S1 E9 Bisexuality in the Lifestyle: An Insightful Exchange

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Hello, and welcome to another episode of Beyond Monogamy.

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I'm Adam. And I'm Prez. And today we're talking

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about bisexuality in the lifestyle

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or just period? Really, not just in the lifestyle, but bisexuality.

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Okay. This is really. I. It's a topic

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that I really don't know a whole lot about

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because I am straight. Yes. But you are my

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window into the bisexuality world. O. Okay. You obviously

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are bisexual. You are bi.

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Furious. I'm bifurious. Yeah. You're. You're. I'm a fan of

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the ladies. Furiously bi. I am. Yeah.

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So I wanted to do this show in particular

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because there's a lot of things that I do not understand

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or do not know regarding being bisexual.

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And not just being bisexual, but being bisexual in the lifestyle,

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how it pertains what. What things that we've

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heard, this and that. And so I wrote down a few things.

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Okay. That I was curious about, and I. And I'm.

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I just wanted to bring them up and see what we can talk about here.

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The first thing that I wanted to really kind of delve into was,

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when did you first realize that you were bisexual? Oh,

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really? Yeah. Let's take this back a step. So I

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actually knew I liked girls very

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young. Really. I. If I can

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remember right, maybe six,

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maybe seven. Wow. I already knew I liked girls.

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I was raised in a very Hispanic,

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very tight Catholic family that

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frowned upon same sex. Right. You know,

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even though we had a lot of it in our family, cousins and whatever,

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it was very frowned upon. Very old school. Very, very old school.

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So I actually didn't come out till, like,

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2012.

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2013. No. If you're talking. Well, you came

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out to me. Yeah. But when you came out publicly. Yeah.

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That was 2017. Because we came out at. That's right.

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So in 2017, I finally came out to everybody, so.

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But you're the only one that I really, really came out to,

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period. Ever. Yeah. Ever. So.

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Yeah. That is incredible. That's incredible. So you.

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You knew you liked women, but you didn't feel comfortable

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coming out publicly till 2017. Yeah.

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That's incredible. Yeah. If I. If I could go back,

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I probably. All my relationships would have been with women.

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I would never have found a

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relationship with a guy if I was. That's interesting, because I was given.

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Just kind of throwing this out here. Yeah. You and I

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became poly. We did poly for about five years. And the

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primary reason we went into poly was because I wanted you to have

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your experience of a female relationship.

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Not just sexual, but an actual relationship. And then afterwards,

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you said, no, no having a relationship. Well,

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you know, maybe with my previous ones, that could have probably worked,

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and I probably would have. I should have not. What? Should have. But I probably

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would have gone to women.

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But it was still ingrained in my brain

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that that was a no, you don't date women. Right. So then when you and

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I got together and we decided to be poly, I. I felt

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absolutely in love with you, and I was like, ooh, this is my soulmate.

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So, okay. Yeah, we can try to. I can try to date women.

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No. Just couldn't do it. No. I mean, I don't know. I don't know how

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it would be if I wasn't married. And it was just a regular. I think

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things have changed too. I mean, between now and then

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is. I. I feel like your mind has opened up a lot more

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to different things. Yeah. Do you see yourself

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further down the line, maybe entertaining that if somebody

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comes along that catches your attention, Would you ever consider entering

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some sort of romantic relationship with a woman? I don't think so. No.

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No, I don't think so. I. Relationships.

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Relationships like that are not.

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Are not something that I want, even if

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it's with a woman. It's something that I do not thrive

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for. Sure. So whether it's with a woman or a man, you just. Yeah.

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No, I'm a relationship outside of a. Friends with benefits.

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Yeah. Yeah. I don't. Yeah. That's it. No. No romance.

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No romance Tied in. Gotcha. I mean, I love my friends. Right.

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Right. Can have sex together. That's great. Yeah. But no.

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Interesting. Yeah. No, no. I. I was fortunate

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to be able to see the moment when you came out to

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your world. Yeah. Your world. Yes. And I

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remember you did a very long, beautiful post. Yes.

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Before ChatGPT existed. Yes. You actually wrote

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this post yourself and posted it to your personal Facebook.

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I did. And I remember you putting it out there, and I

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remember you actually being Em about it.

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Yeah. And it was a big moment for you because you were like,

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I don't. I don't know if this is a right thing that I'm doing,

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but this is what I feel. Oh, I. Yeah. And this

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is what I want. Yes. And I hope it doesn't mess

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things up, but we're gonna find out. And of course, we did it at

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the same time as coming out as poly. Right.

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And so I think that your bisexuality post

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was overshadowed by. By the fact that we came

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out as polyamorous. Yeah,

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I think so.

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The. The whole bisexual coming out was very. A lot

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of people were like, what? And she's married. What?

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Yeah. And so with that, we lost a

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lot of. Or I lost a lot of friends. We both did. Yeah. And family.

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Yeah. Like, you know, they couldn't understand. They couldn't

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grasp it. Well, I had. And I had family members that pretended like

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they got it. Like they were like, oh, yeah, I'm cool with it. And then

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they'd walk away and they'd talk crap. Or some other friends or friends

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would be like, oh, I knew it. You did not. Yeah. Or those friends that.

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That thought, oh, well, she's bisexual now, so she's going to start hitting on my.

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Yeah. So we, we lost some connections

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because of insecurities and jealousies after we came out. Like,

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you came out bisexual. Yeah. That's interesting. That is

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interesting. So because you're

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bisexual, has it been easier as

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a bisexual female in the lifestyle than maybe

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if you were a straight woman, would you say

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that your. I don't think your situation is easier.

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I wouldn't say it's. It's easier being me. Yeah, yeah,

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it's. I can be me, you know? What do you mean by that? So I

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can be free to flirt with a woman and be free to flirt with the

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guy. Like, I can flirt with both. But the lifestyle,

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believe it or not, I have not really been with

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a lot of women that are in the lifestyle.

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Most of the women that you've been with are not in the lifestyle. Are not

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in the lifestyle. They're just bisexuals

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or lesbians. Interesting. Yeah, it's,

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you know, we get the whole bi situational thing in the lifestyle,

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so. Yeah, there's not a lot of women that I

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have been with in the lifestyle. That's interesting. Yeah, but it

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has been easier. And, and, well, so would you think that it would

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be easier than. Than if you were just. You would think female in the

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lifestyle? Yeah. Like, you would think because I'm bisexual,

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I can go with both. Right. You have, you have your pick of the lip.

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I have my Pick of the lip. Yeah. But. Yeah,

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that's interesting. Yeah, it's. And to find somebody who's bisexual

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in the lifestyle. Not every woman is.

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Yeah. You know, I will say for myself, it is

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difficult being a straight only male in the

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lifestyle. And what I mean by that is, you know,

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I have some. And I think I've said this before, I have some really great

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male friends. Yeah. And attractive dudes. Like, I'm secure

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enough to say I have some attractive dude friends and

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some of them, you know, are. Are bisexual.

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And, you know, I've had attractive men come

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on to me and, and do that whole thing. Yeah. And I'm

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so flattered by it. And I'm like, dude, if. If sometimes I

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wish I was bisexual so that I could engage

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in that. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because I love

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my friends with my whole heart. And so that portion of it is

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covered. Right. You know, my, My friends who, who maybe hit

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on me and that sort of thing. If you want me to love you,

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I already got you. Yeah. Like, I love you. Yeah. But the only, the only

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missing piece to that puzzle is, I'm sorry, my dick's not gonna get hard.

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Yeah. If you. If you touch my arm, you know, it's just not gonna.

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Yeah. You know what I mean? And I feel horrible because I'm just like,

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man, if I could, I would. Absolutely. Yeah. You know what I mean?

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I mean, I feel like it's the same way for women.

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Right. We never know who will, like, we'll hit on each other

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or kind of flirt with each other, but are we just being friendly?

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Right. Or is this actually happening? Right. I do

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not know how to hit on women. I go full force,

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either straight. I want you, like, can we

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do this? Like, when are we gonna do this? Right. But I wish also men

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were like that. Like, they do. Like, I can be in front of

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a woman and be like, hey, you want to go have some fun?

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Yeah. I've seen you do that. Yeah. So I do that. It's.

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I try to embrace it. It's normally that forwardness that

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I've. I've seen people kind of make. Like some

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women will make like a shocked face. And it's not a bad one. No,

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it's a shock. But it's almost like I wasn't prepared for that. Yeah. If I

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had been mentally prepared, I probably would have a better reaction.

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Silly. Yeah. But you know, it's one of those things. Sometimes you just kind of

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come out and say it. I. I always do come out for women. Yeah.

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Or actually for men, too. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, let's go,

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too. Well, you know, I will tell you, sometimes I sit back

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and I go, man, I wish I was into dudes, because I

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think. I think that would be. I, you know, I will say that

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there is a stigma when it comes to.

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Outside of the lifestyle. There's a stigma to be either bisexual,

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male or female. Like, they just. They don't want to come out, you know.

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Yeah. And it is. It is hard. Now, I know some men

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and some women who did not think they were. That they

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liked the other. The same sex. Yeah. And have come into the

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lifestyle and been like, oh, wow, I do. I like.

