The Kinky Bros: Two Brothers Bond Over Rubber, Leather & Kink

0:07 All right, y'all. Before we dive in, a quick heads-up This show is raw, real, and definitely not rated PG We're talking about adult themes, sexual content, and the kinda stuff you probably don't want blasting through your speakers at work or around your kids So grab some headphones, pour your drink of choice, and get comfy Oh, and just so we're clear, we are not licensed therapists, counselors, or sex couches. Sex coaches. Sex coaches. Not sex couches We're just a couple of people sharing our lives, experiences, and sexy adventures in ethical non-monogamy. So with that, pull up a chair and enjoy the show Hello, and welcome to another episode of Beyond Monogamy.

0:54 I'm Adam. And I'm Pris. And today, we've got a duo I am genuinely excited about. Now, I gotta tell you, I, I, I am guilty of not really listening to podcasts. Yeah. It's not really my thing. Yeah. Um, and it's weird being a podcast host and not listening to podcasts, but this one podcast has really, really got me hooked. Okay. I can't stop listening to them. There's two brothers. Okay. One gay, one straight, both deep in the kink world, who somehow ended up realizing that they'd been exploring kink separately for years. Oh. Yeah. And they never talked about it with each other. That discovery didn't just bring them closer, it actually turned into a really, really freaking cool podcast.

1:39 All righty. So please welcome Gryff and Jason, hosts of the Kinky Brothers podcast. Is it Kinky Bros? Kinky Bros. Kinky Bros. The Kinky Bros- Bros … Podcast. 'Cause they're bros. All right. That's right. Now, before we get into it, if you're new here, for our listeners out there, hit Subscribe wherever you're listening or watch right now, 'cause you don't wanna miss this one. It gets real. Yes. Yeah. So welcome to Beyond Monogamy, you guys. I'm- Hey, thanks for having us on. Thank you. He just- We're excited to be here. Yeah, he just told me so much information right now. I was like, "Okay." So y'all didn't know y'all were both into different kinks? We had no idea. Huh. No idea. It was, uh- I mean, how did this happen? How did this happen?

2:21 How did this happen? Yeah. It was, it was accidental, actually. So we live in different cities, and, you know, we'll text and call each other, you know, every once in a while. Yeah. And, and, uh, we happened, my husband and I happened to be… I'm the gay one, by the way. Hi. Uh, my, but my husband and I happened to be watching a TV show on Netflix called How to Build a Sex Room. Uh-huh. Uh, if you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it. I have. It's a great- I have not, so I will- Highly recommend that show. Highly recommend. Okay. It's this adorable British lady that does the most incredible sex rooms, and it's really, really cool. So we were watching this show, and Jason called me or texted me, I can't remember which, but he, you know, I wanted shock value, so I was like, "Oh, we're watching this show called How to Build a Sex Room," waiting for the shock to set in, and instead I got, "Oh, we love that show.

3:03 We watch it, too." And so then it just started a whole conversation that snowballed over the next couple of hours, and pictures were exchanged, and things were talked about that probably shouldn't have been talked about, but here we are. I mean, you're- We, our, our, our significant others were, like- Mortified mortified of the conversations that we were having that night. I can't even imagine. Okay. So what is y'all's, what are, what are the kinks? So I know that you're, I know somebody is into rubber or latex. Clearly. Okay. Clearly. I mean, is it clearly? Okay, so- I'm wearing it for you right now. I, I mean, I see that, and- I, is that just, do you just like the way that feels and stuff like that, right?

3:47 Like, that's what- Yes. It is- … that's what Adam was telling me, so I wanna … It is shiny. It is slick. It is, uh, body-hugging. It's kinda sexy. It's sexy. I see the appeal. Um, yeah, like there's different designs, like I'm representing the rubber flag with these colors, uh, and, and all of this today. So yeah, th- it's just like this is my main thing. Like, this is really what, what got me into the kink world. So I … If you guys could see his closet, you would have a clear understanding- I, so- Really? … of how deep this goes. I've just, I've just seen on the show, you know, the different … And, and, and I know that you, you wear it a lot of times underneath your clothing when you go out. Oh, I love stealth. And that's, yeah. Yeah, I love going stealth. Is that what that's called? It's so sexy, because I have a little secret that nobody knows about.

4:27 Yeah. Mm. It's good. Yeah. And, uh, so I, I do see the appeal. It, it is actually very sexy. It looks really, really cool. I always thought so. Yeah. But how breathable is it? I mean- It's not … it's hot outside. I was like, holy shit. We live in Texas. Yeah. I would … Yeah. We live in Texas. Yeah. It's hot outside. Yeah. There was a moment on one of our shows where we were talking about rubber, and, uh, I called back to a, uh, a memory of Jason when he first saw me in rubber, and it was in the middle of a Texas summer, and he joked and said, "You smell like a balloon." Uh, and because I d- quite literally did, I mean, in the heat and everything, yeah. Yeah. So it is not breathable. You do sweat in it, but that's also part of the fun. Oh, okay. Now, a sir over here … he, he was in town, he was in town one weekend with some friends.

5:10 They were doing a competition or there was a, a show at one of the gay clubs that were here. I went to go pick him up, and all of his friends were all in rubber, and it's all lube and slick- … and everything. And of course I've got leather seats in my car. So I go pick them up- … and it's like 110 degrees out. You know, everybody's sitting on towels, and you know, there's puddles- … of sweat and lube and everything else all over my car. Yeah. But that was the first time that I saw, like, actually saw him, like, in gear like that. So it was- Yeah … pretty funny. And what was your- Jason, what, what about, uh, what about your kink? Yeah. What's, okay, what's your re- what, what is, what is your kink? So, um- Which one?

5:50 I'm Italian. Ooh. Which one? Um, so as far as, like, clothing goes, I pr- I, I appreciate the leather side of things. Um, not that I have quite the extent that my brother has when it comes to rubber, but I've got a few leather pieces. I've got some leather pants. I've got a couple other harnesses that I really enjoy wearing. Um, underwear is my thing, like, guys underwear. So jocks, thongs. That's how I started down this path was, was in underwear. Um, and in fact, I, I had posted some pictures in thongs and had attracted some attention of a, of a guy that has a Brief Talk podcast. He actually has a whole podcast about underwear. Wow. Um, he convinced me- I'm gonna have to listen to that … after about a year to finally come on his show.

6:33 And, um, as I was going through the story of my underwear journey and, you know, talking about my little brother, it's like, well, you know, who else do you ask, you know, when it comes to this type stuff, but your gay brother, right? Like, I've got the best resource at hand. I mean, you do. So it stirred up quite a bit of comments on his podcast, talking about, "Oh my God, you talk to your brother about that." So that's how our podcast was really born. Um, we had no idea that, like, nobody didn't really talk about it much or that there was a need for siblings to ha- be having these discussions. Um, but the, the feedback that we got from when I was on that show about underwear was incredible. And so I was telling my brother, I was like, "Hey, look like, you know, everybody's shocked that, you know, I attend your parties and, you know, we've got this bond, you know, with all of this, you know, kink stuff." I was like, "Maybe we should do a show."

