,893
Nice.

1632
00:55:04,893 --> 00:55:08,703
Like, it'll be a very mixed crowd,
like, so, um, but I'm definitely going-

1633
00:55:08,703 --> 00:55:10,693
That's… We love meeting new people.

1634
00:55:10,693 --> 00:55:13,943
Gryff, Jason, this was such a
great conversation, as you can

1635
00:55:13,943 --> 00:55:15,423
see with all the laughter we had.

1636
00:55:15,703 --> 00:55:19,093
Thank you both for being so open
with us and with our audience.

1637
00:55:19,143 --> 00:55:19,483
Yes.

1638
00:55:19,813 --> 00:55:22,803
Everybody go find the Kinky Bros
podcast and give them a follow.

1639
00:55:22,803 --> 00:55:26,623
This is a show you do not wanna miss,
and you want it in your rotation.

1640
00:55:26,723 --> 00:55:27,133
Yeah.

1641
00:55:27,413 --> 00:55:30,693
And to all of you listening, if you
enjoyed this episode, hit that like

1642
00:55:30,693 --> 00:55:34,083
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1643
00:55:34,083 --> 00:55:36,853
who needs to hear it, because
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1644
00:55:37,243 --> 00:55:40,323
And seriously, if you've got
30 seconds, leave us a review.

1645
00:55:40,373 --> 00:55:45,783
That five star genuinely helps more people
find our show, and it makes us look good.

1646
00:55:45,813 --> 00:55:46,803
I put a lot of work into this.

1647
00:55:48,173 --> 00:55:51,613
Head over to our website for our
merch, past episodes, our blog, and

1648
00:55:51,613 --> 00:55:53,483
our 100% anonymous confessional.

1649
00:55:53,663 --> 00:55:57,273
If you got something on your mind
about the lifestyle, ENM, kink, the

1650
00:55:57,273 --> 00:55:59,273
show, or honestly anything else.

1651
00:55:59,913 --> 00:56:00,303
Yeah.

1652
00:56:01,613 --> 00:56:05,363
And don't forget, you can catch us
streaming live on Full Swap Radio

1653
00:56:05,363 --> 00:56:10,313
every Thursday at 2:00 PM and 7:00
PM Central on fullswapradio.com.

1654
00:56:10,543 --> 00:56:16,193
And with that, don't forget our
website, www.beyond-monogamy.com.

1655
00:56:16,873 --> 00:56:19,933
And we will see you guys next week.

1656
00:56:20,203 --> 00:56:21,273
Bye.