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You know, I'm a male and I like guys, or I'm a female and I

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like women. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. I thought I was straight. So there's

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a lot of that, and it's really cool because the community embraces

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that, like. Yeah, it's a very free. Very free type

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of community. It is. Yes. You know, which is great. From judgment or

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if people are judging you, they normally do it, you know,

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behind your back. Yeah, yeah. But, like, do it to your face.

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Yeah. But, you know, I. I think that

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being bisexual in the lifestyle, I would personally think would

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be easier, like, if I was a bisexual male

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in the lifestyle, I think it would be easier to have more experiences

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and more fun and be able to get out there rather than just restrict

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myself to the one sex. Yeah. Yeah. I think it would

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be a lot more fun. I could have more experiences. So it's one of

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those things where I kind of. Sometimes I have fomo. I'm like, man, I could

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be taking part in this if I was, you know,

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going the other way. But it's just one of those things. Yeah.

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And I. I have always found it interesting just

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to kind of live through you and see how. How it affects you.

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And now that we've. We have more friends that are

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bisexual, bisexual women and bisexual men. And I love

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asking these kinds of questions because it's not anything

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that I can really relate to. So it's interesting

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to me. And so with that,

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it kind of moves us on to another question that I

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had for you here. I like when you ask me questions.

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I like to ask you questions. Go, okay, how comfortable are you

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as a bisexual woman hitting on couples?

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I'm pretty comfortable when it comes to. Hitting on couples

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because you can. You can really, like. Do you direct your energies

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more towards the woman? Do you direct it more towards the man? Or do you

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try to keep. Okay, I guess you're. You're. You're. You asked the

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right question. Because I always.

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When I hit on a couple, I don't want

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the man to think that they're not wanted.

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So when I hit on a couple I'm hitting on, and I

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know that the woman is bisexual, I want to hit on. I'm going to hit

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on both. Right. Because you don't want him to feel like. I do not know.

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They just want my wife. But it's the same way if I'm hitting on him

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for just. You know what I mean? Like, on a straight level, like, I want

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to make sure that both parties are comfortable. And if

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the woman is into women, great. I'm gonna hit on both

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of y'all at the same time. We gonna make it a fun little sandwich.

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Now, do you find that you flirt the same with

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men that you do with women? I find that I hold back

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when I'm flirting with, say, a couple.

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When I'm flirting with a couple, I feel

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like I hold back on the man.

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Really? Yeah. Like, I give. I feel sometimes that

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I'm giving the woman a little bit too much attention,

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and I. I don't want to do that. Like, because if I want both,

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I want both. Right. So it's a really. I have to balance

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that out. And it's Sometimes can be

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difficult because I want to make sure they both know that

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I'm equally interested in both of them. Right. You know,

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but sometimes women are

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just easier to flirt with. Or maybe, I mean, the male. I mean, it just

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depends, right. On the person. So, gosh, there's couples that

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we talk to, and I'm like, I can flirt more with the girl than I

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can with the guy. Why? I don't even know she's

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always on there or something. You know what I mean? Like, interesting.

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But I do try to give. If I'm flirting with a couple, I want

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both. Huh? Yeah. Okay. And see, whenever I talk to a couple,

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being that I am, I'm not bisexual. Yeah. It.

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I always want the man in the couple to

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feel just as engaged by me. Yeah, that's the

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word. Than. You know, like, I'm. I'm not just talking to your wife.

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Even though it's obvious I'm into your wife and I'm flirting with

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her, I normally try to bring the husband in or the. The.

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The partner just in conversation. Yeah, just in conversation.

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Exactly. Yeah. And just so that they know that, hey,

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you know, you're not being overlooked. Yeah. You know, I. And so

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that's. That's always a tough part, you know. And if I was a bisexual

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male, that would probably be easier for me to flirt with

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him and flirt with her and, you know. You think so?

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Well, I would think so. Plus that four way connection. I mean, you're talking

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about that four way connection between couples.

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Yes. And the true four way connection where

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both men are bisexual. Like that is. That's hard.

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Yeah. Like that's heavy duty stuff. Yeah. And so when you

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find it, you really got to hold on to it, I would think, you know,

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if you're in that situation. So that's. I always found that kind of

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interesting. Now, do you look for the same qualities in

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a woman as you do in a man as far as what

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attracts you not only physically,

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but personality wise,

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do you feel like you're looking for the same thing?

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Well, yes. So I like people to make me

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laugh. Okay. You have to have a good sense of humor. That goes for men

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and women. That goes for men and women. I don't want,

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I want just laid back. So yeah, I do. I look for the same qualities

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personality wise. You know,

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sometimes the man is a little quieter than the woman,

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which is fine, you know, but like I do. I look

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for the same qualities. Make me laugh, be sweet,

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you know. Yeah, yeah. Kindness. Kindness goes

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a long way. That's interesting. Well, and what about physically? Are there

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physical characters? I mean, obviously. Right. Boobs and butt and.

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Yeah, there's. There's certain things that, that women have that men don't

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have and vice versa. But physical characteristics. Is there something

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that you zone in on? I do women I

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like tall. Okay. I like tall men. For your women.

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I, I like women to be at least my height. Okay. Which is five.

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Five. Okay. But I like tall men and I

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like women to at least, at least be my height. But if you're a little

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shorter, that's okay. You're the same height laying down, it's all good.

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But you don't like anything shorter than you. Yeah. I mean,

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I know you don't like any men shorter than you, but you can't deal with

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women shorter than you. Not too short. Why is

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that? Because it's not like you guys are going to be having sex standing up.

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Right? I know that's what I just said. You're so then that

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You've got to make me understand. I don't know if I'm standing up kissing you,

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I don't want to have to like bend. But are you going to be standing

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up kissing another one? I don't know. I Might Really? I mean,

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you think after dinner or something. Most likely when

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you're with a woman. And I'm saying, like, short,

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like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Short ladies. But if you're like 4,

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6 or 4, like anything, be below

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like 4 or 5, that's too short for me.

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Really. Yeah. You know, I, I'll, I'll say that

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I've never really cared about height. Yeah.

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When it comes to. No, you haven't. When it comes to sex. Yeah. When we

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started dating others, I dated some really short

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girls and it, it didn't work. Yeah. It just didn't

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work. Yeah. It felt weird. Yeah. But sexually,

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all day long. Yeah. I don't care. What, I don't care if you're tall.

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I don't care if you're short. Like, I got you, girl. You know what I

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mean? Yeah. So that. I always found that kind of.

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So, yeah. No, I want my height.

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Interesting. See, now I like. So I have a thing.

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And we've talked about this before, I have a thing for women with

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larger noses. Yes. I, I don't know what it is.

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Yeah. I, I, there's, there's something about

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a woman with a, A bigger nose. Yeah. That just attracts

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me. Yeah. Right. We've talked about. Yeah. And a lot of the women, that.

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It's the uniqueness. They're very pretty. They're pretty. Yeah. Kind of,

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it's kind of like Baby from. Yeah. Dancing. You know what I mean?

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Yeah. Like, I liked her before she got her nose done. Yeah. You know

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what I mean? It's, it's a natural quality because I like the girl next

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door look. And I think most likely the girl next door probably

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has a big nose. And so I always wondered, if I was bisexual,

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if I was into men, would I want somebody with a big nose? You know

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what I mean? Like, I always wondered if that's going to carry on into a

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different sex. I like women with long hair, but I also

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like women with short hair. Yeah. So I like

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men with long hair and short hair that. You like men who are bald.

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Do you like women who are. I like men who are bald. I, No,

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I don't. Like, I want hair on your head if you're a woman. Just saying.

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So That's a very good point. Yeah. Obviously you're not going to carry on the

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same characteristics from one to the other. No. Yeah,

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that's very. Got to be a difference. Yeah, it's got to be a difference because,

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I mean, there, there are women out there who, Who. Yeah. You Know,

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I mean, I like. So I. I like my women curvy.

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I love curvy women. I don't really like.

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But I also like big guys. Really? So that's. That's. There you

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go. So here's. I like big guys. If I. I think if

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I was into men, I think I would like

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bigger guys. Yeah. Like. Like I. Because I'm a big

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guy. Yeah. And I would think I would want a big guy. Yeah. I don't

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like thin men. Like really thin men.

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I got some big thighs and I do not like really like.

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I mean, if it happens, it happens. Right. But I like me a

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thickness, you know, for both male and female, I guess.

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Yeah. Sense. Yeah. Sure, sure.

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Well, so now are the things that you prefer

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to do with one sex over the other, like,

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say cuddling. Say cuddling.

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Yeah. Would you be more open to cuddling with a female than

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you would a male? Or is it. No, from.

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From both. Because I happen to know you cuddled with one. One female

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friend of ours. Yeah. And you were totally cool. Yeah. But would you have done

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that with them? You were there. I was there. But you have done it with

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a male friend of ours and I was there. I think I've cuddled with

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the male person while you're having sex with a female right

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next to us. But that's not exactly the same

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as what. Okay. This was so like with me. And that's not sexual.

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No, we were just cuddling. I think just kind of petting each.

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Other and watching TV happened for quite some time before it turned into sex.

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I. I would probably cuddle with a woman

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more so than I would with a man. Really? Yeah.

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Why? I like the intimacy with a woman. Yeah. I don't.

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I don't need intimacy. Sorry. I don't need intimacy with a man. I have.