7:23 And that was, uh, kind of as a joke, you know? It was like apparently, like, people like this stuff. So we kicked around the idea for about six months, and then finally decided to get serious about it, and we're in season two now. So that was really like, it all kind of came about from, from my underwear stuff- um, how the story kinda came about, so. That's so great. From those tighty whities. Yeah. I get it. Yeah. N- not a fan of the tighty whities, but I have- Or, or lack thereof, yeah. Or lack thereof. Or lack thereof. Yeah. Yeah. But I, I, I do love my jocks and my thongs, and that's really- You know- … where it started for me I am not, um… I'm the total opposite. I hate lingerie. I hate underwear. I hate bras. Like, I feel, when I have to wear them, I'm like, "Damn, can I take them off already?" So it's, I mean, that's kind of… It's, that's, that's… I've never heard of that type of- You two could be kinky villains in superheroes We could be kinky villains.

8:15 But I've never heard of that. And I, I, now I find it kinda cool. I'm like, "Okay, I, I mean, I get it." Yeah. Especially- Well- … the thongs. They're sexy … s- uh, uh, so interestingly enough, like, i- it's very, like, I would call it a split house, right? When it comes to women, women's thoughts of men in jocks or thongs. Some- Mm-hmm like, you either seem to really like it, or you seem to not like it at all. Um- Yeah … and those are kind of the, the two camps. There's not a lot of like, "Nah. All right. Maybe." It's, it's pretty much an all or nothing type deal, so. Yeah. So, so what I'm hearing is you're all for it? I'm all for it. I mean- All right. I like that … sounds, sounds kinda cool. You- That and the leather. I mean, I'm… Or the rubber.

8:56 I'm so down to, like, find some outfits now. You know, uh, the, the whole thing- I will send you some websites, yeah. It's, it's, it's very curious. Yeah, well, 'cause it's, it's, it's an arena that we don't know a whole- Yeah … lot about, for one thing. But it's funny, because when we first started getting into podcasting, um, and she said that she wanted to start a podcast, and I said, "Well, what do you wanna do it on?" She said, "Well, we could do it on the lifestyle, or we could do it on family." You two have taken these two- … very crazy arenas, and you made a show out… You just smashed the hell out of them together. And I, I just, I, I found that so fascinating because- You have so many, uh, different ways to attack this.

9:41 You're, you're having a very open conversation about, uh, a, a very large arena that has always had shame put over it. Yeah. That's right. Yeah, you know? And, and, and w- we often, uh, y- you know, we have all these different kinks and these desires and these things that we really love and, and, and are a part of, and that's on our, our quiet end. We don't want anybody to know about that. Mm. You know what I mean? Uh, and especially our family. And, and so- Right … I think what you guys are doing at your show, I mean, not only, I mean, it's entertaining as hell. Uh, but to be able to show that family can openly talk and have these kinds of conversations and- Without being judged and it's okay, you know?

10:26 Right. Yeah. There's no shame, yeah. And it's- It, it is okay. And today's society is so much about, like, sex shouldn't be talked about. It shouldn't be discussed. It shouldn't be, you know, don't let the kids know, you know, like all of that stuff. Yeah. Um, and it's, you know, it's a pleasure center, and it's what, you know, relationships are built on. And it's an extremely important part of relationships and communication and a- you know, so much of that just encompasses everything. You should be talk… You know, look, like, you know, my brother's the younger brother. I just turned 50. It's not like, you know, we're well-versed in us talking to each other about this. I mean, this started in the last couple years. Mm-hmm.

11:06 So, you know, we're guilty of all of those same things, too. Um, but being able to talk about it now and the, the connection that we have with this stuff, um, I mean, we were tight before. Like, you know, we didn't go more than a week without talking to each other and, you know, that type of stuff. But now, you know, we talk all the time. We, you know, we joke about this stuff. And, and we've got s- you know, a bond here and something shared that, that we're doing together, and we're having a blast doing it. Um- I can imagine, yeah. And it's very freeing to s- Oh, it's very freeing … being able to have that out. Very freeing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, 'cause then you, you can speak openly. I, I know I have a companion and a, and a partner and, and a friend in this, even though it is, you know, he is my brother. But he, you know, like we, we are going through this whole thing together.

11:47 The funny part then is when we each talk to our mother, and she's like, "Have you talked to your brother lately?" And we're like, "Well, we recorded yesterday, but, uh-" "… you don't know anything about that, so no." Do they not know? Like d- does, does your- They do not. They do not, okay. They, they do not know. No. Yeah. I mean, we had to, um, we, we had to… We have kids, and we have them all at the house, so we're a blended family. But we had to, like- Yeah when we were, when we came out as poly, we had to tell them, you know, "Mom is bisexual," and so on and so forth. And now it's been 15 years. Our, our babies are 15, and our older ones are- Wow … almost 20. So they've, they've kind of grown through it.

12:27 They've kind of seen it. We don't, we don't have, like, swinger parties at the house and, "Hey, kids. Go to your room." It's not like that. But it's, it is a very open, um- household and we always tell them, like we were just telling your brother, it's like our, our room is right here and their kitchen's right there. It's like, "If you don't wanna hear about mom's threesome, you better go upstairs." Yeah. Let's have those conversations. But see, that just opens, you know, that just opens the conversation. Yes. Like, I'm sure that first conversation was extremely difficult to have. Oh, yeah. Um- Yeah … but as time goes on, it's just, it's a thing. Like, we all, you know, we're all doing it, right? Um- Yeah … you might as well talk about it, so. And so we- It's like that book, Everybody Poops. You know? Like- Yes.

13:07 … Everybody Poops, Everybody Has Sex. Everybody Has Sex. Well, not everybody, but most people do. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody's got a kink. Exactly. Yeah. You know, that was my big thing was I grew up in a very, um, repressed home. Mm-hmm. As I'm sure many have. Um, and I know when we got together, I said, "You know, I wanna raise these kids to be very open with communication. I want them to feel okay coming to talk to us about whatever." I said, "And that means that we have to be open with communication with them, too." Um, and so as time went on, you know, they didn't know that we were non-monogamous for several years. Uh, we started out as swingers. Uh- Mm … but then we decided we were gonna try out poly.

13:49 And in order to do that, we were going to have to come out to our family because originally we were from- Where's mom going all dressed up? Yeah. I mean, we're, we're from- Where are you going? … we're from Corpus Christi. And Corpus Christi is small. It's small, yeah. Small town, yeah. Yeah. And I was like, "I'm gonna be seen out there with somebody," or, "She's gonna be seen out there with somebody, people are gonna talk." Yeah. Yeah. "So we might as well get this out now." Um- I, you know, it, I think that's smart. And, you know, obviously age appropriate when they're at the age where they can digest- Yeah … that kind of information, but I, I think that's the best way to do it. Yeah. A- and a lot of the successful couples that I know, that's their attitude, right? I mean, you, you really wanna raise, uh, uh, kids in a sex positive household so that they can be open to talk to you about issues.

14:36 Yeah, yeah. Or what they're going through, because dealing with s- sexual feelings and feeling repressed, that's hard. Yeah. Not good. That's difficult to do. And also, we talk a lot about the fact that we both kinda came into this a little later in life, uh, for both of us. You know, we were both in our 40s, almost 50, and, and all of that. So being able to learn from a younger age how to express yourself and say what you want or what you might desire or what you need, I think you guys are totally laying the groundwork with your kids to be able to do that for themselves. I think that's really cool. Yeah. Hopefully it helps them. It's fun to watch them change out. Yeah, they, I mean… I'm like, "You don't have to just have one boyfriend. You can have, like, five." Like, what's wrong with you? Yeah, why not? And our kids are like, "No, Mom. We're monogamous." Yeah.