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I have you. If I want to cuddle with the. A burly dude,

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I got that. You know. Burly dude. Yeah. So,

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I mean, that's my preference. Yeah. Everybody has. I'm not a

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cuddler with. With the males. Yeah. But I'm a cuddler

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with the female. What about like, public displays of affection?

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I love that. I wish there was more women who

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were bisexual in the lifestyle and they're

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okay with like kissing each other and we have like. We've kissed

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our friends goodbye in public, whatnot. But I never

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know what they are okay with. Because you and I are okay with whatever.

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Right? Like, if there's a. I would love that.

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Like, that's my jam. If there's a Girl, and she's like, I'm so

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into you, and, you know, whatever. I'm so

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down for public affection. So you. You sound excited

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about. I am. I love that. Are you. But do you love it just as

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much with a man? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Really? Yeah, it's. It's the

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same. Really? Yeah. Wow. So I did not know that because

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I heard you make little comments here and there like,

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I'm. They're gonna kiss me. Oh, no, no, no. It's the same. It's the

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same. But it's. I like it more from

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a woman because I don't. I haven't really played with

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a lot of women, so I'm kind of still,

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you know. Yeah. Yeah. Navigating that.

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Sure. That makes sense. Yeah. Okay.

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Now, do you ever lose interest in a

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couple when you find out that the woman is not bisexual?

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No. See, so I. I've heard this from a lot of straight

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women in the lifestyle that they

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feel like the moment they find a

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couple who has a bisexual woman and they say, well, I'm sorry, but I'm

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straight. That. That couple with the bisexual woman

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will say, okay, well, forget it. And I

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do not. I do not care. Now, that has nothing.

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Now, if we are playing with a couple and you

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like the girl and I like the guy, that's. And that's as far as it

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goes. That's fine. Yeah,

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I don't. I don't care for

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when you're. When you say that, right. When the woman says, I'm not really into

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women, and then maybe they've had a few drinks and then, oh, now they're into

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women. Right? No, that doesn't fly with me.

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I would make sure that you stick to your guns and be like, you're not

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kissing this because you said you didn't like women. I'm not in it for

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that. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not going to take advantage of

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that. And just because you had a drunken little friend. No, I'm not that girl.

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But, yeah, no, I don't lose any interest. I think that's. That's cool.

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Good for you. I'm not in it. I mean, if I like your dude and

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you like the girl like the female, like, that's cool. See, now, I remember

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when we first started, you were more closed

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off to a woman wanting me.

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Yeah. And I remember when there was a

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woman who was straight and you would find out that they

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were straight, and then it was like, oh, well, then what's the point? Like,

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you seemed disinterested back then. Oh, yeah, that was

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a thing. Yeah. And I remember thinking to myself,

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well, hello. I remember thinking, I'm a part of this

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too. I remember thinking to myself, well, hello. He's part of it too. So,

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yeah, no, I had the same thought. Yeah. Yeah. No, I don't care now.

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I don't care if they. Well, so, yeah, yeah, I know, I know now you.

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Yeah, you lost that somewhere. I'm like, it's okay, because I don't want

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to be the force. Like, you don't like women. Cool. I'm not going

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to touch you. Like, it's, It's. We've been with couples

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who, the male is bisexual and they know you're not,

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and it's like, cool. I'm not going to touch them. Cool. Yeah, it's never,

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Never bothered me. It's one of those things

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where, you know, we've been with couples where the, the,

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the man is bisexual, and I remember having

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that they would come and talk to me and they'd be like, hey, you know,

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I'm not gonna violate your boundaries. I know that you're straight and

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that sort of. And it's like, I wouldn't give it a second thought. Like,

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I know we trust you. I'm secure in my sexuality,

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so I know that if there's a lot of playing in the same bed,

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guys are gonna touch. Yeah, it's gonna happen. Knees are gonna knock. I mean,

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you can't be homophobic about it. You can't be weird about it.

445
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No. And, you know, frankly, that sort of thing doesn't bother me. I mean,

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I, I, I've given guys a hug and we've both been naked.

447
00:26:54,296 --> 00:26:57,540
Yeah. It's like, okay, this is. Yeah, it's, that's what it is.

448
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,820
It's the phobias on some people. But no, but realistically,

449
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:07,032
I found. And, and so this is definitely a stereotype

450
00:27:07,096 --> 00:27:10,680
that I've heard from other people that really needs to be

451
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,592
squashed because there's a lot of straight guys out

452
00:27:14,616 --> 00:27:18,016
there who were like, well, I wouldn't play with a couple where the male

453
00:27:18,048 --> 00:27:21,340
is bisexual. Oh. I had a male tell me that

454
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,752
if you were going to be in the room, he didn't want to

455
00:27:24,776 --> 00:27:27,472
have. He was like, no, I don't want to run. He's like, I don't want

456
00:27:27,496 --> 00:27:30,672
him watching me. I'm like, why would he be watching you?

457
00:27:30,776 --> 00:27:34,560
Yeah, like, he is watching. I've run across that or where

458
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,952
I've talked to guys and been like, hey, you know,

459
00:27:37,976 --> 00:27:40,464
you want to, you want to have sex with my wife. Like, you want to

460
00:27:40,472 --> 00:27:43,892
join me? We can have a threesome. They're like, you like that sort of thing?

461
00:27:43,916 --> 00:27:46,628
And they have like this judgmental look in their face like.

462
00:27:46,764 --> 00:27:50,196
Like, I just asked to suck their dick. And it's like, take it easy,

463
00:27:50,228 --> 00:27:53,924
little bird. This is about us taking care of her.

464
00:27:54,012 --> 00:27:57,268
Yeah. This is not about me trying to do anything with

465
00:27:57,324 --> 00:28:00,660
you, you know, And I think that there's a lot of it

466
00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:04,164
revolves around these machismo men who,

467
00:28:04,332 --> 00:28:08,520
Yep. Don't really know how to function

468
00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:12,348
around anything different than themselves. Yeah. No.

469
00:28:12,484 --> 00:28:15,820
And so I always found that interesting. They kind of

470
00:28:15,860 --> 00:28:19,548
add fuel to that whole thought that,

471
00:28:19,684 --> 00:28:23,644
you know, you're a real man, you shouldn't be doing that, you know?

472
00:28:23,732 --> 00:28:26,796
And I remember the. When we first got into the lifestyle,

473
00:28:26,828 --> 00:28:30,028
I remember enjoying watching you with other

474
00:28:30,084 --> 00:28:33,484
men and having friends kind of really

475
00:28:33,572 --> 00:28:37,420
make me second guess myself on that. So. So many. Because they're like,

476
00:28:37,460 --> 00:28:41,140
what? How It's. What are you gay, dude? Yeah,

477
00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:44,660
Gay. And it's like, why would you even say that? Like, this is not.

478
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:47,556
Oh, yeah. You know, And. And so really,

479
00:28:47,708 --> 00:28:50,820
that kind of mentality of thinking has got

480
00:28:50,860 --> 00:28:54,260
to go. Yes. And that's the kind of thinking that is the reason

481
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:57,220
why there are so many bisexual men and women out there. Men,

482
00:28:57,260 --> 00:29:00,852
especially in the lifestyle, are afraid. That will not come

483
00:29:00,876 --> 00:29:04,292
out. Yeah. I had a friend of mine say, man, where are all

484
00:29:04,316 --> 00:29:07,784
the bisexual men in the lifestyle? And it's like, oh, they're there,

485
00:29:07,872 --> 00:29:11,080
they're there. They just don't want to announce that they're there, and rightfully so,

486
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,848
because, man, Lord knows what they deal with.

487
00:29:13,984 --> 00:29:17,384
Exactly. Like, I feel like it's. That's a very big,

488
00:29:17,472 --> 00:29:20,680
you know, stigma. Like women. Yeah.

489
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,720
Everybody. Everybody loves bisexual. It's a. It's a hot thing.

490
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,432
Right. When it's a male, it's like, oh, no. Oh, my gosh. What are you

491
00:29:27,456 --> 00:29:30,792
doing? Yeah, you know. Yeah. What? Two guys are kissing.

492
00:29:30,936 --> 00:29:33,784
We're gonna have to delve into that. How a male deals with.

493
00:29:33,872 --> 00:29:37,364
Yeah, well, you know, I've. I've. I know some people, you know,

494
00:29:37,452 --> 00:29:41,268
and I really am curious their take on it,

495
00:29:41,324 --> 00:29:44,676
because it's just, you know, it's got to be a difficult

496
00:29:44,788 --> 00:29:48,292
thing to deal with, to feel secure enough to

497
00:29:48,316 --> 00:29:51,700
come out and say, look, this is me. This is how I get down.

498
00:29:51,820 --> 00:29:55,284
And you don't want to make people uncomfortable,

499
00:29:55,332 --> 00:29:59,460
but at the same time, why should you have to board yourself up

500
00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:03,316
to make somebody else feel comfortable? You know what I mean? Like, yeah, this whole

501
00:30:03,348 --> 00:30:07,690
lifestyle should be Uncomfortable? Yeah, it's uncomfortable.

502
00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:11,958
I'm uncomfortable right now. It's just

503
00:30:12,014 --> 00:30:15,126
what it is, I guess. Yeah. I always wondered about that. You know, it's.

504
00:30:15,158 --> 00:30:18,870
It's. It's got to be a tough thing. Like I

505
00:30:18,910 --> 00:30:22,070
said, it's not something I could ever relate to. Yeah, no, it was so curious.

506
00:30:22,150 --> 00:30:25,990
It was very tough. I was very scared, but just personally

507
00:30:26,150 --> 00:30:29,174
scared to come out. But when we became,

508
00:30:29,302 --> 00:30:32,326
you know, I'll. I'll tell you a little story, and this is something you've never

509
00:30:32,398 --> 00:30:36,624
heard before. Check this out, okay? And I'm sharing it with you and everybody

510
00:30:36,672 --> 00:30:40,432
out here, okay? So when I was a teenager,

511
00:30:40,576 --> 00:30:44,480
late teens, right. You know, I had my own phone. This was back

512
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,792
when landlines were a thing. And I remember I had my

513
00:30:47,816 --> 00:30:51,100
own landline phone. And there was

514
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,752
like these little hotlines that you could call.

515
00:30:54,856 --> 00:30:58,974
Yeah. Where it was almost like a classified dating thing. You could.

516
00:30:59,072 --> 00:31:02,850
You could leave a voicemail for somebody, and they

517
00:31:02,890 --> 00:31:06,706
would leave little messages in your voicemail

518
00:31:06,738 --> 00:31:10,306
box, and you could check your voicemail box, and people would show their interest

519
00:31:10,378 --> 00:31:13,270
and that sort of thing. And then you could trade numbers and all that stuff.

520
00:31:13,690 --> 00:31:16,930
So I really was trying to figure myself out.

521
00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:20,546
I knew I was very, very interested in women, right?

522
00:31:20,618 --> 00:31:24,210
But I didn't have a whole lot of, I guess, experience with

523
00:31:24,250 --> 00:31:27,994
women, okay. I couldn't get women to really pay attention

524
00:31:28,042 --> 00:31:31,354
to me or be interested in me that I could tell. Okay.

525
00:31:31,482 --> 00:31:35,194
Well, when you're young and you have hormones and you're fucking,

526
00:31:35,242 --> 00:31:38,522
you're horny, and you just want that attention, you're gonna try and get

527
00:31:38,546 --> 00:31:42,074
it from anywhere, right? So I got on one of these hotlines trying to

528
00:31:42,082 --> 00:31:46,314
get attention of a woman. I ended up getting a guy who

529
00:31:46,482 --> 00:31:49,562
chatted or sent me a voicemail. And it

530
00:31:49,586 --> 00:31:53,114
was kind of one of those moments where it's like, well, I'm really horny.

531
00:31:53,242 --> 00:31:56,922
This person wants to talk to me about whatever, so what

532
00:31:56,946 --> 00:32:01,098
the fuck? Why not? So I ended up. We ended up exchanging numbers

533
00:32:01,274 --> 00:32:05,690
and we talked on the phone. And it was a sexual conversation.

534
00:32:05,850 --> 00:32:09,226
The only. To this date, the only sexual conversation I've

535
00:32:09,258 --> 00:32:13,030
ever had with a man. And it was like a phone sex kind of thing.

536
00:32:13,410 --> 00:32:17,018
And I remember having this very brief

537
00:32:17,114 --> 00:32:20,634
conversation, and I had been. I guess I had been edging myself

538
00:32:20,682 --> 00:32:24,250
for a long time, so just having an interaction with somebody that was

539
00:32:24,290 --> 00:32:27,286
sexual. I came relatively fast, right?

540
00:32:27,358 --> 00:32:30,982
And it had nothing to do with the conversation so much as it was.

541
00:32:31,006 --> 00:32:33,942
I was just talking to somebody sexually. Right. You know what I mean? And so

542
00:32:33,966 --> 00:32:37,462
it turned me on I came and. And then I immediately got scared and

543
00:32:37,486 --> 00:32:41,334
I hung up the phone. Right. Because I didn't know what to do. I was

544
00:32:41,342 --> 00:32:43,222
a young. I was a young guy, and I didn't know what to do.

545
00:32:43,246 --> 00:32:45,622
I was like, oh, my God. What? And so I hung up the phone real

546
00:32:45,646 --> 00:32:48,790
fast. Right. And he had my number. So then he called again.

547
00:32:48,910 --> 00:32:51,382
Yeah. And I hung up the phone real fast. Like I didn't know what to

548
00:32:51,406 --> 00:32:54,762
do. Yeah. It was a very confusing moment for me. Yeah.

549
00:32:54,906 --> 00:32:58,090
And so I remember I did. Were you confused if you were gay?

550
00:32:58,170 --> 00:33:02,026
Yes. And so I. I didn't, at that moment, know how to navigate

551
00:33:02,058 --> 00:33:05,562
it all. And I was like, I just basically had phone sex with

552
00:33:05,586 --> 00:33:09,258
another man. I really. It took me a while to

553
00:33:09,314 --> 00:33:13,270
kind of navigate those feelings and try and figure out what it was.

554
00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:17,664
And I didn't really know how that

555
00:33:17,802 --> 00:33:21,332
affected me. And it took me a while. Okay. And then I realized what

556
00:33:21,356 --> 00:33:24,692
it was. Well, I was just incredibly horny. Right. And at

557
00:33:24,716 --> 00:33:28,260
that point, it's like, anybody could have really reached out

558
00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:31,908
like that, and I would have came. Right. I mean, it was the act itself.

559
00:33:32,004 --> 00:33:35,476
Right. Was sexual. When I wasn't getting any kind of sexual.

560
00:33:35,588 --> 00:33:40,100
Yeah. Yeah. And so I realized it. It wasn't a

561
00:33:40,220 --> 00:33:44,020
bisexual moment for me, but it was something other

562
00:33:44,060 --> 00:33:46,788
than that. Yeah. And it was the only time that I ever had. Yeah.

563
00:33:46,804 --> 00:33:50,102
It was the only time I ever had that come up. But I remember thinking

564
00:33:50,166 --> 00:33:53,462
for the longest time, like, am I. Is this

565
00:33:53,486 --> 00:33:56,934
me now? Right. I mean, and I think most men have those

566
00:33:57,022 --> 00:34:00,438
moments where you sit back and you

567
00:34:00,494 --> 00:34:04,326
notice something or you see something or you feel something,

568
00:34:04,478 --> 00:34:08,262
and it's like, is. Is. I mean, is this a thing?

569
00:34:08,366 --> 00:34:11,222
We're human. I feel like attraction is attraction.

570
00:34:11,286 --> 00:34:14,262
Right, Right. And so if you kind of feel it and you go with it,

571
00:34:14,286 --> 00:34:17,632
then you feel it and you go with it. Yeah. But, yeah, you know,

572
00:34:17,656 --> 00:34:21,552
I. I feel like a lot of people who are

573
00:34:21,736 --> 00:34:25,168
homophobic or who have issues with this

574
00:34:25,224 --> 00:34:29,088
portion of the lifestyle, I think that a lot of them have

575
00:34:29,144 --> 00:34:32,672
these natural feelings that everybody seems to

576
00:34:32,696 --> 00:34:36,208
have, and it somehow offends them or it

577
00:34:36,264 --> 00:34:40,240
scares them, and it kind of changes their

578
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,760
attitude towards it, and they think, I shouldn't be feeling that, and they get

579
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,848
kind of angry or. I don't know. Right. It brings

580
00:34:46,864 --> 00:34:50,512
out a negative. Yeah. Because like

581
00:34:50,536 --> 00:34:53,168
I said, I hung up on this person. Yeah. I didn't know how to.

582
00:34:53,224 --> 00:34:56,128
I didn't know how to process those feelings. Like, what was I doing? Yeah.

583
00:34:56,224 --> 00:34:59,632
And it felt wrong. You know what I mean? And I remember it

584
00:34:59,656 --> 00:35:03,152
scared me for. It scared me. Yeah. It didn't scare me

585
00:35:03,176 --> 00:35:06,144
when I was doing it. Now, as soon as I. Yeah, as.

586
00:35:06,152 --> 00:35:09,088
Soon as I came, I was like, I felt immediate shame, and I was like,

587
00:35:09,144 --> 00:35:12,322
what am I doing? Yeah. And I guess

588
00:35:12,346 --> 00:35:15,522
that. That always kind of stuck with me. Well, then as you and

589
00:35:15,546 --> 00:35:17,750
I started dating,

590
00:35:18,330 --> 00:35:20,802
I had a lot of male friends,

591
00:35:20,906 --> 00:35:24,626
and I always got along really great with.