15:17 I'm like, "Whatever." They'll change their minds when they get to be like- They'll change their mind at some point, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I did after three marriages. We all get there. Yeah. I was like, "Fuck this shit." So now what kind of household did y'all initially come out as? So our parents are still married. They've been married for 56 years now. Like, we came from a good home. I mean, it wasn't like- Yeah … yeah, I mean, our parents argued here and there, I mean, just like any family does. But, uh, the topic of sex was not something that was discussed. Mm. You know, I don't wanna say that it was hidden. It just wasn't a topic. Um- Yeah. Right … you know? But yeah, I mean, you know, we didn't come from a broken home.

16:00 Like, we don't have any, you know, horror stories as far as that type of stuff goes- Yeah … or divorced parents or, you know, whatever- Yeah … fill-in-the-blank there that, you know, a lot of people assume that, you know, kinksters have, right? Yeah. Like, we didn't have any of that. Oh, and, and- Yeah … I love that. I love that because that is a great example for a lot of our listeners- Yeah … in the fact that this isn't a thing. Like pe- there's people who aren't in our communities who are looking inward going, "Well, I think this, and I think that," and they come from this kind of place, and this is how they act. There's a lot of disproving that needs to happen. I mean, I used to think that. Yeah, I mean, you know, our, our background isn't very religious. Mm-hmm. It's also very not religious.

16:41 Um, you know, we just come from, uh, the typical, you know, white picket fence American 2.5-kid family, you know? Like it wasn't- Yeah anything, it wasn't anything special, so. Yeah, same. Um, my family wasn't very, uh, he came from a very repressed family, like his parents. Mine weren't. Mine were always sh- showing affection and love and, you know, and stuff like that. They did put stipulations on me. Like, I couldn't, I couldn't date the same gender, so that was really hard for me when, so when I got with him. I was like, "I'm bisexual." Like, it is what it is. I have to come out at some point. I was in my 30s. And I was like, "Get it, girl." And so yeah. But other than that, I mean, it's, uh- The way you're raised definitely doesn't- Well, I mean- … always have to show the kink that you're in or the lifestyle that you end up having talk repression.

17:27 I mean, I was, I was in a Catholic seminary. That's why I was in Irving. Wow. Yeah. I was in Irving at the Holy Trinity Seminary there. Yeah. S- s- so you got beat with the belt and the, and the ruler and everything else, huh? With the rosary. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, right. Yeah, right. There was a, there was an old, old sister that had a, a wooden rosary, and she'd smack you with it. It's amazing that I'm actually not into BDSM. It kind of is. I was gonna say, you might actually like being on a St. Andrew's Cross and, like… I haven't had those experiences yet, so I'm c- I'm open to things. Oh, come on. I'm like, "I'm gonna try things out and see wh- see where it goes," you know? We're gonna meet at Infliction. We're already there. We're gonna go to Carlton. That's too fun. We got this. Baby steps. Y'all need to, y'all need to come to Houston and come to one of our parties. You know, we, um, we've been invited to a few parties that are, that are BDSM-ish, I guess.

18:10 They, they were kink parties, yeah. Kink parties, and I'm always so scared because I'm like, "I don't like pain." It wasn't until- Me either I don't either … yeah, it wasn't probably about till about six months ago, maybe a year ago, I went and I tried the St. Andrew's cross. Nice. Um, at a ta- a hotel takeover. Oh, yeah. She got flogged. And someone flogged me, and I was like, "Ooh, I liked it." It wasn't a turn-on for me. It was more of a, "Oh, I could totally go to sleep." Like, you could just- Yes … space- It gets you into a head space, yeah. Yeah. I'm like- Oh, man … "This is relaxing." And- She does the same thing when she gets tattooed, though. Yeah. Yeah, you go into a, yeah, a zone. I do. We've- So, so there is some pain tolerance there. Yeah. Yes. We've been learning in this season, we're, you know, diving a little bit deeper into, you know, specific kinks, and there's a, a common thread through all of them about this head space that people get into, um, and this almost meditative state, uh, and people who are flogging or people who get tied up in rope or, uh, people who edge.

19:06 Like, you just get into this meditative state, and it's kinda the same across all these different kinks, and honestly, that's really what it comes down to, is getting yourself out of your everyday head and into a space where you're just kinda n- not thinking about any of that other bullshit out, you know, that's happening in life, uh, and focusing on what's happening in the here and now. It's, it's pretty cool. See, and I always thought the difference. I always thought, I always thought that people were doing it for, like, some kinda pain, and then I would say, "Oh, they must have trauma." Yeah. They must have some kinda trauma- Right … for them to like that kind of beating or whatever. But it wasn't until I did it, and then talking to people like yourselves, and I'm like, "Okay, that makes a lot of sense now.

19:46 I understand why people-" Yeah, if you do any reading about it, the statistics show that that is totally not the case Hmm. See? Yeah. But it's, it's- Yeah … but it is a, it is a very common misconception, though. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, "Oh, she must like it. She must have gotten beaten and…" I mean pe- but see, that's, and that's the thing, is people say the same thing about swingers. Yeah. Right. They're like, "Oh, well, you know, they, somebody cheated." Yes. "Who cheated?" Yeah. Yeah. Or, or, you know, "They must-" That's true … "they must have came from a sexualized home," or whatever. That's true. You know, stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. Y- and, you know, that's, that's really one of the reasons why we started this podcast, was to kind of educate others- Yeah that, hey, we're all just normal motherfucking people, guys. It's hard for people to understand that pleasure is a good thing.

20:28 Yeah. And that's all that it is, whether it's on the kink side or the swinging side or the poly side. Mm-hmm. Like, getting and giving pleasure is, it's a thing. Like, it's something that we all enjoy and that we all wanna do. And, you know, some people like to go out on the boat on the weekend, right? Like, you know, that's their hobby. Some people go to a swingers club on the weekend, and that's their hobby. Some people go to, you know, a dungeon- Yeah … and that's their hobby. It's no different. Yeah. So, okay, sir, you're from Houston. Tell me about Houston. Like, I- and we've been there, we've been to house parties. We've never been to a club there. Is there a lot of kink type of clubs, uh, in Houston? Well, you started the Houston kink family, right? Yeah. Yeah, shout out to the family. What? Um, so obviously, you know, I'm, I'm, like I said, I'm LGBTQ, so I- most of my stuff is, is directed into the, into the queer space.

21:15 Um, there actually is a pretty healthy, uh, queer kink community here. Uh, that was very surprising. Those of you from Texas know that if you're from Dallas, you don't come to Houston, and if you're from Houston, you don't go to Dallas. Uh, so I have crossed the bridge and have, have been in both. Um, and I was very surprised. We moved to Houston in, in, at the end of 2020, um, and pretty quickly started meeting folks in, in the, in the space. Um, and I was shocked at how open and honest and, and incredible the community here was. We have a bar here called Ripcord, uh, which is the traditional gay leather bar here. Um, and so we started going out. I started going out in my gear. There's a cross, there's all sorts of stuff. They have kink nights, all, all sorts of different things.