592
00:35:24,778 --> 00:35:28,002
With certain guys who were gay, you know, I always had really good

593
00:35:28,026 --> 00:35:31,202
gay friends. Like, they were amazing friends. And a lot

594
00:35:31,226 --> 00:35:34,722
of these guys would flirt with me, which sucked for

595
00:35:34,746 --> 00:35:38,694
me because I really liked them as people. And they're

596
00:35:38,742 --> 00:35:42,630
flirting with me, and I'm like, dude, I'm not into it. I'm sorry,

597
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:46,422
but stop flirting with me because you make it really difficult for me to,

598
00:35:46,526 --> 00:35:50,102
like, I. I can't reciprocate. Yeah. You know what

599
00:35:50,126 --> 00:35:54,230
I mean? Like, it's like. Yeah. And so I remember at

600
00:35:54,270 --> 00:35:58,070
one point just going, well, you know, I don't care. I can be physically

601
00:35:58,230 --> 00:36:01,782
affectionate with my male friends the same as I can with my female

602
00:36:01,846 --> 00:36:04,694
friends. And I would. I would. I would tell them I love them, and I

603
00:36:04,702 --> 00:36:07,772
still do. I give them a kiss, you know, on the cheek or I'll give

604
00:36:07,796 --> 00:36:10,604
them hugs and things like that. Because I do the same thing with my female

605
00:36:10,652 --> 00:36:14,444
friends as well. But, yeah, that. That was always a difficulty

606
00:36:14,492 --> 00:36:18,556
for me, was trying to navigate all of that because A,

607
00:36:18,628 --> 00:36:22,156
I don't like to hurt feelings, and B, I love

608
00:36:22,228 --> 00:36:25,532
my friends, whether they're male or female. Yeah. Yeah. And,

609
00:36:25,636 --> 00:36:29,452
you know, some of them, I love them so much that if we could

610
00:36:29,476 --> 00:36:33,196
just date without being romantic. Is that a thing,

611
00:36:33,268 --> 00:36:36,220
though? And I think that's a best friend thing. Right. You can be. I mean,

612
00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:39,212
yeah. You're essentially dating without being romantic. Dating.

613
00:36:39,276 --> 00:36:42,124
Best friends is. Going out is not dating. What is it called?

614
00:36:42,212 --> 00:36:45,308
It's just going out with your friends. Oh, well, you just know everything, don't you?

615
00:36:45,364 --> 00:36:48,716
I don't know. This is a whole new world for me.

616
00:36:48,788 --> 00:36:51,996
Yeah. I don't know. But, yeah, I. I remember

617
00:36:52,188 --> 00:36:55,916
that experience specifically kind of jarred

618
00:36:55,948 --> 00:36:59,480
me a little bit, and it took me a while to really kind of

619
00:36:59,870 --> 00:37:04,370
figure that whole thing out. Yeah. And now

620
00:37:04,750 --> 00:37:08,646
I think it's helped me become more secure with my

621
00:37:08,798 --> 00:37:12,822
sexuality. Yeah. Yeah. With my sexuality. Yeah. I've always been girl crazy

622
00:37:12,886 --> 00:37:15,650
since as far back as I can remember. Same. And I'm still.

623
00:37:15,950 --> 00:37:18,950
I'm still girl crazy. And yeah. Like,

624
00:37:18,990 --> 00:37:22,374
I've. I like women. It is what it

625
00:37:22,382 --> 00:37:25,590
is. Can't get away from it. You do too. I agree. And you know,

626
00:37:25,630 --> 00:37:28,922
I will tell you, as far as the lifestyle is concerned, concerned, being with a

627
00:37:28,946 --> 00:37:32,346
woman, being married to a woman who is bisexual

628
00:37:32,378 --> 00:37:35,530
and hot. This is my. This is my issue. Okay.

629
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:39,514
Because you're not just bisexual, you're also hot.

630
00:37:39,602 --> 00:37:43,210
Okay, so you're a hot bisexual. Thank you. And the

631
00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:47,242
problem with being married to someone like that in the lifestyle is

632
00:37:47,426 --> 00:37:51,226
I always feel overshadowed. You've said that. I never

633
00:37:51,298 --> 00:37:54,740
feel like anybody wants me. And no one has.

634
00:37:54,860 --> 00:37:59,400
Everybody wants you. And, and you know what I mean, the women that are bisexual

635
00:37:59,740 --> 00:38:02,916
and that have conversed with us.

636
00:38:02,988 --> 00:38:06,612
Yeah. Are totally into you. Which is funny.

637
00:38:06,676 --> 00:38:09,844
Which is funny because. Funny because I wouldn't figure that would be. But that's.

638
00:38:09,892 --> 00:38:13,028
Well, that's where. That's where I look for a couple that I want

639
00:38:13,084 --> 00:38:16,212
both if the lady is bisexual. So it goes the same way, you know,

640
00:38:16,236 --> 00:38:19,124
like. Yeah, that makes like, I'm not. Everybody's like, no,

641
00:38:19,212 --> 00:38:22,148
you think? Not everybody is. We have run into. Well,

642
00:38:22,204 --> 00:38:25,808
yeah. Where it's very obvious that they're all you and

643
00:38:25,864 --> 00:38:28,960
I could either be in the room or not in the room. They don't care.

644
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,048
Well, I mean, we've also run into couples that want you and not me.

645
00:38:32,104 --> 00:38:35,792
So that was weird. Yeah. I mean, but it

646
00:38:35,816 --> 00:38:39,696
happens. Have you spoken to me? I get it. I can't.

647
00:38:39,808 --> 00:38:42,220
But no, like, bisexuality is,

648
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,904
is. Is nice in the lifestyle. It is.

649
00:38:45,992 --> 00:38:48,912
But it really depends on the view because like I said on my end of

650
00:38:48,936 --> 00:38:52,950
things, being married to a smoking, fine woman who is

651
00:38:52,990 --> 00:38:56,950
bisexual, it's obvious that not only every man

652
00:38:56,990 --> 00:39:00,566
is going to go after you, but every woman who's into women. Not just

653
00:39:00,638 --> 00:39:06,198
bisexual women, but straight women who maybe bisectuational.

654
00:39:06,294 --> 00:39:10,054
Yeah. Bi, situational. They're all gonna go for you.

655
00:39:10,222 --> 00:39:14,166
You know what I mean? And I will always have that in your head.

656
00:39:14,238 --> 00:39:18,086
Overshadowed feeling. Man, you have to get over that, homie. Well, I. I've gotten

657
00:39:18,118 --> 00:39:21,222
better. Oh, you've gotten. I think you've gotten better. Way better. Because you are.

658
00:39:21,246 --> 00:39:25,102
Right. I mean, we've had recent, especially as

659
00:39:25,126 --> 00:39:29,678
of lately, where we know that the woman is bisexual

660
00:39:29,854 --> 00:39:33,326
and the couple is. Is cool and the woman

661
00:39:33,398 --> 00:39:36,606
has expressed interest in me, which just blows

662
00:39:36,638 --> 00:39:40,798
my mind because it's like, I don't have a vagina. I can't provide

663
00:39:40,854 --> 00:39:43,982
that for you. But my wife does. Yeah. So that's cool.

664
00:39:44,046 --> 00:39:48,270
Yeah. You know what I mean? It's nice. Yeah, it is nice. It's nice.

665
00:39:48,350 --> 00:39:52,292
It's the four way connection I get. You know, I get to have the

666
00:39:52,476 --> 00:39:55,940
yeah, absolutely. Both parties. Absolutely. Now,

667
00:39:55,980 --> 00:39:59,828
you know, we're. We're talking hypotheticals right now, because this is what we do.

668
00:39:59,884 --> 00:40:03,524
Are we? I've always wondered about your reaction,

669
00:40:03,572 --> 00:40:07,460
because your mind is intricate. You are not

670
00:40:07,580 --> 00:40:10,164
a normal person. Okay? Okay.

671
00:40:10,292 --> 00:40:13,876
You're a little bit. You're a little bit different, a little bit wacko. And your

672
00:40:13,948 --> 00:40:16,932
reactions are always just very, very different.

673
00:40:17,036 --> 00:40:19,700
And so I'm. I'm. I'm curious. I'm gonna set up a scene for you.

674
00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:23,508
Oh, goodness. Set up a scene. Okay. We're at

675
00:40:23,644 --> 00:40:26,740
the club, okay. Not any old club.

676
00:40:26,780 --> 00:40:29,620
This is not a 50 cent club. This is a sex club.

677
00:40:29,660 --> 00:40:33,172
Okay. All right. You and I go. And this is

678
00:40:33,196 --> 00:40:36,708
me here. You've known me. We've been together a long time. Yes.

679
00:40:36,804 --> 00:40:40,868
We know everything about each other. Yes. We go over there, we meet this

680
00:40:40,924 --> 00:40:44,760
couple. Right. We go to the back to go play with this couple.

681
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,472
The guy in the midst of all of

682
00:40:48,496 --> 00:40:54,040
us playing starts going down on me right

683
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,176
then and there. Starts going down on me. Now my eyes are closed.

684
00:40:57,208 --> 00:41:00,488
I'm not paying attention. You're seeing this. All I know

685
00:41:00,544 --> 00:41:03,420
is that somebody's going down on me. And it feels incredible.

686
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,152
What is your reaction? I would move him. Yeah. Yeah.

687
00:41:08,296 --> 00:41:11,804
Does he know you're straight? Yes. Yeah. And that it

688
00:41:11,812 --> 00:41:15,324
would end. Yeah. Everything would end. Yeah. Girl would leave,

689
00:41:15,372 --> 00:41:18,380
guy would leave, and. Like, that would be like. You would be like,

690
00:41:18,420 --> 00:41:21,548
hey, stop right there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

691
00:41:21,724 --> 00:41:25,420
Because that's a boundary cross. Boundary cross. You know, cross boundaries. Now,

692
00:41:25,460 --> 00:41:29,052
what if I stopped you and said, no, don't stop him? I would say,

693
00:41:29,076 --> 00:41:32,412
okay. Really? Yeah. If that's what you want. Yeah,

694
00:41:32,476 --> 00:41:36,082
yeah, yeah. And how would you process that? I'm curious.

695
00:41:36,196 --> 00:41:39,302
I probably because you and I, like. I said, I would be processing it there

696
00:41:39,326 --> 00:41:42,518
in the bed. We as. As really as we're doing everything,

697
00:41:42,574 --> 00:41:46,102
I probably from then on, I'd be faking it all, really be

698
00:41:46,126 --> 00:41:49,414
like, oh, my gosh, like, you did not talk to me about this. Yeah.

699
00:41:49,462 --> 00:41:52,902
What is up? Yeah. I mean, I'd be happy for you because you enjoyed yourself,

700
00:41:52,966 --> 00:41:56,102
but I would be like. I would already be in my head at the moment.

701
00:41:56,166 --> 00:41:59,414
I just. I've just always wondered what your reaction. Your reactions are

702
00:41:59,422 --> 00:42:03,312
very interesting in the moment. Yeah. Your reactions have always interest. I know.

703
00:42:03,416 --> 00:42:06,740
And so that is a hypothetical that. Yeah.

704
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,088
Wouldn't happen. But I've. I've always. I just curious about

705
00:42:11,144 --> 00:42:14,432
what your. Your reaction would be and something like that. And so that's. That's kind

706
00:42:14,456 --> 00:42:18,016
of interesting. Yeah. You're not really Good at. At like, you would process

707
00:42:18,088 --> 00:42:21,072
right then and there. So that's. I would process, right. I would be quiet about

708
00:42:21,096 --> 00:42:24,640
it, but yeah, I'd process it. I'd be like, I would have to fake every

709
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,192
orgasm from then on until we have a conversation, you and I.

710
00:42:28,296 --> 00:42:31,528
Yeah. That's a tough one. I asked the hard

711
00:42:31,584 --> 00:42:35,352
hitting questions. There you go. That's right. Yes. Hard hitting

712
00:42:35,416 --> 00:42:39,048
questions. Hey, you know, I am. I am full honest here.

713
00:42:39,104 --> 00:42:42,504
You know, it's one of those things where if I had those feelings,

714
00:42:42,552 --> 00:42:45,512
you would have known about them a long time ago. Yeah. I think we've been

715
00:42:45,536 --> 00:42:49,144
pretty open about each other and our fantasies and that sort of thing. So I

716
00:42:49,152 --> 00:42:51,860
don't think that would ever be something that would come up. But,

717
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,640
yeah, I. I have always found that. That kind of interesting.

718
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:59,538
Yeah. Now, does it bother you if the

719
00:42:59,594 --> 00:43:03,490
male is bisexual in a couple that we play with? Has it. Has that ever

720
00:43:03,530 --> 00:43:06,990
bothered you? It has, it has.

721
00:43:07,370 --> 00:43:09,590
It has bothered me. Okay.

722
00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:14,130
A long time ago. A long time ago. Yeah. The same person. No,

723
00:43:14,170 --> 00:43:19,394
no, no, no, no. It bothered me only

724
00:43:19,482 --> 00:43:23,948
because of the ignorance that I was raised in.

725
00:43:24,084 --> 00:43:27,372
Okay. That even though I was

726
00:43:27,396 --> 00:43:30,960
bisexual, that it was just an ignorance.

727
00:43:31,380 --> 00:43:35,480
But no, it doesn't. It doesn't bother me now. I don't. I care less.

728
00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:38,380
Yeah. If you're a bisexual male. Right.

729
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:41,660
Right now. No, but it did.

730
00:43:41,780 --> 00:43:46,000
It used to. It used to value it. Yeah. I remember

731
00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:49,932
when we first moved out here, there was a couple that we met

732
00:43:49,956 --> 00:43:53,222
up with. Yeah. And I remember it was one of the

733
00:43:53,246 --> 00:43:55,830
few times that we could go out because we had the kids at home.

734
00:43:55,870 --> 00:43:58,774
Yes. It was really hard to get out. It was my birthday. Yeah. It was

735
00:43:58,782 --> 00:44:02,470
hard to get out for. Even for a couple of hours. We went out there

736
00:44:02,590 --> 00:44:06,294
and we ended up like, eating all this food while this couple

737
00:44:06,342 --> 00:44:09,862
showed up and they were interested in us. It was right before

738
00:44:09,966 --> 00:44:13,782
COVID It was, right. Yeah. It was my birthday. Yeah. So we were hanging out

739
00:44:13,806 --> 00:44:17,584
with this couple and we were all talking. It seemed okay.

740
00:44:17,632 --> 00:44:21,712
I found her attractive and they seemed really nice. Yeah. And I

741
00:44:21,736 --> 00:44:25,408
remember when we were talking and you had asked, I don't

742
00:44:25,424 --> 00:44:29,100
know how it came up, but you realized that he was bisexual. And you asked,

743
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,456
you said, are you bisexual? And he said, yes. And immediately

744
00:44:33,488 --> 00:44:37,104
you stopped and you said, oh, well, so he's not. I just want

745
00:44:37,112 --> 00:44:39,620
to make sure that you know that. And he was like, no, that's cool.

746
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,046
And they were a sweet couple, but we never spoke to them again after that.

747
00:44:44,208 --> 00:44:47,986
And I felt like it was because he came out as bisexual.

748
00:44:48,018 --> 00:44:51,170
I. I didn't know if you had lost interest because of that.

749
00:44:51,290 --> 00:44:54,482
No, no, I didn't lose interest because of

750
00:44:54,506 --> 00:44:57,538
that. But they did reach out. Did that?

751
00:44:57,594 --> 00:45:01,330
Yeah, because he. She wanted him for you. She wanted you

752
00:45:01,370 --> 00:45:04,898
for him. Was I in that conversation? I don't know. I don't think so.

753
00:45:04,954 --> 00:45:07,826
If we're talking about the same couple. Yeah, she may have talked to you.

754
00:45:07,898 --> 00:45:11,010
Yeah, she reached out. Yeah. If I was in that conversation, I wasn't paying.

755
00:45:11,090 --> 00:45:14,514
Yeah, you probably weren't in that conversation, but that's what that.

756
00:45:14,682 --> 00:45:18,322
That's why that ended. Because I. Because I think I told him. I told

757
00:45:18,346 --> 00:45:21,330
her. I said, yeah, no, he's not interested. He's. He's straight.

758
00:45:21,490 --> 00:45:24,530
But, yeah, I just assumed that it fizzled out

759
00:45:24,570 --> 00:45:28,098
because of the. Because I asked him. Yeah, no, it was because.

760
00:45:28,154 --> 00:45:31,954
I mean, maybe he felt that way, but no, he. He wanted

761
00:45:32,002 --> 00:45:36,002
you. Oh, well, that's sweet. You see, that's another point

762
00:45:36,026 --> 00:45:39,746
where I'm like, oh, yeah, flattered. Yeah, he was. You know,

763
00:45:39,898 --> 00:45:43,258
especially from a guy like myself who, you know, I've never

764
00:45:43,314 --> 00:45:46,586
really felt wanted by people. So that moment

765
00:45:46,618 --> 00:45:49,790
that I feel wanted, I'm like, oh, they want the bear.

766
00:45:50,930 --> 00:45:52,830
You have got to stop calling,

767
00:45:53,570 --> 00:45:56,234
because we only figured out what that meant,

768
00:45:56,282 --> 00:45:59,338
like, years ago. No, not even that long ago.

769
00:45:59,394 --> 00:46:02,554
We had the wrong definition. Oh, did we? Yeah. Oh,

770
00:46:02,602 --> 00:46:05,546
you're going to have to explain that to me after this. Reread the messages,

771
00:46:05,658 --> 00:46:09,130
buddy. I will. Okay. I will look at it.

772
00:46:09,250 --> 00:46:12,470
Nice chat. GPT to summarize it for you.

773
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,888
Oh, my goodness. So, yeah. Yeah. So that I. I've. I've always

774
00:46:17,024 --> 00:46:20,328
wondered about that, because I remember that very specifically. Yeah. No,

775
00:46:20,384 --> 00:46:23,912
you've had a few. You've had a few encounters that I've had

776
00:46:23,936 --> 00:46:27,672
to say, no, he's straight. Yeah. Oh, okay. And you know what's funny is I

777
00:46:27,696 --> 00:46:30,664
just. A lot of times when we meet up with other couples, I'm kind of

778
00:46:30,672 --> 00:46:34,020
in and out of the conversation. I don't really pay attention to everything.

779
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,576
And so you, on the other hand, you pay attention to everything.

780
00:46:37,648 --> 00:46:39,860
You're not only paying attention because I'm better.

781
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,868
I'm better in person. You're better on messenger or text. So you've

782
00:46:44,884 --> 00:46:48,228
already gotten all your information, and I'm asking the questions again.

783
00:46:48,284 --> 00:46:51,220
Yeah. So. Yeah. So then you start finding stuff out, and I'm, like,

784
00:46:51,260 --> 00:46:54,628
not paying attention. Then we leave, and you're like, yeah, no. Yes.