21:55 So it's been really cool to meet everybody through that space, and then through that I've been connected to, to my friends. Um, and we just kinda started collecting people along the way, and it, you know, kinda became this group and, and this family, um, so to speak. So we do weekly dinners, we do monthly parties. Uh, we, you know, do demos with electro and, and, uh, flogging and all sorts of different things. Uh, the last party we had at a friend's house, we set up a dungeon in their garage and, and people were allowed to, you know, play at their will. Uh, so it's been a really, it's been a really cool experience to, to just open up and play. I haven't had this in any city that I've lived in, so Houston has been really surprising in that sense. Wow. Yeah, I would- And Texas, period- Yeah … would be- I know … kinda surprising- For sure … in that sense.

22:36 Yeah. Jason, do you ever attend any of his parties? Yeah . So I do. Yeah. Um, the, the, the first time was a little sketchy because, like, s- my brother's group, and my brother specifically, weren't really sure what to do with the straight guy there. And then the flip side of that was the straight guy wasn't really sure what to expect from the crowd that was there. Yeah. Um, so it was, you know, a little different the first time that I went But after that, like my brother's friends are my friends now. I, most of them like me more than they like him. He's part of the family. Yeah. Yeah. Um, super friendly gr- like I can't say enough. So like the kink community is very open-minded with everybody.

23:17 Um, you know, one thing that, that I, that I would say, I feel like from the swinger side of things versus the kink side of things, like swingers aren't as open-minded as people think that they really are, right? Like there's still a lot of- I agree. Oh, yeah … you know, uh um, you know, reservations about, you know, bi stuff and- Yes … gay stuff and things like that, right? Yes. Within the kink community. Yes. When you go, or w- in the swinging community, sorry. When you go into the kink community, that all gets thrown out the window, and it doesn't matter if you're gay, straight, whatever, whatever you identify as, w- you know, whatever all that is. Everybody's just there to experience and, and have a good time, and it is, it is much more open and much more accepting than anything I've ever found, um- Yeah … from a s- you know, from, from the, from the, the sexual part of it.

24:03 So, um- Well, one of the, one of the… I can't remember if it was the first party or the second party, but one of the, one of the first couple of parties that he came to, uh, we had, we debuted a new, uh, item at the party, and it was a, a vac cube, uh, that a friend of ours built. And Jason was one of the first people in it, uh, which was incredible. So you gotta explain what the vac cube is. Yeah. I was like, "Well, hey, hold on." Yeah. I don't know. So, yeah. I was, I mean, we were calling the other thing, what were we calling it? A horse something? Yeah. Yeah. So- Sawhorse? Yeah. Sawhorse. Sawhorse. Okay. So It's a fuck bench. Um, this- Thank you, sir. So a vac cube, yeah. So a vac cube is quite literally a cube that can either be spandex or most of the time it's latex or rubber. Uh, and you connect it to a vacuum, and it sucks the air out.

24:44 You're in the middle of it, and it suspends you in this cube. Uh, and then people can kinda mess with you, touch you. You can put ice on it, you know, all of that kinda thing. So it's more like sensory type play, uh, with a little bondage thrown in because you're literally trapped there in this cube. Yeah. Um, so yeah. So I was proud of him for… I wasn't in the room. I didn't see this. Uh, but I was, I heard about it. He was like, "Jason's in the cube. Jason's in the cube." Um, but it was really cool to see him just, like, throw caution to the wind and, and, and he doesn't know these people, and he, he just jumped right into the cube. And how, how was that experience for you, Jason? I loved it. It was a lot of fun. And it's funny because his friends were not sure what they could and couldn't touch on me. So, like, I got, like, pats on the shoulder- … or, you know, touches on the back, you know- Good boy.

25:28 Good boy … 'cause they're like, "I don't know. I don't know what to do with this guy." I was like Yay, sports. Yay. Very much that. You're such a man. So, uh, it wasn't anything sexual, but it was, it was really, it was like a big bear hug. Like, that's the best way I can explain it. Um, they actually have, like, vac beds where you can lay down, and it's that same type feeling. And I definitely wanna try that. Those are my favorite. Yeah. Um- I've, isn't that what Infliction has? Oh, no. Yeah, that guy was wearing a whole, like, leather suit and didn't they? I don't know, man. I was overstimulated. So we- … we went to, we went to Infliction one time, and, um, it was our first time. Yeah. And we walked into the, to the whole area. They're showing us the, the whole building, and in one corner we see this bed, and this gentleman is just Head to toe Head to toe in In, in rubber in rubber, and he has a bag over his head.

26:20 His face- Yeah … like, just his areas. Yeah. Yeah. And he's, uh, breath play. Yeah. And his dick was out. And his dick was out. This woman was, like, beating him, and you could see the air, like, him breathing through the- Oh, she, she was, she was punching his dick. Yeah. I was getting anxiety. Oh, wow. I was like… That's intense. I couldn't stop watching. Yeah. I was like, "Oh, my gosh. This is incredible." So- So they call that, like, CBT, so cock and ball torture, right? Yeah. Oh. Like, some people are really into it. Um, the, the women that, that, that know how to do that, um, it is definitely a trained field, but they enjoy it, and the receivers love it, and it is definitely a thing. I can't say that that's my thing. Yeah. But it is definitely a thing for a lot of people.

27:02 Now, um- I told a story on the show. One of my first kinky experiences was a guy who had me come over and kick him in the nuts, because that was- Oh … his thing. And I… That is not my thing, but I did it, and it was, it was fun. But- I feel like it would be her thing. Yeah. Yeah. I think she'd enjoy it. I mean, I love men, but there's some men I would totally kick in the balls. Absolutely. I mean, for sure. Um, I was actually think… We were, we were talking about, like, ooh, I wanna be a, I wanna be a dom. But I'm not into humiliating people. I'm not either. But I, I could definitely- Yeah, well, that's you … yeah, I could definitely- Mm … like, you know, slap a guy or be like, "Okay." She's not into humiliating people. Meanwhile, I sit here going, "Fuck off." Except you. I could never. Yeah. No, that she does for free. Okay, real quick before we get back into it, we gotta talk about sdc.com.

27:46 Oh, yes. Okay, so if you don't know SDC, it's basically the largest online community for open-minded adults. Which if you're listening to this show right now, I feel like you probably already know if that's your scene. Yeah. It's your people all in one place. Just make a profile and go explore. No weirdness, no judgment, just a ton of like-minded humans living their lives, just like us. Honestly, it's kinda fun just to poke around. Yeah, it really is. Go sign up at sdc.com. Use code 38236. Link's in the show notes. Okay, now back to what we were saying. Yes I'm all… Yeah. That's great. Now, do y'all's partners… Both of y'all are married.

28:27 Mm-hmm. Married to a gentleman, and you're married to a woman. And do y'all partners? So lo- long term, long term partners, like we might as well be married. Um- Okay … still, like, still not married, but we own a house, we own cars together. Co- yeah. Like we, we've been together 11 years, so. All good. Yeah. Um, do y'all share the same type of kinks? Like- No. I mean, I know they, I know they know about it, of course, right? Obviously. Um, but do y'all share the same type of things? Some. Okay. Okay. So, so I'll let my brother field this question. This is gonna be a better one for them. Give it to me. We, we… There's a couple that overlap. Like, he's probably more into le- he's not into rubber. Um, he's, he's, he's more into leather. Um, but no, he's, he's kinda developed his own sense of, of kinkiness and, and what he's into.