785
00:46:54,724 --> 00:46:57,828
That this is what was taking place and this is what was said.

786
00:46:57,884 --> 00:47:01,360
I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah. I wasn't aware of that.

787
00:47:02,140 --> 00:47:05,380
So which sex do you think you

788
00:47:05,420 --> 00:47:09,140
prefer more over the other? Or do you prefer

789
00:47:09,220 --> 00:47:12,080
one more over the other? I do not. For. For sex.

790
00:47:12,610 --> 00:47:15,962
For sex. For sex. I don't prefer one over the other. Now,

791
00:47:15,986 --> 00:47:19,082
I know that you don't like dating, but say we were Polly and you were

792
00:47:19,106 --> 00:47:22,570
dating, Would you prefer one over the other? Women. Women over men?

793
00:47:22,610 --> 00:47:24,470
Over men? Why is that?

794
00:47:27,170 --> 00:47:30,590
I've never dated a woman. So if we were poly.

795
00:47:31,330 --> 00:47:34,186
Well, no, that's what I'm saying. If we're poly, I'd stick with women dating.

796
00:47:34,378 --> 00:47:38,212
I. I know. No, I wouldn't date men. Just my

797
00:47:38,236 --> 00:47:42,160
preference. I just wouldn't really. I mean, I have you and

798
00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:46,564
I'm making my male connection with you. Right. I want a female connection.

799
00:47:46,612 --> 00:47:50,212
If I'm in a poly, I'm gonna. You want something you can't have. Yeah.

800
00:47:50,276 --> 00:47:53,012
And so I. No, I wouldn't.

801
00:47:53,156 --> 00:47:56,680
Interesting. Yeah, that's interesting. And sexually,

802
00:47:58,140 --> 00:48:02,820
you what? I like em. Both. Okay. I like them both. They both get

803
00:48:02,940 --> 00:48:06,056
the job done different ways. Yeah, yeah,

804
00:48:06,088 --> 00:48:09,220
sure, I'm sure. Or sometimes the same way.

805
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,544
Now, have you ever been disappointed with another woman? Yes. Bad experience?

806
00:48:13,632 --> 00:48:17,592
Yes. Really? Yes, I have. It doesn't even matter that you prefer

807
00:48:17,656 --> 00:48:21,016
them. You can have bad experiences. You can have bad experiences no matter what.

808
00:48:21,088 --> 00:48:24,540
Really? Yeah. I've had. And what made this experience bad? I'm curious.

809
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,048
Well, she didn't follow directions, Right?

810
00:48:29,184 --> 00:48:32,082
Yeah. Or they just.

811
00:48:32,186 --> 00:48:35,298
They think that every. Yeah, every woman is the same.

812
00:48:35,354 --> 00:48:39,282
Just like almost. You know, when a man is you, thinks he's

813
00:48:39,346 --> 00:48:42,482
you, like his wife and it's like, nope, wrong hoe.

814
00:48:42,546 --> 00:48:46,610
We're not doing that. I'm a different person. I find it interesting because

815
00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:50,258
I know how you can have bad experiences with men. We've talked

816
00:48:50,274 --> 00:48:53,698
about it in past shows because not all of them can get

817
00:48:53,834 --> 00:48:57,112
hard or, you know, whatever the situation may be. But how

818
00:48:57,136 --> 00:49:00,726
does it work with women? How can they make. Which is funny because. What do

819
00:49:00,728 --> 00:49:04,152
you mean sane? Well, that means they don't have a right. Doesn't get hard.

820
00:49:04,176 --> 00:49:07,400
But I've had two women who have never been. Who have never been

821
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,980
with men and only women.

822
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,000
And they were horrible, really horrible in bed.

823
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,552
Interesting. Yeah, just. But what made them horrible?

824
00:49:18,616 --> 00:49:22,056
Well, one didn't know how to eat

825
00:49:22,088 --> 00:49:25,618
pussy. Like she was just licking

826
00:49:25,634 --> 00:49:28,850
me like she was licking a paw like a cat. Like it was

827
00:49:28,890 --> 00:49:32,670
not right. Really. Even though I would explain to her. No. The other one

828
00:49:33,050 --> 00:49:35,890
would me with her fingers and eat my.

829
00:49:36,010 --> 00:49:39,426
Like, like a teenage boy. Really?

830
00:49:39,578 --> 00:49:43,026
Like no experience. Huh. And even making out.

831
00:49:43,098 --> 00:49:45,842
She'd make out with me like she was a guy and had a dick.

832
00:49:45,986 --> 00:49:48,602
Really? You know, the whole grinding thing. Yeah, yeah.

833
00:49:48,786 --> 00:49:51,882
No. And those two women have never been

834
00:49:51,906 --> 00:49:55,754
with men. They were. I think they are called gold star lesbians

835
00:49:55,802 --> 00:49:59,850
or all star lesbians or. I think you said something about gold stars.

836
00:50:00,010 --> 00:50:03,402
You refer to Gold star. Yeah. So like they've never been with men.

837
00:50:03,506 --> 00:50:07,754
Wow. Wow. Yeah. So no, I've had bad experiences

838
00:50:07,802 --> 00:50:11,434
sexually and with men and females. Male and female.

839
00:50:11,562 --> 00:50:14,938
Wow, that's interesting. Now, between the two

840
00:50:14,994 --> 00:50:18,782
sexes, which would you say was more fun to kiss? Or is

841
00:50:18,806 --> 00:50:22,542
that just based on the person? Have you had bad kissers? It's based on the

842
00:50:22,566 --> 00:50:26,654
person, yeah. Really? Yeah. Really? Yeah. It's not even. How funny.

843
00:50:26,702 --> 00:50:31,486
It's not a gender thing. I haven't had too many bad kissers

844
00:50:31,678 --> 00:50:35,422
with women. Maybe small handful,

845
00:50:35,566 --> 00:50:38,606
if that. Yeah. For the most part, the women that I've kissed,

846
00:50:38,638 --> 00:50:41,806
I. I don't know. I've enjoyed it. Yeah, but you've

847
00:50:41,838 --> 00:50:45,870
had a lot of bad kissers. Yes, and men. But men

848
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:49,294
and female. Female too. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I did

849
00:50:49,302 --> 00:50:52,622
not know that. Bad kisser or bad kisser. I guess a bad kisser. I'm sure

850
00:50:52,646 --> 00:50:55,710
you would have bad kissers, males, if you

851
00:50:55,830 --> 00:50:59,534
probably. Yeah. Yeah. I find that interesting

852
00:50:59,662 --> 00:51:03,598
because I always wondered if. If it was a sex thing

853
00:51:03,654 --> 00:51:06,894
or if it was a person. It's a person thing. Really? Yeah.

854
00:51:07,022 --> 00:51:09,570
Wow. Yeah. Interesting.

855
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,144
I, you know, I. That's all news to me. Yeah,

856
00:51:14,192 --> 00:51:17,696
that's all news to me. But hey, you know, if it

857
00:51:17,768 --> 00:51:20,720
works for you, it works for you. You know, I. I know that there are

858
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,336
certain same sex things that you have not

859
00:51:24,408 --> 00:51:28,048
experienced. Yes. You haven't. Have you ever done scissoring?

860
00:51:28,224 --> 00:51:31,312
No. And it's not even really a thing. What do you mean it's not a

861
00:51:31,336 --> 00:51:34,816
thing lesbians do? Well, it's not. Because I've

862
00:51:34,848 --> 00:51:37,920
heard women talk about that like it's a thing. And then you see it's more

863
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,632
of. It's. I think it's called tribing or tripping or something. When they

864
00:51:41,656 --> 00:51:45,504
kind of like lay on top of each other and our clits

865
00:51:45,552 --> 00:51:48,272
are kind of rubbing together like that.

866
00:51:48,376 --> 00:51:51,472
Like that. Yeah, it's called. I think it's called she's rubbing her

867
00:51:51,496 --> 00:51:54,560
hands. I think it's called trimming. Anyway. But no,

868
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,320
scissoring is not even something that would. No, I've never

869
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,632
done it. You know, I remember there was a girl that I had dated

870
00:52:01,696 --> 00:52:04,944
when I was younger and she really

871
00:52:05,032 --> 00:52:08,916
seemed like a sex fiend. Like, she wanted

872
00:52:08,948 --> 00:52:12,612
it all the time. We would go at it often. Okay. And then we

873
00:52:12,636 --> 00:52:15,440
broke up. Well,

874
00:52:15,820 --> 00:52:19,620
afterwards, she became a

875
00:52:19,660 --> 00:52:23,012
lesbian. Now, this did something to

876
00:52:23,036 --> 00:52:26,740
my ego because I thought maybe I, I. It always does

877
00:52:26,780 --> 00:52:29,348
to men. Well, no, this was a long time ago. I was ignorant. I don't

878
00:52:29,364 --> 00:52:32,468
know. Okay. It wouldn't do that to me now. Okay. But back then, I mean,

879
00:52:32,524 --> 00:52:35,984
I was literally. I was young. Yeah. It was stupid, you know, And I

880
00:52:35,992 --> 00:52:39,456
remember feeling that. And I remember her and I stayed friends.

881
00:52:39,528 --> 00:52:42,640
I think you told me that. Yeah, we stayed friends. And I remember us

882
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,464
talking, because when we were together, there was. There was little hints,

883
00:52:46,512 --> 00:52:50,576
like she would talk about women in a sexual way.

884
00:52:50,648 --> 00:52:54,576
And, like, it turned her on. Back then, it was the American

885
00:52:54,648 --> 00:52:58,512
idol, the first season, and she was so

886
00:52:58,536 --> 00:53:01,870
in love with Kelly Clarkson. Like, she was turned on

887
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:06,126
by Kelly Clarkson and Shakira. Like, she was all about Shakira.

888
00:53:06,158 --> 00:53:08,690
And I remember thinking, huh, that's cute.

889
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:12,718
But then after we broke up, she went straight into women.

890
00:53:12,854 --> 00:53:15,982
And I remember thinking, huh, that's. That's interesting.

891
00:53:16,046 --> 00:53:19,502
Why would she all of a sudden do that after me? Yeah. Well, and then

892
00:53:19,526 --> 00:53:23,246
we would have conversations, and she was the one who told me about

893
00:53:23,318 --> 00:53:26,664
her experiences with scissoring. And I remember thinking,

894
00:53:26,712 --> 00:53:30,328
well, what's scissoring? And that's when she explained to me why you. You know

895
00:53:30,384 --> 00:53:33,672
the one. The women put their. Their legs kind

896
00:53:33,696 --> 00:53:37,080
of intertwined and they put their pussies against each other and they.

897
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,760
They grind against each other like two scissors. Yeah. And I was like,

898
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,408
oh, okay. And of course, you see it in porn, and it's like, oh,

899
00:53:44,424 --> 00:53:47,752
wow, that's really cool. But do you get anything out of it? I heard that

900
00:53:47,776 --> 00:53:51,352
you don't. I mean, I'm sure you could, but it's an

901
00:53:51,376 --> 00:53:54,722
uncomfortable position. Yeah. Yeah. So, no,

902
00:53:54,746 --> 00:53:58,674
I've never done that. That's interesting. No, I've done whatever

903
00:53:58,722 --> 00:54:01,090
the other one is called. Tripping.

904
00:54:01,170 --> 00:54:04,722
Tripping. It's called something I'm sure someone is

905
00:54:04,746 --> 00:54:08,530
going to correct us. Yeah. But, yeah, I've done that. You still haven't had

906
00:54:08,570 --> 00:54:12,434
your strap on experience? No, I want a strap on,

907
00:54:12,522 --> 00:54:15,314
and. I want a strap on. So you want to use a strap. On or

908
00:54:15,322 --> 00:54:18,668
you want somebody to use it? No, I want to use a strap on on

909
00:54:18,724 --> 00:54:22,520
somebody. Okay. I want that experience.

910
00:54:23,380 --> 00:54:26,252
Now, I have an interesting question for you.

911
00:54:26,356 --> 00:54:29,356
And. And maybe this can help wrap us up.

912
00:54:29,428 --> 00:54:34,268
Okay. As far as being dominated,

913
00:54:34,444 --> 00:54:37,804
now, I know that you don't like to be dominated by other men.

914
00:54:37,892 --> 00:54:40,924
No. You're only submissive to me. Yes.

915
00:54:41,052 --> 00:54:44,076
And so that's always been something that we've talked about.

916
00:54:44,148 --> 00:54:48,026
You know, sometimes you get these guys that come in and they like to consider

917
00:54:48,098 --> 00:54:51,642
themselves bulls. Yeah. And they'll really try and dominate you,

918
00:54:51,666 --> 00:54:55,114
and you. You have to kind of step back and go, hey, you don't

919
00:54:55,162 --> 00:54:58,618
do that with me. Yes. Are you good with being

920
00:54:58,674 --> 00:55:01,898
dominated by another woman? No. Really? No,

921
00:55:01,954 --> 00:55:05,990
I do not like to be dominated by another woman.

922
00:55:06,290 --> 00:55:09,630
Interesting. I enjoy the sensuality,

923
00:55:10,050 --> 00:55:13,802
the sensual touches with women. The Little Red Shoe Diaries,

924
00:55:13,946 --> 00:55:17,564
you know. Like, I want to be sensual with a woman.

925
00:55:17,732 --> 00:55:21,468
I do not want to be dominant. Now, I am usually the dominant one,

926
00:55:21,524 --> 00:55:24,652
but I'm usually, like, very nicely dominant.

927
00:55:24,716 --> 00:55:28,092
Like, maybe a little chokey here,

928
00:55:28,276 --> 00:55:31,708
a little nibble there, lay you on the bed,

929
00:55:31,724 --> 00:55:34,600
a little rough. But I'm not the.

930
00:55:35,300 --> 00:55:38,876
So you cannot be submissive to anybody. No,

931
00:55:39,028 --> 00:55:42,652
just you. Really? Yeah. I mean, I might

932
00:55:42,676 --> 00:55:46,092
be able to be a little submissive to women, but I don't know.

933
00:55:46,116 --> 00:55:49,384
It has to be the right woman. How about that? The right person has to

934
00:55:49,392 --> 00:55:52,648
be the right. Now, don't come at me all dominant, slapping my ass, because you're

935
00:55:52,664 --> 00:55:55,752
gonna trigger something. Yeah. Do you know? Yeah.

936
00:55:55,896 --> 00:55:59,288
So, no, I don't. I don't really care for the dominant type of woman.

937
00:55:59,344 --> 00:56:02,872
Like the heavy dominant. Yeah. And you don't care for a

938
00:56:02,896 --> 00:56:06,824
dominant male. No. But you like for me to dominate

939
00:56:06,872 --> 00:56:09,720
you. Yeah. Like earlier today.

940
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,560
Yes. Where you specifically asked me. I said, bring me that

941
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,988
machismones. Yeah. You asked. Only you. You asked

942
00:56:17,044 --> 00:56:19,916
for it. So you wanted me to be a little rough with you. Yeah.

943
00:56:20,028 --> 00:56:23,436
And you wanted me to. To. To handle you in a certain way,

944
00:56:23,508 --> 00:56:27,068
and that got you off. But how come you can't do that with anybody else?

945
00:56:27,164 --> 00:56:30,684
I trust you. Yeah. Maybe if it's. Maybe. Maybe if there's a

946
00:56:30,692 --> 00:56:33,500
trusting guy, then. Yeah. But. Nah,

947
00:56:33,660 --> 00:56:37,404
don't. Don't come at me like that. Interesting. Yeah. Well, you know how some women

948
00:56:37,492 --> 00:56:41,292
want to be. Want to be the dominant one with their men because

949
00:56:41,476 --> 00:56:44,832
they're like, I don't. He. He wants me

950
00:56:44,856 --> 00:56:48,400
to be a little rougher with him or. Or whatever. Yeah, I get that.

951
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,568
Because I want that with you, but I don't want it with anybody else.

952
00:56:51,664 --> 00:56:55,152
Okay. You know, it's just a thing. But you let

953
00:56:55,176 --> 00:56:58,880
me be dominant with you sometimes. Sometimes, yeah. Yeah. You know, but I.

954
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,848
I think for me, the most part, I. I am a switch.

955
00:57:03,024 --> 00:57:06,464
I like aggressive women. Yeah. Not too aggressive. I don't.

956
00:57:06,512 --> 00:57:10,064
I don't want them to be mean to me. Yeah. But I do like a

957
00:57:10,152 --> 00:57:13,682
woman to be slightly aggressive because it almost shows that how

958
00:57:13,706 --> 00:57:17,378
much they want me. Yeah, it's animalistic. It's kind of hot, you know?

959
00:57:17,514 --> 00:57:21,266
And so I can. I can be dominated

960
00:57:21,298 --> 00:57:24,738
a little bit by a woman, but I can also dominate a woman. Yes.

961
00:57:24,834 --> 00:57:27,938
So I was just talking to somebody about that. I could be a switch with

962
00:57:27,994 --> 00:57:31,474
you. Yeah. But I don't think I could be a switch with

963
00:57:31,562 --> 00:57:34,930
anybody else. Really? Yeah. Like, I mean,

964
00:57:34,970 --> 00:57:38,360
I. I guess I could try, but I don't. I doubt it.

965
00:57:38,530 --> 00:57:42,092
Really not. I absolutely doubt it. You know,

966
00:57:42,116 --> 00:57:45,308
I mean, you're a fighter. You're a fighter and a biter. I guess that's

967
00:57:45,324 --> 00:57:48,572
the way it goes. Fighter and a bit. How do you like that? I just

968
00:57:48,596 --> 00:57:51,644
came up with that. That's a good one. Thank you. I gave you gold.

969
00:57:51,812 --> 00:57:55,260
Well, you know, that. That really wraps us up today. I can tell

970
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:59,084
you that. We are just tickled pink that you guys are joining

971
00:57:59,132 --> 00:58:02,588
us every week. I know that a lot of you

972
00:58:02,644 --> 00:58:06,060
are really just tuning in religiously. We appreciate that.

973
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:09,840
We. We appreciate you sitting at our table and joining our discussions,

974
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,360
and we hope that we get to see you next week.

975
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,168
Yeah. So you guys have a great week, and we'll

976
00:58:17,184 --> 00:58:18,144
see you next week.