29:12 Sometimes they overlap, sometimes they really don't. Um, but it's been really cool for both of us to be able to allow each other to explore and learn what, what we're both into and, and explore that. Agree. I think that's, I think that's the best part of any relationship when you have something that you're not sure of, but y'all do it together- Yeah … to kinda see, mm, do I like it? Is this for me? You know, that was kind of… 'Cause my kink is the hot wife kink. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so I, you know, I dig that sorta thing, and for the longest time before we even started really doing the research that I would do about all this stuff, um, I felt like there was something wrong with me, you know? You get that shame, and then people don't, they can't separate the difference between hot wife and cuckold, and so they just label everything cuckold- Cuckold, yeah … and they just refer to you as a cuck, you know?

30:00 Yeah. Yeah. Which has very negative connotations. And then when you realize the differences between them, and then you have to explain that to people, it's like it kinda just makes it lose its flavor a little bit. Yeah, yeah. But I've always had this great appreciation for others that- Appreciating her essentially Yeah … one way or another. And, and, and that just- Hey, that's called compersion. Yeah. Yeah, compersion. Yeah. That's, uh, that's a word that, that we love to use on, on, on our show. And for that reason, like, people just assume, oh, because you wanna see your wife with somebody else, like, you must be, you know, you must feel small, and you must, you know, like- Yeah and that's totally not the case.

30:41 Like, you can be happy for your wife who's, you know, found a connection and having a good time. Like, why not, you know? So it doesn't have to be a negative connotation. But you're right, like, people just assume that it is because that's not how they view things or that's not how society views things. So it's definitely a thing. And- So I'm glad you called that out … even then, the, the negativity towards cuckold. I mean, I know people who are cuckolds and- Mm-hmm, and they enjoy it. They, and they're not less than. Yeah. Right. You know? That's the big thing is they're, they're using it in a way to make a, the person feel less than. And even in that particular kink, they're not. Like, it- Yeah. Right … there's a power exchange, but they're never less than, you know?

31:22 Right. But they've consented to that power exchange. Right. Right. Yeah. Right. So y'all mentioned something that I love to discuss. Compersion. Yes. I don't have compersion. I do, I do not ca- I lo- I, I, I have heard that in your show. It's funny because I, like- I, I am the, I am the gir- yeah … it comes across in your show that you are not a happy camper when it comes to that. I am not, yeah. I am not, I do not have compersion. Good for you. You did what you did. I don't wanna know about it. I really have to be in a s- Oh, interesting. Yeah, I have to be in a, in a very different head space for him to even ex- like, tell me, "Oh, how was your, how was your friends with benefit date? Like, how was it?" Um, I don't wanna know. I'm the I don't wanna know. I'm also a very jealous woman.

32:05 Like, it's the two things that people say, "How do you even survive in the lifestyle?" They tell me, they're like, "Why do you even wanna do this?" I'm like, I, I don't- And I'm like, "I-" Yeah. We- "… I like to taste death a little bit." "I like to make sure I'm still alive," you know? And, you know, um, in the beginning, I didn't know how to navigate either of those two things. Like- Yeah … I just- Which I'm sure made things difficult. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Years of, you know, we, we would have disagreements, and in the lifestyle, get out of the lifestyle, in the, you know, back and forth. But it, it took a lot of, um… And we were just talking about this. It took a lot of understanding myself and explaining and expressing it to him in a totally different way, not under arguments or, you know, no one's yelling.

32:48 "Look, you can have fun. I really don't care if you have fun. I just wanna know that I am the only one who makes you come that hard, feel that good." Like, in my brain, I just wanna be the only person. And as long as he comes home to you e- every night. Exactly, yeah. Yeah. That's, that's- Yeah … you know, that's what matters. So props to you for, like, figuring that out, 'cause a lot of people don't. And the- And being able to communicate about it, too. I think that's, like, that's the crux of the success of that, is that you actually- Yeah are able to say it out loud and have a conversa- an adult conversation about it. Yes. Yeah. How do you even do it? Well, what's helped is that we have a lot of therapists on the show. Yeah. We've had a lot of sex therapists. They help me, God, yeah. Relationship therapists, and we have this conversation quite a bit.

33:31 Um- And that's why they're there … and that's- Exactly … a- and it's like every single time we've met up and, and had somebody on the show, she walks away going, "Huh, I didn't know that." But, you know, and I'm like- And they're fine with that. Yeah … and I'm like, "Dude, I told you that a long time ago." "Well, yeah, no, I know you did, but…" You're not licensed. Yeah. I was like, you don't count. Yeah. It only works when somebody else says it. Yeah. That's right. That's right. Well, props to you, 'cause that's not the easiest thing to do, so high five to you. You know, and I'm still working through it. I have my days, but yeah. Everybody does. I- Hey, you know, I, I think I deserve a high five too. Oh, for sure. And I'll tell you why. Navigating this. See, that's the, that's the guy who needs a, the recognition. Yes. And- Navigating this.

34:12 Agreed. To be able, to be able to say, "Okay, let's, let's start having sex with other people," and "Okay, let's, let's go ahead and start dating other people," and to navigate A woman who has ADHD heavily, um, who really doesn't crave other people at all. Like- Mm … she likes the experiences now, but initially, in the beginning, she only did it for me. Yeah. Yeah. Um, a- a- admittedly now. Mm-hmm. Um, and now she's just starting to enjoy her experiences- Yeah … for herself. And I'm in menopause. And she was in menopause.

34:53 Cherry on top. Throw that in the mix. She was, she was perimenopause when we were poly. I was very, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And, uh, you know, it, to be able to navigate it all and not just say- And you're still alive … "Fuck all, I'm done with this." Fuck all this, yeah. Yeah, e- none of this. You sir, are a patient man and deserve an award. And that's why we have a podcast. You know what it is? That sounds like BDSM to me. Right? I, I like the beating, apparently. I do like the beating. Oh, I don't know, man. We're gonna have to meet up at Houston- There's a- … 'cause I definitely have to try … there's some underlying tone there, I'm sure. Yeah. Oh, so much. So much. I wanna be in the cube. Come on. You gotta do the cube? I do. Yeah? I wanna do the cube. I mean, and now that I talk, I start talking to different people who have different kinks, it really does spark interest.

35:37 Like, it really, you know, having these type of conversations really do spark, like, that little curiosity of, "Hmm, I didn't even know that existed." Yeah. Yeah, yeah. One of my friends, uh, calls it, uh, being trisexual. You try anything once, try it twice, maybe three times to make sure you don't like it or, or you do like it, and, and you go. There you go, Jason. Give it a fair shake. Yeah. Yeah, so you know, it's interesting, like my girlfriend and I have discovered, like we're very much on the voyeur and exhibitionism side of things. Like, we really enjoy that. Um, she does indulge me in, in some of my, some of my things. And honestly, like a lot of it I'm still just learning. Like, you know, there's things that I wanna try that we haven't done yet. Mm-hmm. Um, you know, like I, I have a fascination with the St. Andrew's cross, and I have yet to be on one.

36:20 So like, all of my brother's friends- Ooh … are like super excited that like, "Ooh, who's gonna be the first one?" So, um, you know, so there's that. But like, for me, um, like pegging is my thing. Like, I enjoy anal play. Mm-hmm. From, you know, from my perspective. Yeah. Um, and in the swinging community, that is not okay. No. Like, that is not something- Yeah … that is broadcast in- I mean, there's, there's a small, um, subgroup that w- that we're aware of in our community, uh- That loves that … that love it. Yeah But for the most part, I mean, there's people that will look the other way, and it's like, really? Like- Yeah … how are you gonna express judgment in an arena- I- where we don't wanna be judged, you know? Y- yeah, exactly. Amen. Like, I don't… And, and there's a lot of women that love to do that to their husbands, and no one talks about it.

37:04 And I'm like, "Well, why not?" Like it's, it's an experience. It doesn't mean that pers- you know, that your husband's gay or, you know, just wants to have anal play. Like, it's has no… It doesn't diminish you. And I think that's what a lot of people- It's, it's still my girlfriend behind me, like you know? Yeah. Like, it's- Yeah. Yeah. There's nothing gay about it. That's so… Exactly. Yeah. It's just the things that people say, man, just blow my mind. Yeah. Like, we've, we've talked to some people, and they're like, "No, that's, that's, you know, that's, that's so gay." And I'm like, "A- a- and?" What's the big deal? Like And what's wrong with that? Yeah. What are you saying to me? We figured out pleasure. Yeah. So, you know, and I'll- I'm guilty. Like, I subscribe to all of that, too, you know? Yeah. And then you start learning about, you know, the science of, you know, the men's, you know- Yes the prostate and the pleasure spot that we have, you know?

37:50 It's the women's G-spot just happens to be in our ass. Like, that's what, you know- Yeah … that's what it is. You know, and once you really have an appreciation for that and an understanding of that, it changes how you view those things, where it's like, oh, okay, well, that's supposed to feel good. You know, not shameful or not to be ashamed of, but it's, it's an erogenous zone, and it's okay. Yeah. Um, and once you kind of, like, work through that and, you know, much like you, Adam, like, I'm a homework guy. Like, I study everything. I wanna read all about it. Yeah. You know, and I go down rabbit holes that are, are too in-depth to even talk about here. But, like, that's where you learn all that stuff from, and once, you know, you understand kinda the mechanics behind all that, you, it makes it a much different conversation than, "Oh, he must be gay," you know?

38:32 Like- Yeah … it has nothing to do with it. Yeah. So. Well, you know, oftentimes it's, it's the people that say that kinda stuff are not trying to figure things out from an educational standpoint. Right. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, they're not here for the community of… They're, they're here to get their rocks off in the- Yep … nastiest of ways, and they're- Exactly … gonna be out. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Uh, so yeah, that's, that's always the thing. But, you know, I, I am curious, Jason, a- and I know we kind of, I don't know, we flew over it just real quick, but you have a thing for the, for the jockeys and the thongs. Is that right? Correct. Yeah. Now, I, I- Jocks and thongs. Now, how did, how did that come up?

39:14 Like, when did you realize that you had a- I, I'm, I gotta know. Like, how, how did you sit, when you sat back and you said, "You know what? Fuck yeah. This is me." So I had a client that was in the gay men's underwear space, and I had this client for years. One day, for whatever reason, I decided I was gonna place an order there just because I was curious what all the hype was about. And I didn't know what I wanted, so I ordered a mystery pack 'cause I couldn't decide. I was like, I don't know what, what I… Like, I don't know. Like, I wear boxer briefs. I don't know anything from jocks or thongs. So I ordered a mystery pack, and I was like, whatever they're gonna send, they'll just send it. So in that mystery pack was, um, two thongs and a jock.

39:56 And I was like, all right. So I tried the jock on, and I showed my girlfriend, and I actually liked it. Like, I liked how it felt. I liked the support. Like- Mm-hmm it wasn't uncomfortable. Everybody's like, "Oh, how can you have that thing riding up your ass?" It was not like that at all. I swear they are the most comfortable types of underwear that I own, and I own a lot of them now. But that's how it started was, it was, I, I had a client that was in that space. I had worked with that client for years. I don't know what it was that day where I was just like, you know what? Like, I'm gonna place an order. I'm just, I just wanna see. And that's how it started. Wow. I, that's, that's fascinating I've always wanted to- Yeah … watch him in a thigh. I always tell him, I'm like, "I'm gonna buy you one." And he's like, "No, no, I don't think I'd like that."

40:40 I'm like- I'm all thigh, baby. And I don't think I… You know, I'm gonna swallow those things up. You know what? And it's, it's not gonna be good. I promise you. I'm just gonna have to keep putting more on. I'm not gonna be able to take any off. So I, I hope I've changed your opinion of this. And Pris, if you want, I will be more than happy to send you some brand recommendations and- Yeah you go buy him a pair and see if he'll wear them, and I bet he likes them. I bet you would. You know, that's the, that's one thing is, is, and I've, I've always told her, I'm open-minded to whatever. Yes. And I, and I think that's really what's cool about how the two of you found your kinks, even before y'all even opened it up to each other. But to be able to be honest with yourself- Mm-hmm … and say, "Shit, I like this." Yeah.

41:26 And you know what? Fuck it. I, I'm gonna enjoy this. Mm-hmm. You know? And, and I'll tell you, you know, from, from that aspect, it, it actually helped me like health-wise because I saw how I looked and I was like, "Oh, I really like these." And then I was like, "Oh, I could really look good in these." So I cleaned up my diet, I went back to the gym, I lost some weight, like I started working out. And then it was like, oh my God, like now I, you know, now I really like the way that I look in this. So it helped me in- Now your ass just looks amazing, I bet. It, it helped me in so many ways. Like, just something stupid like that, you know? Yeah. Like on a whim I ordered a couple pair of underwear 'cause I thought, "What the hell?" And it totally changed my life from health and, you know, the kink side and, you know, all of this stuff.

42:08 So it, it really is- Same … it's just weird- That's amazing how it works like that. The confidence I get from wearing, wearing this piece of fabric that is, you know, rubber, uh, it's, it- I mean, I saw a picture of you. You looked amazing. Thank you. Yeah, it, I feel amazing. Yeah, it just, like the second I put it on, I, I f- I become somebody else. Like it's just- Yeah … it, it, it's a total transformation. I get that. I, whenever we go to the club, we're exhibitionists and voyeurs, so it's like when I put that lingerie on, I- Yeah … the only place I'll wear like a panty and a bra, whatever, I feel super sexy. You just, you carry yourself a little differently. Yes. And you're like, "Yeah, I'm, I'm a badass." Like- I'm like, "I'm on the shit." "I'm rocking it." Yes. Yeah. I don't know. See, I, I don't wear anything. Yeah. Like I don't wear anything.

42:48 There's nothing- 'Cause you're already a badass. You wear your, you wear your Hey Dudes. I do. I have Hey Dudes. He loves his Hey Dudes. I wear my nice and my dad shoes apparently. He just started him on Hey Dudes, so. All right. They're, they're very comfortable. Uh, so I guess that's, that could be my kink. There you go. There you go. There you go. You know, I wear 'em, I wear them everywhere I go. Uh, you know- Well- … I, I would love to be a nudist, honestly. Uh, but I am very, very insecure about my body. Yeah. So the contradictions i- in and of itself, like it, it's nuts, you know? Have you guys been to Hippie Hollow? I have not. I haven't been in like 25 years. Like- And there's, there's a lot of people that go out there in, in our communities and it's just like- Yeah … I don't know, man. I, I don't, I don't, I just don't… A- and everybody's like, "Well, you don't have to, like, get naked." Yeah.

43:31 Like, you can still come out and, you know, you could take your time. Like some people, they just feel real good in the community and like a nudist community and that sort of thing. They make 'em feel so comfortable that before you know it, they just do it, right? Um- I don't know. I don't even, uh… I'm with you. I'm, I'm not a nudist kinda person. I'm not showing- Yeah … my body off in, in public. No. This is true. I've never been to Hippie Hollow, but- Yeah … but it made me think of that, like, you know, if, if you can take that step, you know, you may find it's not as bad as you think. Yeah. You know, I'm in the- That's true mindset of I, I don't care. I could care less. Like, I am not- Yeah. I need to work out, but I am just- Well, dude, you're s- freaking smoking hot, man … I just, I, I was talking, I was telling him, I was like, "I'm in that point of my life that I'm like I, I feel great.

44:14 Yeah, I could go to the gym, and yeah, I should be eating better, but I feel great. I could care less." And that's all that matters. Yeah. Bang of a shit. It doesn't matter. That, that's all that matters. Yeah. Like, it's how you feel. Hippie Hollow. And, like, confidence is sexy, right? You know? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Which is funny, so I'm an exhibitionist. We are. Uh, we go to the club. We have sex in front of everybody- Yeah at the club all night long. Um- You like the fishbowl room? Yes. Yeah. You know, I… They took the couches away. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, you know, that's my favorite thing is putting on a show. Yeah. Now, I could be naked there. But as soon as I- 'Cause you're around your people. Right. Well, well Yeah … as soon as I'm done- He- I'm putting on my, I'm putting, yeah You're the first one to put clothes on, huh?

44:59 Put my underwear. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Oh, real quick. Real quick. Yeah. If I could just kinda fade to the background. I'm just like, "You stay there in front of everybody. They'll look at you while I sneak away." Yeah. So just maybe the thong will give you enough coverage that you feel better. Mm. But you're still showing off. Mm, look at that. See? Gryff issued you- Look at you … a challenge right there, I think. Look at you. You know, you- Challenge accepted. I'm trying to help you out, Pris. My goodness. So guys, where do y'all see the podcast going? Yeah, what's the plans- Like, what's the next? … for Kinky Bros Podcast? Who the fuck knows? Yes. That's a great question. That is a great question. I, like, honestly, we didn't think it would get to where it is, you know? Yeah. We, so one of the stats that we read was, was it, like, 90% of the podcasts fail before the first 10 episodes or fail, fail before- Yeah … the 10th episode or something like that.

45:47 Mm-hmm. I read that. When, when we, when we got to 10, we were like, "Oh my God. We made it to 10." We did it. We did it. We did it. Yeah. So, you know, I don't think either one of us thought it would get to be where it's at now. Yeah. Um, and, you know, we've got a, a good season two planned out. We've recorded a lot of the shows already. Um, really diving more into, like, the kink side of things or what we're into and a lot of guests. In fact, you had brought up, you know, the hot wife thing. We actually have, um, we have a hot wife episode coming out. Um, one of my near and dear friends is a hot wife, so we had her on the show. And, um, yeah, so we're trying to cover different topics that, you know, our, our, our typical group, um, isn't used to hearing about, and they seem to really be enjoying it.

46:29 Um- Yeah, like we're swingers, not, you know, in the kink world, so. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we have a lot of people that- Uh, we have a lot of swinksters, as they call them. We do. I like that term. Yeah. Yeah, they're swinksters. Straight play on that. It's, you know, it's funny, I used to explain it like a Venn diagram. You have swingers on one side, you have the BDSM or kink community on the other side, and then there's a little bit of overlap in the middle. Yeah. Yeah. Um, you know, between the two, so, um, so yeah, it's been a thing. It's, it's actually, it's starting to grow more. Uh- It is. We're gonna go to our first BDSM thing at the club. Kink night. Kink night. we have a friend who is a domme, and she's bringing her sub. Yeah. So I've, we've never been to that part of, or- Oh, I cannot wait to hear about that. Yeah. You guys have got to update us on that. We will. Yeah, yeah. We will. We're gonna go to kink night.

47:10 Uh, so yeah, we'll see where, where that goes. We don't know what's gonna happen with that, but. Uh, you know, it's also, it's a work night. So I don't know how kinky I can get on a work night. Yeah, school nights, school nights are hard. Yeah. I was like, how long are we gonna be there? You can be kinky till about 10:00 or 11:00. That's right. I feel like us just- 9:00 … going out is our kinkiness right there. Like, that's- The club opens at 9:00, so you give me… I give you an hour, and after that- Yeah … I'm gonna be like, "Okay, it's time to go." Actually, it opens at 8:00- Oh … on, on- Then even better … Thursdays. Two hours. I'll be like, "I gotta be in bed." That's one, that's one of the things that we hate about the, the swinging stuff, is everything starts so late. You know, like- Yeah. Yeah … you know, for us during the week, like, we're in bed by 9:00, 9:30. I'm up at 5:00 in the morning every morning, you know? Same. Yeah. So like, I'll… You know, it's tough for me to… Like, what do you mean we have to stay out till 11:00?

47:52 Like, and that's just when things are getting started, you know? It's like, ugh. We are those people that- Jason, you gotta hang out with us more often … yeah, we go to the club and we- We're daytime people, man … yeah, we're there at 9:00- … at the club, and by 9:30, 10:00 o'clock the latest, I'm like, "Okay, we really need to go to the back." Yeah. And so we'll do that a few times. Yeah. And then by 11:00, maybe 12:00, we're like, "Okay, bye everybody. We're done." Yeah, I wanna be home by midnight. Yeah, it's like- Whataburger time. Even house parties. When we go to house parties- Yeah … we're, like, the first ones to play. No one else will play, and I'll be like, "All right. Well, we're out. Like, we're done. Like, you guys, we're not gonna wait till people are comfortable, like, drinking and stuff like that." It's like, "Nah." Yeah. "We're good." You're my kind of people. Yeah. Well, we're stoners. Yeah.

48:32 Yeah. I mean, we're not- May- maybe, maybe that's, maybe that's it there … you know, I'm not… I don't wanna stay up all night drinking, 'cause I'm already stoned. Yeah. I've already had sex. I'm ready to eat and go to bed. Ready, I'm ready for my munchies and to go home and go to bed. That's right. What more do I need? Yeah. You know? Exactly. So, well, so that's ex- so that's exciting, so you guys are gonna continue churning out the, the show. Because I gotta, I gotta have something to listen to. Like I said, I don't, I don't, I don't listen to podcasts. Yeah. I'm a, you know, a Steely Dan guy. Right now you guys are replacing Steely Dan. Oh, I love it. Hey. Love it. Love it. Give them, give them a rest. We'll… They'll be there. They'll always be there. Yeah. Yeah.

49:13 Yeah, really, y- your feedback was so cool to us because, you know, it, it was definitely, you know, coming from somebody that's got a successful show and somebody that doesn't even like podcasts, when, when you sent the note and you're like, "Look, like I don't listen to this. I don't listen to podcasts," and you guys grabbed my attention, like that hit home for us. We really appreciate it. Yeah. Like that type of feedback is, is why we are gonna keep doing this, 'cause- You should see the side chat. It's like crying emojis and hearts- … and all of this stuff like going back and forth. We're like, "This is so cool." I can't… I mean, I can't wait for our people to, to listen because it's different. The, the message that you guys are giving just, just in the conversations that you're having with each other alone- Mm-hmm … are very big because there are so many people out there who are related, probably have the exact same situation as y'all- Yeah or similar, and don't have that knowledge or capacity to say, "Maybe we… Maybe I can talk to them about it," you know?

50:08 Mm-hmm. Let's just have the conversation. Just have the conversation. We have, we have felt alone in our sibling-ness in the, in the kink world, but we are learning that there are more of us out there. There are more of us that, that wanna open up to each other and talk to each other, and so we're… you know, that's really the whole goal of this, is just to open up a conversation with people. Yeah. Yeah. And you know what? It's a frigging love story. Yeah. I think that's so frigging cool. It is. Because you guys love each other so much, like the, the brotherly love that y'all have. Yeah. It… and it comes out in, in the conversations that y'all have. Like, I really love hearing y'all banter with each other. Uh, so like I said, I, I, I really enjoy your show. Thank you. I'm glad that I get to scope it out. I hope you guys keep it going.

50:49 Yes. If there's anything I can ever do for y'all- Yes … let me know. Come on. Uh, you know, but, uh, yeah, I'll probably have you guys on the show a- again further, further along the line at some point. Likewise. Yeah. You got me to join our show now. Yeah, exactly. We gotta do a- Yes … crossover event. A crossover. That would be so much fun. Just say the word. Yeah, for sure. After I try, after I try the underwear? Yeah. After Adam tries the underwear- Yeah … and after I try some leather, or not the leather. Rubber. I wanna do the rubber. Is it rubber- The rubber, yeah … or is it latex? Is that the same thing? It's rubber. They're basically the same thing, yeah. They're kinda the same, right? Rubber and latex? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I've seen this woman- One, one is, one is of the other, yeah. Okay. Okay. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. I want a dress Like, it's so sexy.

51:30 Like, on women, like, I find it so sexy. Like, if there's a woman that's dressed in, in rubber. It's beautiful. It is… Like, the imagery behind all of that stuff is just, ugh. I like the smell of rubber. Yeah? Personally. Yeah. The rub, the smell of it? Yep. Yeah, I do. Yeah. I, I mean, I used to love to go to the tire shop. It doesn't smell like that. Yeah, that's true. That's not the smell of rubber, is it? Yeah. Yes. You know that the, the tire area. That's great. Like, that smell, that rubber smell. Yeah. Oh, I love it. Yeah. Huh. Yeah, it's great. Holy shit. The sound of it. I ex- I think I'm into rubber I'm converting more. Damn. I'm converting more. Man, between the two of y'all, I'm gonna be in a, in a frigging rubber thong. Let's go. I'm into this. Like… And I'm gonna be trying to take it off at Hippie Hollow unsuccessfully.

52:14 But at least I got something to look forward to. It's like a piece of floss. That sounds like fun. That's right. Yeah. Well, you know what? We do what we have to. That's so good. Oh my gosh. Guys, I appreciate you guys, uh- Thank you for having us. Well, let's- Let the, let the crowd know where can they find you guys. What is your show called? We are the Kinky Bros. So on Apple and, uh, Spotify, iHeart, and Amazon Music, you can find us. Uh, search the Kinky Bros Podcast. Uh, we are @kinkybrospodcast on Instagram and BlueSky, @kinkybrospod on X, and thekinkybros.com. Ooh. Nice. All right. What is BlueSky? It is a, uh… So BlueSky has been out there for a couple of years now.

52:55 It was kind of the answer when Twitter kinda started locking down its thing. I was gonna say. Oh. BlueSky came up and said, "Hold my hoops. I'm gonna take all of this stuff." Yeah. Uh, so it's kinda the Tumblr, Twitter new thing, uh, that people are getting onto. So there's no rules really there. Man. Now I gotta get on BlueSky. I know. I used to have a company that would manage my OnlyFans, and they put me on BlueSky. They were on BlueSky? Yeah. Yeah. I found you on BlueSky. Did you? Yeah. Really? There you go. Yeah. Wow. Um, cool. She's got a page. I have a page. I told you You're so naughty I, I used to have a company that would manage it. Now I'm like, "Well, fuck it. I'll just do it myself." Nope. So, you know what's funny about us that we've been doing this show and have learning… You know, we've learned, known about each other for a couple of years.

53:36 Yeah We do not follow each other on any of our kinky, uh, pages at, at all. So we've, we've kept that separate. Because I don't need to see my brother in a thong. Uh, but- Like, I, I, I, I post not safe for work pictures where he, he doesn't, or at least I don't think he does. Um, most of his stuff is, like, the Kingstagram stuff where his- Yeah … is all on, on Instagram. Like, I venture off into Reddit and FetLife and, and places like that, so. Okay. I, I, I'm okay bearing all. Um- Same … so yeah. Same. I'm not all there. Y'all are, y'all are in different realms there. I got it. That's awesome. Yeah. That, that's where we draw the line. Yeah, that's right. That's where we draw the line. You gotta have, you gotta have boundaries there. Nope. Please. Yeah, exactly. Don't tag me. Healthy boundaries. Exactly. I'm all about there's a, a big rope, um… You wanna tell them about the rope show in November?

54:20 Like, this one's- Yeah … far enough away where you guys can still plan for it. Oh, you got her attention now. I'm all, "What the heck?" So, uh, a good friend of ours does, uh, Shibari, uh, rope. Yeah. Uh, so bondage, things like that. Uh, he is- Yes … an incredible artist with it. Um, so we have a group here that he started called Bound HTX, um, and they do monthly classes and, and all of that kind of stuff. But he's putting together what he's calling Shibari E. Uh, so an art show all around Shibari. Um, so live demos, live artwork, all of that kind of stuff. So it's November 14th, which I believe is a Saturday. Um, so I'll send you all the details once, uh- Yeah … once he, he does that. In fact, we have to record with him because we did our rope episode with him but yeah, so that's gonna be in November if y'all wanna come out for that. I, I know he would love the support. We would love to see you there. Like, it's, it's gonna be really, really cool.

55:02 For sure. And it'll be a very mixed crowd. Yeah. Nice. Like, it'll be a very mixed crowd, like, so, um, but I'm definitely going- That's… We love meeting new people. Gryff, Jason, this was such a great conversation, as you can see with all the laughter we had. Thank you both for being so open with us and with our audience. Yes. Everybody go find the Kinky Bros podcast and give them a follow. This is a show you do not wanna miss, and you want it in your rotation. Yeah. And to all of you listening, if you enjoyed this episode, hit that like button, subscribe if you haven't already, and share it with someone who needs to hear it, because you know that they're out there. And seriously, if you've got 30 seconds, leave us a review. That five star genuinely helps more people find our show, and it makes us look good.

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